Just for curiosity I switched my ID generator from Sequence to
SeqHiLo. Calling session.IsDirty() now doesn't execute a select
statement for the ID anymore (which is expected with SeqHiLo), but it
still queues the insert statement.
Then I even implemented my own IIdentifierGenerator which just returns
an increasing number in Generate(), and IsDirty() STILL queues the
wrong insert statement!

What's the reason for this?

I highly doubt that this behaviour is as designed. Because, in
addition to the problem with not null or check constraints and the
inconsistent behaviour I explained in my first post, this even results
in the following behaviour, that is clearly a bug in NHibernate in my
opinion (please tell me if I'm wrong):

Use-case:
1. Persistent Parent is loaded.
2. A new Child is added to the collection.
3. session.IsDirty() is called (UI checks, if it should enable the
save button).
4. NHibernate queues an insert statement for the Child using its
current (default) values.
5. User deletes the just created Child again (it is removed from the
collection in the Parent).
6. User saves the changes, session.Flush() is called.

Now NHibernate does the following:
1. The queued insert statement for the new Child is executed (let's
ignore the not null constraint for now).
2. Parent version column is updated.
3. The child (which shouldn't be in the DB) is commited. The next load
of the Parent will return the Child which shouldn't be there.

I'd really appreciate any advice on this topic - or a NHibernate
bugfix ;-)


On 7 Okt., 15:49, John Davidson <jwdavid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You probably need to do an id check yourself first, before the IsDirty.
>
> John Davidson
>
> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:32 AM, cremor <cre...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > Sadly, a different ID generator is no option for me. My application is
> > not the only one accessing the DB and the other systems rely on these
> > sequences.
>
> > What is the reason for getting an ID and flushing the Child when
> > checking IsDirty()? Shouldn't it be enough for NHibernate that the ID
> > of the Child has an unsaved-value?
>
> > On 7 Okt., 12:56, John Davidson <jwdavid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The use of sequence is similar to identity in that the db generates the
> > id
> > > stored rather than the other id generators which create the id within
> > > NHibernate. For your problem the issue identified in jira NH-2136 is the
> > > same.
>
> > > The solution is to use an NHibernate created id from hi-lo or guid based
> > > generators.
>
> > > John Davidson
>
> > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:09 AM, cremor <cre...@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > I currently have the problem that NHibernate creates an insert
> > > > statement for new items in a collection of a persistent entity when
> > > > calling session.IsDirty().
>
> > > > My configuration:
> > > > * NHibernate 3.0.0.Alpha3
> > > > * An entity "Parent" with a collection of "Child" entities. One-to-
> > > > many side is mapped as set, inverse, lazy and cascade all-delete-
> > > > orphan. Many-to-one side is mapped as lazy.
> > > > * All IDs are using the sequence generator.
> > > > * Optimistic lock is by version column.
> > > > * Session.FlushMode is Never.
>
> > > > My use-case:
> > > > 1. Persistent Parent (already containing some Child entities) is
> > > > loaded.
> > > > 2. A new Child is added to the collection.
> > > > 3. session.IsDirty() is called (UI checks, if it should enable the
> > > > save button).
> > > > 4. NHibernate executes a select statement for the ID of the new Child
> > > > and queues an insert statement for the Child using its current
> > > > (default) values. (Problem starts here: Why is it needed to get the ID
> > > > of the new Child and queue an insert statement?)
> > > > 4a. (Optional step) Some more new Childs are added. No more select
> > > > statements are executed or insert statements are queued when calling
> > > > session.IsDirty() because IsDirty() returns early because it knows it
> > > > already has queued statements (very inconsistent behaviour in my
> > > > opinion!)
> > > > 5. User has to change a property of the Child to get rid of UI
> > > > validation errors (a property is not allowed to be empty, but is by
> > > > default to force the user to input something meaningful).
> > > > 6. User saves the changes, session.Flush() is called.
>
> > > > Now NHibernate does the following:
> > > > 1. Select statements for the new IDs of additional Childs from step 4a
> > > > are executed.
> > > > 2. The queued insert statement for the first new Child is executed.
> > > > This statement uses the default values of the class and fails with an
> > > > not null constraint error.
> > > > 3. (If I disable the not null check in the DB) Parent version column
> > > > is updated.
> > > > 4. Additional childs from step 4a are inserted (with the already
> > > > changed properties, so these statements are ok).
> > > > 5. The first new Child is updated with the changed property.
>
> > > > I found the following Jira issue which already describes the problem,
> > > > but it was rejected because it's "Expected behavior using identity":
> > > >http://216.121.112.228/browse/NH-2136
> > > > But I'm using sequence, not identity, and still have the same problem.
>
> > > > Does anyone know if this is a bug at my side, a bug in NHibernate or
> > > > just "by design" like for identiy IDs?
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