I'm also confused by terminology here.

Specific process instance can be in memory doing some work, or in the
database.
Specific process instance can be suspended (not processing events even if
they arrived)/resumed.
Process definition can be deployed or not.
Deployed process definition can be used to instantiate new processes or not.

What would be the best way to name those?

Assaf

On 8/17/06, Lance Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Okay - I understand the use case. I'm not sure logically I see the
difference between having a process loaded into memory in a suspended
state
vs not loaded into memory. Does loading a process into memory in a
suspended
state by default and then allow the IL to "start"/"resume" the process
accomplish the same thing as startAll()? The terms may be getting in the
way
here.

Lance

On 8/17/06, Maciej Szefler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lance,
>
> Yes, that makes sense; but there is a caveat. The activate() method
> potentially does two things:
> 1. Update the state of the process in the DB to be "active".
> 2. Instantiate the process in memory.
>
> Certainly (1) belongs in the PMAPI as you suggest. (2) is more
> complicated: it depends on (1) and also on the integration layer
> deciding that it wants the process started. For example, in JBI we don't
> actually want to instantiate the process in memory until the service
> unit life cycle method start() is called.
>
> What I would propose is:
> * create a suspend() / resume() method on the process management API
> that would control the process state in the DB.
> * remove activate/deactivate methods on the BpelServer.
> * add startAll(), startProcess(QName pid), and startDeploymentUnit(File
> du) to BpelServer as well as corresponding stop...() methods for use by
> the Integration Layer. startProcess(..) would load the given process in
> memory (so long as it is not suspended). startDeploymentUnit(..) would
> call startProcess(..) for all processes in the deployment unit.
> startAll() would call startDeploymentUnit(..) for all known deployment
> units.
>
> -maciej
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 22:17 -0600, Lance Waterman wrote:
> > So if I understand correctly this is a start/stop for the process
> > definition and are process definition lifecycle operations.
> >
> > What do you think about moving these operations to the
> > ProcessManagement interface and renaming to "suspend"/"resume" (
> > following the precedence on the InstanceManagement interface)?
> >
> > Lance
>
>




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