PS - "OC" stands for Okisdental Cawrterly - just wanted to clear that up.
--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, "tim_howells_1000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK - I finally noticed that MacDonald is on the editorial board. I > don't know anything about OC beyond having read that book by MacDonald . > Even regarding OC, you are posting hostile characterizations of their > positions. This is getting too far removed from MacDonald , I think. > > Again, why don't you just post something written by Kevin MacDonald that > you find objectionable? Maybe on reflection I'll agree. I try not to > cling to untenable positions - I'll admit when I'm wrong. Maybe we just > disagree, but can do so in a friendly way. But then again, maybe I > really am a depraved moral monster, and this is your chance to expose > me! > > I think there are no easy, pat solutions here. One easy out is to > simply deny that ethnic groups even exist. Or you could deny the > existence of ethnic competition and conflict. Or you could think that > maybe it's better just to ignore these things and hope they go away. > Sure, there are problems with MacDonald's positions - if I could get a > dialog going at all here, maybe we could get into that. Maybe there are > even a few problems with your own position that it would be good for you > to consider. The one thing I really put my faith in is getting the > light of day on problems, and open and honest discussion. > > Tim Howells > > > > > > > > > > Sean McBride wrote: > > > > From Wikipedia. Do you dispute any of the statements here? > > > > Nope. I know that MacDonald has published in OQ. I have read his > > Understanding Jewish Influence, which was published by them, I > believe. > > I don't know whether or not KM endorses all of the points made in the > > editorial statement below, or if he has any other relationship with > OC, > > so I think this is basically a waste of time. > > > > Why don't we actually have a look at something that Kevin MacDonald > has > > actually said? After all, he has published widely, and his opinions > are > > an open book - or several actually. Why not? The simplest thing would > > be if you could post some of the things he said that you think are so > > terrible. Then we could discuss them. Why not? Based on past > > experience, you will decline to do this. I'll try to find time some > > time soon to scan in some passages from the final chapter of Culture > of > > Critique, where he sums up his views in a very good way, I think. Then > > you can have at it, and maybe we can figure out what is going wrong > with > > this attempt at a dialog. > > > > Tim Howells > > > > > > > > [BEGIN WIKIPEDIA ON KEVIN MACDONALD] > > > > The Occidental Quarterly is a journal of Western thought and opinion. > > The journal's name derives from its devotion to discussing the ethnic, > > racial and cultural heritage that forms the foundation of Western > > Civilization as well as the contemporary political, social and > > demographic trends that affect this tradition. It has been described > as > > a white nationalist journal that seeks to direct American conservatism > > in the direction of an Anglo-Saxon cultural and racial ideology.[1] > > > > The journal is published by the Charles Martel Society (not to be > > confused with France's anti-Algerian Charles Martel Group [2]), named > in > > honor of Charles Martel, who halted a Muslim invasion of Europe at the > > Battle of Tours in 732. They explicitly reject neoconservatism and > call > > for a "third school" to emerge from paleoconservatism in the from of > an > > ideology of White European identity politics, and holds that the > > American political order of freedom and liberty is under ethnic and > > ideological threat. Its foreign policy positions, broadly, are > > anti-immigration with the exception of those from other industrialized > > Western nations, and isolationism, including the rejection of > influence > > from Israel and Mexico on U.S. politics. > > > > > > The current editor of Occidental Quarterly is Kevin Lamb. Its > > publisher is William Regnery II.[3] Editorial advisory board members > > include Virginia Abernethy, Richard Lynn, Kevin B. MacDonald, Wayne > > Lutton, and Brent Nelson [4]. Jared Taylor, of the American > Renaissance > > magazine, is a past member. [5] Sam Francis was an associate editor > > until his death. > > > > > > [END WIKIPEDIA ON KEVIN MACDONALD] > > > > > > > > > tim_howells_1000 timothy.howells@ wrote: > > > Sean McBride wrote: > > > Anyone who is pushing white ethnic nationalist themes, with a heavy > > emphasis on the negative stereotyping of ethnic outsiders (Jews, > blacks, > > Hispanics, Asians, etc.), is a Nazi in my book. They may deny the Nazi > > label, but they can't run away from the real intent of their words. > > > I assume you're referring to Kevin MacDonald. Could you please post > a > > passage from MacDonald that you find objectionable, so that we can > > discuss this and get to the bottom of our disagreement? For a general > > discussion in which MacDonald gets to the heart of these matters, see > > the final chapter of Culture of Critique. Alternatively, the > > introduction is available online, or, again, you could refer to the > > review by Frank Salter, which deliberately highlights controversial > > issues. > > > Really the final chapter of CoC is the best source for understanding > > MacDonald's conclusions. I'll try to post some material on a new > thread > > later. > > > Tim Howells > > > > > >
