On 11-04-2024 15:49, Ben Beasley wrote:
For a proposed nose successor, pynose doesn’t seem to have gained much community traction so far: it has seven stars on GitHub[1] (compared to 770 for nose2, which itself was never that widely adopted and has fewer than ten dependent packages in Fedora); and the imperfect but fairly useful reverse dependency index at Wheelodex[2] shows only three packages that explicitly depend on it.
Well, Wheelodex doesn't show pysb. They have just switched from nose to pynose. When looking into updating the package to the latest release the noses were no longer aligned (pun intended). That's how I started looking into pynose.
As far as I can tell, pynose exists because SeleniumBase[3] found it easier to fork nose than to port away from it. I’m *definitely* not saying we should only package things with a bunch of GitHub stars, but I do have some concerns about whether or not pynose is going to remain a generally-useful project in the medium-to-long term.
I think you are right there. The current maintainer of pynose is also a/the maintainer of SeleniumBase.
Currently, pynose is seeing regular releases - seven since May 2023. When I just inquired regarding unit tests, I received a response within minutes. This might just be coincidence. But it shows the project is alive.
Regarding usefulness, almost all packages in Fedora still depending on nose worked out of the box when I tested with a build of pynose mimicking nose also in the Python meta data. Two packages I couldn't test since they are currently FTBFS. One package, pycdio, is using `%python3 setup.py nosetests`. I have not yet looked into why that works with nose but not with pynose. But that line could simply be changed back to `nosetests -v`.
I think the takeaway here is swapping an unmaintained package for a maintained package. How widely it will get adopted seems lees important to me. The future will tell.
[1] https://github.com/mdmintz/pynose/stargazers [2] https://www.wheelodex.org/projects/pynose/rdepends/ [3] https://github.com/seleniumbase/SeleniumBase
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