Hold on. My interpretation of the document is that HFC areas won’t be getting the NBN at all. Zilch. Zero. They will be getting a small undocumented upgrade to their HFC but that’s it.
I looked for secondary information on whether my interpretation was right, and found this: http://delimiter.com.au/2013/12/12/nbn-co-abandons-fttn-rollout-hfc-areas/ Of course, the conspiracy theorists amongst us might think that they don’t want to have any competition for Rupert Murdoch’s cable network; cable would be completely isolated from the NBN and thereby guarantee another 17 years of Foxtel. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 8:49 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition I’m guessing we’ll all lose ADSL once the “NBN” (sic) comes to your HFC area. Copper will be retained to go to nodes in FTTN areas, but the other exchanges will be decommissioned. As for HFC – it was designed as a “multicast” broadcast network for video – not as a general purpose broadband network. I’m sceptical that we can add millions of new premises to HFC, and actually get any sort of decent speeds. Particularly with uploads. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 5:29 PM To: Greg Low; ozDotNet Subject: Re: NBN Petition Greg, I'm in the process of setting up adsl2+ on a street with cable because its for business. I'd rather their new DOT service but the exchange doesn't have that and looks like we'll never get nbn if cable is on the street. So I'm going with ADSL with the promise that down the track I can go to nbn (modem supports fibre?) but with this crap about cable areas never getting nbn I'm stuffed. Total bs. Can you give me more info on cable for business (100mb)? Sent from Windows Mail From: Greg Low <mailto:g...@greglow.com> Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 2:10 PM To: ozDotNet <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> It’s not even an issue of whether or not the cable goes down your street. It goes down our street and we had to go to extraordinary lengths to get them to connect to our unit as it wasn’t the first one off the street. Unit 3 behind us was unable to get cable at all. The Telstra guy that hooked us up lives further up the street. He’s the one that agreed to connect us. He also told us that there were limited numbers of cable ports in the street, and we’d just taken the last one. Mind you, I’ve also spent ages talking to Telstra about why you could only have a 30meg connection under a business name but you can change to the Ultimate plan (100meg) if it’s a residential account. After an eternity discussing it with them (which mostly related to them having two internal systems and the second one not being intended for business), I finally got on to an accounting guy that told me that everything I’d been told to that point was nonsense as he’d set up lots of business accounts in the new system. He said he’d just arrange to have it migrated to the new system, and when that’s done, the 100meg service would then be available. I hope he’s right. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 5:02 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: NBN Petition It looks like Renai Lemay, publisher of delimeter.com.au, seen as a major proponent of the Liberal version of the NBN has come out with a scathing rejection of the new NBN http://delimiter.com.au/2013/12/12/please-accept-apologies-wrong-turnbull/ One of the biggest issues is that anyone that is currently in a cable area will not get access to the NBN. Full stop. That means if Optus and Telstra went down one street and skipped your street, then because you’re in the cable “block”, you don’t get it. http://delimiter.com.au/2013/12/12/nbn-co-abandons-fttn-rollout-hfc-areas/ No competition to cable? Rupert gets his way after all. It also means I don’t get NBN – and I’m only 150 metres away from the NBN. I was told before the election that I would be able to connect if I paid $3000. Not true now. T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Cooney Sent: Friday, 13 December 2013 9:00 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition You're lucky to have a telecommunications infrastructure economics analyst in the family to advise you on these matters. On Dec 13, 2013 7:57 AM, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com <mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com> > wrote: It’s actually worse than that Ken. My brother has just gone through the strategic review and done a like for like comparison. To make the two reviews comparable, he applied the same contingency to FTTP that Malcolm’s review applied to FTTN (10% instead of 20%.) There is no justification for different contingency levels, given that there is no FTTN experience as yet. In fact, for the same reason, FTTN should have a higher contingency and not the other way round. Doing that, the cost of FTTP drops to $58 billion dollars. Secondly, he took the HFC serviced premises out for a true like for like comparison. This dropped the FTTP price by around $15 to $20 billion. $58 billion - $15 billion = $43 billion. Or, roughly the cost of the FTTN! It seems strange, does it not, that a direct comparison was not made? