I seem to remember, maybe it was oral history or something like that, but if the phrase were connected to the person and really did not represent a subtitle, it was connected to area of responsibility.
For instance: The moon over the hill / |c a romantic novel by Billy Misbegotten. On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxw...@byu.edu>wrote: > It seems to me that typography can play a part also, showing the page > designer's intent as to whether the phrase is associated with the title or > statement of responsibility. The RDA instruction expects us to determine if > the noun or phrase "occurs with" a statement of responsibility, and while > that includes grammatical connection, "occurs with" also includes physical > location on the page or type layout, in my opinion. > > I would see a difference between a title page set up > > CHARACTERS FROM DICKENS: > DRAMATISED ADAPTATIONS > > > > > > by Barry Campbell > > > And one set up > > > CHARACTERS FROM DICKENS > > > > dramatised adaptations by Barry Campbell > > > If so, that makes it difficult to judge after the fact by looking at > transcriptions in 245 fields whether a phrase goes with the title or > statement of responsibility. > > Bob > > Robert L. Maxwell > Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian > Genre/Form Authorities Librarian > 6728 Harold B. Lee Library > Brigham Young University > Provo, UT 84602 > (801)422-5568 > > "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves > to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Arakawa, Steven > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:25 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of > Responsibility > > Kevin, As a rule of thumb, I was interpreting 2.4.1.8 as applying to > situations where there was a grammatical connection between the noun/noun > phrase. "I, robot : a novel / by Arthur C. Clarke" would be an example of > the noun/noun phrase with a grammatical connection (through "by"), an > example of 2.4.1.8. But "I, robot : a novel / Arthur C. Clarke" would be an > example where there is no grammatical connection, so by default 2.3.4.1 > would apply. After all, if the noun phrase without grammatical connection > was used as part of the statement of responsibility in the latter situation, > you would be left with "I, robot / novel, Arthur C. Clarke." So it doesn't > necessarily have to be used only when the statement of responsibility > includes entities identified as having different functions (... / novel by X > ; illustrations by Y). Where the noun phrase clearly functions to "explain" > the title proper, the grammatical connection would be ignored. I was > actually thinking of including something like "Turbulence : a novel of the > atmosphere / by Giles Foden" as an example of a noun phrase that was > indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource. Most publishers > of recent fiction finesse the ambiguity by leaving out the "by" -- I really > had to hunt around to find the Turbulence example. I think there are > ramifications for where the noun phrase is located. In most results displays > on a title search in OPACs that use the browse function, the statement of > responsibility does not affect the sorting, but the absence/presence of the > other title often does. > > Steven Arakawa > Catalog Librarian for Training & Documentation > Catalog & Metadata Services, SML, Yale University > P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 > (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:51 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA 2.4.1.8 Noun Phrase Occurring with a Statement of > Responsibility > > I think the line between 2.4.1.8 and 2.3.4 is very blurry. In 2.3.4.1, it > says "Other title information may include any phrase appearing with a title > proper that is indicative of the character, contents, etc. of the resource > ..." That could very well be interpreted as meaning that a phrase such as > "a novel" is other title information; but then 2.4.1.8 is quite helpful when > you have something like "text by Person A, drawings by Person B". I > wouldn't necessarily say that it would be "right" or "wrong" to record the > phrase "a novel by Author C" as either (in ISBD form) ": a novel / by Author > C" or "/ a novel by Author C". It all depends on how the cataloger is > interpreting the information. Wouldn't a phrase such as "a novel of the Old > West" fit better as other title information, even if it was connected to the > author's name with the word "by"? On the other hand, it wouldn't affect > access very much (if at all?) by being recorded as part of the statement of > responsibility. > > Kevin M. Randall > Principal Serials Cataloger > Bibliographic Services Dept. > Northwestern University Library > 1970 Campus Drive > Evanston, IL 60208-2300 > email: k...@northwestern.edu > phone: (847) 491-2939 > fax: (847) 491-4345 > -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu
