Hi Hraban, > On 19 Mar 2024, at 21:56, Hraban Ramm <te...@fiee.net> wrote: > > Thank you Willi! > > Generally I know for what binding correction is used, I just never tried to > set it up. If I look carefully at one of our printed booklets, the printshop > also didn’t. So I'd need pageshift without applying imposition (setting it up > wouldn’t hurt).
I organise this always with correction to the backspace. > > I didn’t think about vertical pageshift, but of course that’s also needed for > cross-folded sheets. > > I'm not sure how (horizontal) pageshift is supposed to work with full page > images without introducing white borders, but bleed at the inner edge should > be enough. > > Theoretically the shift value should be the same as the paper thickness > (don’t you think?), but there’s some deformation involved, so a factor might > make sense? I think that this would be quite cumbersome, paper thickness of higly coated papers vs. novel-printing paper… I believe one would have to establish this thickness for each project unless the same paper is used... > Unfortunately I threw out my old books on printing technology long ago, and > my newer one doesn’t cover bookbinding (I’m not at home anyway). I think, that many printshops do not possess neither old books including bookbinding nor do they care about the wishes of the binder … Pity, that you threw them out, but i understand, that circumstances might be such that you have to take decisions… Willi > > Hraban > > Am 19.03.24 um 17:01 schrieb Willi Egger: >> Hi Hraban, >> >> I think we should clarify this. >> >> Binding correction is a fixed amount of whitespace in the spine added to the >> inner white-space. This is to ensure, that the binding, which is consuming >> white-space, keeps the inner white-space optically as intended.. >> >> The page shift mechanism works only with imposition enabled. This ensures, >> that the type-setting area does not creep towards the spine because multiple >> sheets of paper are folded in the spine. >> >> I doubt whether it is enough to have the measure of the thickness do >> determine this creeping effect, because we are making folds which are >> probably more circles than just adding thickness of paper. >> >> >> Willi >> >>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 17:35, Hraban Ramm <te...@fiee.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 17.03.24 um 23:54 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: >>>> Hraban Ramm schrieb am 17.03.2024 um 22:48: >>>>> Hi, this question was rised in my ConTeXt beginners workshop* at Chemnitz >>>>> Linux Days today: >>>>> >>>>> Can I configure binding correction for saddle-stitched or thread-bound >>>>> booklets, and if, does it only work with arranging (imposition) or can I >>>>> enable it somehow for the layout (if the printshop does the imposition)? >>>> 1. \definepageshift + \setuppageshift >>>> >>>> 2. \setuplayout[horoffset=<DIMENSION>] >>>> >>>>> Also I recognized I'm not sure about the difference of the layout >>>>> parameters backspace and cutspace. >>>> backspace is the inner margin and cutspace the outer >>>> >>> Hi Wolfgang, thank you! Seems like I was too dense to understand the >>> description for the \setuplayout parameters in the wiki (and there are more >>> that I never used, oh my…), and since I never use ConTeXt’s imposition for >>> serious print products (and never set up a scheme myself), I didn’t know >>> about pageshift. >>> >>> Ok, if I leave imposition to the printshop and they don't do binding >>> correction in their workflow, I'd need to set horoffset differently for >>> every single page (i.e. first, second, second-to-last and last the same; >>> 3th, 4th and from back the same etc.). Or is pageshift applied >>> independently from arranging? >>> >>> And then, it makes no sense to add the same value all the time. I don’t >>> know if BCOR works this way in LaTeX, but one value (paper thickness) >>> should be enough in combination with an imposition schema. I.e. if I define >>> a paper thickness and the number of pages that are in one booklet (as a >>> single booklet or part of a "proper" book), then the page shift should work >>> automatically. >>> >>> Well, for a single booklet, it could. In a book, booklets can have >>> different numbers of pages, and then you'd need to define a list… Okay, too >>> complicated. It’s the printshops's responsibility anyway, and nobody >>> complained about my books so far. (I'm not perfectionist enough to care.) >>> >>> Hraban >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >>> the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >>> https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl >>> webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) >>> archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context >>> wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl >> webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) >> archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context >> wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) > archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context > wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________
