Hi everybody, Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real "jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's 2007!!! Not the stone age.
Anyway, darsh, I know where you're coming from. thanks everybody, Alicia .·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. wrote: > Hi people > > If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word > 'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even. I am not sure what the count > is but I can imagine that there are very few actual girls on this list > (that would be pretty cool though...bunch of lurking little girls, hi, > hi). > > I am in my mid twenties and I don't really like being called 'girl'. > A girl is a female child... The other women on this list may not > agree with this or they may not even care about it one single bit or > they may even be annoyed that I am bringing it up (if this is the case > then sorry ladies)... > > My little sister who is 15 (and fond of gem) is someone who I consider > a girl or maybe even a young lady....If there were more like her on > this list then maybe girl would be the right term...To be honest > though, I wouldn't recommend that she join this list at this point in > her life...This thread makes my skin crawl. > > xo > > Darsh > > On 10/16/07, *Roman Haefeli* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > hey ho > > let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a > dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered > through > very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at > all to > the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a > point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so > serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously > couldn't be established. > > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > yves, > > > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you > describe (maybe > > > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :)) > > > > hi David and all, > > I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some > examples > > of greasy jokes: > > yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this > could be a basis for a real discussion. > > > From: João Miguel Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm > > > > - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a > lightbulb? 2: > > One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k. > > [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a > > humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last > weeks] > > i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the > first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that > insult > feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt, > that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to > provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or > whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he > succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the > list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in > order to question the ongoing discussion. > > accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case, > though i do > not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list, > regardless > of the intention. > > > I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about > the facts is > > just a bit too much for me to keep silent. > > i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling > someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here. > > roman > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! > Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > -- > ~computer incantations for world peace~ > JL Ponty > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list