In a message dated 6/10/2004 12:30:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not even sure that the benefits of a rigorous Free Exercise Clause and the burdens imposed by a rigorous Establishment Clause will even out if you aggregate the effects on all the religions.
        There are at least two kinds of claims relevant to the discussion of the joint value of the religion clauses: (1) Do all religious believers in a particular country benefit equally from the rigorous enforcement of both clauses? and (2) Are religious believers in a country where the First Amendment's religion clauses (or their counterparts) are rigorously enforced better off than religious believers in countries that do not have (or do not rigorously enforce) such clauses?
 
        Although I don't know the answer to either question, I suspect the answer to (1) is no while the answer to (2) is yes. An affirmative answer to the second question, however, has implications for the first question.  If religious believers in countries not having (or rigorously enforcing) the First Amendment's religion clauses (or their counterparts) are worse off--from the point of view of freely practicing their religion--than religious believers in countries having such clauses, then religious believers in the United States are generally better off by the presence (and rigorous enforcement) of such clauses even if "religious believers -- benefited by rigorous Free Exercise Clause protection [are not] the same as the ones burdened by a rigorously enforced Establishment Clause?" In other words, even if a particular group of religious believers in the United States lose a particular battle regarding their religion (or even a systemic or permanent battle), then arguably they still might be better off than believers in countries not having the religion clauses (or their counterparts).
 
        In short, even if those benefiting from the rigorous enforcement of the Free Exercise Clause are not the same as those benefiting from the Establishment Clause, both sets of believers might be better off than believers in countries not having either clause. This argument rests or falls, of course, on whether the relevant comparisons can be empirically verified, especially comparisons between religious believers in different countries.  One can't be certain, of course, but it doesn't seem that such comparisons are significantly more difficult than other such cross-national comparisons.
 
Bobby
 
Robert Justin Lipkin
Widener University School of Law
Delaware
 
         
 
 
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