Re: [osdcmy-public] PHP vs Python

[Marcus]

There was a point in time in the windows community that Basic becomes Visual Basic and was the most popular language for developing desktop apps on win32. However the inherent ugliness of the language and how OOP was forced to it so that it could stay alive was like a Frankeinstien on steroids. That "ugliness" however reaches its climax when MS decided enough is enough and  came out with C#. (ok maybe it was Java that fueled the decision...) Of course, frankeinstein still lives on and will do so for many years as well as grand examples of apps written in VB that lurks in download.com. PHP? Its just waiting for the "replacement" to come, there is only so much u can hack into what in inherently...ugly. ->  hiding in caves Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: maybe this thread should really be python vs perl vs java ? but php is still the top language for web cms : http://www.packtpub.com/article/open-source-cms-award-previous-winners open source cms awards : 2009 wordpress - php modx - php silverstripe - php 2008 drupal - php joomla - php dotnetnuke - vb.net 2007 drupal - php joomla - php cms made simple - php 2006 drupal - php joomla - php plone - python looking at the new cms modx and silverstripe (from nz - the land of sheep) shows that php is alive and kicking i guess the python community still has some way to go to understand what people really want hehehehe ..... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:39 PM, sweemeng ng <swees...@gmail.com> wrote: becareful with that, PHP is still huge in web based development. facebook still using php for example. it just gone mainstream, therefore lack the buzz, imho On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Marcus Low <mar...@python.my> wrote: Python vs PHP? U must be kidding me. In Windows terminology that is like : current C# vs early 2000 ASP scripts. One is flexible and general and growing exponentially, the other is niche and barely going anywhere except whats its started for. Marcus. Boh Yap wrote: hi, PHP... I don't use it, so can't say.. Python: runs on more platforms than Java!  (Symbian/mobiles all the way to Cray supercomputers) Wide application range, not just web-programming, can do systems programming, network programming, write server apps, entreprise apps, even low level hacking Is readable, I don't look at my code later and say "..what the h... was I trying to do here?". Also means you need less docs. Multi paradigm, I don't have to do OOP if I don't want to. Can code it in procedural style (C...), functional, etc... Excellent tools for working with a wide range of databases, and very transparent to switch. Wide range of libraries and frameworks, e.g. Python has >30 web frameworks!? Easy to learn, relatively experianced programmers can be writing real production code in 2-3 weeks. (Eric Raymond learnt it in a few hrs. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882!). Read this artcl, probably one of the best I've come across in support of Python form a real hacker! Python fits your brain! Its relatively compact, I can write Python code w/o having to refer to a manual all the time. Translating from concepts/ideas to algorithms to code is frictionless, the language doesn't get in the way... All that leads to programmer productivity, I do more with Python, with less time, and often far less code. Its a modern language, supporting all whizbang features you may (never) need. Its got closures, continuations, generators.... and its got very good introspection. There's even a version (Stackless Python) that will allow for high-concurrency. Even w/o the above, Python scales well... Zope, the grand -daddy of Python frameworks is entreprise class and has many such apps. So are many of the frameworks, Django was initially developed for a large online newspaper.. Twisted a framework that is event-based rather than thread-based, can also handle heavy loads. Its lightweight, I can run multiple Python servers on a low end machine, it doesn't chew up a lot of resources. Scaling: Stackless Python allows 1,000's of micro-threads on a normal single CPU, and an efficient message passing mechanism.. and its being used for a successful graphics intensive MPOG, multi-player online game, supporting 3,000+ simultaneous users. (www.eveonline.com) ...I better stop here... ;-) and lastly, Python programmers are always happy.... (see attached image) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:06 PM, CL Chow <klrkdek...@gmail.com> wrote:   Directly to php no, but i did contribute in some framework development ;) Regards, CL Chow "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/" On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:01 PM, nuhaa <cawan.nu...@gmail.com> wrote:     thanks alot for feedback - keep it coming please forgot to note previously - contributions will be properly credited in the report :) i myself have always been a php developer - i;ve seen python here and there and yea i like that it's readable and can do more than just web app has anyone contributed back to php / python here? thx Nuhaa All Bakry / cawanpink http://cawanpink.net http://fosschix.my On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Hasan Abu Bakar <ha...@kelate.com.my> wrote:       I believe you are not looking for general benchmark? Aren't you? because there are tonnes of benchmark or research already done by bloggers http://www.google.com.my/search?q=php+vs+python+benchmark btw, as my personal preference and research - speed python saves a lot time to write codes than php, less bloated classes, in term of my "speed". - scalability for web frameworks, Django+nginx+uwsgi+SQLite only consumes about 5MB RAM but symfony+nginx+fcgi+SQLite eats up to 50MB! and I did do a test on a machine with 32MB RAM and 266Mhz cpu, Django works just well. - syntax for sure python is cleaner and easier to understand. Less "syntax error" when you missed a semicolon etc... But it's a pain if you have bad indentation habit. - choice of language you do know when you should use php or python for your projects. I am always use php for a simple web development and python for a simple console or daemon application. - programmer         It seems that it is harder to find a Python programmer then a PHP programmer in Msia.             It's true and it's sometimes not a big problem. Just like a people who can speak several languages or cannot. Sometimes it's necessary to know several languages when you meet people who can't speak you language. So come on, learn your third language! But the problem is the eager to learn new languages. Just like a people who learned VB 15 years ago, still using VB because he believes VB can do _anything_ and he don't want to waste his time by learning new languages, therefore he can spend more time with family and friends. But I believe writing an application in Python or PHP sometimes take _much_ less time than VB and you can get more family and friends. Your call. The most debating topic is python vs ruby btw. Python FTW! Hasanuddin Abu Bakar ------------------------------- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC5A1B11965D43C5C On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:         my team does php. because that's what the majority of our target market uses and wants. second to that and rising fast is _javascript_. but as sweemeng points out, python is an attractive language and perhaps an easier option compared to java for us to go into web, desktop and mobile platforms. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Adzmely Mansor <adzm...@gmail.com> wrote:           update version of my previous link: http://wiki.w4py.org/python-vs-php.html On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Adzmely Mansor <adzm...@gmail.com> wrote:             http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonVsPhp On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:23 AM, nuhaa <cawan.nu...@gmail.com> wrote:               hola guys, php vs python? yeapp this going to be interesting php and python hardcores pls put in ur input - we're interested to see how the battle goes muahahahahaha OSCC is doing a benchmark on those 2 .. things we're looking at: - scalability - namespace - speed - syntax - .. put ur input here .. of course we're not looking for winner here, only to weigh the pros n cons for both languages if you have references, please kindly provide ;) thx Nuhaa All Bakry / cawanpink http://cawanpink.net http://fosschix.my -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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