Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Ross Singer]

Sorry about that!  SO.  MANY.  THREADS.

Anyway, sign me up on being on board with exploring that route, as well.

-Ross.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Kari R Smith <smit...@mit.edu> wrote:

> See again my post from 6/8 on this idea.
>
> Kari Smith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Ross Singer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:51 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?
>
> I kind of agree with Shaun's point: why on earth would some organization
> want to assume this?
>
> In the interest of not limiting ourselves to one solution to this problem,
> I'll throw another possibility that I haven't seen raised (and definitely
> has downsides, but they all do):  what if we to set aside the
> organizational aspects of the annual conference and try to find an existing
> conference that Code4Lib could be a track or sub-conference or whatever
> within?  I'm not suggesting these conferences, per se, but using them for
> analogy: what would the downside of existing *within* ALA or CIL or an
> established conference be?  Are there advantages?  Are there conferences
> that would be particularly good fits?  Would we just be pushing our current
> headaches into other compartments?
>
> I guess for me, I'm not so hell-bent on the annual conference being it's
> own exclusive event as much as being able to have it at all.
>
> -Ross.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Galen Charlton <g...@esilibrary.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess
> > <co...@sheldon-hess.org> wrote:
> > > Does anyone else want to self-nominate, to join a group to
> > > investigate making Code4Lib fiscally sustainable?
> >
> > I am interested in joining such a group. I have some relevant
> > experience to share, including stints as a member and chair of the
> > Evergreen project's oversight board. The Evergreen project became a
> > member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy in 2011; since
> > then, its conferences have been organized with Conservancy acting as
> > fiduciary and fiscal agent.
> >
> > --
> > Galen Charlton
> > Infrastructure and Added Services Manager Equinox Software, Inc. /
> > Open Your Library
> > email:  g...@esilibrary.com
> > direct: +1 770-709-5581
> > cell:   +1 404-984-4366
> > skype:  gmcharlt
> > web:http://www.esilibrary.com/
> > Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
> > http://evergreen-ils.org
> >
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Formalizing Code4Lib?

[Ross Singer]

I kind of agree with Shaun's point: why on earth would some organization
want to assume this?

In the interest of not limiting ourselves to one solution to this problem,
I'll throw another possibility that I haven't seen raised (and definitely
has downsides, but they all do):  what if we to set aside the
organizational aspects of the annual conference and try to find an existing
conference that Code4Lib could be a track or sub-conference or whatever
within?  I'm not suggesting these conferences, per se, but using them for
analogy: what would the downside of existing *within* ALA or CIL or an
established conference be?  Are there advantages?  Are there conferences
that would be particularly good fits?  Would we just be pushing our current
headaches into other compartments?

I guess for me, I'm not so hell-bent on the annual conference being it's
own exclusive event as much as being able to have it at all.

-Ross.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Galen Charlton  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Coral Sheldon-Hess
>  wrote:
> > Does anyone else want to self-nominate, to join a group to investigate
> > making Code4Lib fiscally sustainable?
>
> I am interested in joining such a group. I have some relevant
> experience to share, including stints as a member and chair of the
> Evergreen project's oversight board. The Evergreen project became a
> member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy in 2011; since
> then, its conferences have been organized with Conservancy acting as
> fiduciary and fiscal agent.
>
> --
> Galen Charlton
> Infrastructure and Added Services Manager
> Equinox Software, Inc. / Open Your Library
> email:  g...@esilibrary.com
> direct: +1 770-709-5581
> cell:   +1 404-984-4366
> skype:  gmcharlt
> web:http://www.esilibrary.com/
> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org &
> http://evergreen-ils.org
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2017 is dead; Long Live Code4lib 2017

[Ross Singer]

Sorry about the delay in moderating that: Google jumped into the moderation
screen with my work account (which doesn't have permission for that) which
was then empty (but didn't obviously say "you're in the wrong account and
don't have permission to do this, dummy") so I assumed it was Francis'
message pending and somebody else had already approved it or whatever.

-Ross.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Brian Rogers  wrote:

> Hi Francis -
>
> I sent a reply to your code4libconf Google Group post... but looks like
> it's still in moderation mode.
>
> We're speaking w/the other group on Monday afternoon in a conference call.
> We'll have concrete information to share after that.
>
> - Brian
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] What happened to the code4lib blog?

[Ross Singer]

For future reference:

https://rossfsinger.com/blog/2010/09/a-proposal-to-serialize-marc-in-json/

A series of missteps and ambivalence is causing the code4lib domain to not
redirect.

Anyway, good to see the community work around that!

-Ross.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016, LeVan,Ralph  wrote:

> Good enough for documentation purposes.
>
> Thanks Terry!
>
> And, Thanks, Ross!!
>
> Ralph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU ]
> On Behalf Of Terry Reese
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:04 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
> Subject: Re: What happened to the code4lib blog?
>
> You can use the wayback machine:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20150905201543/http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/bl
> og/2010/09/a-proposal-to-serialize-marc-in-json/
>
> --tr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU ]
> On Behalf Of LeVan,Ralph
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 4:54 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] What happened to the code4lib blog?
>
> I'm playing around with Elasticsearch and need to convert MARC to JSON.
> Of the various proposals to do that, I liked Ross Singer's the best.
>
>
> http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/blog/2010/09/a-proposal-to-serialize-marc-in
> -json/
>
> Sadly, that link is dead.  Any chance of reviving it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ralph
>
> --
>
> Ralph LeVan
>
> OCLC * Senior Research Scientist, OCLC Research
>
> 6565 Kilgour Place, Dublin, Ohio USA 43017
>
> T +1-614-764-6115 * F +1-614-718-7603
>
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>
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> http://www.facebook.com/pages/OCLC/20530435726> * Twitter<
> http://twitter.com/oclc> * YouTube
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Chattanooga Bid for 2017

[Ross Singer]

BEST PROPOSAL EVAR

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Mary Jinglewski 
wrote:

>  On behalf of our proposal committee, I am pleased to confirm that
> Chattanooga has now submitted a bid to host Code4Lib 2017.
>
> Our proposal can be found at http://lab.lib.utc.edu/c4l-cha
>
> Mary Jinglewski, Wendy Hagenmaier, and Andrea Schurr are attending Code4Lib
> 2016 in Philly and would be happy to talk about our proposal in person.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mary
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC shutting down xISBN and xID (was Re: [CODE4LIB] Matching print and electronic editions of the same book)

[Ross Singer]

Rachel, for what it's worth, it had nothing to do with your email (we were
notified of it a couple of weeks ago, I guess because we were one of the
few paying customers of the service).

-Ross.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Maderik, Rachel A 
wrote:

> Yes, thanks Bill for pointing that out, and now of course I'm regretting
> my initial email. Regardless of the rate limit and lack of updates, this
> API still has enormous value, and I'm sorry to see they're responding by
> shutting it down (instead of keeping it on in a "frozen" state, if nothing
> else).
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Fleming, Jason
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 12:06 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC shutting down xISBN and xID (was Re:
> [CODE4LIB] Matching print and electronic editions of the same book)
>
> As a heavy user of the xID service I would look forward to a discussion
> about what alternatives there might be.
>
> Thank you Bill for the link t to that announcement.
>
>
> -Jason
>
> Jason Fleming
> Information Technology Librarian
>
> 601 South College Road | Wilmington, NC  28403-5990
> T: 910-962-2675 | flemi...@uncw.edu
> http://library.uncw.edu
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> William Denton
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] OCLC shutting down xISBN and xID (was Re: [CODE4LIB]
> Matching print and electronic editions of the same book)
>
> Rachel's message evidently prompted this:
>
> http://www.oclc.org/developer/news/2015/change-to-xid-services.en.html
>
> "OCLC offers an array of APIs that provide additional access points to
> WorldCat and the WorldShare platform, allowing libraries and partners to
> use the data inside applications in new and creative ways.  While we add
> APIs at times, we also must retire some.  The xID product, including xISBN,
> xISSN and xOCLCNum, has experience low usage and will be retired from the
> OCLC API offering. No new keys are being issued, and the service will be
> unavailable beginning March 15, 2016."
>
> OCLC people:  how about releasing the data behind the xID services?  A big
> static dump of all of the numbers (ISBN, LCCN, OCLCnum) and how they're
> related.
> It'll be out of date the next day, but it'll still be very, very useful.
>
> When you needed them, the xID services were EXTREMELY helpful.  Perhaps
> part of the cause of low usage was the access restrictions, both of number
> of requests and commercial use.  If the data had been open, many more uses
> would have arisen.  I say make it open now, under something like an Open
> Data Commons Attribution License.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 10 December 2015, Maderik, Rachel A wrote:
>
> > Just a warning about OCLC's xID API: a few weeks ago I requested an
> access token to bypass the rate limit, and was told that they are no longer
> giving these out. I was also told that the data in xID has not been updated
> for some time (I don't know when they stopped, but I think the rep told me
> it was at least a year out of date). It was very disappointing to learn
> this; if the project is essentially dead, this fact should be advertised
> (at the very least, they should take down the pricing list!).
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf
> > Of William Denton
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 5:40 PM
> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Matching print and electronic editions of the
> > same book
> >
> > Thanks!  That opens things up.  We do have a lot of OCLC numbers.  For
> > my example book, there's an 035 with three of them, including
> > 841051199. If I look at
> >
> > http://worldcat.org/oclc/841051199
> >
> > it takes me to the human-readable page, but
> >
> > http://worldcat.org/oclc/841051199.rdf
> >
> > shows it all in RDF, and I can see a lot of things like
> >
> >  > rdf:about="http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/1613596711#
> > Place/japan">
> >
> > so I can pick out the work ID and look it up.  (Perhaps the work ID be
> > specified directly there?)
> >
> > So that would work, but aha, I just noticed I could make it a little
> simpler by using xOCLCNUM to get the work ID, which is the owi field here:
> >
> > http://xisbn.worldcat.org/webservices/xid/oclcnum/841051199?method=get
> > Metadata=json=*
> >
> > And then I can go to
> >
> > http://experiment.worldcat.org/entity/work/data/1613596711.rdf
> >
> > and get all the workExample links, and use those OCLC numbers.
> >
> > (Which I'm sure you knew, Roy, but perhaps didn't mention because of
> > the rate-limiting, but as far as I know our subscription means I can
> > get an access token so I can do some larger queries.)
> >
> > A first run of something like this would take a while to process
> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Get It Services / Cart

[Ross Singer]

Actually it doesn't seem like a terribly obvious use case: how would a user
be in a position to send multiple things for enrichment? What happens after
they're enriched?

Ümlaut seems kind of a perfect intermediary for this, but you'll need to
work out the before and after (mainly the use case!)

-Ross.

On Friday, March 6, 2015, Smith, Steelsen steelsen.sm...@yale.edu wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm new to this list, so if there are any conventions I'm ignoring I'd
 appreciate someone letting me know.

 I'm working on a project to allow requests that will go to multiple
 systems to be aggregated in a requesting interface. It would be implemented
 as an independent application, allow a shopping list of items to be
 added, and be able to perform some back end business logic (availability
 checking, metadata enrichment, etc.).

 This seems like a very common use case so I'm surprised that I've had
 trouble finding anyone who has published an application that works like
 this - the closest I've found being Umlaut which doesn't seem to support
 multiple simultaneous requesting (although I couldn't get as far as
 request in any sample system to be certain). Is anyone on the list aware
 of such a project?

 Thanks,
 Steelsen



 ___
 Steelsen Smith
 Fulfillment Systems Specialist
 Enterprise Systems Group
 Yale Library IT
 203.432.

Re: [CODE4LIB] linked data question

[Ross Singer]

We have taken a somewhat different approach to how we manage our RDF data:
after years of using a native triple store, we found that it was actually
extremely impractical for the way we actually used our data. Triple stores
are fine for ad-hoc queries over arbitrary data, but that didn't reflect
our usage. Our schema, while flexible, was still predefined and our joins
were always on the same properties.

We found it made a lot more sense to store all of our data about a given
subject (concise bounded descriptions) as a document in a document-style
database (we use MongoDB). This took care of our SPARQL DESCRIBE queries.

However, since majority of the data we use are the equivalent of a SPARQL
CONSTRUCT made up of fixed joins over these CBD graphs, we decided to cache
these joined documents as their own documents in a read-only cache
collection, which we refer to as views.  Then, if any of the CBD graphs
change, we invalidate the view and rebuild the cache documents.

I think this usage pattern would also pretty closely reflect how a linked
library data system might work, as well. The data doesn't actually change
all that much, and there will likely be very few ad hoc queries.

This also addresses a problem in the suggestion that Jeff made regarding
using your own URIs with 3rd party data: it gets pretty complicated to
manage changes to the graph in this scenario. By storing the original CBDs
as is, and generating graphs with your URIs over the external data as a
view, it's far easier to isolate what gets changed with particular updates
(not to mention that large data updates from various sources in a native
triple store is painful).

You can take a look at what we wrote if you want more details:
https://github.com/talis/tripod-php

This still doesn't address how to deal with keeping your local copy of the
external data up to date, and I don't know that there are a lot of good or
standard answers to that yet. That said, I think it's a solvable problem:
we just haven't gotten to that scale yet.

-Ross.
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015, Mixter,Jeff mixt...@oclc.org wrote:

 There are a few issue here that might need to be parsed out. The first is
 indexing Linked Data. It seems to make sense from a performance perspective
 to have a local index for the URIs and their names. For example

 http://viaf.org/viaf/102333412 name: Austen, Jane

 Pretend 'name' is an index field and the URI is the index key or ID. If
 you are using a Lucene index, you can imagine having multiple names based
 on language variation, preferred label variation (i.e. 'Austen, Jane,
 1775-1817') etc.

 Another issue has to do with what is cached in the index. I would argue
 that nothing other then the lookup values should be cached. The system
 should go off the the key/ID (i.e. the URI) and fetch the data from it.
 This is important because data can change all the time and you do not want
 to rely on having to download monthly data dumps to rebuild your index.
 Plus the idea of data dumps stands in opposition to the idea of Linked Data
 and the Web (i.e. its on the Web for a reason and that is to be accessed on
 the Web not downloaded and stored in a silo).

 The third issue has to do with using VIAF URIs or coining your own local
 URIs. This is a bit of a toss up but I would argue that it would be better
 if you could coin your own URI and simply use a sameAs link to other
 entities, such as VIAF, LCSH, FAST etc. This would allow you to have a
 localized world-view of the entity. Or, to explain it better, it would
 allow you to put a localized lens on the entity and show things like how
 does this entity relate to other things that I have, know about, vend to
 patrons, etc.  There are also practice reasons for this. If I see a
 hot-link in my local Library OPAC for 'Jane Austen' I expect to stay within
 my local OPAC domain when I click on it. I do not want to be taken out to
 VIAF or another place. The reason for clicking it is to learn about it
 within the context of what I am doing on that website. Finally, coining
 your own URI allows you provide people with a bookmark-able URL. That is
 important for search engine visibility.

 The last issue would require the index example above to not have a VIAF
 URI but rather a local URI that could be retrieved from a local Triple
 Store. In the store you could provide sameAs links to VIAF as well as
 localized information about the entity such as what he/she has authored
 that you current have available.

 Thanks,

 Jeff Mixter
 Research Support Specialist
 OCLC Research
 614-761-5159
 mixt...@oclc.org javascript:;

 
 From: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:; on
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 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 3:09 PM
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 Yes, I would expect each organization to fetch linked data resources 

Re: [CODE4LIB] lita

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Cindi Blyberg cindi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Based on previous experience, I doubt this truly captures whether someone
 thinks of themselves as a librarian.  I've always found those categories
 arbitrary (an MLS does not a librarian make) and sometimes divisive.

An MLS might not a librarian make, but you generally cannot get a job as one 
without it.

And if you’re not actually a librarian, I’m not sure why you’re calling 
yourself one, unless we’re talking shorthand in lieu of boring people to death 
about what you do for a living (which I’ve certainly used in the past). But I 
don’t think that would apply in the context of ALA.

-Ross.
 
 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Andreas Orphanides akorp...@ncsu.edu
 wrote:
 
 There's a different dues schedule for librarians (-slash-certification
 required-slash-managerial) and support staff, so along that dimension it
 presumably gets tracked, at the very least.
 
 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Cindi Blyberg cindi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Honestly, I don't know if ALA tracks whether people have an MLS/related
 degree or if that's self-selected.  I know folks who call themselves
 librarians but who aren't degreed--those would be self-selected.
 
 I'll see if we can find this out--I'm curious!
 
 -Cindi (wearing my LITA hat)
 
 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Haitz, Lisa (haitzlm) 
 hait...@ucmail.uc.edu wrote:
 
 I'd be curious about something: how many LITA members are not
 librarians?
 I work in a library as a web developer, which includes a medical
 library,
 but I don’t have an MLS. So, question: is the  Code4Lib list more open
 to
 technical folks, but not necessarily librarians?
 
 Lisa Haitz
 University of Cincinnati Libraries
 
 
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)

[Ross Singer]

I guess there’s “what do you mean by ‘C4L'” and “what do you mean by 
‘standards’” that need to be clarified here.

Cary is right, this list/community/whatever is definitely well represented by 
people who sit on formal standards committees or are involved in the 
organizations that create them, etc.

But I think more important is the “what do you mean by ‘standards’” question: 
C4L has definitely spawned several specifications (COinS, UnAPI, etc.) and (in 
my mind) has been under-utilized in this arena for a few years.  You’ve got a 
gathering of smart, like-minded people: if you want to create a spec, solicit 
your idea, start a mailing list, follow the ROGUE ’05 rules [1], and let a 
thousand specifications bloom.

We’re generally in need of a spec, not a standard, I’ve found (although they’re 
definitely not mutually exclusive!).

-Ross.
1. http://wiki.code4lib.org/Rogue

On Oct 7, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Salazar, Christina christina.sala...@csuci.edu 
wrote:

 OH NO! (shudder) I’m pretty sure no one is suggesting a formalized c4l 
 AGAIN - we've been there done that, relatively recently too.
 
 I think what we're talking about is a way to represent c4l interests in 
 standards making bodies.
 
 And just for my own edification, if you're saying c4l IS represented in 
 standards making bodies, please tell me who do I talk to? For instance on the 
 RFID thing, who can I talk to in order to find out HOW and IF this 
 conversation is happening with American standards making bodies?
 
 Or do you mean INDIVIDUALS who participate in c4l are represented in 
 standards making bodies?
 
 Christina
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
 Francis Kayiwa
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Forwarding blog post: Apple, Android and NFC – how 
 should libraries prepare? (RFID stuffs)
 
 On 10/07/2014 02:03 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
 
 
 
  NISO (and LITA, ASIST,
 etc.) are quite well represented on this list, and I don't believe 
 that a formalized c4l would give us any more say in standards that we have 
 already.
 
 +1
 
 
 ./fxk
 
 
 --
 You single-handedly fought your way into this hopeless mess.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Technology for Librarians / Libraries for Technologians

[Ross Singer]

On Sep 4, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think some of these issues are distractions as they aren't specific to
 libraries, aren't really different than any IT work involving private
 information (i.e. virtually all IT work), and don't require library
 expertise to understand. However, on the question of whether the job of
 Director of Library IT is more about librarianship or IT, I'd always
 assumed the former is the case.
 
 Library IT needs to leverage library specific knowledge/technologies to
 perform functions that plain IT cannot if the cost of an independent IT
 unit is to be justified. Everyone relates to public search interfaces, but
 there's an entire infrastructure that makes a combination of licensed,
 purchased, locally created, and borrowed resources with differential access
 for various user groups (some of them external) possible.
 
 Knowledge of formats, protocols, standards, and common practices is
 helpful, but understanding business needs that are common to libraries but
 not really thought of elsewhere is also essential.  If we mostly duplicate
 commodity functions that are already performed elsewhere, we just set
 ourselves up to be outsourced.
 

Yes.  Exactly.  This is the sort of distinction you should be expecting from 
your vendors, as well, btw.

Although, at the same time, there’s a balance.  The “unique snowflake” 
mentality has just as often been used to disregard trends and technologies from 
outside libraries.

You want an understanding of library needs, workflows, and culture without any 
navel gazing.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] College Question!

[Ross Singer]

If you want to be a systems librarian, I wouldn't bother with the MLIS,
honestly.  Yes, it's still a requirement on a lot of job postings _now_,
but more and more that's being dropped from systems roles in lieu of
relevant experience.

The other sad reality is that an entry level systems librarian position
probably makes less than a developer or sysadmin position in the same
department.

Fwiw, I have no masters in anything, a BA in theatre (the BEST degree, but
that's another thread), and have worked in library technology
professionally for 20 years (oh, hey there, ravages of time).  While not
having an MLIS has kept me out of consideration for some jobs in the past,
almost all of them just wanted a masters in _something_, which, in that
case, get a masters in CS or CE.

-Ross.
On May 28, 2014 11:18 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote:

 I was curious about the type of degrees people had. I am heading off to
 college next year (class of 2015) and am trying to figure out what to major
 in. I want to be a systems librarian, but I can't tell what to major in! I
 wanted to hear about what paths people took and how they ended up where
 they are now.

 BTW Y'All at NC State need a better tour bus driver (not the c4l tour, the
 admissions tour) ;) the bus ride was like a rickety roller coaster...   

 Also, if you know of any scholarships please let me know ;) you would be
 my BFF :P


 Riley Childs
 Student
 Asst. Head of IT Services
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 (704) 497-2086
 RileyChilds.net
 Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes

Re: [CODE4LIB] Jobs Digest - I definitely didn't rip off someone else's job posting

[Ross Singer]

THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE AGREED TO
On May 29, 2014 7:38 AM, Andreas Orphanides akorp...@ncsu.edu wrote:

 YAY FULL JOB POSTINGS


 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:40 PM, BWS Johnson abesottedphoe...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  Research Analyst I
  Royt's Treehouse
 
  The prestigious Tennant's Treehouse is accepting applications for the
  position of Research Analyst I for the Juniper Club Library. A
  collaborative position in nature, the Research Analyst I will indenture
  themselves to the library duhrector artisanally collecting redundant data
  via Diebold-O-Tron. The Research Analyst I will be abused at any given
  opportunity, be paid only in hard liquor, maintain all digital object
  collections, regardless of relevance or irrelevance of said collection
 and
  shepherd digital humanities projects, whatevertheheckthoseare.
 
 
  The successful candidate will have 17 years experience in Koha despite
  this being an entry level position that only freshly minted graduates may
  apply to and that proficiency not possibly existing in this reality,
  archiving meaningless discussion threads, ragging on royt at any given
  opportunity, and collating mimeographs since we forgot to take this out
 of
  our job description sometime when MARC was merely a glimmer in a data
  nerd's eye. None of these skills relate in the slightest to counting
 votes,
  but that's what HR told us, and ours is not to reason why.
 
  We will not tell you where Royt's Treehouse is located since you are
 meant
  to already know. As with conference, you were meant to apply for this
 post
  prior to it making the rounds in your hemisphere, so if you are located
  outside of the continental United States, too damn bad.
 
  For further information, feel free to contact abesottedphoe...@yahoo.com
 ,
  where your email will fester in a pile since your résumé will be thrown
 out
  for having a funny name or not matching spurious keywords.
 
  All applicants are REQUIRED to have a beating a dead horse Code{4}Lib
  t-shirt.
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Ross Singer RE: [CODE4LIB] Jobs Digest

[Ross Singer]

Rosy, don't turn off the poll; it will cause more confusion to move to
diebold-o-tron than it's worth.

After all, you didn't ask to be princess, but if the tiara fits...

-Ross.


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Riley Childs ri...@tfsgeo.com wrote:

 Keep the tiara (good effort), but rather then have a ton of desperate
 polls (maybe exaggerating), we might want to have a central archive of the
 results. This I a big decision (at least I think it is) but the voting
 machine is there for stuff like this.
 Just my $0.02...
 //Riley

 Riley Childs
 Student
 Asst. Head of IT Services
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 (704) 497-2086
 RileyChilds.net
  Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes

 -Original Message-
 From: Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com
 Sent: ‎5/‎28/‎2014 7:18 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Ross Singer RE: [CODE4LIB] Jobs Digest

 sigh.

 if we really think a die-bold-a-tron for this is necessary i'll turn off
 the survey and i'll give back my tiara.


 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 wrote:

  +1
 
  Riley Childs
  Student
  Asst. Head of IT Services
  Charlotte United Christian Academy
  (704) 497-2086
  RileyChilds.net
  Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes
  
  From: Doran, Michael Dmailto:do...@uta.edu
  Sent: ‎5/‎28/‎2014 4:53 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Ross Singer RE: [CODE4LIB] Jobs Digest
 
  I would request a third option in the poll(s):
 
  [ ] I prefer to receive both the old and new formats of job emails
 
  (And no, this isn't a joke.  I mainly like the old, individual format;
  however I also like the digest offering a quick glance at where the jobs
  are geographically and getting the digests means only one additional
 email
  a day, and I can live with that.)
 
  -- Michael
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf
 Of
   Riley Childs
   Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:43 PM
   To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
   Subject: [CODE4LIB] Ross Singer RE: [CODE4LIB] Jobs Digest
  
   Yes a poll is great, but it needs to be done though the die-bold-a
 tron,
   Ross Singer can set it up...
  
   Reason we like to do it though our system because then we are able to
   view community consensus and plus this is how it is always done.
  
   Thanks!
   //Riley
  
   Riley Childs
   Student
   Asst. Head of IT Services
   Charlotte United Christian Academy
   (704) 497-2086
   RileyChilds.net
   Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes
   
   From: Rosalyn Metzmailto:rosalynm...@gmail.com
   Sent: ‎5/‎28/‎2014 4:30 PM
   To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
   Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Jobs Digest
  
   a tiara!  i'm so on that.
  
  
   On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Valerie Forrestal 
   valerie.forres...@csi.cuny.edu wrote:
  
god bless you rosy metz. if you give me your address
   (bitly.com/TiaraMe)
i will gladly send you a tiara for your good deed.
   
~val
   
   
Valerie Forrestal
Web Services Librarian/Asst. Professor
City University of New York
College of Staten Island Library
2800 Victory Blvd., 1L-109I
Staten Island, N.Y. 10314
Phone: 718.982.4023
valerie.forres...@csi.cuny.edu
   
On 5/28/2014 1:34 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
   
I created a poll so this never ending thread will finally end.
   Although
I'm
sure someone will complain about the poll and so the thread will
 live
   on.
   
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5HRS8KJ
   
Y'all have a week to complete it (poll closes around midnight
 pacific)
   at
which point I will post the results and the listserv will rejoice in
consensus.
   
Happy poll taking!
Rosy
   
   
   
   
   
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Tania Fersenheim 
  tan...@brandeis.edu
wrote:
   
 +1 vote for a poll
   
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Valerie Forrestal
valerie.forres...@csi.cuny.edu wrote:
   
lord help us all can someone just set up an online poll and we can
   be
done with it?
   
Valerie Forrestal
Web Services Librarian/Asst. Professor
City University of New York
College of Staten Island Library
2800 Victory Blvd., 1L-109I
Staten Island, N.Y. 10314
Phone: 718.982.4023
valerie.forres...@csi.cuny.edu
   
   
On 5/28/2014 11:48 AM, Matthew McKinley wrote:
   
+1 for new format. Title, location  keywords are MUCH more
 helpful
   for
quickly perusing jobs than full job description (which is readily
available
by following the link), and less clutter as a bonus.
   
   
   
   
*Matthew McKinley Digital Project Specialist, University of
   California,
Irvine http://www.uci.edu/**about.me
http://www.about.me/matthewmckinley

Re: [CODE4LIB] distributed responsibility for web content

[Ross Singer]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.comwrote:

 designate someone to be the copy editor,


Well, I kind of got the impression from the original question that this was
kind of out of the question.

However, I think it might be useful to look at development practices for a
solution: for example, we don't merge anything to master that hasn't been
code reviewed (well, that's not 100% true, but anything of significance),
it seems like something similar could exist for your web content.  Nothing
goes live without being peer reviewed and it's up to the author to get a
reviewer if they want to release the content, which at least then makes
multiple parties responsible for what goes up.  People can still abuse the
system, but that's a human management issue, at that point, not a
technological one.

-Ross.

From: Nathan Rogersmailto:nrog...@unithq.com
 Sent: ‎4/‎17/‎2014 10:16 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] distributed responsibility for web content

 It sounds like what you need to do is a bit of guerrilla education for
 people on good methods of writing for the web versus things that are not
 appropriate for a professional setting. I have dealt with (and still am) a
 similar situation. The best approach I find is often to do a better version
 without stomping on their changes, talk to them, and explain why it is a
 better approach. Eventually if you are lucky they will have that ‘Aha’
 moment.

 On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
 wrote:

  Simon LeFranc wrote:
  There is no one person in the organization with the time or authority
 to act as editorial overseer. What are some techniques for ensuring that
 the site maintains a clean, professional appearance?
 
 
  Give up and let chaos reign supreme?
 
  Miles Fidelman
 
  --
  In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
  In practice, there is.    Yogi Berra

Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?

[Ross Singer]

http://vote.code4lib.org/election/30

Runs until next Monday at ~11:45PM PDT

-Ross.

On Mar 31, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Sarah Shealy sarah.she...@outlook.com wrote:

 Anyone know how to do that? I could make that Google survey, but the 
 Diboldatron is beyond me.
 
 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 12:01:11 -0400
 From: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 
 Well we need to setup the Die-bold a torn
 
 On 3/31/14, 8:38 AM, Sarah Shealy sarah.she...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I think we can go ahead with the 3 we have. Next meeting can be somewhere
 different.
 
 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 08:14:34 -0400
 From: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 
 -1 Please no, not saying anything, but please no
 
 On 3/31/14, 7:45 AM, Simon Spero sesunc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bob Jones University library?
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Andreas Orphanides
 akorp...@ncsu.eduwrote:
 
 Be sure to specify WHICH Greenville. Greenville NC isn't exactly
 central,
 but people might not be paying attention.
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Riley Childs
 rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 wrote:
 Charlotte
 
 Riley can do some arranging.
 
 Columbia
 
 Sarah can do some arranging.
 
 Greenville
 
 Like Ross, I'd also be interested in this (as it's close to me),
 but
 do we have anyone on the ground there willing to organize this?  If
 not, I'd say our choices are Columbia and Greenville.  Yay for
 voting!
 
 Kevin
 
 
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?

[Ross Singer]

On Mar 31, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com wrote:

 rsinger++
 
 Runs until next Monday at ~11:45PM PDT
 
 Though I am a bit curious why an East coast meeting gets a PDT deadline...  
 :-)

Well, that's because that's where my shared hosting server is and I'm too lazy 
to do the math.

-Ross.
 
 Kevin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?

[Ross Singer]

I can set up diebold-o-tron ballot, if we have some candidates.

(I'd also probably be in for Greeneville or vicinity).

-Ross.

On Friday, March 28, 2014, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote:

 Does anyone know how to setup a vote?

 Riley Childs
 Student
 Asst. Head of IT Services
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 (704) 497-2086
 RileyChilds.net
 Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes
 
 From: Sarah Shealymailto:sarah.she...@outlook.com javascript:;
 Sent: ‎3/‎28/‎2014 8:46 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?

 I think before you reserve a room we should at least find out who would be
 willing to go to Charlotte vs somewhere else. We don't really need a
 consensus but if 2 people want to go to one place and 8 want to go some
 other place that should at least be taken into consideration.

 Sent from my iPad

  On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 wrote:
 
  I now just need a Timeframe
 
  Riley Childs
  Student
  Asst. Head of IT Services
  Charlotte United Christian Academy
  (704) 497-2086
  RileyChilds.net
  Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes
  
  From: Sarah Shealymailto:sarah.she...@outlook.com
  Sent: ‎3/‎28/‎2014 7:37 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
 
  I can get a room in the library where I work too, in Columbia. Or
 It-ology or the SOCO coworking center (maybe on that one).
 
  It would be easier for me to have it in Columbia, where I live, planning
 wise. But if someone in Charlotte wants to set it up, I'm willing to just
 help out.
 
  Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 22:18:27 +
  From: sforr...@bcgov.net
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 
  A Swedish meatball fan then?
 
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
 
 
  Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote:
 
  I can get us a room at a library near Ikea...
 
  Riley Childs
  Junior
  IT Admin
  email: rchi...@cucawarriors.com
  office: +1 (704) 537-0031 x101
  cell: +1 (704) 497-2086
 
  Please Think Before Hitting Reply All
  I Do Web Design! RileyChilds.net/services
  
  From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Sarah
 Shealy [sarah.she...@outlook.com]
  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:09 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
 
  I do love a good Ikea trip!
 
  Georgians, Virginians, Tennesseans are all welcome. Anyone else as
 well. Maybe it'll be a Southeast Regional.
 
  Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:35:07 -0400
  From: akorp...@ncsu.edu
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 
  Profounder words have never been spoken.
 
  ikea++
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Riley Childs 
 rchi...@cucawarriors.comwrote:
 
  My vote is Ikea :) but I am open
 
  Riley Childs
  Student
  Asst. Head of IT Services
  Charlotte United Christian Academy
  (704) 497-2086
  RileyChilds.net
  Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistake
 www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 http://www.beaufortcountylibrary.orghttp://www.beaufortcountylibrary.org
 
  For Leisure - For Learning - For Life
  
  From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of
 Kevin
  S.
  Clarke [kscla...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:21 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Carolina Regional Group?
 
  I'd be interested in a regional meetup anywhere near NC/SC.
 
  Kevin
 
  On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Riley Childs 
 rchi...@cucawarriors.com
 
  wrote:
  I live in Charlotte, but would trudge out to SCŠ
 
  //Riley
 
  On 3/28/14, 12:31 PM, Sarah Shealy sarah.she...@outlook.com
 wrote:
 
  I'm in Columbia as well Colin, so at the very least we can do a
  Columbia
  meetup.
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Mar 28, 2014, at 12:01 PM, WILDER, COLIN 
  wilde...@mailbox.sc.edu
 
  wrote:
 
  Sarah et al.,
 
  I wasn't able to get up to the conference. I work at USC and
 would be
  interested in a regional group. My sense is that there would be
  sufficient interest to make what you suggest a reality. Happy to
 help.
 
  -Colin Wilder, Center for Digital Humanities at the University of
  South
  Carolina
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Dress

[Ross Singer]

While certainly every conference attendee's thoughts are of Who is he or
she wearing?, it's not uncommon for delegates to opt for a sporty and
sassy pret-a-porter look from Levi Strauss, perhaps paired with a top from
American Apparel. Depending on the weather or temperature at the conference
center, some may wish to add a fleece shell to present an air that there
might be more to them than what you see on Github. Others go with a smart
cardigan, a look certainly intended as an homage to the latter half of the
conference name.

-Ross.

On Saturday, March 22, 2014, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote:

 I hate to sound all pompous, but what does the avg. Conference attendee
 wear.

 Riley Childs
 Student
 Asst. Head of IT Services
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 (704) 497-2086
 RileyChilds.net
 Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes

Re: [CODE4LIB] Reminder: Send in your questions for Valerie!

[Ross Singer]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 We will also be distributing index cards at the event and monitoring the
 Twitter stream (not IRC!) for questions as well


You've changed, man.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question About Code4Lib 2014 Streaming

[Ross Singer]

Vine or GTFO.

-Ross.

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote:

 It零  will be recoreded an streamed in 15 sec intervals on instagram ;P

 On 3/19/14, 10:41 AM, Michael Schofield mschofi...@nova.edujavascript:;
 wrote:

 It's the video feed with some sort of instafilter set to dubsteb. dub4lib.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;]
 On Behalf Of
 Roy Tennant
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:12 AM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question About Code4Lib 2014 Streaming
 
 So...there's an unofficial stream? I can't wait to see that one...
 Roy
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Riley Childs
 rchi...@cucawarriors.com javascript:;wrote:
 
  http://YouTube.com/Code4Lib is the official stream.
 
  Riley Childs
  Junior
  IT Admin
  email: rchi...@cucawarriors.com javascript:;
  office: +1 (704) 537-0031 x101
  cell: +1 (704) 497-2086
 
  Please Think Before Hitting Reply All
  I Do Web Design! RileyChilds.net/services
  
  From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;] On
 Behalf Of
  Matthew Sherman [matt.r.sher...@gmail.com javascript:;]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:19 AM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
  Subject: [CODE4LIB] Question About Code4Lib 2014 Streaming
 
  I figure I should ask for those of us who sadly cannot make it this
  year, where will we be able to find the streaming of the conference?
  Thanks for everyone who is putting in the hard-work to put on the
  conference.
 
  Matt Sherman
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Welcome to Roy4Lib

[Ross Singer]

When you're alone and you think you hear the tinkling of ice cubes in a
glass and the faint smell of Scotch,

that was Roy.

That person building a treehouse as you drive past,

that was Roy.

Out of the corner of your eye, there was a mustached man,

that was Roy.

When you delete a MARC record,

you are the Roy.

-Ross.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:33 AM, McAulay, Elizabeth 
emcau...@library.ucla.edu wrote:

 we have all met Roy, search your feelings, you know it to be true.

 
 From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Barnes,
 Hugh [hugh.bar...@lincoln.ac.nz]
 Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:51 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Welcome to Roy4Lib

 And vegetarians, and Mormons, and folks who never met Roy :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Riley Childs
 Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2014 4:28 p.m.
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Welcome to Roy4Lib

 Just a reminder there are minors on this listserv ;P

 Riley Childs
 Student
 Asst. Head of IT Services
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 (704) 497-2086
 RileyChilds.net
 Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes
 
 From: Wilhelmina Randtkemailto:rand...@gmail.com
 Sent: 2/24/2014 10:24 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Welcome to Roy4Lib

 My neighbor made this bacon vodka, and it was amazing
 http://www.instructables.com/id/Bacon-Infused-Vodka/

 -Wilhelmina Randtke

 On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Michael J. Giarlo 
 leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
  Bacon being cooked in a liquor store?  Wow, California is awesome.
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  That would make sense, but I think in this particular instance I was
  watching bacon being cooked.
  Roy
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Michael J. Giarlo 
  leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
 
   Clearly taken in the liquor store.
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Cindi Trainor Blyberg
   cindi...@gmail.comwrote:
  
Well, I do like the photo that Roy uses everywhere, but I have to
say I like this one better:
   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23341397@N00/3769032245
   
   
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Roy roy.zim...@wmich.edu wrote:
   
 Hmm. Call it roys4lib.org and put pictures of all the list's
 Roys on there...
 Mr. Tennant's picture would have to be first, of course, and be
 the biggest.



 On 2/21/2014 6:51 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:

 so tempted to buy roy4lib.org and put up a glass of scotch
 there.


 On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Edward M Corrado 
   ecorr...@ecorrado.us
 wrote:

  Roy4lib has consumed to much Scotch - after all, it is Friday.

 --
 Edward M. Corrado

 On Feb 21, 2014, at 18:13, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  roy4lib.org is ALWAYS down. I mean, it just makes too much
 sense
   for
it

 to

 be in any other state.
 Roy


 On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
   rosalynm...@gmail.com

 wrote:

 it appears that roy4lib.org is also down


 On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy 
 frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote:

  Welcome to the Roy4Lib discussion list. This list is
 intended to
 facilitate discussion on Roy Tennant's new world library
 order,
   the

 role

 of bacon (including kosher and vegetarian based varieties)
 in this
 context, and the long, long, long, long, long drawn out
 death of
MARC.

 If you believe you have subscribed to this list in error,
 please
email

 the

 admin at r...@roy4lib.org.


 --
 --

 Jeremy Frumkin
 Assistant Dean / Chief Technology Strategist University of
 Arizona Libraries

 +1 520.626.7296
 frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu
 --
 -- Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more
 complex...
   It

 takes

 a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the
 opposite
 direction. - Albert Einstein


   
  
 

 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org down

[Ross Singer]

But what is the status of roy4lib.org?

-Ross.

On Friday, February 21, 2014, Wick, Ryan ryan.w...@oregonstate.edu wrote:

 We should be back up now.

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;]
 On Behalf Of Rosalyn Metz
 Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:19 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org down

 :(

Re: [CODE4LIB] how to unsubscribe this list?

[Ross Singer]

Move over, Worldcat, I want something leaner!

-Ross.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://bacolicio.us/http://oclc.org/en-US/home.html


 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote:

  On the contrary, this discussion list has the OCLC Bacon Stamp of
 Approval.
  Carry on!
  Roy
 
 
  On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Michael J. Giarlo 
  leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
 
   That's not what I heard Roy Tennant saying.
   ಠ_ಠ
  
   -Mike
  
  
  
   On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu
   wrote:
  
 So, we're shutting it [Code4Lib] down?
   
We interrupt this program for an important statement:
   
  Before things get out of hand and rumors start flying, there are
  no plans about shutting down the mailing list. An individual
  simply wanted to be unsubscribed, and that has been done.
   
Now back to our original programming.
   
—
ELM
   
  
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] EZProxy changes / alternatives ?

[Ross Singer]

Not only that, but it's also expressly designed for the purpose of reverse
proxying subscription databases in a library environment.  There are tons
of things vendors do that would be incredibly frustrating to get working
properly in Squid, nginx, or Apache that have already been solved by
EZProxy.  Which is self-fulfilling: vendors then cater to what EZProxy does
(rather than improving access to their resources).

Art Rhyno used to say that the major thing that was inhibiting the
widespread adoption of Shibboleth was how simple and cheap EZProxy was.  I
think there is a lot of truth to that.

-Ross.


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote:

  EZproxy is a self-installing statically compiled single binary download,
  with a built-in administrative interface that makes most common
  administrative tasks point-and-click, that works on Linux and Windows
  systems, and requires very little in the way of resources to run.  It
 also
  has a library of a few hundred vendor stanzas that can be copied and
 pasted
  and work the majority of the time.
 
  To successfully replace EZproxy in this setting, it would need to be
  packaged in such a way that it is equally easy to install and maintain,
 and
  the library of vendor stanzas would need to be developed as apache conf.d
  files.
 

 This. The real gain with EZProxy is that configuring it is crazy easy. You
 just drop it in and run it -- it's feasible for someone with no experience
 in proxying or systems administration to get it operational in a few
 minutes. That is why I think virtualizing a system that makes accessing the
 more powerful features of EZProxy easy is a good alternative.

 kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] EZProxy changes / alternatives ?

[Ross Singer]

This is amazing!

Maybe a github repo for config blocks is in order?  I figure the only way
to work out the myriad kinks in this would be scale.

-Ross.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Andrew Anderson and...@lirn.net wrote:

 When OCLC first announced their purchase of EZproxy, we started a low
 priority research project to see what the alternatives were a few years
 ago, and what it would take to bring them into a production ready state.
  The two open source solutions we evaluated were Squid and Apache HTTPd.
  We considered other options (e.g. Apache Traffic Server), but limited the
 research to these two pieces of software since they are already widely used
 and familiar to most system administrators.

 Long story short, Squid did not support URL rewriting in a way that we
 felt would be able to be supported well, between requiring patches to the
 core C++ server code, or an external rewriting processes, or an ICAP server
 implementation.  Some of that has improved a bit since the original
 evaluation, but the built-in support for URL rewriting may still need some
 time to mature.  Another aspect of Squid that did not seem to be a good fit
 was that it is somewhat limited in its authentication mechanisms vs Apache
 HTTPd.

 So we moved on to evaluating Apache HTTPd with the mod_proxy family of
 modules.  While Apache HTTPd does not support the advanced cache federation
 features as Squid, it has grown to be a robust proxy solution in its own
 right, and the 2.4 release appears to have all of the required pieces out
 of the box, with the mod_proxy_html module functionality.  In addition to
 basic URL rewriting support, you get full HTTP protocol support, mature
 IPv6 support, GZIP support, just about any authentication mechanism you
 need, a server that you can self-host content with easily, as well as a
 built-in HTTP object cache.

 How would it work?

 Here's the current EZproxy stanza for ProQuest:

 HTTPHeader X-Requested-With
 HTTPHeader Accept-Encoding
 Title ProQuest
 URL http://search.proquest.com/ip
 DJ proquest.com
 HJ gateway.proquest.com
 DJ umi.com
 HJ fedsearch.proquest.com
 HJ literature.proquest.com
 DJ conquest-leg-insight.com
 DJ conquestsystems.com
 DJ m.search.proquest.com
 DJ media.proquest.com
 NeverProxy order.proquest.com
 NeverProxy rss.proquest.com

 Here's an Apache HTTPd configuration using ProQuest that accomplishes much
 of the same functionality for the main search.proquest.com interface:

 VirtualHost _default_:80
  ServerName search.proquest.com.fqdn

  ProxyRequests Off
  ProxyVia On

  RewriteEngine On
  RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://search.proquest.com/$1 [P]

  Location /
   AllowMethods GET POST OPTIONS
   ProxyPassReverse http://search.proquest.com/
   ProxyPassReverseCookieDomain search.proquest.comsearch.proquest.com.fqdn
   CacheEnable disk
   SetOutputFilter INFLATE;DEFLATE
   Header Append Vary User-Agent env=!dont-vary
   # Put Authentication directives here
   ErrorDocument 401 /path/to/login
   Require Valid-User
  /Location
 /virtualHost

 A few notes on this:

 - There is no need for NeverProxy: if you do not define a VirtualHost for
 the hostname, it is not proxied.  So instead of HJ and DJ lines, you add a
 new VirtualHost block for each hostname that needs to be proxied.  The
 astute will ask what about services that have dozens or hundreds of host
 entries, like Sage?  Those can be handled by the ProxyExpress features in
 Apache HTTPd.

 - There is no need for HTTPHeader: since Apache HTTPd is a full HTTP
 proxy/server, it supports all HTTP headers natively.

 - Some of the hostnames that are in EZproxy stanzas are not needed, and
 some are legacy hostnames that are no longer used by the vendor

 - Some of the hostnames that are in EZproxy stanzas are for CDN hosted
 content that requires no special access (e.g. JavaScript/CSS/graphics
 assets that make up the vendor's user interface).  Another example: how
 many of you have DJ google.com in one of your stanzas? Now how many of
 you registered your IP addresses with Google in any way?  Outside of Google
 Scholar, I suspect the answer to those questions are nearly everyone and
 nearly no one, respectively.

 - Some of the hostnames are for things that no sane person would do: How
 many people run their discovery services through their EZproxy server vs.
 authenticating their discovery platform by IP address with vendors directly?

 - Something that this configuration does that EZproxy does not do is
 enable object caching.  This can easily save 30-50% of your upstream
 bandwidth usage (Proxy/ProxySSL in EZproxy can achieve the same result with
 an external caching proxy server).

 - More complex vendor platforms (e.g. Gale Cengage) need ProxyHTML
 directives and ProxyHTMLURLMap configured, and multiple VirtualHost
 sections to get them fully working.  These can be a little fun to get
 working initially.

 - Some services need redirects edited to work correctly, and not break out
 of the proxy:

   

Re: [CODE4LIB] EZProxy changes / alternatives ?

[Ross Singer]

I hate to say it, but Squid will not be simple to get the kind of results 
EZProxy gets.  Shibboleth can take care of a handful (of probably some of your 
larger, more commonly accessed?) resources.  Maybe Squid can take care of the 
rest, but my guess is it's the smaller, more niche resources that are the most 
problematic.

Stuart, can you go into some more detail regarding OCLC's changes?  Is it just 
a massive price hike?  Are they egregious terms of service?

Once upon a time (pre-OCLC), EZProxy was a one-time fee, is that not the case 
anymore?  I mean, can you not just keep running the version you're currently on?

-Ross.

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:43 PM, Riley Childs rchi...@cucawarriors.com wrote:

 My solution came from Google, but it was people setting up the solution, from 
 what I can tell EZProxy had the market cornered, but Squid should be simple 
 enough to setup, and with the coming changes more people in your boat will be 
 able to solutionize!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:40 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote:
 
 I probably should have been more specific.
 
 Does anyone have experience switching from EzProxy to anything else?
 
 Is anyone else aware of the coming OCLC changes and considering switching?
 
 Does anyone have a worked example like: My EzProxy config for site Y
 looked like A; after the switch, my X config for site Z looked like B?
 
 I'm aware of this good article:
 http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/7470
 
 cheers
 stuart
 
 
 On 29/01/14 15:24, stuart yeates wrote:
 We've just received notification of forth-coming changes to EZProxy,
 which will require us to pay an arm and a leg for future versions to
 install locally and/or host with OCLC AU with a ~ 10,000km round trip.
 
 What are the alternatives?
 
 cheers
 stuart
 
 
 --
 Stuart Yeates
 Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job: Test Post at Anonymous

[Ross Singer]

HELLO, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR TELECOMMUTING.

ASKING FOR A FRIEND WITH LOTS OF EXPERIENCE AS A TEST POSTER.
-ROSS.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, j...@code4lib.org wrote:

 Test Post
 Anonymous
 New London

 This is a test post.



 Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/11613/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job: Test Post at Anonymous

[Ross Singer]

No, it's cool. I've learned about mocking objects since then.

-Ross.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am interested in the post testing job. Please send details. Do not be
 fooled by Ross Singer; he is dangerous. The last post he tested caused the
 entire 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.


 On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  HELLO, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR TELECOMMUTING.
 
  ASKING FOR A FRIEND WITH LOTS OF EXPERIENCE AS A TEST POSTER.
  -ROSS.
 
 
  On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, j...@code4lib.org wrote:
 
   Test Post
   Anonymous
   New London
  
   This is a test post.
  
  
  
   Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/11613/
  
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] transforming marc to rdf

[Ross Singer]

Eric, I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what you're hoping to get.

Going from MARC to RDF was my great white whale for years while Talis' main
business interests involved both of those (although not archival
collections).  Anything that will remodel MARC to (decent) RDF is going be:

   - Non-trivial to install
   - Non-trivial to use
   - Slow
   - Require massive amounts of memory/disk space

Choose any two.

Frankly, I don't see how you can generate RDF that anybody would want to
use from XSLT: where would your URIs come from?  What, exactly, are you
modeling?

I guess, to me, it would be a lot more helpful for you to take an archival
MARC record, and, by hand, build an RDF graph from it, then figure out your
mappings.  I just don't see any way to make it easy-to-use, at least, not
until you have an agreed upon model to map to.

-Ross.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Christian Pietsch 
chr.pietsch+web4...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Eric,

 you seem to have missed the Catmandu tutorial at SWIB13. Luckily there
 is a basic tutorial and a demo online: http://librecat.org/

 The demo happens to be about transforming MARC to RDF using the
 Catmandu Perl framework. It gives you full flexibility by separating
 the importer from the exporter and providing a domain specific
 language for “fixing” the data in between. Catmandu also has easy
 to use wrappers for popular search engines and databases (both SQL and
 NoSQL), making it a complete ETL (extract, transform, load) toolkit.

 Disclosure: I am a Catmandu contributor. It's free and open source
 software.

 Cheers,
 Christian


 On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 09:59:46PM -0500, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
  Converting MARC to RDF has been more problematic. There are various
  tools enabling me to convert my original MARC into MARCXML and/or
  MODS. After that I can reportably use a few tools to convert to RDF:
 
* MARC21slim2RDFDC.xsl [3] - functions, but even for
  my tastes the resulting RDF is too vanilla. [4]
 
* modsrdf.xsl [5] - optimal, but when I use my
  transformation engine (Saxon), I do not get XML
  but rather plain text
 
* BIBFRAME Tools [6] - sports nice ontologies, but
  the online tools won’t scale for large operations

 --
   Christian Pietsch · http://www.ub.uni-bielefeld.de/~cpietsch/
   LibTec · Library Technology and Knowledge Management
   Bielefeld University Library, Bielefeld, Germany

Re: [CODE4LIB] transforming marc to rdf

[Ross Singer]

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote:


 “There is more than one way to skin a cat.” There are advantages and
 disadvantages to every software solution.


I think what Mark and I are trying to say is that the first step to this
solution is not by applying software at existing data, but by trying to
figure out the problem you're actually trying to solve.  Any linked data
future cannot be a simple as a technologist giving some magic tool to
archivists and librarians.

You still haven't really answered my question about what you're hoping to
achieve and who stands to benefit from it.  I don't see how assigning a
bunch of arbitrary identifiers, properties, and values to a description of
a collection of archival materials (especially since you're talking about
doing this in XSLT, so your archival collections can't even really be
related to /each other/ much less anything else).

Who is going to use going to use this data?  What are they supposed to do
with it?  What will libraries and archives get from it?

I am certainly not above academic exercises (or without my own), but I
absolutely can see *no* beneficial archival linked data created simply by
pointing an XSLT at a bunch of EAD and MARCXML and I certainly can't
without a clear vision of the model that said XSLT is supposed to generate.
 The key part here is the data model, and taking a 'software
solution'-first approach does nothing to address that.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] The lie of the API

[Ross Singer]

I'm not going to defend API keys, but not all APIs are open or free.  You
need to have *some* way to track usage.

There may be alternative ways to implement that, but you can't just hand
wave away the rather large use case for API keys.

-Ross.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Kevin Ford k...@3windmills.com wrote:

 Though I have some quibbles with Seth's post, I think it's worth drawing
 attention to his repeatedly calling out API keys as a very significant
 barrier to use, or at least entry.  Most of the posts here have given
 little attention to the issue API keys present.  I can say that I have
 quite often looked elsewhere or simply stopped pursuing my idea the moment
 I discovered an API key was mandatory.

 As for the presumed difficulty with implementing content negotiation (and,
 especially, caching on top), it seems that if you can implement an entire
 system to manage assignment of and access by API key, then I do not
 understand how content negotiation and caching are significantly harder to
 implement.

 In any event, APIs and content negotiation are not mutually exclusive. One
 should be able to use the HTTP URI to access multiple representations of
 the resource without recourse to a custom API.

 Yours,
 Kevin





 On 11/29/2013 02:44 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote:

 (posted in the comments on the blog and reposted here for further
 discussion, if interest)


 While I couldn't agree more with the post's starting point -- URIs
 identify
 (concepts) and use HTTP as your API -- I couldn't disagree more with the
 use content negotiation conclusion.

 I'm with Dan Cohen in his comment regarding using different URIs for
 different representations for several reasons below.

 It's harder to implement Content Negotiation than your own API, because
 you
 get to define your own API whereas you have to follow someone else's rules
 when you implement conneg.  You can't get your own API wrong.  I agree
 with
 Ruben that HTTP is better than rolling your own proprietary API, we
 disagree that conneg is the correct solution.  The choice is between
 conneg
 or regular HTTP, not conneg or a proprietary API.

 Secondly, you need to look at the HTTP headers and parse quite a complex
 structure to determine what is being requested.  You can't just put a file
 in the file system, unlike with separate URIs for distinct representations
 where it just works, instead you need server side processing.  This also
 makes it much harder to cache the responses, as the cache needs to
 determine whether or not the representation has changed -- the cache also
 needs to parse the headers rather than just comparing URI and content.
  For
 large scale systems like DPLA and Europeana, caching is essential for
 quality of service.

 How do you find our which formats are supported by conneg? By reading the
 documentation. Which could just say add .json on the end. The Vary
 header
 tells you that negotiation in the format dimension is possible, just not
 what to do to actually get anything back. There isn't a way to find this
 out from HTTP automatically,so now you need to read both the site's docs
 AND the HTTP docs.  APIs can, on the other hand, do this.  Consider
 OAI-PMH's ListMetadataFormats and SRU's Explain response.

 Instead you can have a separate URI for each representation and link them
 with Link headers, or just a simple rule like add '.json' on the end. No
 need for complicated content negotiation at all.  Link headers can be
 added
 with a simple apache configuration rule, and as they're static are easy to
 cache. So the server side is easy, and the client side is trivial.
   Compared to being difficult at both ends with content negotiation.

 It can be useful to make statements about the different representations,
 and especially if you need to annotate the structure or content.  Or share
 it -- you can't email someone a link that includes the right Accept
 headers
 to send -- as in the post, you need to send them a command line like curl
 with -H.

 An experiment for fans of content negotiation: Have both .json and 302
 style conneg from your original URI to that .json file. Advertise both.
 See
 how many people do the conneg. If it's non-zero, I'll be extremely
 surprised.

 And a challenge: Even with libraries there's still complexity to figuring
 out how and what to serve. Find me sites that correctly implement * based
 fallbacks. Or even process q values. I'll bet I can find 10 that do
 content
 negotiation wrong, for every 1 that does it correctly.  I'll start:
 dx.doi.org touts its content negotiation for metadata, yet doesn't
 implement q values or *s. You have to go to the documentation to figure
 out
 what Accept headers it will do string equality tests against.

 Rob



 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Seth van Hooland svhoo...@ulb.ac.be
 wrote:


 Dear all,

 I guess some of you will be interested in the blogpost of my colleague

 and co-author Ruben regarding the misunderstandings on the use and 

Re: [CODE4LIB] calibr: a simple opening hours calendar

[Ross Singer]

I generally agree that hours have unnecessary complexities, I would also
say that some of that is because libraries (at least, large, research
academic libraries) are fairly complex organisms with *lots* of disparate
services.

I think it's more analogous to a shopping mall: the stores generally follow
the same pattern, but the movie theater has different hours, as does the
food court (and then the Chick-Fil-A diverges from that).  Then there are
office hours and the Sears tire department is different from other
schedules or when Lens Crafters' optometrist is open, etc.

Not to mention holiday hours (and Santa times, etc.).

So this is hardly unique to libraries, or even an edge case, but it is
unusual that we feel the need to consolidate it into a single interface.

But, yes, it would help if we didn't have a million inconsistencies in
similar service areas (again, the stores in the mall are all supposed to
keep the same hours) to make it easier to deal with the outliers.

-Ross.
On Nov 28, 2013 5:54 AM, BWS Johnson abesottedphoe...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Salvete!

   I second the policy suggestions about hours that were stated
 earlier. The simpler hours are kept, the better.

   I found myself in the position of having a Library with crazy hours
 due to budgetary and scheduling constraints. My low tech solution to that
 was to add the hours right on the back of the cards so folks would have
 that data handy. :D

 Cheers,
 Brooke

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Conference Registration

[Ross Singer]

I went to the code4lib list
To get my share of abuse

asked about the conf registration
Or any information of use

Now John, you can't always get what you want
No you can't always get what you want

But with a pull request
Or thoughts on https

You get a disturbing image of rainbows shooting from Sean Hannan's mouth

-Ross.
p.s. Mick might need to work on that last line a bit
On Nov 20, 2013 3:52 PM, John Blair john.bl...@usm.edu wrote:

 Thanks.

 As much as I love arguments about https and comparing notes on various
 pet-projects, I wish the website was a little more … put together. This
 list has added about 30-40+ mails per day to my inbox, and I'm only really
 looking for one bit of information.

 I might have written Hotel reservations will be able to be made after you
 register (sometime early-mid Janueary 2014)
 using the information provided in your registration confirmation.

 I'm hard to please. ;)

 -JLB


 On Nov 20, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:

  Registration hasn't opened yet. My guess is sometime in January which is
  when the program will be set. If you're subscribed to the list, it'll be
  hard to miss!
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:45 AM, John Blair john.bl...@usm.edu wrote:
 
  Per the website (bolding mine):
 
  Finally, the hotel has the capacity to host all of the attendees, and
  we've negotiated a rate of $159/night that includes wireless access in
 the
  hotel rooms. Hotel reservations will be able to be made after you
 register
  using the information provided in your registration confirmation. We
 will
  be publishing more details as they become available.
 
  Where? When? How? Or does registration fall under …more details…?
 
 
  -John Blair
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] linked data recipe

[Ross Singer]

That's still not a serialization.  It's just a similar data model.
 Pretty huge difference.

-Ross.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not sure that I agree that RDF is not a serialization.  It really
 depends on the context of the system and intended use of the linked data.
 For example, TEI is designed with a specific purpose which cannot be
 replicated in RDF (at least, not very easily at all), but deriving RDF from
 highly-linked TEI to put into an endpoint can open doors to queries which
 are otherwise impossible to make on the data.  This certainly requires some
 rethinking of the way texts interact.  But perhaps it may be best to say
 that RDF *can* (but not necessarily) be a derivation, rather than
 serialization, of some larger, more complex canonical data model.

 Ethan


 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Rubinstein 
 arubi...@library.umass.edu wrote:

  I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here, Karen. I would just add, or
  maybe reassure, that this does not necessarily require rethinking your
  existing metadata but how to translate that existing metadata into a
 linked
  data environment. Though this might seem like a pain, in many cases it
 will
  actually inspire you to go back and improve/increase the value of that
  existing metadata.
 
  This is definitely looking awesome, Eric!
 
  Aaron
 
  On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
 
   Eric, I think this skips a step - which is the design step in which you
  create a domain model that uses linked data as its basis. RDF is not a
  serialization; it actually may require you to re-think the basic
 structure
  of your metadata. The reason for that is that it provides capabilities
 that
  record-based data models do not. Rather than starting with current
  metadata, you need to take a step back and ask: what does my information
  world look like as linked data?
  
   I repeat: RDF is NOT A SERIALIZATION.
  
   kc
  
   On 11/19/13 5:04 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
   I believe participating in the Semantic Web and providing content via
  the principles of linked data is not rocket surgery, especially for
  cultural heritage institutions -- libraries, archives, and museums. Here
 is
  a simple recipe for their participation:
  
 1. use existing metadata standards (MARC, EAD, etc.) to describe
collections
  
 2. use any number of existing tools to convert the metadata to
HTML, and save the HTML on a Web server
  
 3. use any number of existing tools to convert the metadata to
RDF/XML (or some other serialization of RDF), and save the
RDF/XML on a Web server
  
 4. rest, congratulate yourself, and share your experience with
others in your domain
  
 5. after the first time though, go back to Step #1, but this time
work with other people inside your domain making sure you use as
many of the same URIs as possible
  
 6. after the second time through, go back to Step #1, but this
time supplement access to your linked data with a triple store,
thus supporting search
  
 7. after the third time through, go back to Step #1, but this
time use any number of existing tools to expose the content in
your other information systems (relational databases, OAI-PMH
data repositories, etc.)
  
 8. for dessert, cogitate ways to exploit the linked data in your
domain to discover new and additional relationships between URIs,
and thus make the Semantic Web more of a reality
  
   What do you think?
  
   I am in the process of writing a guidebook on the topic of linked data
  and archives. In the guidebook I will elaborate on this recipe and
 provide
  instructions for its implementation. [1]
  
   [1] guidebook - http://sites.tufts.edu/liam/
  
   --
   Eric Lease Morgan
   University of Notre Dame
  
   --
   Karen Coyle
   kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
   m: 1-510-435-8234
   skype: kcoylenet
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] linked data recipe

[Ross Singer]

I don't know what your definition of serialization is, but I don't know
of any where data model and formatted output of a data model are
synonymous.

RDF is a data model *not* a serialization.

-Ross.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see that serialization has a different definition in computer science
 than I thought it did.


 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  That's still not a serialization.  It's just a similar data model.
   Pretty huge difference.
 
  -Ross.
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   I'm not sure that I agree that RDF is not a serialization.  It really
   depends on the context of the system and intended use of the linked
 data.
   For example, TEI is designed with a specific purpose which cannot be
   replicated in RDF (at least, not very easily at all), but deriving RDF
  from
   highly-linked TEI to put into an endpoint can open doors to queries
 which
   are otherwise impossible to make on the data.  This certainly requires
  some
   rethinking of the way texts interact.  But perhaps it may be best to
 say
   that RDF *can* (but not necessarily) be a derivation, rather than
   serialization, of some larger, more complex canonical data model.
  
   Ethan
  
  
   On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Rubinstein 
   arubi...@library.umass.edu wrote:
  
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here, Karen. I would just
 add,
  or
maybe reassure, that this does not necessarily require rethinking
 your
existing metadata but how to translate that existing metadata into a
   linked
data environment. Though this might seem like a pain, in many cases
 it
   will
actually inspire you to go back and improve/increase the value of
 that
existing metadata.
   
This is definitely looking awesome, Eric!
   
Aaron
   
On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
   
 Eric, I think this skips a step - which is the design step in which
  you
create a domain model that uses linked data as its basis. RDF is not
 a
serialization; it actually may require you to re-think the basic
   structure
of your metadata. The reason for that is that it provides
 capabilities
   that
record-based data models do not. Rather than starting with current
metadata, you need to take a step back and ask: what does my
  information
world look like as linked data?

 I repeat: RDF is NOT A SERIALIZATION.

 kc

 On 11/19/13 5:04 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
 I believe participating in the Semantic Web and providing content
  via
the principles of linked data is not rocket surgery, especially for
cultural heritage institutions -- libraries, archives, and museums.
  Here
   is
a simple recipe for their participation:

   1. use existing metadata standards (MARC, EAD, etc.) to describe
  collections

   2. use any number of existing tools to convert the metadata to
  HTML, and save the HTML on a Web server

   3. use any number of existing tools to convert the metadata to
  RDF/XML (or some other serialization of RDF), and save the
  RDF/XML on a Web server

   4. rest, congratulate yourself, and share your experience with
  others in your domain

   5. after the first time though, go back to Step #1, but this
 time
  work with other people inside your domain making sure you use
  as
  many of the same URIs as possible

   6. after the second time through, go back to Step #1, but this
  time supplement access to your linked data with a triple
 store,
  thus supporting search

   7. after the third time through, go back to Step #1, but this
  time use any number of existing tools to expose the content
 in
  your other information systems (relational databases, OAI-PMH
  data repositories, etc.)

   8. for dessert, cogitate ways to exploit the linked data in your
  domain to discover new and additional relationships between
  URIs,
  and thus make the Semantic Web more of a reality

 What do you think?

 I am in the process of writing a guidebook on the topic of linked
  data
and archives. In the guidebook I will elaborate on this recipe and
   provide
instructions for its implementation. [1]

 [1] guidebook - http://sites.tufts.edu/liam/

 --
 Eric Lease Morgan
 University of Notre Dame

 --
 Karen Coyle
 kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
 m: 1-510-435-8234
 skype: kcoylenet
   
  
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf triplestores

[Ross Singer]

I've used Fuseki a lot and really like it, although configuration for
things like LARQ (full text indexing) historically has been a little
underdocumented (and it can be a little difficult to understand what
component is in charge of what task).

4-Store is super simple to get up and running with, as well, but I haven't
used it in production for anything.

-Ross.


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Stefano Bargioni bargi...@pusc.it wrote:

 My +1 for Joseki.
 sb

 On 11/nov/2013, at 06.12, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:

  What is your favorite RDF triplestore?
 
  I am able to convert numerous library-related metadata formats into
 RDF/XML. In a minimal way, I can then contribute to the Semantic Web by
 simply putting the resulting files on an HTTP file system. But if I were to
 import my RDF/XML into a triplestore, then I could do a lot more. Jena
 seems like a good option. So does Openlink Virtuoso.
 
  What experience do y'all have with these tools, and do you know how to
 import RDF/XML into them?
 
  --
  Eric Lease Morgan
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] We should use HTTPS on code4lib.org

[Ross Singer]

OK! Uncle! Just let's do something! I don't care *that* much about it!

-Ross.
On Nov 6, 2013 11:34 PM, Chad Fennell fenne...@umn.edu wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:

  I guess I just don't see why http and https can't coexist.
 
 
 They can definitely coexist, but there is a corresponding maintenance cost
 and a slightly higher risk profile (e.g. session hijacking is still
 possible in a variety of mixed http/https configurations). I noticed a a
 pretty good, if a bit dated, run-down of the tradeoffs for various secure
 setups in Drupal

 http://drupalscout.com/knowledge-base/drupal-and-ssl-multiple-recipes-possible-solutions-https
 .
 Even if the solutions have somewhat changed, it does get at the idea of
 what some of the tradeoffs are between security, usability and maintenance.

 Just today, I noticed a security alert (https://drupal.org/node/2129381)
 for the Drupal 6 Secure Pages module where theoretically secured pages and
 forms could be transmitted in the clear. This is the module you'd most
 likely use to achieve a mixed http/https site in Drupal.

 I have personally tended to just put everything behind https because of the
 added work/modules/maintenance associated to running it along side of http
 (in Drupal, specifically), but I am a lazy person with access to free certs
 and ferncer servers.

 HTH
 --
 Chad Fennell
 Web Developer
 University of Minnesota Libraries
 (612) 626-4186

Re: [CODE4LIB] Canadian WordPress Hosting

[Ross Singer]

I assume it's not about speed, but about the PATRIOT Act.

For example, we don't host any of our customer data in the US (and aren't
allowed to).

-Ross.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Riley Childs ri...@tfsgeo.com wrote:

 I take that back, did a bit more research, I think there are plenty of
 options. But I have to ask, why only in Canada, a transit provider in the
 us willbe just as fast as in Canada

 Riley Childs
 Library Director and IT Admin
 Junior
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 P: 704-497-2086 (Anytime)
 P: 704-537-0331 x101 (M-F 7:30am-3pm ET)

 Sent from my iPhone
 Please excuse mistakes

  On Nov 7, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Cynthia: If you just need a Canadian server, not a Canadian corporation,
 check out Site5[1]. Not sure if they are exactly what you are looking for,
 but they have the standard one-click install ControlPanel stuff. Not sure
 about the automated backup options you're looking for. I've been using them
 for a few years, and have zero complaints.
 
  Riley: Really? Why would we be hard pressed to find that in Canada?
 
  -nruest
 
  [1] http://www.site5.com/p/canadian-web-hosting/
 
  On 13-11-07 08:38 PM, Riley Childs wrote:
  Why in Canada? You will be hard pressed to find that
 
  Riley Childs
  Library Director and IT Admin
  Junior
  Charlotte United Christian Academy
  P: 704-497-2086 (Anytime)
  P: 704-537-0331 x101 (M-F 7:30am-3pm ET)
 
  Sent from my iPhone
  Please excuse mistakes
 
  On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks Kevin. Servers need to be in Canada, preferably paid in
 Canadian but
  I don't think that's necessary. I'll looking your recommendation.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Kevin Hawkins 
  kevin.s.hawk...@ultraslavonic.info wrote:
 
  Does the entity you pay need to be in Canada (that is, accept payment
 in
  Canadian dollars), or do the servers need to be there?  Or both?
 
  I use http://www.csoft.net/ for my personal hosting.  Their business
  office is in Canada, but I'm unclear on where their servers are.
  Their
  documentation is written assuming you have strong technical skills,
 but
  they respond quickly (and tersely) whenever I've needed help to
 address
  gaps in my skills.  They have some specific instructions for
 installation
  of WordPress once you've connected to them through SSH:
 
  http://www.csoft.net/docs/wordpress.html.en
 
  They also have documentation in French in case that's helpful.
 
  --Kevin
 
 
  On 2:59 PM, Cynthia Ng wrote:
 
  Hi Everyone,
 
  Apologies for cross-posting, but code4lib is much more active, and
 has
  more
  Canadians that I've seen.
 
  I was wondering if anyone had recommendations for a WordPress hosting
  solution? And yes, it needs to be in Canada. I can do most of my own
  dev-type work, so really it just needs to be setup to run WordPress
  (preferably with 1-click install), and most of all, reliable,
 hopefully
  with good customer service for when we need to contact the company.
 
  Okay, also preferable is that they do daily backups for us and has
  excellent security (considering it's WordPress).
 
  Too many hosting solutions include email and a bunch of other stuff,
 and I
  need it only for WordPress and nothing else.
 
  A name, plus at least 1-2 reasons on the recommendation would be
 great!
 
  Thanks in advance,
  Cynthia
 
  --
  -nruest

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf serialization

[Ross Singer]

Hugh, I don't think you're in the weeds with your question (and, while I
think that named graphs can provide a solution to your particular problem,
that doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't raise more questions or
potentially more frustrations down the line - like any new power, it can be
used for good or evil and the difference might not be obvious at first).

My question for you, however, is why are you using a triple store for this?
 That is, why bother with the broad and general model in what I assume is a
closed world assumption in your application?

We don't generally use XML databases (Marklogic being a notable exception),
or MARC databases, or insert your transmission format of choice-specific
databases because usually transmission formats are designed to account for
lots and lots of variations and maximum flexibility, which generally is the
opposite of the modeling that goes into a specific app.

I think there's a world of difference between modeling your data so it can
be represented in RDF (and, possibly, available via SPARQL, but I think
there is *far* less value there) and committing to RDF all the way down.
 RDF is a generalization so multiple parties can agree on what data means,
but I would have a hard time swallowing the argument that domain-specific
data must be RDF-native.

-Ross.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Hugh Cayless philomou...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does that work right down to the level of the individual triple though? If
 a large percentage of my triples are each in their own individual graphs,
 won't that be chaos? I really don't know the answer, it's not a rhetorical
 question!

 Hugh

 On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:40 , Robert Sanderson azarot...@gmail.com wrote:

  Named Graphs are the way to solve the issue you bring up in that post, in
  my opinion.  You mint an identifier for the graph, and associate the
  provenance and other information with that.  This then gets ingested as
 the
  4th URI into a quad store, so you don't lose the provenance information.
 
  In JSON-LD:
  {
   @id : uri-for-graph,
   dcterms:creator : uri-for-hugh,
   @graph : [
// ... triples go here ...
   ]
  }
 
  Rob
 
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Hugh Cayless philomou...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I wrote about this a few months back at
 
 http://blogs.library.duke.edu/dcthree/2013/07/27/the-trouble-with-triples/
 
  I'd be very interested to hear what the smart folks here think!
 
  Hugh
 
  On Nov 5, 2013, at 18:28 , Alexander Johannesen 
  alexander.johanne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  But the
  question to every piece of meta data is *authority*, which is the part
  of RDF that sucks.
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf serialization

[Ross Singer]

Hey Karen,

It's purely anecdotal (albeit anecdotes borne from working at a company
that offered, and has since abandoned, a sparql-based triple store
service), but I just don't see the interest in arbitrary SPARQL queries
against remote datasets that I do against linking to (and grabbing) known
items.  I think there are multiple reasons for this:

1) Unless you're already familiar with the dataset behind the SPARQL
endpoint, where do you even start with constructing useful queries?
2) SPARQL as a query language is a combination of being too powerful and
completely useless in practice: query timeouts are commonplace, endpoints
don't support all of 1.1, etc.  And, going back to point #1, it's hard to
know how to optimize your queries unless you are already pretty familiar
with the data
3) SPARQL is a flawed API interface from the get-go (IMHO) for the same
reason we don't offer a public SQL interface to our RDBMSes

Which isn't to say it doesn't have its uses or applications.

I just think that in most cases domain/service-specific APIs (be they
RESTful, based on the Linked Data API [0], whatever) will likely be favored
over generic SPARQL endpoints.  Are n+1 different APIs ideal?  I am pretty
sure the answer is no, but that's the future I foresee, personally.

-Ross.
0. https://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/wiki/Specification


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

 Ross, I agree with your statement that data doesn't have to be RDF all
 the way down, etc. But I'd like to hear more about why you think SPARQL
 availability has less value, and if you see an alternative to SPARQL for
 querying.

 kc



 On 11/6/13 8:11 AM, Ross Singer wrote:

 Hugh, I don't think you're in the weeds with your question (and, while I
 think that named graphs can provide a solution to your particular problem,
 that doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't raise more questions or
 potentially more frustrations down the line - like any new power, it can
 be
 used for good or evil and the difference might not be obvious at first).

 My question for you, however, is why are you using a triple store for
 this?
   That is, why bother with the broad and general model in what I assume
 is a
 closed world assumption in your application?

 We don't generally use XML databases (Marklogic being a notable
 exception),
 or MARC databases, or insert your transmission format of choice-specific
 databases because usually transmission formats are designed to account for
 lots and lots of variations and maximum flexibility, which generally is
 the
 opposite of the modeling that goes into a specific app.

 I think there's a world of difference between modeling your data so it can
 be represented in RDF (and, possibly, available via SPARQL, but I think
 there is *far* less value there) and committing to RDF all the way down.
   RDF is a generalization so multiple parties can agree on what data
 means,
 but I would have a hard time swallowing the argument that domain-specific
 data must be RDF-native.

 -Ross.


 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Hugh Cayless philomou...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Does that work right down to the level of the individual triple though?
 If
 a large percentage of my triples are each in their own individual graphs,
 won't that be chaos? I really don't know the answer, it's not a
 rhetorical
 question!

 Hugh

 On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:40 , Robert Sanderson azarot...@gmail.com wrote:

  Named Graphs are the way to solve the issue you bring up in that post,
 in
 my opinion.  You mint an identifier for the graph, and associate the
 provenance and other information with that.  This then gets ingested as

 the

 4th URI into a quad store, so you don't lose the provenance information.

 In JSON-LD:
 {
   @id : uri-for-graph,
   dcterms:creator : uri-for-hugh,
   @graph : [
// ... triples go here ...
   ]
 }

 Rob



 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Hugh Cayless philomou...@gmail.com

 wrote:

 I wrote about this a few months back at

  http://blogs.library.duke.edu/dcthree/2013/07/27/the-
 trouble-with-triples/

 I'd be very interested to hear what the smart folks here think!

 Hugh

 On Nov 5, 2013, at 18:28 , Alexander Johannesen 
 alexander.johanne...@gmail.com wrote:

  But the
 question to every piece of meta data is *authority*, which is the part
 of RDF that sucks.


 --
 Karen Coyle
 kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
 m: 1-510-435-8234
 skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf serialization

[Ross Singer]

Hugh, I'm skeptical of this in a usable application or interface.

Applications have constraints.  There are predicates you care about, there
are values you display in specific ways.  There are expectations, based on
the domain, in the data that are either driven by the interface or the
needs of the consumers.

I have yet to see an example of arbitrary and unexpected data exposed in
an application that people actually use.

-Ross.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Hugh Cayless philomou...@gmail.com wrote:

 The answer is purely because the RDF data model and the technology around
 it looks like it would almost do what we need it to.

 I do not, and cannot, assume a closed world. The open world assumption is
 one of the attractive things about RDF, in fact :-)

 Hugh

 On Nov 6, 2013, at 11:11 , Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:

  My question for you, however, is why are you using a triple store for
 this?
  That is, why bother with the broad and general model in what I assume is
 a
  closed world assumption in your application?

Re: [CODE4LIB] We should use HTTPS on code4lib.org

[Ross Singer]

How is security getting thrown under the bus?

-Ross.

On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Cary Gordon wrote:

 It sounds like we are willing to throw security under the bus for an edge
 case, although I am sure that I am missing some subtlety

 Cary

 On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM, William Denton 
  w...@pobox.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
 
 
  (Question:  Why does HTTPS complicate screen-scraping?  Every decent
 tool
  and library supports HTTPS, doesn't it?)
 
 
  Birkin asked me this same question, and I realized I should clarify what
 I
  meant.  I was mostly referring to existing screen scrapers/existing web
  sites.  If you redirect every request from http to https, this will
  probably break things.  I think the Open Library example that Karen
  mentioned is a good case study.
 
  And it's pretty different for a library or tool to support HTTPS and a
  specific app to be expecting it.  If you follow the thread around that OL
  change, it appears there are issues with Java (as one example)
 arbitrarily
  consuming HTTPS (from what I understand, you need to have the cert
  locally?), but I don't know enough about it to say for certain.  I think
  there would also probably be potential issues around mashups (AJAX, for
  example), but seeing as code4lib.org doesn't support CORS, not really a
  current issue.  Does apply more generally to your question about library
  websites at large, though.
 
  Anyway, I agree with you that the option for both should be there.  I'm
 not
  just not convinced that HTTPS-all-the-time is necessary for all web use
  cases.
 
  -Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] We should use HTTPS on code4lib.org

[Ross Singer]

I guess I just don't see why http and https can't coexist.

-Ross.
On Nov 6, 2013 9:39 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

 This conversation is heading into the draining the swamp category.

 Bill Denton started this thread with the suggestion that we use HTTPS
 everywhere. He did not make a specific case for it. I am just guessing that
 an argument for going that route would include security.

 Regardless of whether this is a good idea, or whether there is a
 compelling reason for doing it, it seems to me that the possibility of its
 making it difficult for older scraping tools to scrape the site does not
 seem like a compelling reason not to do it.

 The cost issue, on the other hand, would be a more compelling
 consideration.

 Thanks,

 Cary

 On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:

  How is security getting thrown under the bus?
 
  -Ross.
 
  On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Cary Gordon wrote:
 
  It sounds like we are willing to throw security under the bus for an
 edge
  case, although I am sure that I am missing some subtlety
 
  Cary
 
  On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com
 javascript:;
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com
 javascript:;
  wrote:
 
 
  (Question:  Why does HTTPS complicate screen-scraping?  Every decent
  tool
  and library supports HTTPS, doesn't it?)
 
 
  Birkin asked me this same question, and I realized I should clarify
 what
  I
  meant.  I was mostly referring to existing screen scrapers/existing web
  sites.  If you redirect every request from http to https, this will
  probably break things.  I think the Open Library example that Karen
  mentioned is a good case study.
 
  And it's pretty different for a library or tool to support HTTPS and a
  specific app to be expecting it.  If you follow the thread around that
 OL
  change, it appears there are issues with Java (as one example)
  arbitrarily
  consuming HTTPS (from what I understand, you need to have the cert
  locally?), but I don't know enough about it to say for certain.  I
 think
  there would also probably be potential issues around mashups (AJAX, for
  example), but seeing as code4lib.org doesn't support CORS, not really
 a
  current issue.  Does apply more generally to your question about
 library
  websites at large, though.
 
  Anyway, I agree with you that the option for both should be there.  I'm
  not
  just not convinced that HTTPS-all-the-time is necessary for all web use
  cases.
 
  -Ross.
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] We should use HTTPS on code4lib.org

[Ross Singer]

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote:


 (Question:  Why does HTTPS complicate screen-scraping?  Every decent tool
 and library supports HTTPS, doesn't it?)


Birkin asked me this same question, and I realized I should clarify what I
meant.  I was mostly referring to existing screen scrapers/existing web
sites.  If you redirect every request from http to https, this will
probably break things.  I think the Open Library example that Karen
mentioned is a good case study.

And it's pretty different for a library or tool to support HTTPS and a
specific app to be expecting it.  If you follow the thread around that OL
change, it appears there are issues with Java (as one example) arbitrarily
consuming HTTPS (from what I understand, you need to have the cert
locally?), but I don't know enough about it to say for certain.  I think
there would also probably be potential issues around mashups (AJAX, for
example), but seeing as code4lib.org doesn't support CORS, not really a
current issue.  Does apply more generally to your question about library
websites at large, though.

Anyway, I agree with you that the option for both should be there.  I'm not
just not convinced that HTTPS-all-the-time is necessary for all web use
cases.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf serialization

[Ross Singer]

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote:
  This is hard. The Semantic Web (and RDF) attempt at codifying knowledge
 using a strict syntax, specifically a strict syntax of triples. It is very
 difficult for humans to articulate knowledge, let alone codifying it. How
 realistic is the idea of the Semantic Web? I wonder this not because I
 don’t think the technology can handle the problem. I say this because I
 think people can’t (or have great difficulty) succinctly articulating
 knowledge. Or maybe knowledge does not fit into triples?

 I think you're right Eric. I don't think knowledge can be encoded
 completely in triples, any more than it can be encoded completely in
 finding aids or books.


Or... anything, honestly.  We're humans. Our understanding and perception
of the universe changes daily.  I don't think it's unreasonable to accept
that any description of the universe, input by a human, will reflect the
fundamental reality that was was encoded might be wrong.  I don't really
buy the argument that RDF is somehow less capable of succinctly
articulating knowledge compared to anything else.  All models are wrong.
 Some are useful.


 One thing that I (naively) wasn't fully aware of when I started
 dabbling the Semantic Web and Linked Data is how much the technology
 is entangled with debates about the philosophy of language. These
 debates play out in a variety of ways, but most notably in
 disagreements about the nature of a resource (httpRange-14) in Web
 Architecture. Shameless plug: Dorothea Salo and I tried to write about
 how some of this impacts the domain of the library/archive [1].

 OTOH, schema.org doesn't concern itself at all with this dichotomy
(information vs. non-information resource) and I think that most (sane,
pragmatic) practitioners would consider that linked data, as well.  Given
the fact that schema.org is so easily mapped to RDF, I think this argument
is going to be so polluted (if it isn't already) that it will eventually
have to evolve to a far less academic position.

One of the strengths of RDF is its notion of a data model that is
 behind the various serializations (xml, ntriples, json, n3, turtle,
 etc). I'm with Ross though: I find it much to read rdf as turtle or
 json-ld than it is rdf/xml.

 This is definitely where RDF outclasses almost every alternative*, because
each serialization (besides RDF/XML) works extremely well for specific
purposes:

Turtle is great for writing RDF (either to humans or computers) and being
able to understand what is being modeled.

n-triples/quads is great for sharing data in bulk.

json-ld is ideal for API responses, since the consumer doesn't have to know
anything about RDF to have a useful data object, but if they do, all the
better.

-Ross.
* Unless you're writing a parser, then having a kajillion serializations
seriously sucks.

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf serialization

[Ross Singer]

And yet for the last 50 years they've been creating MARC?

For the last 20, they've been making EAD, TEI, etc?

As with any of these, there is an expectation that end users will not be
hand rolling machine readable serializations, but inputting into
interfaces.

That is not to say there aren't headaches with RDF (there is no assumption
of order of triples, for example), but associating properties with entity
in which they actually belong, I would argue, is its real strength.

-Ross.
On Nov 3, 2013 10:30 PM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote:

 On Nov 3, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Robert Sanderson azarot...@gmail.com wrote:

  And it's not very hard given the right mindset -- its just a fully
 expanded
  relational database, where the identifiers are URIs.  Yes, it's not 1st
  year computer science, but it is 2nd or 3rd year rather than post
 graduate.

 Okay, granted, but how many people do we know who can draw an entity
 relationship diagram? In other words, how many people can represent
 knowledge as a relational database? Very few people in Library Land are
 able to get past flat files, let alone relational databases. Yet we are
 hoping to build the Semantic Web where everybody can contribute. I think
 this is a challenge.

 Don’t get me wrong. I think this is a good thing to give a whirl, but I
 think it is hard.

 —
 ELM

Re: [CODE4LIB] rdf serialization

[Ross Singer]

Eric,

I can't help but think that part of your problem is that you're using
RDF/XML, which definitely makes it harder to understand and visualize the
data model.

It might help if you switched to an RDF native serialization, like Turtle,
which definitely helps with regards to seeing RDF.

-Ross.
On Nov 4, 2013 6:29 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:

 And yet for the last 50 years they've been creating MARC?

 For the last 20, they've been making EAD, TEI, etc?

 As with any of these, there is an expectation that end users will not be
 hand rolling machine readable serializations, but inputting into
 interfaces.

 That is not to say there aren't headaches with RDF (there is no assumption
 of order of triples, for example), but associating properties with entity
 in which they actually belong, I would argue, is its real strength.

 -Ross.
 On Nov 3, 2013 10:30 PM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote:

 On Nov 3, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Robert Sanderson azarot...@gmail.com wrote:

  And it's not very hard given the right mindset -- its just a fully
 expanded
  relational database, where the identifiers are URIs.  Yes, it's not 1st
  year computer science, but it is 2nd or 3rd year rather than post
 graduate.

 Okay, granted, but how many people do we know who can draw an entity
 relationship diagram? In other words, how many people can represent
 knowledge as a relational database? Very few people in Library Land are
 able to get past flat files, let alone relational databases. Yet we are
 hoping to build the Semantic Web where everybody can contribute. I think
 this is a challenge.

 Don’t get me wrong. I think this is a good thing to give a whirl, but I
 think it is hard.

 —
 ELM

Re: [CODE4LIB] We should use HTTPS on code4lib.org

[Ross Singer]

While I'm not opposed to providing code4lib.org via HTTPS, I don't think
it's as simple as let's just do it!.  Who will be responsible for making
sure the cert is up to date?  Who will pay for certs (if we don't go with
startcom)?

Also, forcing all traffic to HTTPS unnecessarily complicates some things,
e.g. screen scrapers (and before you say, well, screen scraping sucks,
anyway!, I think it's not a stretch to say that microdata parser falls
under screen scraping.  Or RDFa.). I feel a little uncomfortable with
adding the overhead HTTPS brings wholesale, when there are tools (like you
mention, HTTPS Everywhere) for those that want HTTPS.  It feels a little
like the xkcd server attention span comic to me [0].

-Ross.

0. http://xkcd.com/869/


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote:

 NSA broke it already


 On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote:

  I think it's time we made everything on code4lib.org use HTTPS by
 default
  and redirect people to HTTPS from HTTP when needed.  (Right now there's
 an
  outdated self-signed SSL certificate on the site, so someone took a stab
 at
  this earlier, but it's time to do it right.)
 
  StartCom gives free SSL certs [0], and there are lots of places that sell
  them for prices that seem to run over $100 per year (which seems
 ridiculous
  to me, but maybe there's a good reason).
 
  I don't know which is the best way to get a cert for a site like this,
 but
  if people agree this is the right thing to do, perhaps someone with some
  expertise could work with the Oregon State hosts?
 
  More broadly, I think everyone should be using HTTPS everywhere (and
 HTTPS
  Everywhere, the browser extension).  Are any of you implementing HTTPS on
  your institution's sites, and moving to it as default?  It's one of those
  slightly finicky things that on the surface isn't necessary (why bother
  with a library's opening hours or address?) but deeper down is, because
  everyone should be able to browse the web without being monitored.
 
  Bill
 
  [0] https://cert.startcom.org/
 
  --
  William Denton
  Toronto, Canada
  http://www.miskatonic.org/
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Ruby on Windows

[Ross Singer]

It's probably also possible to get these working within Cygwin.  Assuming the 
libraries you need to compile against are available in Cygwin, of course.

-Ross.

On Oct 1, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu 
wrote:

 Our Windows-based devs all do their Ruby work on Ubuntu and Fedora VMs,
 FWIW.
 
 -Mike
 
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Justin Coyne 
 jus...@curationexperts.comwrote:
 
 If you see something about C-extensions, it's because the library is not
 written in pure Ruby, it is a wrapper around a library written in C.  Your
 system may not have the C compiler or some of the libraries needed to
 compile or link the extension.
 
 Justin Coyne
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
 
 I am attempting to write my first small Ruby app, but I am running into
 major problems just getting off the ground developing in Windows. I
 downloaded the most recent Ruby 2.0 package from RubyInstaller. Then I
 installed DevKit so I could use gems. After some fiddling, I was finally
 able to install some gems.
 
 
 
 Some.
 
 
 
 For any given gem I try to install, there’s about a 25% chance that I get
 this byzantine error:
 
 
 
 ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
 
 […a whole bunch of gibberish about C headers and so forth…]
 
 
 
 In particular, I am trying to install the Blather XMPP client. I am
 tempted
 to just give up and develop on Linux, but I am wanting to deploy this
 script to Windows machines and figure I might run into problems if I
 don’t
 develop in Windows. I have Googled the heck out of this issue and can’t
 find anything that is similar to my case (the solutions on the
 RubyInstaller Github wiki did not work). Do any of you Ruby people know
 why
 I might be having this error so frequently in my Windows environment?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Josh Welker
 
 Information Technology Librarian
 
 James C. Kirkpatrick Library
 
 University of Central Missouri
 
 Warrensburg, MO 64093
 
 JCKL 2260
 
 660.543.8022
 
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Ruby on Windows

[Ross Singer]

If you absolutely must have a Windows development environment, you may want
to consider a JVM-based scripting language, like Groovy or JRuby. All the
cross-platform advantages, none of the woe. Or, not as much, at
least (there's always a modicum of woe with anything you decide on).

-Ross.

On Tuesday, October 1, 2013, Joshua Welker wrote:

 I'm using Windows 7 x64 SP1. I am using the most recent RubyInstaller
 (2.0.0-p247 x64) and DevKit (DevKit-mingw64-64-4.7.2-2013022-1432-sfx).

 That's disappointing to hear that most folks use Ruby exclusively in *nix
 environments. That really limits its utility for me. I am trying Ruby
 because dealing with HTTP in Java is a huge pain, and I was having
 difficulties setting up a Python environment in Windows, too (go figure).

 Josh Welker


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;]
 On Behalf Of
 David Mayo
 Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 3:44 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Ruby on Windows

 DevKit is a MingW/MSYS wrapper for Windows Ruby development.  It might not
 be finding it, but he does have a C dev environment.

 I know you cut them out earlier, but would you mind sending some of the C
 Header Blather our way?  It's probably got some clues as to what's going
 on.

 Also - which versions of Windows, RubyInstaller, and DevKit are you using?




 On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Ross Singer 
 rossfsin...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  It's probably also possible to get these working within Cygwin.
  Assuming the libraries you need to compile against are available in
  Cygwin, of course.
 
  -Ross.
 
  On Oct 1, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Michael J. Giarlo 
  leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu javascript:; wrote:
 
   Our Windows-based devs all do their Ruby work on Ubuntu and Fedora
   VMs, FWIW.
  
   -Mike
  
  
  
   On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Justin Coyne
  jus...@curationexperts.com javascript:;
  wrote:
  
   If you see something about C-extensions, it's because the library
   is not written in pure Ruby, it is a wrapper around a library written
 in C.
   Your
   system may not have the C compiler or some of the libraries needed
   to compile or link the extension.
  
   Justin Coyne
  
  
   On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Joshua Welker 
   wel...@ucmo.edujavascript:;
 
 wrote:
  
   I am attempting to write my first small Ruby app, but I am running
   into major problems just getting off the ground developing in
   Windows. I downloaded the most recent Ruby 2.0 package from
   RubyInstaller. Then I installed DevKit so I could use gems. After
   some fiddling, I was
  finally
   able to install some gems.
  
  
  
   Some.
  
  
  
   For any given gem I try to install, there's about a 25% chance
   that I
  get
   this byzantine error:
  
  
  
   ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
  
   [.a whole bunch of gibberish about C headers and so forth.]
  
  
  
   In particular, I am trying to install the Blather XMPP client. I
   am
   tempted
   to just give up and develop on Linux, but I am wanting to deploy
   this script to Windows machines and figure I might run into
   problems if I
   don't
   develop in Windows. I have Googled the heck out of this issue and
   can't find anything that is similar to my case (the solutions on
   the RubyInstaller Github wiki did not work). Do any of you Ruby
   people know
   why
   I might be having this error so frequently in my Windows
 environment?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Josh Welker
  
   Information Technology Librarian
  
   James C. Kirkpatrick Library
  
   University of Central Missouri
  
   Warrensburg, MO 64093
  
   JCKL 2260
  
   660.543.8022
  
  
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Good MARC PHP Libraries,

[Ross Singer]

Try:

pear install file_marc-beta

-Ross.

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013, Riley Childs wrote:

 I have been having some troubles with the installation (some random
 undescriptive exit error)

 Riley Childs
 Junior and Library Tech Manager
 Charlotte United Christian Academy
 +1 (704) 497-2086
 Sent from my iPhone
 Please excuse mistakes

  On Sep 25, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Eric Phetteplace 
  phett...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
 
  I think File_MARC is the standard:
 http://pear.php.net/package/File_MARC/
 
  Are there others?
 
  Best,
  Eric
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Riley Childs 
  ri...@tfsgeo.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
 
  Does anyone know of any good MARC PHP Libraries, I am struggling to
 create
  MARC records out of our proprietary database.
 
  Riley Childs
  Junior and Library Tech Manager
  Charlotte United Christian Academy
  +1 (704) 497-2086
  Sent from my iPhone
  Please excuse mistakes
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] New perl module MARC::File::MiJ -- marc-in-json for

[Ross Singer]

This serialization would actually be awful for the OP's use case, which (as
I understand it) is to put it in MongoDB and Elasticsearch (which are
exactly the use cases marc-in-json is designed for).

In this array of arrays approach, where the tag name is just another value
(as opposed to a key), you cannot take advantage of JsonPath, thereby
eliminating almost any possible way of querying this data in those
databases.

This format is great for serializing/deserializing in and out of a MARC
record structure (because it's incredibly fast and efficient).  Not so much
for actually using in JSON-native environment.

marc-in-json was an intentional compromise so that it got the benefits that
being optimized for json (as opposed to being optimized for MARC) brought.

-Ross.
On Sep 24, 2013 6:57 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote:

 hello,

 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:00:35AM -0400, Bill Dueber wrote:
  The marc-in-json
 http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/blog/2010/09/a-proposal-to-serialize-marc-in-json/
 

 My 2 cents:

 * don't specify a MARC-in-Whatever format: define the way you store the
   MARC record in memory then just use dumpers from the YAML, JSON, and
   other serialization systems.

 * marc-in-json itself (as described in the document) use dicts at every
   level which leads to 2 issues:

   * implementations of transformations and querying are painfull
   * explicit use of useless keys = more useless data (not as crappy as
 XML but still useless.

 MARC::MIR http://search.cpan.org/~marcc/marc-mir-0.4/lib/MARC/MIR.pod
 In-memory representation is much simpler to handle, whatever the
 programming langage you use.

 As comparaison, the same record in MARC::MIR and MIJ.
 HTH

 MIR:

 [ 01471cjm a2200349 a 4500
 , [ [ 001,5674874 ],
 [ 005,20030305110405.0 ],
 [ 007,sdubsmennmplu ],
 [ 008,930331s1963nyuppn  eng d ]
 [ 035, [ [ 9,(DLC)   93707283 ] ],
, [ , ] ],
 [ 906, [ [ [ a,7 ] ,
  [ b,cbc ],
  [ c,copycat ],
  [ d,4 ],
  [ e,ncip ],
  [ f,19 ],
  [ g,y-soundrec ] ],
[  , ]] ]

 MIJ:

 { leader:01471cjm a2200349 a 4500,
 fields:
 [ { 001:5674874 },
 { 005:20030305110405.0 },
 { 007:sdubsmennmplu },
 { 008:930331s1963nyuppn  eng d },
 { 035: { subfields: [
 { 9:(DLC)   93707283 }
 ],
 ind1: ,
 ind2:  } },
 { 906:
 { subfields:
 [ { a:7 },
 { b:cbc },
 { c:copycat },
 { d:4 },
 { e:ncip },
 { f:19 },
 { g:y-soundrec }
 ], ind1: , ind2:  }}}

 --
 Marc Chantreux
 Université de Strasbourg, Direction Informatique
 14 Rue René Descartes,
 67084  STRASBOURG CEDEX
 ☎: 03.68.85.57.40
 http://unistra.fr
 Don't believe everything you read on the Internet
 -- Abraham Lincoln

Re: [CODE4LIB] Σχετ: [CODE4LIB] New perl module MARC::File::MiJ -- marc-in-json for

[Ross Singer]

I mean, I'm not arguing against using a better a model for ES, but querying 
marc-in-json doesn't seem that complicated to me:

{
  query: {
query_string: {
  query: fields.100.a:Shakespeare
}
  }
}

I don't see how you'd do this in MIR.  But I'm starting to have a hard time 
following what you're actually trying to do at this point.

-Ross.

On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:01 AM, dasos ili dasos_...@yahoo.gr wrote:

 My initial problem though with the marc-in-json approach is the complexity of 
 the JSON, i am looking to find a simpler model in order to also make my 
 queries, in ES for example, simpler to implement.
 
 If anyone has any examples of how make use of this marc - in - json output in 
 order to use ES, it would be much appreciated. 
 
 thank you 
 
 
 
 
 
 Απο: Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com
 Προς: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
 Στάλθηκε: 3:47 μ.μ. Τρίτη, 24 Σεπτεμβρίου 2013
 Θέμα: Re: [CODE4LIB] New perl module MARC::File::MiJ -- marc-in-json for
 
 
 This serialization would actually be awful for the OP's use case, which (as
 I understand it) is to put it in MongoDB and Elasticsearch (which are
 exactly the use cases marc-in-json is designed for).
 
 In this array of arrays approach, where the tag name is just another value
 (as opposed to a key), you cannot take advantage of JsonPath, thereby
 eliminating almost any possible way of querying this data in those
 databases.
 
 This format is great for serializing/deserializing in and out of a MARC
 record structure (because it's incredibly fast and efficient).  Not so much
 for actually using in JSON-native environment.
 
 marc-in-json was an intentional compromise so that it got the benefits that
 being optimized for json (as opposed to being optimized for MARC) brought.
 
 -Ross.
 On Sep 24, 2013 6:57 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote:
 
 hello,
 
 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:00:35AM -0400, Bill Dueber wrote:
 The marc-in-json
 http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/blog/2010/09/a-proposal-to-serialize-marc-in-json/
 
 
 My 2 cents:
 
 * don't specify a MARC-in-Whatever format: define the way you store the
MARC record in memory then just use dumpers from the YAML, JSON, and
other serialization systems.
 
 * marc-in-json itself (as described in the document) use dicts at every
level which leads to 2 issues:
 
* implementations of transformations and querying are painfull
* explicit use of useless keys = more useless data (not as crappy as
  XML but still useless.
 
 MARC::MIR http://search.cpan.org/~marcc/marc-mir-0.4/lib/MARC/MIR.pod
 In-memory representation is much simpler to handle, whatever the
 programming langage you use.
 
 As comparaison, the same record in MARC::MIR and MIJ.
 HTH
 
 MIR:
 
 [ 01471cjm a2200349 a 4500
 , [ [ 001,5674874 ],
  [ 005,20030305110405.0 ],
  [ 007,sdubsmennmplu ],
  [ 008,930331s1963nyuppn  eng d ]
  [ 035, [ [ 9,(DLC)   93707283 ] ],
 , [ , ] ],
  [ 906, [ [ [ a,7 ] ,
   [ b,cbc ],
   [ c,copycat ],
   [ d,4 ],
   [ e,ncip ],
   [ f,19 ],
   [ g,y-soundrec ] ],
 [  , ]] ]
 
 MIJ:
 
 { leader:01471cjm a2200349 a 4500,
  fields:
  [ { 001:5674874 },
  { 005:20030305110405.0 },
  { 007:sdubsmennmplu },
  { 008:930331s1963nyuppn  eng d },
  { 035: { subfields: [
  { 9:(DLC)   93707283 }
  ],
  ind1: ,
  ind2:  } },
  { 906:
  { subfields:
  [ { a:7 },
  { b:cbc },
  { c:copycat },
  { d:4 },
  { e:ncip },
  { f:19 },
  { g:y-soundrec }
  ], ind1: , ind2:  }}}
 
 --
 Marc Chantreux
 Université de Strasbourg, Direction Informatique
 14 Rue René Descartes,
 67084  STRASBOURG CEDEX
 ☎: 03.68.85.57.40
 http://unistra.fr
 Don't believe everything you read on the Internet
  -- Abraham Lincoln
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] or queries against Horizon Z39.50 servers?

[Ross Singer]

Ah, interesting trick!  Unfortunately, it doesn't work either (although it 
doesn't explode, it just returns zero hits).

I suspect you're right about the server not being configured to support 
booleans, which would be a shame.

-Ross.

On Sep 20, 2013, at 2:22 PM, LeVan,Ralph le...@oclc.org wrote:

 I can't say anything about the horizon server.  But I have a suggestion.
 
 It's possible that server is configured to not support Booleans (either on 
 that index or at all) and is blowing the trivial error response.  If this is 
 the case, there may be a workaround.  Instead of explicitly ORing them 
 together, maybe you can implicitly OR them together.
 
 The new query would look like this: f @attr 1=7 @attr 4=6 9780413690609 
 0413690601
 
 What you are telling the server is that you want to search index 7 (use=7) 
 and the structure of the term is a list of words (structure=6).  First you 
 have to hope this works and second you have to hope that OR is the implicit 
 operator used in the list.  But, it's worth a try.  (In SRU we can explicitly 
 say that this is a list of words to be ORed together.)
 
 Ralph (who doesn't quite regret all the z39.50 baloney stuck in his head)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ross 
 Singer
 Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:10 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: or queries against Horizon Z39.50 servers?
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I was wondering if anybody knew if there was some secret attribute 
 combination to successfully do a or-ed ISBN or ISSN query against a 
 SirsiDynix Z39.50 server.  I've tried it against quite a few different 
 implementations, but they all fail.
 
 From yaz-client, it goes something like this:
 
 Z f @or @attr 1=7 9780413690609 @attr 1=7 0413690601
 Sent searchRequest.
 Received SearchResponse.
 Search was a bloomin' failure.
 Number of hits: 0, setno 1
 Result Set Status: none
 records returned: 1
 Diagnostic message(s) from database:
[100] Unspecified error -- v3 addinfo 'Unable to navigate!'
 Elapsed: 0.421485
 
 All of the ones I've tried fail with that same error.
 
 If I search on the ISBNs individually, e.g.:
 
 Z f @attr 1=7 9780413690609 
 Sent searchRequest.
 Received SearchResponse.
 Search was a success.
 Number of hits: 1, setno 2
 records returned: 0
 Elapsed: 0.606146
 
 it works fine.
 
 If you are able to successfully do or'ed ISBN or ISSN queries can you pass 
 along all of the use attributes that are being sent?
 
 Thanks,
 -Ross.

[CODE4LIB] or queries against Horizon Z39.50 servers?

[Ross Singer]

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anybody knew if there was some secret attribute combination 
to successfully do a or-ed ISBN or ISSN query against a SirsiDynix Z39.50 
server.  I've tried it against quite a few different implementations, but they 
all fail.

From yaz-client, it goes something like this:

Z f @or @attr 1=7 9780413690609 @attr 1=7 0413690601
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a bloomin' failure.
Number of hits: 0, setno 1
Result Set Status: none
records returned: 1
Diagnostic message(s) from database:
[100] Unspecified error -- v3 addinfo 'Unable to navigate!'
Elapsed: 0.421485

All of the ones I've tried fail with that same error.

If I search on the ISBNs individually, e.g.:

Z f @attr 1=7 9780413690609 
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a success.
Number of hits: 1, setno 2
records returned: 0
Elapsed: 0.606146

it works fine.

If you are able to successfully do or'ed ISBN or ISSN queries can you pass 
along all of the use attributes that are being sent?

Thanks,
-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] PHP HTTP Client preference

[Ross Singer]

Hey Karen,

We use Guzzle: http://guzzlephp.org/

It's nice, seems to work well for our needs, is available in packagist, and is 
the HTTP client library in the official AWS SDK libraries (which was a big 
endorsement, in our view).

We're still in the process of moving all of our clients over to it (we built a 
homegrown HTTP client on top of CURL first), but have been really impressed 
with it so far.

-Ross.

On Sep 3, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Coombs,Karen coom...@oclc.org wrote:

 One project I'm working on for OCLC right now is building a set of 
 object-oriented client libraries in PHP that will assist developers with 
 interacting with our web services. The first of these libraries we'd like to 
 release provides classes for authentication and authorization to our web 
 services. You can read more about Authentication/Authorization and our web 
 services on the Developer Network sitehttp://oc.lc/devnet
 
 The purpose of this project is to make a simple and easy to use object 
 oriented library that supports our various authentication methods.
 
 This library need to make HTTP requests and I've looked at a number of 
 potential libraries and HTTP clients in PHP.
 
 Why am I not just considering using CURL natively?
 
 The standard CURL functions in PHP are not object-oriented. All of our code 
 libraries (both our authentication/authorization library and future libraries 
 for interacting with the REST services themselves) need to perform a robust 
 set of HTTP interactions. Using the standard CURL functions would very likely 
 increase the size of the code libraries and the potential for errors and 
 inconsistencies within the code base because of how much we use HTTP.
 
 Given this, I believe there are three possible options and would like to get 
 the community's feedback on which option you would prefer.
 
 Option 1. - Write my own HTTP Client on top of the standard PHP CURL 
 implementation. This means people using the code library can only download it 
 and now worry about any dependencies. However, that means adding extra code 
 to our library which, although essential, isn't at the core of what we're 
 trying to support. My fear is that my client will never be as good as an 
 existing client.
 
 Option 2. - Use HTTPful code library (http://phphttpclient.com/). This is a 
 well developed and supported code base which is designed specifically to 
 support REST interactions. It is easy to install via Composer or Phar, or 
 manually. It is slim and trim and only does the HTTP Client functions. It 
 does create a dependency on an external (but small) library.
 
 Option 3. - Use the Zend 2 HTTPClient. This is a well developed and supported 
 code base. The biggest downside is that Zend is a massive code library to 
 require. A developer could choose to download only the specific set of 
 classes that we are dependent on, but asking people to do this may prove 
 confusing to some developers.
 
 I'd appreciate your feedback so we can provide the most useful set of 
 libraries to the community.
 
 Karen
 
 Karen A. Coombs
 Senior Product Analyst
 WorldShare Platform
 coom...@oclc.orgmailto:coom...@oclc.org
 614-764-4068
 Skype: librarywebchic

Re: [CODE4LIB] Subject Terms in Institutional Repositories

[Ross Singer]

I think the argument is that librarians think in LCSH/academics think in 
discipline-specific vocabularies.

How many medical collections use LCSH over MeSH, for example?

-Ross.

On Aug 30, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote:

 Mike, what do you mean when you say don't think in terms of LCSH?  Is there 
 some other vocabulary that they think in?  If LCSH is the best option, the 
 right interface may help them think in terms of LCSH.  For example, 
 auto-completion/suggestion of headings when tagging or searching might be 
 necessary.
 
 -Shaun
 
 On 8/30/13 10:05 AM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
 We are using LCSH in our repository, but it hasn't been very widely used
 because our users, largely research faculty and staff, don't think in terms
 of LCSH.
 
 -Mike
 On Aug 30, 2013 9:28 AM, Matthew Sherman matt.r.sher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Code4Libbers,
 
 I am working on cleaning up our institutional repository, and one of the
 big areas of improvement needed is the list of terms from the subject
 fields.  It is messy and I want to take the subject terms and place them
 into a much better order.  I was contemplating using Library of Congress
 Subject Headings, but I wanted to see what others have done in this area to
 see if there is another good controlled vocabulary that could work better.
 Any insight is welcome.  Thanks for your time everyone.
 
 Matt Sherman
 Digital Content Librarian
 University of Bridgeport
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] public computers- Mac mini and Bootcamp?

[Ross Singer]

If you want to go with Mac Minis (which, having had to use one as my primary 
work machine for the last two weeks while my Macbook was in the shop, seems 
like a perfectly inexpensive and awesome choice), I would probably just max out 
the RAM on them and opt for putting Windows in VirtualBox (or its ilk) rather 
than worry about Bootcamp.

It would give you more options (Windows 7/8, Linux, etc.) and wouldn't require 
rebooting.

I do like the idea of more versatile public computers, although I'm not sure 
how much real use they would get beyond web browsing, in practice.  I would 
imagine that probably depends a lot on what you make available and how you 
promote them (for example, offering iMovie and making firewire cables 
available, etc.).

Also, I can't comment on what the maintenance overhead would be.  Obviously in 
the library world, there's probably a lot more acquired knowledge on imaging 
and locking down Windows than alternatives.

-Ross.

On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Nate Hill nathanielh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is anyone on the list using mac computers and bootcamp or some other
 partition to offer public access to either a mac or windows environment for
 their users?  This seems like ti could be a pretty cool option to present
 folks with.
 
 Any thoughts on the matter?  I'm trying to figure out what to replace our
 public computers with here in Chattanooga.  Obviously I want them to be
 both inexpensive and awesome.
 
 -- 
 Nate Hill
 nathanielh...@gmail.com
 http://4thfloor.chattlibrary.org/
 http://www.natehill.net

Re: [CODE4LIB] public computers- Mac mini and Bootcamp?

[Ross Singer]

Why would it cost $1k++?

We have the 2.5 Ghz dual core i5 ($599 new) which we upgraded to 16GB ($131.99 
via Crucial.com - no doubt there are cheaper alternatives).  Runs Windows fine 
in a VM (although, like you, I really only use it for IE testing).

Certainly this doesn't account for keyboards, mice or monitors, but that's the 
nice part of the mini: many libraries have those things lying around anyway.

If all you want are web browsing machines (or suspect that that is all they 
will be used for), I absolutely agree this is probably a waste of money.  But 
if you want to get the most versatility in a machine, it's a pretty good 
bargain, I think.

-Ross.

On Aug 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

 Aside from the aforementioned support hell issue, a Mac Mini that would run 
 Windows 8 and Mountain Lion or Mavericks with decent speed would cost over 
 $1k ++. I run them both on my fairly maxed-out two year old MacBook Pro, and 
 while the results on the PC side are acceptable for what I need — mostly site 
 testing in versions of IE — they are by no means spectacular.
 
 Someone should try setting up something like this as a science project. 
 Please report back.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Cary
 
 On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you want to go with Mac Minis (which, having had to use one as my primary 
 work machine for the last two weeks while my Macbook was in the shop, seems 
 like a perfectly inexpensive and awesome choice), I would probably just max 
 out the RAM on them and opt for putting Windows in VirtualBox (or its ilk) 
 rather than worry about Bootcamp.
 
 It would give you more options (Windows 7/8, Linux, etc.) and wouldn't 
 require rebooting.
 
 I do like the idea of more versatile public computers, although I'm not sure 
 how much real use they would get beyond web browsing, in practice.  I would 
 imagine that probably depends a lot on what you make available and how you 
 promote them (for example, offering iMovie and making firewire cables 
 available, etc.).
 
 Also, I can't comment on what the maintenance overhead would be.  Obviously 
 in the library world, there's probably a lot more acquired knowledge on 
 imaging and locking down Windows than alternatives.
 
 -Ross.
 
 On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Nate Hill nathanielh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is anyone on the list using mac computers and bootcamp or some other
 partition to offer public access to either a mac or windows environment for
 their users?  This seems like ti could be a pretty cool option to present
 folks with.
 
 Any thoughts on the matter?  I'm trying to figure out what to replace our
 public computers with here in Chattanooga.  Obviously I want them to be
 both inexpensive and awesome.
 
 -- 
 Nate Hill
 nathanielh...@gmail.com
 http://4thfloor.chattlibrary.org/
 http://www.natehill.net

Re: [CODE4LIB] LibGuides: I don't get it

[Ross Singer]

I don't think the remedy to a lack of technology skills is to make
librarians into shade tree sysadmins.

*That's* the expense that gets swept under the rug in the open source
argument. Most advocates have systems administrators and infrastructure to
support implementing things themselves and grossly underestimate the cost
when that environment doesn't exist.

-Ross.

On Sunday, August 11, 2013, Cornel Darden Jr. wrote:

 Hi,

 Lack of technology skills seems to be a recurring theme here. 21st century
 Librarians shouldn't lack any technology skills. Those that do need to get
 them or look for another career.; or they are just hurting the patrons and
 institutions they serve.

 Thanks,

 Cornel Darden Jr.
 MSLIS
 Librarian
 Kennedy-King College
 City Colleges of Chicago
 Work 773-602-5449
 Cell 708-705-2945

  On Aug 11, 2013, at 8:10 PM, stuart yeates 
  stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nzjavascript:;
 wrote:
 
  On 12/08/13 12:20, Andrew Darby wrote:
  I don't get this argument at all.  Why is it counter productive to try
 to
  look at open source alternatives if the vendor's option is relatively
  cheap?  Why wouldn't you investigate all options?
 
  If you have no in-house technical capability, the cost of looking at an
 open source alternative can easily outweigh the multi-year licensing fee.
 
  cheers
  stuart
  --
  Stuart Yeates
  Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

[Ross Singer]

What would you consider a boutique language?  What isn't?

-Ross.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Rich Wenger rwen...@mit.edu wrote:

 The proliferation of boutique languages is a cancer on our community.
  Each one is a YAP (Yet Another Priesthood), and little else.  The world
 does not need five slightly varying syntaxes for a substring function. If I
 had switched languages every time the web community recommended it, I
 would have rewritten a mountain of apps at least twice in the past five
 years.  What's next, a separate language to put periods at the end of
 sentences? Just my $.02.  That is all.

 Rich Wenger
 E-Resource Systems Manager, MIT Libraries
 rwen...@mit.edu
 617-253-0035



 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
 Joshua Welker
 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:56 AM
 To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

 I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a
 fantastic scripting language in my experience.

 Josh Welker
 Information Technology Librarian
 James C. Kirkpatrick Library
 University of Central Missouri
 Warrensburg, MO 64093
 JCKL 2260
 660.543.8022


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Riley Childs
 Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:18 AM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

 No mention of PHP?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Kurt Nordstrom doseofvitam...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Whoohoo, late to the party!
 
  I like Python because I learned it first, and I haven't had a need to
  explore Ruby yet.
 
  I did briefly foray into learning Ruby in order to try to learn Rails,
  and I actually found that my background in Python sort of gave me
  brain-jam for learning Ruby, because the languages were so close
  together, but just different in some ways. So my mind would be 'oh, so
  it's just insert Python idiom here but then, it's not. If I tackle
  Ruby again, I will definitely try to 'empty my cup' first.
 
  -K
 
 
  On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote:
 
  hello,
 
  Sorry comming late with it but:
 
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:43:33AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote:
  Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in
  the library coding community, is there a particular reason to use
  Ruby over Python or vice-versa?
 
  Is it the only choices you have? Because I'd personnally advice none
  of them
 
  I tested both of them before stucking to Perl just because
 
  * it is very pleasant when it come to explore and modify
  datastructures  and strings (which library things are).
  * the ecosystem is briliant: perl comes with lot of libraries and
  tools  with a quality i haven't found in other languages.
 
  Of course, perl is not perfect and i really would like to use a
  modern emerging compiled language like go, rust, haskell or even
  something on the jvm (like clojure or the emerging perl6) but all of
  them miss libraries.
 
  HTH
  regards
  --
  Marc Chantreux
  Université de Strasbourg, Direction Informatique
  14 Rue René Descartes,
  67084  STRASBOURG CEDEX
  ☎: 03.68.85.57.40
  http://unistra.fr
  Don't believe everything you read on the Internet
 -- Abraham Lincoln
 
 
 
  --
  http://www.blar.net/kurt/blog/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

[Ross Singer]

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, jimm wetherbee j...@wingate.edu wrote:


 On 7/29/2013 1:04 PM, Ed Summers wrote:

 Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that. //Ed


 Over the code or the manual?


Over the NISO standardization process required to form the exploratory
committee.

-Ross.



 --jimm


 --

Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

[Ross Singer]

I can only answer for the Ruby support, I can't compare Ruby libs to Python
libs on these, but:

MARC: there's Ruby-MARC.  I helped write it, so I'm biased.

XML tools: depends on what you need.  In general, Ruby doesn't have great
support for sophisticated XML problems.  Nokogiri has a great API for DOM
parsing.  Code4libbers have reported plenty of frustrations with bugs,
though.  SAX support exists, but is wanting.  See also, xslt.  You can use
the fairly close to the metal libxml ruby bindings, as well, but the API is
very non-Ruby.

SPARQL tools: rdf.rb provides some fantastic libraries.  There's a SPARQL
gem, although it doesn't provide SPARQL update or property paths (
https://github.com/ruby-rdf/sparql).  That only matters to you, if, you
know, it matters to you.

Solr: There's rsolr and sunspot.  If you ever decide you'd like to try
ElasticSearch, there's Tire, which is great (I use it all the time).

MySQL/PostgreSQL: there are lots of ORMs, if that's what you're looking
for.  ActiveRecord is the most common, although DataMapper has a better API
(IMO).  I use Sequel a lot for performance or for PostgreSQL-specific
functionality (array/hstore fields, etc.)

Screen scraping tools: these exist, but I'm not all the familiar with them.
 I mostly just use HTTParty and Nokogiri.

SOAP: Again, YMMV with this.  I think Savon has a fantastic API, but I have
no idea how well it deals with the vagaries of different SOAP server
responses.

REST: There's the aforementioned HTTParty, although rest-client is probably
the most commonly used.

I think it's probably unrealistic to expect one language to handle all of
these well (well, there's Java, but then you've got other factors to
weigh).  I've found Ruby to be a pretty good all-purpose language.  Most of
my maintenance tools are written in Ruby as rake tasks (despite the fact
that the primary project I work on is written in PHP).  It helps that
Ruby's performance is beginning to catch up to Python's (although Python is
still faster for most things, I think).

-Ross.


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:

 Thanks, this is more along the lines I was looking for.

 I started using Python because PHP (my usual web language of choice) has
 quite poor libraries for SOAP requests, and Python was easy to use as a
 glue script to fill the SOAP holes in my program.

 One of the things I wanted to ask that went largely unanswered is what
 kinds of typical library coding activities are not very well supported in
 either language? For instance:

 -MARC i/o (both have this covered, I know, but it is a prime example)
 -XML tools
 -SPARQL tools
 -Working with Solr
 -MySQL/Postgres tools
 -Screen scraping tools
 -SOAP/REST tools

 ...etc.

 And I am limiting my inquiry to Python and Ruby because I am looking for
 quick glue script languages and not something to write a whole web app.
 For instance, something I can schedule as a cron task to get some remote
 data and index it locally. I would use PHP or Java for a full-blown
 application. I guess I should include Perl in the discussion, too, but
 Perl's syntax is a little heady for me.

 I am not trying to be incendiary here, so I hope you all do not respond to
 me as such. I think these are pretty reasonable and concrete questions.
 It's not like I'm asking What's the best language? in a general and
 open-ended way.

 Josh Welker
 Information Technology Librarian
 James C. Kirkpatrick Library
 University of Central Missouri
 Warrensburg, MO 64093
 JCKL 2260
 660.543.8022


 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Scott Turnbull
 Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:17 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

 I think it mostly comes down to what you're looking for out of the
 language choice.  Both are great language.  I love the explicitness and
 community around Python, the meta-programming features of Ruby are a lot
 of fun as well.

 Both have great communities that support a lot of diversity.  I feel
 python comes out a bit better on this but only just a bit.


 Some great fits for Python in libraries.
 -  Syntax is easy to learn so if you have to get a team working on the
 same skillset this is a big advantage.
 -  If you need to work with scholars who need to learn programming, the
 easy of learning python is a big advantage here.
 -  If you work in natural language processing or with geo-spacial data
 then python is particularly well suited.
 -  You need a stable language with good backwards compatibility.

 Some great fits for Ruby in libraries:
 -  If you do a lot of web development Rails is an obvious advantage,
 though rails dominance is almost a disservice to the Ruby community by how
 much it obscures the language.
 -  If you work with unstructured data I think Ruby comes out a little on
 top (just a little) and there are some neat meta-programming techniques to
 read and work with XML in 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

[Ross Singer]

Muahahahahahahaha!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you walked right into it!  You fools!

-Ross.

On Monday, July 29, 2013, Jay Luker wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edujavascript:;
 wrote:

  And I hate Python whitespace.

 Ah-ha!

 A more paranoid pythonista than I might suspect this whole thread was
 simply an exercise in Ruby shilling.

 --jay

Re: [CODE4LIB] StackExchange reboot?

[Ross Singer]

What, exactly, is the intended goal for the stack exchange sites?

We have pretty established and highly active forums of communication in our
field. What does SE bring to the table that's enough of an advantage to
pull people away from the existing forums?

These SE sites really seemed to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't
exist, especially, as noted by others, that the SE way is culturally
quite different than how we usually ask questions.

-Ross.
On Jul 6, 2013 1:21 PM, Collie, Aaron col...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:

 Hey,

 So, both the Libraries
 http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/12432/libraries-information-science
 and Digital Preservation
 http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/39787/digital-preservation
 StackExchange sites did not pass beta.

 Apparently there was not enough interest (e.g. 200 vs 1,500 visits/day)
 and I also suspect some issues with scope (e.g. information science vs
 libraries vs digital preservation) and execution.

 Am I the only one that feels like it is something worth revisiting?

 I would think given this community's success with backchannels and
 communication, the concept might benefit from some code4lib incubation. Or
 maybe that already happened and there is just not enough interest in a QA
 site.

 -Aaron

Re: [CODE4LIB] best way to make MARC files available to anyone

[Ross Singer]

Or the Internet Archive, since there are also a whole bunch of other MARC dumps 
there.

-Ross.

On Jun 12, 2013, at 4:25 AM, Owen Stephens o...@ostephens.com wrote:

 Putting the files on GitHub might be an option - free for public 
 repositories, and 38Mb should not be a problem to host there
 
 Owen
 
 Owen Stephens
 Owen Stephens Consulting
 Web: http://www.ostephens.com
 Email: o...@ostephens.com
 Telephone: 0121 288 6936
 
 On 12 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Dana Pearson dbpearsonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have crosswalked the Project Gutenberg RDF/DC metadata to MARC.  I would
 like to make these files available to any library that is interested.
 
 I thought that I would put them on my website via FTP but don't know if
 that is the best way.  Don't have an ftp client myself so was thinking that
 that may be now passé.
 
 I tried using Google Drive with access available via the link to two
 versions of the files, UTF8 and MARC8.  However, it seems that that is not
 a viable solution.  I can access the files with the URLs provided by
 setting the access to anyone with the URL but doesn't work for some of
 those testing it for me or with the links I have on my webpage..
 
 I have five folders with files of about 38 MB total.  I have separated the
 ebooks, audio books, juvenile content, miscellaneous and non-Latin scripts
 such as Chinese, Modern Greek.  Most of the content is in the ebook folder.
 
 I would like to make access as easy as possible.
 
 Google Drive seems to work for me.  Here's the link to my page with the
 links in case you would like to look at the folders.  Works for me but not
 for everyone who's tried it.
 
 http://dbpearsonmlis.com/ProjectGutenbergMarcRecords.html
 
 thanks,
 dana
 
 -- 
 Dana Pearson
 dbpearsonmlis.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] EBSCO LinkSource customers?

[Ross Singer]

Ok, I wanted to send back to the list what I found out, because there's some 
pretty useful (and completely undocumented AFAICT) info here:

Ben Hockenberry pointed out that they are able to circumvent the authentication 
via some customer ID that they set up.  He sent me this link:

http://linksource.ebsco.com/ls.c471c170-ceba-4e65-bdcc-42cd2401e9e8.true/linking.aspx?sid=googleauinit=Paulast=Bravenderatitle=Weeding+an+Outdated+Collection+in+an+Automated+Retrieval+Systemid=doi:10.1080/01462679.2011.605290title=Collection+Managementvolume=36issue=4date=2011spage=237

where the ls.{guid}.true supposedly means something.  I dug around in the pages 
that EBSCO serves from this, but I never found the string 
c471c170-ceba-4e65-bdcc-42cd2401e9e8 come up anywhere, except one place, the 
'ReviseRequest' form.

LinkSource sends the form values: 
sec.guid=c471c170-ceba-4e65-bdcc-42cd2401e9e8sec.auth=True in the 
ReviseRequest form and although I couldn't find this GUID in other LinkSource 
HTML page source (either from St. John Fisher College, Chesapeake College, or 
University of Lincoln), I decided to play around with the form query parameter 
some.

When I switched 'sec.guid' to 'sec.id' and sent the AtoZ customer ID as the 
value, I was able to both specify the institution and circumvent the 
authentication.

For Chesapeake College, this would be:

http://linksource.ebsco.com/linking.aspx?sid=googleauinit=Paulast=Bravenderatitle=Weeding+an+Outdated+Collection+in+an+Automated+Retrieval+Systemid=doi:10.1080/01462679.2011.605290title=Collection+Managementvolume=36issue=4date=2011spage=237sec.id=9922sec.auth=True

for University of Lincoln, this would be:

http://linksource.ebsco.com/linking.aspx?sid=googleauinit=Paulast=Bravenderatitle=Weeding+an+Outdated+Collection+in+an+Automated+Retrieval+Systemid=doi:10.1080/01462679.2011.605290title=Collection+Managementvolume=36issue=4date=2011spage=237sec.id=1710sec.auth=True

etc.  Note that you have to remove all linksource.ebsco.com cookies for this to 
work.

Anyway, I hope this is useful to somebody and I want to thank Ben Hockenberry 
and Eric Phetteplace for helping me out with this.  Now if I can only figure 
out a way to disable LinkSource's 'direct linking', I'm set.

Thanks!
-Ross.

On Jun 5, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I was wondering if there was anybody on the list that works for an 
 institution that uses EBSCO's LinkSource as their link resolver that 
 _doesn't_ hide it behind their single sign-on service.  Or, alternately, if 
 you know of one (from somewhere other than where you work), that's welcome, 
 too.
 
 I'm trying to find a cross-section to see how much variation occurs, but 
 having very little luck finding examples that aren't password protected.
 
 Thanks,
 -Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Subject Headings API

[Ross Singer]

Do FAST headings match anything?

I guess what I mean is, do you have data that uses FAST headings?  If not,
what is it matching?

-Ross.

On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Joshua Welker wrote:

 I finished the project. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions!

 I ended up using the OCLC Fast API (fast.oclc.org/searchfast/fastsuggest)
 rather than saving everything locally. Tracking down the entire LCSH
 authority listing and parsing it into a simple data format was just
 unwieldy.

 The search box I built suggests the LCSH terms from OCLC as well as
 LibGuides and LibraryH3lp FAQ links. jQuery UI Autocomplete is used for the
 suggestion functionality. The search box send actual searches to EBSCO
 Discovery Service. You can see it below on our homepage:

 https://library.sbuniv.edu


 Josh Welker

[CODE4LIB] EBSCO LinkSource customers?

[Ross Singer]

Hi all,

I was wondering if there was anybody on the list that works for an institution 
that uses EBSCO's LinkSource as their link resolver that _doesn't_ hide it 
behind their single sign-on service.  Or, alternately, if you know of one (from 
somewhere other than where you work), that's welcome, too.

I'm trying to find a cross-section to see how much variation occurs, but having 
very little luck finding examples that aren't password protected.

Thanks,
-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] ElasticSearch

[Ross Singer]

On Mar 14, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

 Anyone using it?

We do, what are you looking to know?

-Ross.

 
 Thanks,
 Cary
 
 -- 
 Cary Gordon
 The Cherry Hill Company
 http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] ElasticSearch

[Ross Singer]

So the main advantages to ES over Solr that I can think of offhand are the fact 
that you can store and search on complex JSON documents (that is, documents 
with nested objects, etc.) making it an effective standalone document database 
and the fact that it will automatically replicate and shard to other instances 
using zeroconf.

-Ross.

On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

 I am trying to decide whether we should evaluate it and possibly do a
 Drupal integration.
 
 I know that this is not a trivial question, but, being lazy, I would like
 to know in what ways it provides services that I can't get from Solr. I
 have looked at the comparo cheatsheet — http://solr-vs-elasticsearch.com
 
 Cary
 
 On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, MJ Suhonos m...@suhonos.ca wrote:
 
 Likewise, I've been using it since mid-2010 (0.6.0).  What do you want to
 know about it?
 
 MJ
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cary Gordon
 The Cherry Hill Company
 http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Slicing/dicing/combining large amounts of data efficiently

[Ross Singer]

I'd also consider using a document db (e.g. MongoDb) with the marc-in-JSON
format for this.

