As expected. Kent
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 15:34 +0200, Sebastian Werner wrote: > Ulrich Schreiner schrieb: > > why not giving the contributors write/update-access to their > > "contributed/*" directory (or the whole contributed directory)? this can > > be done with subversion (see the hook-script, --> svnperms.py) , but i > > don't know if this can be done with [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... > > Sorry I don't think this is possible at sourceforge. > > > > > perhaps the people are more happy if they can change "their" code > > without asking a person (you?) for updating it in the repository ... > > Maybe this is true. But I don't think it's that complicated to send some > patches each week. There isn't that much traffic that I really think > this is a strong argument. > > Sebastian > > > > > > Sebastian Werner wrote: > >> Kent Olsson schrieb: > >>> Hej Olli! > >>> > >>>> i think, sebastian makes a good job - BUT - qooxdoo could be more that > >>>> it actually is. if there is only one person who is the boss and this > >>>> person has not as much time as he should have - then it is a > >>>> disadvantege to qooxdoo. > >>> > >>> This is what it is all about. > >>> > >>>> only a view questions: > >>>> i thought, there should be a datetime - picker - where is it? > >>> > >>> There has been developed an interface to an already existing one. The > >>> one I have developed I have not released fully yet and the reason is the > >>> complexity involved with different calendars and localisation. > >>> > >>> I will release the localisation classes today and after that it will be > >>> much easier to implement the rest of the date picker in a Qooxdoo way. > >>> > >>>> i thought, there is a Datagrid with horizontal scrolling - where is > >>>> it? > >>> > >>> I have never heard of. Who is developing it? I would be very happy if > >>> someone would do that! > >>> > >>>> why isn't the split-pane a real part of qooxdoo? > >>> > >>> The burden is on the shoulders of Sebastian. He should look at it but > >>> nothing has happened during 5 weeks. He has too much to do! > >> > >> You just need to open the example and play with it. It's buggy > >> currently. Please try to fix the outstanding bugs first. > >> > >>> > >>>> what about the progressbars? > >>> > >>> Been two alternatives developed. I think it would be easy to merge or > >>> choose one of them as a good solution. Still on Sebastian's desk. He has > >>> not time! > >> > >> Why should I do this? What's about you? Please talk with each other > >> and try to build only one from the two existing contribution. If you > >> think you are done I will be happy to take a look at. > >> > >>> > >>>> where is the wiki (there was one - but no one is using it) > >>> > >>> It has been proposed, but Sebastian has not even answered the proposal > >>> from an interested user/developer. When no support, nothing will > >>> happen... On Sebastian's shoulders too! > >> > >> I've repeatedly written that we are working on a solution. We don't > >> like a wiki hosted by a private person. We want an own solution. It > >> will come. But I really don't know why you are so interested in a > >> wiki. It will improve the situation. Yes. But there is no reason why > >> not to contribute to the documentation stuff already. A wiki is just a > >> different platform. > >> > >>> > >>>> where is the bugtracker (same as wiki) > >>> > >>> The same as the previous item. > >>> > >>>> sebastian alone has not enough power to handle this all (in my > >>>> oppinion he is doing as much as he can. but he only has 2 arms and > >>>> only 8-10 hours a day) > >>> > >>> Definitively, and it is very good in a technical manner and service is > >>> excellent when he is here, but managewise there might be doubts. > >>> > >>>> i think it is our part to do as much as we can to help sebastian and > >>>> his part is to ACCEPT the help. > >>> > >>> That is exactly what has been proposed. > >>> > >>>> i had a idea how to make the best out of both world's. my idea > >>>> combines a "core" - qooxdoo -> sebastian can manage on his own and a > >>>> "contributed" - qooxdoo we all can participate. if sebastian then > >>>> decide to move a widget from "contributed" to "core" he can do this > >>>> and my "magic" (the idea i had) managed this transparent, so that dhe > >>>> developer using qooxdoo has not to think about. The first alpha of > >>>> this idea is working without problems and i had send this to sebastian > >>>> so that he can think about it. > >>> > >>> I am glad to hear that you propose this constructive and necessary > >>> action. I tried about the same idea with Sebastian before, but it was > >>> totally rejected. > >> > >> Could you please explain in detail what exactly do you mean. We have > >> already a contributed folder. What's the reason why not send patches > >> for the already existing files? I think it's just sanctimoniously to > >> assert that the only reason is the current solution for contributions. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Sebastian > >> > >>> I like your way of approaching it. It is very good, > >>> because then there will be a pressure in both directions, on Sebastian > >>> and the contributors, to present the best solution. I guess that will > >>> give result. > >>> > >>>> i know sebastian has actually no time to answer so i wait til he has. > >>> > >>> I guess that is the reality. > >>> > >>>> if sebastian hasn't enough time to contribute the idea - kent (or > >>>> anybody else outh there) can you write Shell scripts working under > >>>> cygwin (i can't and this is needed) > >>> > >>> I think I can help this off the blocks and I hope that a few other > >>> developers will help to get it done. > >>> > >>> Kent > >>> > >>>> Olli > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kent Olsson schrieb: > >>>>> Dear Izaak, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Kent, there was nothing in your complaint for me to even quote. > >>>>>> > >>>>> It was not a complaint! If you do not want to quote, why do you even > >>>>> bother commenting? I would appreciate a polite discussion. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> You talk about users off-list who have complained, but about > >>>>>> what? You talk about problems in the last 3-4 months, what were > >>>>>> they? > >>>>>> > >>>>> I know about 8 developers given up the project for different reasons > >>>>> related to what I am trying to improve. I also know of 9 existing > >>>>> users > >>>>> not really fully satisfied the way the project has been managed so > >>>>> far. > >>>>> > >>>>> I cite what they said... > >>>>> 1. not letting people in > >>>>> 2. not showing respect for their additions > >>>>> 3. attitude in discussion > >>>>> 4. misunderstandings not cleared out > >>>>> 5. difficult to contribute > >>>>> 6. do not feel welcome to contribute > >>>>> 7. long response times > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The question: > >>>>>> Is qooxdoo's development stunted by Sebastian's tight control? > >>>>>> > >>>>> Yes, definitively. That is the whole issue. If a project is a one-man > >>>>> show the risk is extremely high that it will fail. Look at the last 2 > >>>>> weeks. He has been busy with other things. What happens if serious > >>>>> things happen to him or his family? You never know what is behind the > >>>>> next corner. Nothing of this I hope will happen, but who is going to > >>>>> take on his spirit? What about all the guys who have been working with > >>>>> the library and spent a lot of hours working with it? You have to > >>>>> realise that this is life and not a one-man show, even though you > >>>>> might > >>>>> have an idealistic view. It might be as long as it works, but if it > >>>>> does > >>>>> not.... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I've seen the community do some really good testing and bug > >>>>>> reporting on this mailing list. However I haven't seen any large > >>>>>> contributions, and not a single one that improves qooxdoo's core > >>>>>> functionality. > >>>>>> > >>>>> You address the problem! > >>>>> > >>>>> Exactly. Who wants to contribute if it is not taken seriously. You do > >>>>> not think a SplitPane is worthwhile? > >>>>> > >>>>> I think you should show more respect for the work of the contributing > >>>>> people. What you say is that the contributors like me, Streifert, > >>>>> Ricks, > >>>>> Björn and Vogel and all the others is not even worthwhile. > >>>>> Your statement does not stimulate people to contribute! Why not find a > >>>>> positive attitude in this? > >>>>> > >>>>> The only thing I am trying to do is to point at consolidation what has > >>>>> been done and secure its future development, because first then it is > >>>>> possible to use it professionally. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> It's also very hard to match qooxdoo's quality of code, to the > >>>>>> point where you must almost invest a similar amount of energy as > >>>>>> Sebastian and his company in order for your contribution to be > >>>>>> worth considering. What does this mean for us users? We're > >>>>>> getting a lot more of a 'professional' toolkit than we paid for!! :) > >>>>>> > >>>>> I think personally you are wrong. Sebastians et al work has been > >>>>> fantastic. Rome was not built on one day and not by one person. Do we > >>>>> really want only passive users sitting down and waiting for the > >>>>> team of > >>>>> Sebastian? I certainly do not want that, because the risk of using the > >>>>> library will be too high. It is not a question about paying...sigh! It > >>>>> is a question about doing something! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Sebastian has been doing all he can to attract more developers, > >>>>>> but there's nothing he can do until they show up. Have patience > >>>>>> in this respect and the project will grow organically. > >>>>>> > >>>>> I do not agree on this point. If you do not stimulate people to > >>>>> contribute, the work will never be done as fast. Even worse if you > >>>>> reject people's efforts... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> If you're dissatisfied but you don't have time to do something as > >>>>>> large as rewriting qooxdoo's layout engine (snicker), qooxdoo > >>>>>> would benefit most from some advocacy. Write articles to AJAX > >>>>>> development publications. Write a wikipedia entry. Show off your > >>>>>> qooxdoo projects. > >>>>>> > >>>>> I have. Did you? > >>>>> > >>>>> You seem to have strong opinions in this area. Again, I only try to > >>>>> consolidate the efforts and investment in a better way as it has been > >>>>> done so far. > >>>>> > >>>>> Referring to your contributions, we are all welcome. Why don't you > >>>>> post > >>>>> your code so we will see it at least in the contributed folder? It > >>>>> would > >>>>> be very much appreciated, instead letting this only be a speech. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> What qooxdoo needs is more quality developers, not looser QA. > >>>>>> > >>>>> What is this? No comment! 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