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2013 9:19 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition That’s in the Strategic Review (as a scenario on page 100). How will that 1gbps be delivered? By replacing everything with FTTP. Apparently the cost of that will be $4bn (in NPV terms) than doing it right now. Every upgrade scenario on that page calls for replacing substantial chunks of the current proposal with new stuff. Effectively meaning most of what Turnbull’s proposing today will simply be temporary. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2013 5:36 PM To: g...@greglow.com <mailto:g...@greglow.com> ; 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: NBN Petition Come on, Malcolm has promised you 1Gbps by 2030, what more could you want? (Meanwhile, my bro’ should be enjoying his 1Gbps early next year, unless they decide to crush that delivery for political reasons.) From: GregAtGregLowDotCom [mailto:g...@greglow.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2013 5:14 PM To: 'Tony Wright'; 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: NBN Petition I love the idea of the country building infrastructure. It’s the speed of public projects here that concerns me. For example, we’ve been talking about high-speed rail for how long? China started planning in the early 1990’s and by 2015 looks like they will have completed 18,000 km of high-speed rail. We’re talking about a project (Brisbane to Melbourne via Sydney and Canberra) of what? About 1700km ? And first train to run in the 2060’s? Clearly we have a different situation to them but is that really the best we can do? Have it finished in time to probably made obsolete by some other technology? I’ve travelled on quite a few high-speed rail systems but it’s hard to imagine that many of them were planned 60 or so years ago. Mind you, it would still beat the Redcliffe rail link in Brisbane. At least the current QLD govt has let a project that should see it being complete in 2016. Given it was first gazetted in QLD parliament in 1895 (no typo there), that’s been quite a project. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913> fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: Tony Wright [mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2013 5:01 PM To: 'ozDotNet'; GregAtGregLowDotCom Subject: RE: NBN Petition Of course, I’m interested in why they are so interested in building non-productive infrastructure, such as roads, that we spend, maybe 1 hour a day on, yet we often spend 8+ hours of our time, many of them productive (for some of us, anyway), on computers, yet they won’t invest in a productive venture. One makes a profit for the country and is in need of an upgrade (NBN/Internet). The other is generally good enough and throwing more money at it isn’t going to give us much of a return and certainly not foreign money (Roads). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2013 4:51 PM To: g...@greglow.com <mailto:g...@greglow.com> ; ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2013 4:38 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: NBN Petition If you were trying to run a commercial business based on rolling out an NBN, where would you start? Would it really be the back of Ballarat and Tamworth or would you roll it out in high-density areas in Sydney/Melbourne that are already screaming for it? A political or public service might do the former when they are spending other peoples’ money. A business would do the latter. I guess it would depend on a lot of things. I’m not an expert on rolling out telecoms infrastructure, but I guess I’d need to ensure that I had good information and processes first, so starting in less complex areas might make sense. Secondly, I guess it isn’t cheap cabling older apartment blocks in inner-city Sydney – they were built in the 1920s through 1970s, and probably have no Ethernet cabling in the building. The cost of retrofitting these buildings even just for HFC has meant that the majority aren’t connected. If I was also mandated to cover everyone in the country, then I’d be covering all the new greenfields sites, so that they aren’t reworked. >From what I understand, it isn’t just sites in Tamworth that are being >covered, but some in metropolitan areas as well. I guess, if this was a commercial operation, it would be done differently. But I don’t know the whole picture (and I doubt you do either). And as I said before, we may have to accept some compromises. If each one of us had our own caveats on providing our support for this project based on implementation details, nothing would be done. You’re insisting on more commercial savvy, and the next person will insist that the priority should be those people who don’t have access to any comparable technology (i.e. all those on RIMs and pair-gain and whatnot that can’t get ADSL2/ADSL today) Cheers Ken
