Thanks Anita, will definitely do as you kindly suggested :) On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 12:04 PM Anita Kuno <ante...@anteaya.info> wrote:
> On 2018-09-18 08:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2018-09-18 11:26:57 +0900 (+0900), Ghanshyam Mann wrote: > > [...] > >> I can understand that IRC cannot be used in China which is very > >> painful and mostly it is used weChat. > > [...] > > > > I have yet to hear anyone provide first-hand confirmation that > > access to Freenode's IRC servers is explicitly blocked by the > > mainland Chinese government. There has been a lot of speculation > > that the usual draconian corporate firewall policies (surprise, the > > rest of the World gets to struggle with those too, it's not just a > > problem in China) are blocking a variety of messaging protocols from > > workplace networks and the people who encounter this can't tell the > > difference because they're already accustomed to much of their other > > communications being blocked at the border. I too have heard from > > someone who's heard from someone that "IRC can't be used in China" > > but the concrete reasons why continue to be missing from these > > discussions. > > > > I'll reply to this email arbitrarily in order to comply with Zhipeng > Huang's wishes that the conversation concerned with understanding the > actual obstacles to communication takes place on the mailing list. I do > hope I am posting to the correct thread. > > In response to part of your comment on the patch at > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602697/ which you posted about 5 hours > ago you said "@Anita you are absolutely right it is only me stuck my > head out speaks itself the problem I stated in the patch. Many of the > community tools that we are comfortable with are not that accessible to > a broader ecosystem. And please assured that I meant I refer the patch > to the Chinese community, as Leong also did on the ML, to try to bring > them over to join the convo." and I would like to reply. > > I would like to say that I am honoured by your generosity. Thank you. > Now, when the Chinese community consumes the patch, as well as the > conversation in the comments, please encourage folks to ask for > clarification if any descriptions or phrases don't make sense to them. > One of the best ways of ensuring clear communication is to start off > slowly and take the time to ask what the other side means. It can seem > tedious and a waste of time, but I have found it to be very educational > and helpful in understanding how the other person perceives the > situation. It also helps me to understand how I am creating obstacles in > ways that I talk. > > Taking time to clarify helps me to adjust how I am speaking so that my > meaning is more likely to be understood by the group to which I am > trying to offer my perspective. I do appreciate that many people are > trying to avoid embarrassment, but I have never found any way to > understand people in a culture that is not the one I group up in, other > than embarrassing myself and working through it. Usually I find the > group I am wanting to understand is more than willing to rescue me from > my embarrassment and support me in my learning. In a strange way, the > embarrassment is kind of helpful in order to create understanding > between myself and those people I am trying to understand. > > Thank you, Anita > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >
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