Hello Leonid,

Your solution (FNLETA=0 in the $EST statement) works very well:

The EBEs for the random study effects (ETA9) make now sense: all IDs of the 
same study has the same estimated ETA9 value. 

Many thanks for your help 

Best regards,

Thomas Dumortier
Director Pharmacometrics 
Novartis Pharma AG
Postfach
CH-4002 Basel
SWITZERLAND

Phone   +41 61 3240946
Fax     +41 61 3241246
thomas.dumort...@novartis.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonid Gibiansky <lgibian...@quantpharm.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 10:56 PM
To: Dumortier, Thomas <thomas.dumort...@novartis.com>; nmusers@globomaxnm.com
Subject: Re: [NMusers] NONMEM Unexpected result with the $LEVEL statement

You need to use FNLETA=0 option.
Thanks
Leonid


On 8/13/2019 4:39 PM, Dumortier, Thomas wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I would like to model inter-study variability on the of the 
> inter-subject variability  with NONMEM 74
> 
> A subject belongs to a study, therefore those two random effects are 
> nested
> 
> Following the instruction, I code  as below, where ETA8 is at the 
> subject level and ETA9 is at the study (STUD) level.
> 
> $INPUT      ID STUD TIME TIM2 TAD NT CMT EVID MDV BLOQ AMT DOSE RATE 
> LIDV=DV LNDV WT0 TRT1S TRT2S PAS0
> 
> ...
> 
> $PK
> 
> ...
> 
>      TVF1 = THETA(8) + ETA(8) + ETA(9)
> 
>      F1  = (EXP(TVF1)/(1+EXP(TVF1)))
> 
> ...
> 
> $LEVEL STUD=(9[8])
> 
> The fit with NONMEM 743 (fortran compliler) seems correct and the 
> estimates for the variance (OMEGA) of ETA8 and for ETA9 are provided.
> 
> But when looking at the ETA9 values (the empirical bayes estimates), I 
> notice that
> 
> (1)Different subjects of the same study have different ETA9 values, 
> while I would expect that all subjects of a study have same ETA9 value
> 
> (2)The ETA9 value is proportional to the ETA8 value (ie, plotting ETA8 
> versus ETA9 from all subjects of all studiers results in all points on 
> the same diagonal line)
> 
> Am I coding incorrectly ?
> 
> Any help would be more than welcome
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Thomas Dumortier
> 
> *Thomas Dumortier*
> 
> Director Pharmacometrics
> 
> Novartis Pharma AG
> 
> Postfach
> 
> CH-4002 Basel
> 
> SWITZERLAND
> 
> Phone   +41 61 3240946
> 
> Fax         +41 61 3241246
> 
> thomas.dumort...@novartis.com <mailto:thomas.dumort...@novartis.com>__
> 

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