Hi, You're perfectly right. Grin Brian
-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 19. oktober 2016 14:54 Til: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Emne: Re: SV: iPhone 7 disappointing audio...? Nothing at all wrong with being satisfied with the audio of Apple products, we've all got to start somewhere and "You don't miss what you ain't heard" <smile>. On 19/10/2016 10:58 PM, Brian Olesen wrote: > Hi, > Well to be honest I'm quite satisfied with the audio of Apple products. > Not that it's super hifi delity, but it's reasonable for my 46 years > old musician's ears. Grin I prefer to use Bluetooth over the build in dac as > I happen to have the new bose Quiet Comford 35. > But can't comment on the iPhone 7 adaptor dac as I haven't tried it yet. > > By the way I'd also like to try some deesent Android stuff Asus make > some pretty Zenbooks that looks bloddy nice though with their SonicMaster > sound and all that jazz. > , and I believe it's a prejudice thing about Android not being as accessible > as iOS. > Things happens very fast these days, and what was true a week ago can easely > has changed. > By the way I take serious notice of Google's statement earlier this year > about their dedication to accessibility,so I'm certain that things will > evolve pretty rapidly in this field, and then give us access to many more > cool devices with interesting audio. > > Best regards > Brian > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane > Trethowan > Sendt: 18. oktober 2016 23:21 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Emne: Re: iPhone 7 disappointing audio...? > > Yes, understood. > > I "Broke Out" so to speak and I won't go into reasons as to why here as this > really isn't the place for that sort of thing. > > Suffice to say that there are plenty of good Android Apps out there > and > - whilst possibly not the names you know of under IOS - they're in the main > very accessible. > > I know a few people who are on this list who - like me - are on some Android > lists so - when you're ready - feel free to join and at least take part in > the discussion so your feet are warmed <smile>. > > > > On 19/10/2016 8:13 AM, John Gurd wrote: >> I considered getting that modular LG phone for the DAC attachment. I've >> never owned an Android device and I got cold feet as to the effort I'd have >> to put into getting to grips with it. You can get into a comfort zone with >> IOS devices that is hard to break. And I think some of my apps may not be so >> accessible or even available on the Android platform. But part of me would >> love to break out of that walled garden called Apple (smiles). >> >> John >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: 18 October 2016 20:57 >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 disappointing audio...? >> >> No, nothing to do with JBL, B&O make a DAC for the Lg phone I mentioned. >> >> I also mentioned that - being a modula phone - various modules could be >> attached, the B&W DAC being a case in point so - when I think about it >> <smile> - its quite possible that JBL might make a speaker of some kind for >> that phone. >> >> I'm not in a hurry to buy the B&W P9 either but - already having P7's and >> naturally curious to see what the P9's sound like in comparison. >> >> Of more immediate interest to me in the B&W line is the B&W P7 wireless. >> >> >> >> On 19/10/2016 6:49 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> I think the extra attachment you can get for that LG phone is a JBL speaker >>> of some kind. Not sure about any sort of extra DAC. I will also be very >>> curious what you think of the P9, although it is frankly out of my price >>> range. I don't care how good it is, there must be limits. Smile. I went >>> from an iPhone 6s to a 7+, so I have a size difference in my phone, which >>> might make for some of the differences in sound between the two. The 7+ is >>> certainly louder than the 6S, and I do think it sounds better. The stereo >>> image of course is a joke. I have a Nexus six android device for >>> comparison. The iPhone sounds better. The stereo image if you want to call >>> it that, on the Nexus is actually better, probably because the speakers >>> both face the same direction. But the Nexus is so incredibly lacking in >>> bass, that they might as well not have bothered with the stereo at all. The >>> single iPhone speaker in my 6S sounded better than the Nexus with its dual >>> stereo speakers. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A most interesting read! >>>> >>>> I've always been impressed with the internal speakers on Apple iPhone >>>> though - like you - I've never taken them seriously for music listening >>>> but for speech and Voiceover the internal iPhone speaker is superb. >>>> >>>> Now I have an iPhone 6 because of my Arcam DAC - the same as yours - and I >>>> had an iPhone 6S at one time. >>>> >>>> I think - could be wrong - that the quality of the iPhone 6 speaker isn't >>>> quite as good as that of the 6S but none the less iits an improvement on >>>> the 5S and so its gone on right up through the iPhone series so I'm not at >>>> all surprised to hear that the speakers of the iPhone 7 sound good, that's >>>> the only thing that's tempting me to go out and buy an iPhone 7. >>>> >>>> I'm not at all surprised to at your comments regarding the Lightning Dock >>>> to 3.5MM jack converter but - as Apple have never ever provided