Indonesia juga punya ISA, tetapi berat sebelah dan yang harus melakukan penegakan hukum terdiri dari orang-orang kleptokratik, akibatnya memang kacau dan rakyat yang dijadikan korban.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Petter Taulan P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Dilemma negara yang tak punya ISA > > > Jo, kamu tahu arti ISA nggak? > Tahu kalau Indonesia yg masi kacau balau ini mempunyai ISA bisa jadi apa > negara kita? > Tahu model seperti apa mental aparat kita? > Kalau ngak ngerti apa2 jangan asal bunyi dan setengah2 ngeliat > permasalahan > belum lagi ditinjau dari prinsip2 lain... > U got that??? > Jangan2 u orang emang bagian dari masa lampau yg bagusnya dimasukkan k > dalam museum aja buat contoh anak cucu kita.... > > Civil Society harus menjadi prinsip pertama bernegara dan untuk itu > diperlukan perjuangan memang...but it is the cost we must pay > > > ptP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --- rahardjo mustadjab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Mohamed Bouyeri, warga negara Belanda asal Maroko, > > > sudah lama ketahuan gerak geriknya, tetapi polisi > > > tidak berdaya menangkapnya, karena menurut peraturan > > > yang ada polisi tidak boleh menangkap seseorang atas > > > dasar kecurigaan semata. Akhirnya Mohamed Bouyeri > > > benar-benar membunuh Theo van Gogh disiang bolong > > > dikeramaian, masih pula sempat memotong > > > kerongkongannya dan menuliskan ancaman kepada > > > siapapun > > > yang akan menghina agamanya. > > > > > > Sayang, karena Belanda tidak punya ISA (internal > > > security act) yang memungkinkan aparat untuk bukan > > > saja menyadap surat dan pembicaraan telpon seseorang > > > bahkan langsung menangkap seseorang yang dicurigai > > > dan > > > menjebloskan dia ke tahanan tanpa batas waktu dan > > > tanpa harus didampingi pengacara. Bukti kuat dari > > > polisi tidak perlu, info intelejens sudah cukup. Di > > > Indonesia pernah ada keinginan untuk punya semacam > > > ISA, tapi dihalang-halangi politisi yang masih takut > > > kembalinya hantu masa lalu. Tidak selalu negara > > > yang > > > punya ISA negara otoriter, lihat Inggris dan > > > Singapura > > > d an Malaysia sudah punya. > > > > > > Salam, > > > RM > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > (STI) > > > Nov 27, 2004 > > > Dutch powerless to stop 'killer' > > > > > > Man arrested for film-maker's murder was being > > > watched, but authorities could not act > > > Amsterdam > > > > > > HIS telephone was tapped, his apartment was watched, > > > but the Dutch authorities could not arrest the man > > > who > > > is now the suspect in the Theo van Gogh murder. > > > > > > The authorities' problem with Mohamed Bouyeri > > > mirrors > > > problems faced by most European governments as > > > radical > > > Islam spreads across the continent: how to arrest > > > suspected militants before they act, without risking > > > charges of discrimination or trampling on individual > > > rights. > > > > > > In Bouyeri's case, the Dutch authorities were not > > > surprised to learn that it was the Dutchman of > > > Moroccan descent who killed film-maker Theo van Gogh > > > in broad daylight earlier this month. > > > > > > Yet they had been powerless to stop it. > > > > > > The government of the Netherlands has come under > > > criticism for missing Bouyeri when Islamist death > > > threats were made against Mr Van Gogh. But stopping > > > him would have meant assessing guilt before the > > > crime, > > > Justice Minister Jan Piet Hein Donner said in an > > > interview. > > > > > > 'You're dealing with processes that take place in > > > one's head,' Mr Donner said. 'We can't arrest people > > > for wearing certain clothes.' > > > > > > Bouyeri first came to the attention of the Dutch > > > authorities in 2002 after he moved out of his > > > family's > > > home and rented a tiny one-bedroom apartment on a > > > quiet street in the Slotmeer district of western > > > Amsterdam. > > > > > > The apartment soon became a regular meeting place > > > for > > > a group of young Muslims under the tutelage of a > > > Syrian named Redouan Al-Issar, known to the group as > > > Abu Khaled. > > > > > > Issar, believed to be 43, sought political asylum in > > > Germany in 1995 before moving to Amsterdam. He > > > established himself as the group's spiritual leader > > > and talked to them about 'violent jihad', according > > > to > > > intelligence reports. > > > > > > He was cited by the Dutch Justice Ministry in a > > > recent > > > report to Parliament. He often stayed in Bouyeri's > > > cramped apartment. > > > > > > But intelligence officials were more interested in a > > > high school student named Samir Azzouz, who also > > > attended the meetings at the apartment and who early > > > last year was arrested in Ukraine, apparently trying > > > to make his way to Chechnya. > > > > > > He was sent back to Amsterdam, where social workers > > > and school teachers tried unsuccessfully to coach > > > him > > > through his final exams. > > > > > > Months later, Spanish intelligence officials > > > notified > > > the Netherlands that they had intercepted > > > communications between Azzouz and a Moroccan in > > > Spain > > > who was suspected of involvement in suicide bombings > > > that killed 45 people in Casablanca in May last > > > year. > > > > > > A wiretapped conversation suggested that Azzouz and > > > several other men were planning a terrorist attack. > > > > > > The Netherlands has since enacted a law making it a > > > crime to conspire to commit a terrorist act. Like > > > the > > > rest of Europe, it is gradually strengthening laws > > > to > > > thwart terrorists. > > > > > > Mr Donner has asked for legislation lowering the > > > threshold required for the police to hold suspects > > > before they are charged; he wants suspicion alone to > > > be enough. > > > > > > He said the Netherlands was also going beyond many > > > countries in Europe by seeking to allow prosecutors > > > to > > > use intelligence reports as evidence without > > > revealing > > > their source. -- NEW YORK TIMES > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. 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