>Sayang, karena Belanda tidak punya ISA (internal >security act) yang memungkinkan aparat untuk bukan >saja menyadap surat dan pembicaraan telpon seseorang >bahkan langsung menangkap seseorang yang dicurigai dan >menjebloskan dia ke tahanan tanpa batas waktu dan >tanpa harus didampingi pengacara. Bukti kuat dari >polisi tidak perlu, info intelejens sudah cukup.
pendapat u (word by word ) diatas sangat berbahaya dan mungkin yang masi tersimpan dialam bawah sadar anda lebih parah. Memang sebaiknya bukan sekadar dicabut kembali tetapi merevisi pola pikiran gaya lama tersebut mengingat u adalah aparatus pemerintah. ptP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: rahardjo mustadjab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Dilemma negara yang tak punya ISA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petter Taulan P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Dilemma negara yang tak > > punya ISA > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jo, kamu tahu arti ISA nggak? > > > Tahu kalau Indonesia yg masi kacau balau ini > > mempunyai ISA bisa jadi apa > > > negara kita? > > > Tahu model seperti apa mental aparat kita? > > > Kalau ngak ngerti apa2 jangan asal bunyi dan > > setengah2 ngeliat > > > permasalahan > > > belum lagi ditinjau dari prinsip2 lain... > > > U got that??? > > > Jangan2 u orang emang bagian dari masa lampau yg > > bagusnya dimasukkan k > > > dalam museum aja buat contoh anak cucu kita.... > > > > > > Civil Society harus menjadi prinsip pertama > > bernegara dan untuk itu > > > diperlukan perjuangan memang...but it is the cost > > we must pay > > > > > > > > > ptP > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Mbah Jo's comment: > > Ampun seribu ampun, tuanku. Dengan ini anjuran saya, > saya tarik. Selanjutnya, apabila kehadiran saya di > ppiindia hanya ngrusuhi, perlukah saya sekali lagi > unsuscribe dari sini ? Sekali lagi maafkan kesalahan > saya. > > Salam, > RM > > > > --- rahardjo mustadjab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mohamed Bouyeri, warga negara Belanda asal > > Maroko, > > > > > sudah lama ketahuan gerak geriknya, tetapi > > polisi > > > > > tidak berdaya menangkapnya, karena menurut > > peraturan > > > > > yang ada polisi tidak boleh menangkap > > seseorang atas > > > > > dasar kecurigaan semata. Akhirnya Mohamed > > Bouyeri > > > > > benar-benar membunuh Theo van Gogh disiang > > bolong > > > > > dikeramaian, masih pula sempat memotong > > > > > kerongkongannya dan menuliskan ancaman kepada > > > > > siapapun > > > > > yang akan menghina agamanya. > > > > > > > > > > Sayang, karena Belanda tidak punya ISA > > (internal > > > > > security act) yang memungkinkan aparat untuk > > bukan > > > > > saja menyadap surat dan pembicaraan telpon > > seseorang > > > > > bahkan langsung menangkap seseorang yang > > dicurigai > > > > > dan > > > > > menjebloskan dia ke tahanan tanpa batas waktu > > dan > > > > > tanpa harus didampingi pengacara. Bukti kuat > > dari > > > > > polisi tidak perlu, info intelejens sudah > > cukup. Di > > > > > Indonesia pernah ada keinginan untuk punya > > semacam > > > > > ISA, tapi dihalang-halangi politisi yang > > masih takut > > > > > kembalinya hantu masa lalu. Tidak selalu > > negara > > > > > yang > > > > > punya ISA negara otoriter, lihat Inggris dan > > > > > Singapura > > > > > d an Malaysia sudah punya. > > > > > > > > > > Salam, > > > > > RM > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > (STI) > > > > > Nov 27, 2004 > > > > > Dutch powerless to stop 'killer' > > > > > > > > > > Man arrested for film-maker's murder was > > being > > > > > watched, but authorities could not act > > > > > Amsterdam > > > > > > > > > > HIS telephone was tapped, his apartment was > > watched, > > > > > but the Dutch authorities could not arrest > > the man > > > > > who > > > > > is now the suspect in the Theo van Gogh > > murder. > > > > > > > > > > The authorities' problem with Mohamed Bouyeri > > > > > mirrors > > > > > problems faced by most European governments > > as > > > > > radical > > > > > Islam spreads across the continent: how to > > arrest > > > > > suspected militants before they act, without > > risking > > > > > charges of discrimination or trampling on > > individual > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > > In Bouyeri's case, the Dutch authorities were > > not > > > > > surprised to learn that it was the Dutchman > > of > > > > > Moroccan descent who killed film-maker Theo > > van Gogh > > > > > in broad daylight earlier this month. > > > > > > > > > > Yet they had been powerless to stop it. > > > > > > > > > > The government of the Netherlands has come > > under > > > > > criticism for missing Bouyeri when Islamist > > death > > > > > threats were made against Mr Van Gogh. But > > stopping > > > > > him would have meant assessing guilt before > > the > > > > > crime, > > > > > Justice Minister Jan Piet Hein Donner said in > > an > > > > > interview. > > > > > > > > > > 'You're dealing with processes that take > > place in > > > > > one's head,' Mr Donner said. 'We can't arrest > > people > > > > > for wearing certain clothes.' > > > > > > > > > > Bouyeri first came to the attention of the > > Dutch > > > > > authorities in 2002 after he moved out of his > > > > > family's > > > > > home and rented a tiny one-bedroom apartment > > on a > > > > > quiet street in the Slotmeer district of > > western > > > > > Amsterdam. > > > > > > > > > > The apartment soon became a regular meeting > > place > > > > > for > > > > > a group of young Muslims under the tutelage > > of a > > > > > Syrian named Redouan Al-Issar, known to the > > group as > > > > > Abu Khaled. > > > > > > > > > > Issar, believed to be 43, sought political > > asylum in > > > > > Germany in 1995 before moving to Amsterdam. > > He > > > > > established himself as the group's spiritual > > leader > > > > > and talked to them about 'violent jihad', > > according > > > > > to > > > > > intelligence reports. > > > > > > > > > > He was cited by the Dutch Justice Ministry in > > a > > > > > recent > > > > > report to Parliament. He often stayed in > > Bouyeri's > > > > > cramped apartment. > > > > > > > > > > But intelligence officials were more > > interested in a > > > > > high school student named Samir Azzouz, who > > also > > > > > attended the meetings at the apartment and > > who early > > > > > last year was arrested in Ukraine, apparently > > trying > > > > > to make his way to Chechnya. > > > > > > > > > > He was sent back to Amsterdam, where social > > workers > > > === message truncated === > > > > *************************************************************************** > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.uni.cc > *************************************************************************** > __________________________________________________________________________ > Mohon Perhatian: > > 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) > 2. 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