where's my money ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIm-riMN6Q&feature=fvw
ahaks... so long as no one goes to the extreme ;-) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com > wrote: > i like azrul's proposition: > 1. increase the salary to rm5000 per month per developer (basic pay jr > programmer pun dah rm1500 per month - tak masuk epf contribution, allowance, > leave, office space, administrative cost). kalau ikut std multiplier it > should be rm5000 x 2.5 = rm12,500 > 2. prototype development within 3 months onsite everyday at a designated > lab. kalau masih tak caya boleh pasang cctv ;-) > > azrul is right as well. it's late. will blog a guide for the icon grant > application after i submitted the application later in the week. > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Najah <khairunna...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Preeseed? Been there, done that... cuma takde rezeki. Planning to submit >> again, with diffrent project. >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Azrul Hasni MADISA < >> azrulha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I had enough and its late. Hopefully some investors are interested in my >>> project. But here's a brief reason why did not apply for grants. (Now this >>> is my personal opinion, you guys might not have the same requirement as me) >>> >>> 1) SKMM (MCMC), E-content, any content related grant >>> - Not really for software development. I personally know someone whose >>> game project was rejected under e-content because game is considered >>> software dev. >>> >>> 2) Preseed (MDEC) >>> - They limit RM 1500 per developer per month. Rm 1500??? jual burger tepi >>> jalan pun dapat banyak dari tu. Who wants to work for you for RM 1500?. >>> Kalau ada pun, memang yang dah carik kerja merata tapi tak dapat (and malas >>> pulak tu nak jual burger) . So keje la dapat Rm 1500. Code quality pon cam >>> hampeh nyiok. Unit test pun tak tau buat. >>> >>> - Business plan. This is preseed for God sake. The proposal should be on >>> 1 (read one... you know, satu) page. There should not be a business plan. >>> Business plan is when you want to apply for seed funding. After all, >>> technology moves so fast these days and so global, that your business plan >>> would be relevant for only a few weeks at best. >>> >>> - 30+ freakin' pages to fill in. If this is a 2 million grant than that >>> is probably ok, but this is preseed. Anything beyond 1 page is just fluff at >>> best and total malicious lies at worst. >>> >>> - No funding for marketing or any sort of advertisement. >>> >>> - No continuation. What should you do once the fund has run out? Sell >>> your software? wait a minute, you can't use your grant money for >>> marketing... bummer :( . That's why many preseed companies are now stuck. >>> >>> 3) Cradle Investment Fund >>> - Long winded web form to fill in (web form? gosh, the best tech. for >>> forms is PDF. Here's a bunch of them... free of charge. See, Adobe's >>> business plan out the window already. They probably didn't deserve preseed >>> grants.[ >>> http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/pdf-editing-creation-50-open-sourcefree-alternatives-to-adobe-acrobat/ >>> ]) >>> >>> - Again you have to supply a business plan that will be obsolete once you >>> finish writing them >>> >>> + Supply you with a mentor (a really good deal) >>> >>> * No mention of limit on developer salary >>> >>> * No mention of continuation >>> >>> 5) MGS, DAGS, Technofund >>> >>> For established companies only. >>> >>> 6) Iconity (MDEC) >>> >>> Still new, form pun cannot be downloaded yet but it looks just as bad >>> (still this RM 1500 per developer per month deal ... why is MDeC is sooo >>> fixated on that, I have no idea - on similar note, if that is how much MDeC >>> values software developers then screw grants, we have a bigger problem at >>> our hand) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> All and all, here's why I would say. Please MDeC, please don't let us >>> jump through hoops and make us write long winded expired-in-2-weeks business >>> plan anymore. This is preeseed. We are not asking millions. (Heck, most of >>> us would gladly settle for a RM 50 k ). I think a simple proposal would do. >>> >>> Now MDeC would need a mechanism to filter out the bad from the good, >>> here's my suggestion. Any proposal must finish a prototype in 3 months. Yes >>> 3 months. Anyone asking more than that then ask them to create a long winded >>> proposal, the usual drill, but give a green lane to anyone who is dedicated >>> enough to do stuff in 3 months. You see, if a buddy and myself want to >>> build, oh, say, a new CRM system, if we work everyday on it, 3 months is >>> enough. Our salary oh, say RM 5000 each, that's RM 10k per month. Times 3 >>> that is just RM 30,000. We use RM 10, 000 for to purchase dev machines. >>> Maybe RM 5000 for hosting and another RM 5000 for small time marketing. We >>> do not need an office. MDeC's lab (open source, jtrend and ntdc ... which >>> is right now soooo under used) can be our temporary office. See, just RM 50k >>> . Now if we fail, you lost RM 50 k. No biggie. If we succeed, then >>> continuation grant, say RM 150 k , and RM 500 k after that should be >>> guaranteed. >>> >>> >>> Its late so if my rants are a bot inconsistent, maafkan saya >>> >>> Again, I'm just writing to express my personal gut wrenching feeling, not >>> to belittle anyone. Certainly not MDeC or Cradle. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Azrul >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < >>> bizkut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Saya tak percaya kalau FOSS komuniti tak dapat dana macam orang ni >>>> dapat. 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