I didn't say _I_ believed them. :-) 

I think all of these are gonna get hit this month. Already script kiddies on 
twitter showing they've figured it out...

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From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:42 PM
To: ntsysadm
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Oh, this one really hurts...

Close to zero? Any bets on when this year someone publishes a PoC?

Kurt

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> wrote:
> Win10 (and Server 1709) patch is out: 
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056892/windows-10-update-kb4056892
>
> Note that it only installs if the A/V vender has updated their engine! (Or 
> you are using Windows Defender.)
>
> There are 3 bugs according to Google. AMD is vulnerable to only one of them 
> and AMD says that the chances of that bug being hit are close to zero.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] 
> On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 PM
> To: ntsysadm
> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Oh, this one really hurts...
>
> No, it's not trivial. And I have to believe it's going to be cloud
> providers who are hardest hit, initially.
>
> First, MSFT is releasing a patch for Win10 today:
> https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16846784/microsoft-processor-bug-windows-10-fix
>
> Second, it's not just Intel - it seems to also affect AMD and ARM64:
> https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-responds-to-security-research-findings/
>
> But AMD says it's not vulnerable:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/12/27/2
>
> And, now it's *two* bugs, not just one:
> https://meltdownattack.com/
>
> And lastly, these flaws, along with this:
> https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor
>
> make me more leery than ever of cloud services...
>
> Kurt
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Mark Gottschalk <mgo...@2roads.com> wrote:
>> "...The effects are still being benchmarked, however we're looking at a
>> ballpark figure of five to 30 per cent slow down, depending on the task and
>> the processor model..."
>>
>> PostgreSQL: 10%-23% slowdown.
>>
>> Wow. That is not trivial.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com>
>> To:        ntsysadm <NTSysADM@lists.myitforum.com>, Patch Management Mailing
>> List <patchmanagem...@listserv.patchmanagement.org>
>> Date:        01/02/2018 06:59 PM
>> Subject:        [NTSysADM] Oh, this one really hurts...
>> Sent by:        <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> "A fundamental design flaw in Intel's processor chips has forced a
>> significant redesign of the Linux and Windows kernels to defang the
>> chip-level security bug."
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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