high >>>> quality Earbuds with their iPhones anyway - its therefore not surprising >>>> that Apple didn't provide a high quality DAC but - having said that - I >>>> think Apple should have stated this and perhaps sold a higher quality >>>> converter - say for a couple of hundred dollars - so the user would at >>>> least have the choice of an upgrade. >>>> >>>> LG does this with one of their phones, its a modular phone - can't >>>> remember the name of it - but the user has the choice of using what's >>>> available or buying other options to enhance the quality of audio, photos >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> I have a set of Philips cans here that plug straight into a Lightning >>>> connector so - if and when I get a chance - I'm looking forward to >>>> connecting these to an iPhone 7 and doing some comparisons with that cheap >>>> nasty lightning to 3.5MM jack converter <smile>. >>>> >>>> I like you have a pair of P7's, love the things and - may as well tell you >>>> now - I'm off to listen to the B&W P9's shortly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 19/10/2016 6:17 AM, John Gurd wrote: >>>>> I got an iPhone 7 a few days ago and had it away with me on a >>>>> weekend break with limited opportunities to play with it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, on this list there s always someone who wants to know what >>>>> the phone speaker sounds like. To dispense with that question >>>>> quickly, it s the best sounding iPhone (that doesn t have a Plus in its >>>>> name) I ve heard so far. >>>>> Not surprising, as it has two tiny speakers instead of one so >>>>> Voice Over and books on Voice Dream Reader sound very pleasant. I >>>>> don t listen to music on a phone speaker and am always surprised >>>>> when people give this aspect of audio serious consideration. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Of course the iPhone 7 is the infamous one where they got rid of >>>>> the audio jack. So I took my trusty B&w P7 headphones, my ancient >>>>> and cheap but much-loved (for sentimental reasons) Koss Porto Pros >>>>> and my Bluetooth Plantronics BackBeat Pros and the lightening ear >>>>> pods that ship with the device. No DAC except the little lightning >>>>> to 3.5mm convertor supplied by Apple. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here are my first impressions and I have to emphasis they were >>>>> entirely subjective with no attempt at rigor. Imagine my shock >>>>> when I tried my P7s and thought they sounded awful! The mid-range >>>>> was thin with a hardness I never noticed before. The base was >>>>> there but not particularly extended. The music sounded kind of >>>>> flat with no real involvement. For the first time I felt I knew >>>>> what was meant when components were described as unmusical. When I >>>>> then tried my Koss Porto Pros whose basic design hasn t changed >>>>> since the 1980 s and which at one point retailed at around 25 I >>>>> actually thought they sounded better but with the qualities >>>>> described above still present, perhaps with more space and a >>>>> warmer tone. The Bluetooth BackBeat Pros sounded the best with >>>>> musicality restored and a warmth replacing the hard midrange. The Apple >>>>> earpods were what you would expect: a good reason for buying decent >>>>> headphones for your Apple device. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The culprit, of course, was the $9 DAC provided by Apple for those >>>>> folk who will insist on owning headphones with a 3.5mm plug. The >>>>> frustrating thing was that as I was away from home I couldn t try >>>>> any other lightning to audio DAC. I did have my Arcam MusicBoost >>>>> case but as it is made for the thinner iPhone 6 I didn t fancy >>>>> having my new iPhone 7 permanently wedged in it. Out of >>>>> desperation I did gingerly try to insert it but gave up when it became >>>>> clear it would end in disaster. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I didn t do (and still haven t done) was try the above >>>>> headphones with the audio jack on my old iPhone 6 to see if it >>>>> really did sound worse on the iPhone 7 or if it was just a trick >>>>> of the mind because I was expecting better. Since arriving home I >>>>> have tried my P7s with the Oppo HA 2 DAC and the iPhone 7 and I am >>>>> glad to say they were back to being absolutely stunning. That s a relief. >>>>> I then tried them again with the little Apple supplied DAC >>>>> converter and although they weren t as shockingly bad as my first >>>>> impression they still sounded seriously under par, and that also >>>>> when for my little plastic Porto Pros. Yet I still feel even the >>>>> Porto Pros sounded better with the old audio jack. It mostly came down to >>>>> that sense of hardness and lack of musicality I felt I detected. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, what do you expect for what amounts to a $9 DAC, I hear you >>>>> say. Most people who have a cheap pair of headphones won t notice >>>>> or care and will just want them to work. I am quite sure that some >>>>> headphones will even sound better for it. But as I don t always >>>>> want to carry a separate and cumbersome DAC around with me for >>>>> casual listening I do wish Apple had spent just a little more on their >>>>> convertor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John Gurd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > > >
