hahaha... bos faham lah perangai saya up the irons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ajYlwzOEM&feature=related
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini < jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote: > wah wah.. > dah melayan youtube saje malam ni tuan.. > hehe :) > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < > rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> whoaa... i just found out if you paste a youtube link to google chat, you >> can view the video on google chat..... >> >> cool..... >> >> what else can we embed in google chat ? >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < >> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> sorry wrong clip >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7gCd-C-Tys&feature=related >>> >>> // wrong state of mind as well >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < >>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> where's my money ? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIm-riMN6Q&feature=fvw >>>> >>>> ahaks... so long as no one goes to the extreme ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah < >>>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i like azrul's proposition: >>>>> 1. increase the salary to rm5000 per month per developer (basic pay jr >>>>> programmer pun dah rm1500 per month - tak masuk epf contribution, >>>>> allowance, >>>>> leave, office space, administrative cost). kalau ikut std multiplier it >>>>> should be rm5000 x 2.5 = rm12,500 >>>>> 2. prototype development within 3 months onsite everyday at a >>>>> designated lab. kalau masih tak caya boleh pasang cctv ;-) >>>>> >>>>> azrul is right as well. it's late. will blog a guide for the icon grant >>>>> application after i submitted the application later in the week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Najah <khairunna...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Preeseed? Been there, done that... cuma takde rezeki. Planning to >>>>>> submit again, with diffrent project. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Azrul Hasni MADISA < >>>>>> azrulha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I had enough and its late. Hopefully some investors are interested in >>>>>>> my project. But here's a brief reason why did not apply for grants. >>>>>>> (Now >>>>>>> this is my personal opinion, you guys might not have the same >>>>>>> requirement as >>>>>>> me) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) SKMM (MCMC), E-content, any content related grant >>>>>>> - Not really for software development. I personally know someone >>>>>>> whose game project was rejected under e-content because game is >>>>>>> considered >>>>>>> software dev. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Preseed (MDEC) >>>>>>> - They limit RM 1500 per developer per month. Rm 1500??? jual burger >>>>>>> tepi jalan pun dapat banyak dari tu. Who wants to work for you for RM >>>>>>> 1500?. Kalau ada pun, memang yang dah carik kerja merata tapi tak dapat >>>>>>> (and >>>>>>> malas pulak tu nak jual burger) . So keje la dapat Rm 1500. Code >>>>>>> quality pon >>>>>>> cam hampeh nyiok. Unit test pun tak tau buat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Business plan. This is preseed for God sake. The proposal should be >>>>>>> on 1 (read one... you know, satu) page. There should not be a business >>>>>>> plan. >>>>>>> Business plan is when you want to apply for seed funding. After all, >>>>>>> technology moves so fast these days and so global, that your business >>>>>>> plan >>>>>>> would be relevant for only a few weeks at best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - 30+ freakin' pages to fill in. If this is a 2 million grant than >>>>>>> that is probably ok, but this is preseed. Anything beyond 1 page is just >>>>>>> fluff at best and total malicious lies at worst. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - No funding for marketing or any sort of advertisement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - No continuation. What should you do once the fund has run out? Sell >>>>>>> your software? wait a minute, you can't use your grant money for >>>>>>> marketing... bummer :( . That's why many preseed companies are now >>>>>>> stuck. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) Cradle Investment Fund >>>>>>> - Long winded web form to fill in (web form? gosh, the best tech. for >>>>>>> forms is PDF. Here's a bunch of them... free of charge. See, Adobe's >>>>>>> business plan out the window already. They probably didn't deserve >>>>>>> preseed >>>>>>> grants.[ >>>>>>> http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/pdf-editing-creation-50-open-sourcefree-alternatives-to-adobe-acrobat/ >>>>>>> ]) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Again you have to supply a business plan that will be obsolete once >>>>>>> you finish writing them >>>>>>> >>>>>>> + Supply you with a mentor (a really good deal) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * No mention of limit on developer salary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * No mention of continuation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5) MGS, DAGS, Technofund >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For established companies only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6) Iconity (MDEC) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still new, form pun cannot be downloaded yet but it looks just as bad >>>>>>> (still this RM 1500 per developer per month deal ... why is MDeC is >>>>>>> sooo >>>>>>> fixated on that, I have no idea - on similar note, if that is how much >>>>>>> MDeC >>>>>>> values software developers then screw grants, we have a bigger problem >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> our hand) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All and all, here's why I would say. Please MDeC, please don't let us >>>>>>> jump through hoops and make us write long winded expired-in-2-weeks >>>>>>> business >>>>>>> plan anymore. This is preeseed. We are not asking millions. (Heck, >>>>>>> most of >>>>>>> us would gladly settle for a RM 50 k ). I think a simple proposal would >>>>>>> do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now MDeC would need a mechanism to filter out the bad from the good, >>>>>>> here's my suggestion. Any proposal must finish a prototype in 3 months. >>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>> 3 months. Anyone asking more than that then ask them to create a long >>>>>>> winded >>>>>>> proposal, the usual drill, but give a green lane to anyone who is >>>>>>> dedicated >>>>>>> enough to do stuff in 3 months. You see, if a buddy and myself want to >>>>>>> build, oh, say, a new CRM system, if we work everyday on it, 3 months is >>>>>>> enough. Our salary oh, say RM 5000 each, that's RM 10k per month. Times >>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>> that is just RM 30,000. We use RM 10, 000 for to purchase dev machines. >>>>>>> Maybe RM 5000 for hosting and another RM 5000 for small time marketing. >>>>>>> We >>>>>>> do not need an office. MDeC's lab (open source, jtrend and ntdc ... >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> is right now soooo under used) can be our temporary office. See, just >>>>>>> RM 50k >>>>>>> . Now if we fail, you lost RM 50 k. No biggie. If we succeed, then >>>>>>> continuation grant, say RM 150 k , and RM 500 k after that should be >>>>>>> guaranteed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its late so if my rants are a bot inconsistent, maafkan saya >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, I'm just writing to express my personal gut wrenching feeling, >>>>>>> not to belittle anyone. Certainly not MDeC or Cradle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Azrul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < >>>>>>> bizkut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saya tak percaya kalau FOSS komuniti tak dapat dana macam orang ni >>>>>>>> dapat. 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