Kevin M. Randall wrote:
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James Weinheimer wrote:

> I don't think I am missing the point of RDA, and the abbreviations are a
> great example. Do we really believe that a simple rule change will "solve"
> whatever "problems" the public supposedly has with abbreviations in the
> catalog? Sorry, but I find that very naive.

Did you read the rest of my post?  This response shows that you still do not
understand at all.  The "simple rule changes" are *NOT* the changes that are
significant in RDA.  What is significant and has great potential is the
entire concept behind RDA, creating a framework that brings metadata into
the current age of information technology
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Well, if you insist so strongly that I don't understand, it certainly must be 
true! :-)

But please bear with me and let me insist that I do understand. The underlying 
structure of RDA, which tries to envision the FRBR structure, is still 
something that is highly debatable. First, there is still no evidence that this 
structure is wanted or needed by our patrons. Every FRBR-type project I have 
seen is of limited use for our patrons, in my professional opinion, since our 
patrons are moving away from such things into the world of "search". Certainly 
people will look at and play with the displays, but there is still no evidence 
that it provides what they need, especially WEMI. And WEMI is one of the main 
products we will be making. I think very, very few people need that. The second 
point, and of course the most important, is the business case that demonstrates 
that all this is actually worthwhile in the business and financial sense. Both 
of these points have been advanced over and over throughout the years and 
certainly didn't start with me.

In any case, I think the library world has to demonstrate some kind of 
substantive advances, and I think we have to demonstrate them soon since the 
information world is moving away from us faster and faster, and along with that 
world goes a lot of the funding. Instead of swallowing the promises of a future 
Eldorado, the powers that be are starting to ask: what can you do now? This is 
why I mentioned the abbreviations "problem" and the changes to the Russian 
headings. We can change everything in our new records but there is still a 
massive amount of legacy data out there that our patrons will be seeing and 
working with every day just as much, or probably far more, than with the newer 
records we create. So, whether it's some completely insignificant rule change 
about abbreviations, or something bigger with new frameworks and structures, it 
all comes down to the same thing: our patrons will be working with both every 
day in every single search they do. This is why I say we have to look at it 
through their eyes, and not ours. From that point of view, things look much 
less revolutionary.

Now, we can either convert the older records, or we could place those older 
records into a separate database, in essence, archive it all. This would be one 
idea that I may go along with, and then start fresh with a brand-new format, 
rules, and so on and the task would be to get the two databases to interoperate 
as closely as possible. Of course, all this assumes that RDA and FRBR is useful 
and needed by our patrons AND that it's worth the costs.

I am certainly not saying that I know what people want when they search for 
information. That can only be discovered after research, especially in times as 
dynamic as our own. To begin creating an FRBR/RDA structure on the assumption 
that it provides people with what they need (otherwise why would you create 
it?), without any evidence for it, is unwarranted. So, the FRBR/RDA structure 
may be revolutionary and great, or it may just be a continuation of the 19th 
century structures, placed into the 21st century, which is my own opinion.

James L. Weinheimer  j.weinhei...@aur.edu
First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/

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