Re: [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left becuase of yell

Mon, 02 Dec 2013 11:19:43 -0800

Can't agree with Annie more.  I have never seen specs as how many feet away is the line.  What might be too close for one is not for another.  For those out there that are really bent out of shape get together and define what the standard should be.  Is it 75 feet, 100 feet, 150 feet?  Does it vary by species as hawks will flush if you so much as stop a car 200 feet away from them along a road or into a driveway where you are going.  Then one you have an agreed upon standard get on a web-site and market it so the rest of the people have access to it.  Most people want to do the right thing. There are exceptions.

Greg
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From: John Cancalosi
Sent: Dec 2, 2013 1:03 PM
To: "McIntyre, Annie (LI)"
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left becuase of yell

As a lowly photographer ,(not the one in question), I am grateful for yet another reminder that I, and those like me, are inextricably wallowing in a Stygian morass of moral terpitude, while those of a higher calling look down in righteuos judgement upon our nefarious activities, with both of their feet firmly planted on the immutable, lofty pinnacles of moral high ground.    


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, McIntyre, Annie (LI) <annie.mcint...@parks.ny.gov> wrote:

Folks let’s not do this AGAIN. Photogs vs birders… we’ve all seen offenders on both sides. It’s a pleasure reading this list to hear about the birds that are around, but not so much the squabbles. Better done in private conversation.

 

Good birding!

Annie McIntyre

 

From: bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Lake, Thomas R
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:38 AM
To: Meena Madhav Haribal; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE:[nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left becuase of yell

 

 

 "If the photographer was approaching very cautiously and did not make the owl scared of him then he has not done anything wrong except he has approached closer."

 

Buy better optics! Getting closer is NEVER the answer.

 

Tom Lake

From: bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Meena Madhav Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:49 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left becuase of yell

Hello all,

Bob Adamo wrote this and I have highlighted his reactions!

 

Subject: 1 Snowy, + 1 terrible photographer = 1 stressed bird + 1 call to the cops !
 From: robert adamo <radamo4...@gmail.com>
 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:42:29 -0500
 X-Message-Number: 13

  " I stopped, got out of my car, and yelled to
 him to stop, that what he was doing was against the law. He heard me and
 dismissed me. I then took his license plate #, and called the police. I
 called out to him again, he listened to all I said, and proceeded to move
 closer to the bird, after telling me "there are no signs saying I can't ".
 While I was still on the phone, the snowy took off, heading west. The
 police said they were responding, and armed with the plate # and
 description of the idiot's SUV, they might catch up to him !

 

 

 

I felt I must say something here. If the photographer was approaching very cautiously and did not make the owl scared of him then he has not done anything wrong except he has approached closer. Sometimes animals can tolerate non-scary humans and permit them to go close enough. So it is better to observe photographers behavior and the animal's reaction before being officious and call police. All you know the bird must have got disturbed by your (Bob Adamo's) yelling at him and all the following activities as probably the owl perceived it as two encounters approaching him/her.

 

I have observed birders, including those who call themselves as experts  do all sort of things, for example, chasing a tired migratory bird till they have had satisfied look. Oh! They seem to have right because they are birders and not photographers. So birders have right to do whatever they feel is right even though the birds may be stressed for example by continuously playing playbacks (Oh boy! how many of those I have seen). I have had amazing experiences when I have approached the birds or animals very cautiously and slowly in a non-threatening way. They even have kind of responded to me in a positive way.  So by being closer if you are not threatening the subjects of your interest then there is nothing wrong as long as you know when and where to stop.

 

The knee-jerk reaction of being closer equals threatening birds is a wrong notion. So be careful of your own reactions.  And also have patience to observe the behavior of the photographers before you decide to take any actions! So best thing is if someone is photographing a bird is to leave the location ASAP for the photographer to get a good photo as he has approached the bird before you have!

 

 

Meena

PS: I am not a bird photographer, though occasionally I shoot birds but mostly insect photographer where the insects have let me approach them as close as a centimeter and still they have not flown away and shown amazing behaviors!

 

Meena Haribal

Ithaca NY 14850

 

 

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