I share your disappointment.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:11 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes. I was really looking forward to that in iOS 10. That was the feature I 
> most wanted as a matter of fact. And then it turned out to be useless. Really 
> disappointing, especially for Apple TV.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:01 AM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
>> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
>> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
>> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
>> Over on the other. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
>> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
>> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
>> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
>> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
>> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
>> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
>> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
>> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
>> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
>> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
>> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
>> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B&W is that DLNA isn't as good as
>> AirPlay.
>>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
>> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>>>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
>> select either.
>>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
>>>> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
>> ago?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
>>>>> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>>>>> least it
>>>>> is still there.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control 
>>>>>>> center, it
>>>>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>>>>> you not mentioned it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> **********
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>>>>>> outlooks
>>>>> are the solution.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, 
>>>>>>>> although you
>>>>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>>>>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>>>>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with 
>>>>> other music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were 
>>>>> using an iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. 
>>>>> Double tap on that, and you will see all the choices of whatever 
>>>>> other airplay and able audio devices you have. This is true for the 
>>>>> Amazon music app and the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in 
>>>>> general, although those are the only two I tried. Frankly, I like 
>>>>> the option of having the air play control it within the app. That's 
>>>>> how it used to be before they moved
>>>> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>>>>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers 
>>>>> to include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of 
>>>>> the app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>>>>>>>>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>>>>>>>>> which I
>>>>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>>>>> to any other compatible device.
>>>>>>>>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the 
>>>>>>>>> Music App,
>>>>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, 
>>>>> a little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I 
>>>>> can still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it 
>>>>> has to be
>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> **********
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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