Rick:

Maybe the test ought to be which "whiny" group has suffered persecution, gets murdered, beaten up, and threatned (or beaten up and left tied to a fence overnight in Wyoming); which group lives in fear day-to-day of being attacked for the essence of who they are? which needs the protection of the school and which needs to have the majority group be educated about the fundamental wrongness of harming people because of who they are. Or, to put it anther way, in a majority Christian country, with a born-again president, do Chrisian students feel some threat that they are about to be beaten up or even killed because of who they are. If there is a real threat to Christian student and they need to be protected and that they need a place of refuge to avoiding being harmed by fellow students, then by-all means, have a pink triangle and a little cross in a triangle as well, and let the two persecuted groups meet together in a place of refuge.

Paul Finkelman




Quoting Rick Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Steve: I agree with your point about whiny victims and the culture of complaint. But here is the problem. One group of whiny complainers asks for a Pink Triangle to make them feel more welcome. This causes another group of whiny complainers to complain about having the Pink Triangles shoved down their throats. Which group of whiny complainers should be appeased? What would be the more neutral way of resolving this dispute between the dueling whiners?

 Rick Duncan

Steve Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Quoting Rick Duncan :

What if a teacher walks into class, sees the display, and states
that he does not agree with its posting in his classroom. May the
school discipline him for merely making it clear that the display is
the message of the school board as opposed to that of the teacher
himself?


It be interesting to speculate, too, whether gay students would then
have some sort of disparate-impact and/or harassment claim (against the
teachers individually? the school board?) under the state or local
non-discrimination ordinances (there is no federal gay rights law, of
course).

I also think there is a non-constitutional religious liberty policy
issue when teachers are required to teach under a banner that
violates their sincerely held religious beliefs?


Rick, the problem with this, is seems to me (and like yours, this isn't
a legal argument, but a practical one), is that the vast majority of
religious believers (of all types) probably encounter, in their daily
work lives, any number of policies, things they are expected to do,
colleagues they are expected to put up with, etc., that they could
claim violate some sincerely held religious belief of theirs, if they
insisted on being strict and literal about it. But most people do what
they need to do to get by each day, if for no other reason than they've
absorbed the American ethos of live-and-let-live pluralism.

Not long ago, civic-republican oriented conservatives wrote books with
titles like "The Culture of Complaint," about how too many Americans
had become whiny, oversensitive rights-claimers to the exclusion of
larger notions of duty and citizenship. I confess, the idea of
teachers taking offense and asserting "rights" against policies that
are intended to help their own students learn in safer and more
effective environments strikes me as being just as regrettable.

Steve Sanders
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