I have Crashplan, and live in inner city Sydney. I'm unable to even get my daily, incremental, Windows Home Server backups of my clients backed up to Crashplan's servers each day, due to the limited upload speed I get on aging copper in this area.
The problem I see with FTTN is that it's yesterday's technology. Something that can't simply be "upgraded" to FTTP. Everyone else in the rest of the world that's embarking on rolling out a brand new network (whether it's Singapore or Google) is doing FTTP. Imagine how cr*p our lives would have been if we built our current copper network to be a "node" based system, where everyone in a 100m radius all had walk down to a central point to get DSL, or make a phone call. Sounds pretty ridiculous doesn't it? Or if our water supply was built that way, with a communal tap for a group of houses (sure, it works in mostly 3rd world countries, but I doubt it's as convenient as what we have today) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2013 3:16 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition You don't need fast to backup to the cloud. Crashplan have a good way of doing trickle backups. (ans there are other similar solutions). If you wanted to put your whole backups (ie acronis backups) in the cloud then sure that would take ages and need a fast uplink. My current cable internet is fine for me. I'd like a faster uplink for sure but nbn seems like a one day someday thing. Some big company with loads of money and a passion for wiring up Australia overnight would be awesome.... Hey I can dream. On 05/11/2013 12:06 PM, "Joseph Cooney" <joseph.coo...@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.coo...@gmail.com>> wrote: I would have thought if it was worth it to you to have that fast internet then you'd pay for it, and if it wasn't worth it then you wouldn't. That's how markets usually work. On 5 Nov 2013 14:01, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com<mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>> wrote: To keep it simple, I can look at a single function and see what it would be like under an NBN. Backups for disaster recovery. I currently backup to a NAS within my environment. The backup of a server usually takes between 20 minutes and 1 hour, over my internal 1Gbps network. I have Telstra Cable, which is 100Mbps download speed and 2Mbps upload speed. If I want to backup offsite to ensure I don't succumb to risks such as fire, my current backup will take roughly 500 times as long to backup to the cloud, and I currently have one of the fastest connections you can get outside of the NBN. Will I go and fork out a few grand to backup for the extra fibre to the node? The answer is no. I have better things to spend my capital on. Yet if I had a fast enough internet upload speed, I could backup all my servers to the cloud within a practical timeframe. Economies of scale would bring down the price of storage due to the volume of people that would be backing up to the cloud. And it wouldn't just be business, either. An average person might want to set up backups from their home computers to the cloud as well. During the backup process, virus detection could identify people who had viruses and root kits on their machines during the backup process and alert them straight away. This would significantly reduce the amount of viruses getting around as well. Just a thought bubble. But, oh, no, there are no good reasons to have high speed internet are there. Secondly, the entire purpose of the NBN was to replace the degrading and antiquated copper wires. If there is an agreement that the copper wires need replacing, and the Liberals obviously believe they don't need replacing, then the question is, what do we replace it with. The answer is, that whatever we replace it with, we may as well get a decent speed out of it at the same time. If the Liberals want to keep their copper, well good on them. But I don't know why the rest of us should have to suffer from their ignorance and short sightedness. Only around 45% of the population voted for the Liberal Coalition (meaning the Liberals, the Nationals, The Liberal National Party and the Country Liberals). The other 55% voted for other parties that either had a different opinion or no opinion on the NBN, and the difference on the two party preferred vote is less than 4%. So no, I don't think the election was a petition at all. If 4 out of 100 people vote for a different government at the next election, we would change governments again. The way the politicians are behaving, perhaps we could get lucky. We got rid of Rudd and Gillard at the last election, perhaps we could get rid of Abbott at the next one. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Grant Maw Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2013 2:20 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: NBN Petition (petition == the will of the people) == rubbish. Obviously :) On 5 November 2013 13:10, Grant Maw <grant....@gmail.com<mailto:grant....@gmail.com>> wrote: "I find your version of democracy very entertaining." Well the only alternative that I can see is getting people to vote on every single issue. Is that what you are advocating? Petitions are, in general, useless, unless you have an alternative petition for people NOT in favour of the proposal, AND you can get them to participate. Petition == the will of the people == rubbish.
