Understood.   Everyone is going to present what they have experienced, and
the OP has to shift through all that to come to some conclusion that works
for him.

It's possible that time, location, and VAR differences can change the
picture.   (We've all had experiences with some product or service that are
very different from other people)



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 Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership


2009/10/9 Mayo, Bill <[email protected]>

>  Our original purchase was back in late 2002.  Not only did they negotiate
> then, they flat out beat the competition (who was, to put it lightly,
> stunned).  Furthermore, the overall solution was far more robust than anyone
> else offered.  I can only speak to my personal experience, of course, and it
> is not my intention to belittle any other solution.
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 2:07 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: NAS/SAN
>
> EMC is definitely top notch, but you can get better value elsewhere without
> sacrificing performance or reliability.
>
> It has only been recently that they have been willing to negotiate on
> price.  We went away from them at two of my employers because of that
> inflexibility, and we have never regretted it.
>
> -*ASB*: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, John Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  +1 on the EMC, stellar reliability although there was a steep learning
>> curve on the fiber management side. ISCI is definitly easier IMHO.
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership For Strong Families
>> Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From*: Mayo, Bill
>> *To*: NT System Admin Issues
>> *Sent*: Fri Oct 09 13:30:58 2009
>> *Subject*: RE: NAS/SAN
>>
>> +1
>>
>> My semi-sarcastic thought when I read the quote below (ask what they think
>> about StoneFly) was that the answer would be, "Who?"  EMC, in particular,
>> are in the big leagues.  I've never heard any other vendor say that their
>> hardware wasn't up to snuff.  The knocks are generally "too expensive" and
>> "too complicated".  As someone has mentioned before (in regards to the
>> rebranded Dell versions), EMC will negotiate on price.  As for the "too
>> complicated", if you can't figure out how to use it, you probably don't need
>> to be administering the SAN anyway.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that when you are putting all your storage eggs in
>> one basket, you want to be sure that the hardware is reliable and that the
>> support is top notch.  In my experience, that is definitely the case with
>> EMC.
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 12:39 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: NAS/SAN
>>
>>   Ive never even heard of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rene de Haas [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 9:07 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: NAS/SAN
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe ask the other guys (Lefthand, Dell, ...) what they think about
>> StoneFly.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:01 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> They all like to point out the deficiencies of their competitors. Just
>> tell him to focus on his products values and get a demo or at least a
>> walk-through.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"John Aldrich" <[email protected]>
>>
>> *Date: *Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:56:01 -0400
>>
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]>
>>
>> *Subject: *RE: NAS/SAN
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks. That sort of talk made me suspicious that he was blowing smoke,
>> but it seems like a good product, nonetheless, and if it comes in cheaper
>> than th  Ô ťbig boy  Ç I may go with that, especially since ASB
>> recommends  Çśem. J
>>
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>>
>> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 11:52 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: NAS/SAN
>>
>>
>>
>> That sounds like nonsense to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you looked into Dell/EMCs CX4-120? Its the entry level CX unit that
>> provides both fiber channel and iscsi connectivity via "UltraFlex I/O
>> Modules". It supports 4GB/s and 8GB/s Fiber Channel and 1 GB/s and 10GB/s
>> iSCSI.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:39 AM, John Aldrich <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I just got off the phone with a StoneFly sales engineer  ŽHe had some
>> interesting things to say about EMC/Dell/Equallogic/NetApp and LSI. I need
>> some fact-checking from people who know more than I about this sort of
>> thin  ÇŽ he said that those are   ťdum  Ç ISCSI devices that c  Ô Öt handle
>> a lot of connections at once and that I ought to buy their product because
>> that hardware can handle a lot more connections and a lot higher throughput
>> than the competition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Was he just blowing smoke up my rear or is that stuff true?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
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