something else that looks like it would be helpful in p533 is ENGINE::MVC..
it provides an MVC engine along the lines of OpenFrame but much simpler.. details at http://use.perl.org/~malte/journal/ I was also thinking of putting together a diagram / chart of different possible architectures suitable for an enterprise web application.. stuff like Tangram / Pixie / Class::DBI providing object persistance engines like OpenFrame and ENGINE::MVC powering the core of the application server that kind of stuff any suggestions ?? A.