On 01/12/2014 9:15 AM, Martin Maechler wrote:
Thank you for all the thoughts about alleviating these problems,
both to us and the "newbies" (or otherwise e-mail clueless subscribers).

>>>>> Ranjan Maitra <maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com>
>>>>>     on Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:37:22 -0600 writes:

     > Following on Rich and Peter, is it practical for the list to put it at 
the top then, before the R-message?
     > Something like:

     > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from the list: see 
https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help

Indeed, that is possible for mailman lists as I see.
It looks ugly to me but I have been brought up in the age where
civilized letters started (in English) with 'Dear ..' and
e-mails were electronic letters..  and that age has gone...

Shall we do that in spite of esthetic reasons?
and keep the current footer?

Please don't put something at the top of the message. I don't care if you add an extra line at the bottom (even if you YELL), but I often browse in a fairly small window, and I'd like to see what's at the top.

Duncan Murdoch

Martin

     > And then continue on for each R message. Because top-posting has pretty 
much taken over, the best efforts of puritans notwithstanding, putting stuff at 
the bottom is unlikely to evoke much attention, and especially so in our 
140-character-3-second attention-span world.

     > As an aside, if I were the OP, and wanted to unsubscribe, the volume of 
the e-mail messages on this topic alone would have been punishment enough for the 
original post:-)

     > Best wishes,
     > Ranjan

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