You could run jsonpath queries or map/reduce to get your answers.

Mongo runs best in memory, but I think you'll be fine since you don't need
immediate answers.

-Ross.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013, Andy Kohler wrote:

 I agree with Terry: use a database.  Since you're doing multiple queries,
 invest the time up front to import your data in a queryable format, with
 indexes, instead of repeatedly building comparison files.

 But of course, it depends... dealing with large amounts of data efficiently
 is often best done with lots of memory.  But if you can run mysql and the
 lengthy up-front parsing/loading/indexing of the records is acceptable, go
 for it.

 For what it's worth, I have done something similar for many years, where I
 build a database with all of our MARC records, parsed down to the subfield
 level.  It's great for queries like find me all the records with XYZ in
 one subfield and ABC in another or find all of the duplicate OCLC
 numbers.  It's not so great if you need to output the original field in a
 report (though it can be rebuilt from the subfields).

 Here's the Oracle table I use:
 CREATE TABLE bib_subfield
 (record_id INT NOT NULL
 ,field_seq INT NOT NULL
 ,subfield_seq INT NOT NULL
 ,indicators CHAR(2) NULL
 ,tag CHAR(4) NOT NULL
 ,subfield NVARCHAR2(4000) NULL
 )
 ;

 Our MARC data is Unicode, thus the NVARCHAR.  Super-long subfields like
 some 5xx notes do get truncated but that's a tiny fraction of a percentage
 of data lost, a fair tradeoff for our needs.

 field_seq and subfield_seq are numbers tracking the ordinal position of
 each field within the record, and each subfield within a field, for those
 occasional queries wanting data from the first 650 field, or subfields
 which aren't in the correct order per catalogers.  You may not need that
 level of detail.

 Another, completely unrelated, possible solution depending on your needs:
 run the records through solrmarc and do your queries via solr?

 Good luck... let us know what you eventually decide to do.

 --Andy

 On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Reese, Terry
 terry.re...@oregonstate.edu javascript:;wrote:

  Kyle -- if this was me -- I'd break the file into a database.  You have a
  lot of different options, but the last time I had to do something like
 this
  -- I broke the data into 10 tables -- a control table with a primary key
  and oclc number, a table for 0xx fields, a table for 1xx, 2xx, etc.
   including OCLC number and key that they relate too.  You can actually do
  this with MarcEdit (if you have mysql installed) -- but on a laptop --
 I'm
  not going to guarantee speed with the process.  Plus, the process to
  generate the SQL data will be significant.  It might take 15 hours to
  generate the database, but then you'd have it and could create indexes on
  it.  But you could use it to create the database and then prep the files
  for later work.
 
  --TR
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] A newbie seeking input/suggestions

[Ross Singer]

The intercom is a little different because, presumably, that's
building-wide. The doorbell's chime could be located in a staff area.

Although, I do think she said she's hearing-impaired, which would imply the
need for a multimodal alert.

-Ross.

On Friday, February 22, 2013, Kyle Banerjee wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Andreas Orphanides 
 akorp...@ncsu.edujavascript:;
 wrote:

  Staff numbers remain static, but responsibilities (and gate
  counts) keep increasing. As things get busier, we focus on our core
  responsibilities and some of the added stuff can fall to the wayside. If
  the overhead of participating in the backup system exceeds the available
  mental space, then people are going to forget/ignore it in lieu of more
  central concerns. I don't think this is indicative of poor staff quality,
  though -- just a natural process of triage.
 
  I don't think the correct solution is punitive -- that would only make
 the
  existing problem of managing responsibilities worse. Assuming that we're
  not going to get additional personnel, the best route is probably to
  implement a system that's as streamlined and easy as possible for the
  participants. This is why the doorbell works so well.
 

 Agreed on all points except the doorbell since the OP indicated that the
 intercom (which works the same as a doorbell for purposes here) wasn't an
 acceptable solution because the noise it made annoyed patrons.

 Expecting people to do good things and holding them accountable really
 doesn't have anything to do with punitive action. Oppressive methods and
 imposed solutions rarely work for the simple reason that people only do
 what you make them do rather than what is needed.

 The key to success is engagement. The key to getting people engaged is
 showing them that you know they're good, that others count on them, and
 that it's important that they deliver. If things don't go as expected, you
 need a discussion over what happened and how to make things better in the
 future. Expectations should never be low -- that all but guarantees nothing
 will happen.

 If the staff I work with had to deal with the backup problem that started
 this thread, we'd have a conversation to see what everyone thought would
 work best. Then we'd agree on something to try, touch base regularly to
 identify what's working, what's not, and decide how to proceed from there.
 If the solution for one problem causes other issues, that's part of the
 conversation.

 Every place I've ever worked, I'm told there is someone who can't do
 computers or operate X equipment (often this is reported by the person in
 question). I have yet to actually meet someone who actually is no good with
 this stuff and who can't be brought up to speed in a reasonable amount of
 time. My experience is that even the most adamant Luddites do just fine if
 you invest a little time and faith in them.

 kyle

[CODE4LIB] Project Ride Share Breakout Google Group created

[Ross Singer]

Hi everybody.  On the Wednesday breakout sessions in Chicago, we had a breakout 
that was titled Project Rideshare Board, which was about trying to come up 
with a solution to help libraries find cross-institutional development 
partners; advertise specs, needs and membership; and foster learning 
opportunities for new roles, languages, or responsibilities (project manager, 
development, etc.).

Here's the summary of the breakout (btw, if you attended, please add your 
name!):

http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2013_project_rideshare_breakout

And here's the Google Group where we'll test the whole viability of the concept 
by trying to create the rideshare board.

The groups is by no means limited to those that attended the breakout, so 
please join if you're interested in pushing this forward!

Thanks,
-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] GitHub Myths (was thanks and poetry)

[Ross Singer]

On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

 Shaun, you cannot decide whether github is a barrier to entry FOR ME (or 
 anyone else), any more than you can decide whether or not my foot hurts. I'm 
 telling you github is NOT what I want to use. Period.
 
 I'm actually thinking that a blog format would be nice. It could be pretty 
 (poetry and beauty go together). Poems tend to be short, so they'd make a 
 nice blog post. They could appear in the Planet blog roll. They could be 
 coded by author and topic. There could be comments! Even poems as comments! 
 The only down-side is managing users. Anyone have ideas on that?

Of course, these aren't mutually exclusive:

http://octopress.org/

-Ross.

 
 kc
 
 
 On 2/20/13 8:20 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
  (As a general rule, for every programmer who prefers tool A, and says
  that everybody should use it, there’s a programmer who disparages tool
  A, and advocates tool B. So take what we say with a grain of salt!)
 
 It doesn't matter what tools you use, as long as you and your team are able 
 to participate easily, if you want to.  But if you want to attract  
 contributions from a given development community, then choices should be 
 balanced between the preferences of that community and what best serve the 
 project.
 
 From what I've been hearing, I think there is a lot of confusion about 
 GitHub.  Heck, I am constantly learning about new GitHub features, APIs, and 
 best practices myself. But I find it to be an incredibly powerful platform 
 for moving open source, distributed software development forward.  I am not 
 telling anyone to use GitHub if they don't want to, but I want to dispel a 
 few myths I've heard recently:
 
 
 
 * Myth #1 : GitHub creates a barrier to entry.
 * To contribute to a project on GitHub, you need to use the command-line. 
 It's not for non-coders.
 
 GitHub != git.  While GitHub was initially built for publishing and sharing 
 code via integration with git, all GitHub functionality can be performed 
 directly through the web gui.  In fact, GitHub can even be used as your sole 
 coding environment. There are other tools in the eco-system that allow 
 non-coders to contribute documentation, issue reporting, and more to a 
 project.
 
 
 
 * Myth #2 : GitHub is for sharing/publishing code.
 * I would be fun to have a wiki for more durable poetry (github 
 unfortunately would be a barrier to many).
 
 GitHub can be used to collaborate on and publish other types of content as 
 well.  For example, GitHub has a great wiki component* (as well as a website 
 component).  In a number of ways, has less of a barrier to entry than our 
 Code4Lib wiki.
 
 While the path of least resistance requires a repository to have a wiki, 
 public repos cost nothing and can consist of a simple README file.  The 
 wiki can be locked down to a team, or it can be writable by anyone with a 
 github account.  You don't need to do anything via command-line, don't need 
 to understand git-flow, and you don't even need to learn wiki markup to 
 write content. All you need is an account and something to say, just like 
 any wiki. Log in, go to the anti-harassment policy wiki, and see for 
 yourself:
 https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/wiki
 
 * The github wiki even has an API (via Gollum) that you can use to retrieve 
 raw or formatted wiki content, write new content, and collect various meta 
 data about the wiki as a whole:
 https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/wiki/_access
 
 
 
 * Myth #3 : GitHub is person-centric.
  (And as a further aside, there’s plenty to dislike about github as
  well, from it’s person-centric view of projects (rather than
  team-centric)...
 
 Untrue. GitHub is very team centered when using organizational accounts, 
 which formalize authorization controls for projects, among other things: 
 https://github.com/blog/674-introducing-organizations
 
 
 
 * Myth #4 : GitHub is monopolizing open source software development.
  ... to its unfortunate centralizing of so much free/open
  source software on one platform.)
 
 Convergence is not always a bad thing. GitHub provides a great, free service 
 with lots of helpful collaboration tools beyond version control.  It's 
 natural that people would flock there, despite having lots of other options.
 
 
 
 -Shaun
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/19/13 5:35 PM, Erik Hetzner wrote:
 At Sat, 16 Feb 2013 06:42:04 -0800,
 Karen Coyle wrote:
 
 gitHub may have excellent startup documentation, but that startup
 documentation describes git in programming terms mainly using *nx
 commands. If you have never had to use a version control system (e.g. if
 you do not write code, especially in a shared environment), clone
 push pull are very poorly described. The documentation is all in
 terms of *nx commands. Honestly, anything where this is in the
 documentation:
 
 On Windows systems, Git looks for the 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fuseki and other SPARQL servers

[Ross Singer]

On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Hugh,
 
 I have investigated the possibility of deploying Fuseki as a war in Tomcat (
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JENA-201) because I wasn't sure how
 the default Jetty container would respond in production, but since you
 aren't having any problems with that deployment, I may go ahead and do that.

Fuseki/Jetty will have no problems scaling, it's what the Talis Platform used 
for large datasets.  I also ran a large dataset for quite a while with it. 

Which backend are you using?  TDB?  SDB?

-Ross.

 
 Ethan
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Hugh Cayless philomou...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ethan!
 
 We've been using Jena/Fuseki in papyri.info for about a year now, iirc.
 We started with Mulgara, but switched. It's running in its own Jetty
 container in our system, but I've had no performance issues with it
 whatever.
 
 Best,
 Hugh
 
 On Feb 20, 2013, at 14:31 , Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have been playing around with Fuseki (
 http://jena.apache.org/documentation/serving_data/index.html) for a few
 months to get my feet wet with accessing and querying RDF.  I quite like
 it. I find it well documented and easy to set up.  We will soon deploy a
 SPARQL server in a production environment, and I would like to know if
 others on the list have experience with Fuseki in production, or have
 other
 recommendations.  Mulgara is off the table as it inexplicably conflicts
 with other apps installed in Tomcat.
 
 Thanks,
 Ethan
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Libraries Sharing Code: The List Making

[Ross Singer]

Hi Pat,

While I like the idea of this, I'm having a hard time seeing how this is
going to stay up to date or how it will be able to deal with growth, etc.

I mean, I'm not too familiar with Ohloh or Masterbranch or their ilk, but
it seems like it would make more sense to carve out a spot on a service
that aggregates this sort of information already.

Does anybody know of a service that would serve our purposes for at least
part of this?  So maybe a combination of 'institutions with a SCM
organizational repo' and then piggyback onto a service for keeping up with
the code/specific people/etc?

-Ross.


On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Patrick Berry pbe...@gmail.com wrote:

 First, to the organizations doing this, thank you so much for sharing.  I'm
 sure I'm not the only person to notice the growth in code sharing,
 especially through Github.

 As we're associated with libraries, I thought it might be good to have a
 list, no matter how incomplete, of libraries sharing code.  As you might
 imagine Google searches for library or libraries tend be full of code
 libraries instead of Libraries with code.  Go figure...

 http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Libraries_Sharing_Code

 As with all wiki pages, please do add what isn't there.  Unless it's links
 to cheap prescription pills or something.  Don't do that.

 I will admit that originally this page was titled Libraries with Github
 Organizations but I quickly realized that the first response would point
 out the painfully obvious fact that you can share code without Github.
  Yes, I was aware of that before I started the page but I'll @blame jetlag
 and CST.

 Pat (the one from Chico)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Conference all-timers?

[Ross Singer]

On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm an (n-2)-timer.
 
You (n-2)-timing dog, you!

-Ross.

 
 On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Around where I was sitting - there was myself, Dan Chudnov and Karen
 Coombs.
 
 
 On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Michael J. Giarlo 
 leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Every year when hands shoot up in response to the question of how many
 of
 you have attended all code4lib conferences?, I neglect to note who's
 raising those hands.
 
 Who are my fellow all-timers?
 
 -Mike
 
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linked data [was: Why we need multiple discovery services engine?]

[Ross Singer]

On Feb 4, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Donna Campbell dcampb...@wts.edu wrote:

 In mentioning pushing to break down silos more, it brings to mind a
 question I've had about linked data.
 
 From what I've read thus far, the idea of breaking down silos of
 information seems like a good one in that it makes finding information
 easier but doesn't it also remove some of the markers of finding credible
 sources? Doesn't it blend accurate sources and inaccurate sources?

Provenance is especially important in this context, which I think is a crucial 
role that libraries can play.

-Ross.

 
 
 Donna R. Campbell
 Technical Services  Systems Librarian
 (215) 935-3872 (phone)
 (267) 295-3641 (fax)
 Mailing Address (via USPS):
 Westminster Theological Seminary Library
 P.O. Box 27009
 Philadelphia, PA 19118  USA
 Shipping Address (via UPS or FedEx):
 Westminster Theological Seminary Library
 2960 W. Church Rd.
 Glenside, PA 19038  USA
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Emily Lynema
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:56 AM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Why we need multiple discovery services engine?
 
 Here at NCSU, we use our locally-hosted Endeca service for our catalog
 and Serials
 Solutions Summon as an article search solution. Why do this?
 
 1. Our next-gen library catalog (Endeca) came first. This was before Solr
 hit
 the library world, and before library vendors started working on
 improving their bundled catalog apps. Our bundled catalog was terrible,
 and we
 wanted something better. This was back in the day when everyone was doing
 federated search for articles (think MetaLib).
 
 2. 4-5 years down the road, a number of vendors (Ebsco, Serials
 Solutions, etc.)
 were getting into the web scale discovery business. Aka, one big index
 that
 includes everything, in particular the citation content that libraries
 have
 historically not had local access to index / search. We bought Summon to
 solve the article search problem that federated searching never resolved
 for us. We wanted one access point for less experienced users who needed
 to
 find articles. Since we had backed away from federated search for
 articles,
 this was our big pain point; we already had a catalog we liked.
 
 We've actually loaded our catalog content into Summon, as well. So why
 keep both?
 We've done a LOT of work adding functionality into our local catalog,
 including
 enhanced title searching,lots of supplemental content, a quite complex
 local requesting system. So we can't just switch to the Summon interface
 without some effort.
 
 In addition, we have found that we prefer the bento box approach to
 searching across formats, as opposed to the integrated index approach
 of Summon.
 At least at this moment. We use this in the search across our library
 website [1]. It's just really, really hard to always surface the
 right kind of thing the user is looking for when the things you're
 indexing are
 different in nature (ex: bibliographic record vs. full-text of
 newspaper article). With the bento box approach, you have better
 opportunities to surface the different types of content available, while
 still having local systems optimized for specific content types.
 
 Maybe that's a long-winded excuse for not pushing to break down silos
 more. Time
 will probably tell.
 
 -emily
 
 [1] http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/search/?q=java

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 25, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here is your raw MARC record:
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 er, JPeg compatiblebrowser or image viewer.^^  ^_aMode of access: In
 ternet. Host: www.iea.com/Mddans/OAS/oasM-vhomepage.html^^  ^_aTitle
 from title screen.^^  ^_aMedical.^^ ^_aHome page of the Ophthalmic
 Anesthesia Society with articles, references, e-mailaddresses of mem
 bers, pictures and ophthalmic anesthesia resources.^^2^_aSocieties,
 Medical.^^ 2^_aOphthalmology.^^ 2^_aAnesthesia.^^2 ^_aOphthalmic Ane
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NICE DETAIL!  WOULD COPY CATALOG FROM AGAIN!

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Fitchett, Deborah 
deborah.fitch...@lincoln.ac.nz wrote:

 People did raise specific issues with Zoia which can reasonably be fit into 
 the code of conduct's definition of harassment (many of which have therefore 
 been addressed) so saying no one has spoken up seems strange. People did 
 speak up. Some people listened and did something about it; some people 
 objected ~You're spoiling our fun and this kind of reaction is what has the 
 potential to make some people nervous about speaking up, because no-one wants 
 to spoil people's fun.

When we're talking about you're spoiling our fun, are we talking about zoia's 
offensive plugins?

I don't think I've seen anybody leap to the defense of @mf or @forecast (or any 
of the others mentioned).  Some people have poured some of their craft beers on 
the ground for their fallen plugins, but I don't think anybody's actually come 
out and actively objected to cleaning up the bot's language.  In fact, on the 
contrary, I think people have been pretty proactive about looking for the 
things that need to be cleaned up and trying to archive what's there before 
cleansing.

I am not sure a defense of zoia is the same thing as a defense of @habla or 
@icp (as two examples).

If we're not talking about zoia anymore, then apologies,
-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anybody using the Open Library APIs?

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:04 PM, David Fiander da...@fiander.info wrote:
 The documentation for the APIs is weak, and it looks like it hasn't been
 updated for a while. Has anybody used them much, or know what the state of
 ongoing development of them is?

I am pretty sure that there is no ongoing development of Open Library.  Others 
may be able to provide more details.
 
 All I'm really looking for at this point is a way to convert an ISBN into
 basic bibliographic data, and to find any related ISBNs, a la OCLC's xISBN
 service.

You can't do this via the API, because there's no way to search for work_id (at 
least none that I'm aware of).  I was running an xISBN clone with the OL data, 
but it stopped working when Talis shut down the Platform...

The dataset isn't that large, however.  It may be worthwhile to download it and 
create your own xisbn style services.  It might be even better to hack up 
something at Code4lib13 (or, elsewhere) to take the monthly dumps and create a 
similar service.  I imagine you're not alone in wanting this.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

[Ross Singer]

Karen, I don't think there's any way we could do that.  zoia is just another 
participant in the channel, just like you or I would be, so it's exactly like 
interacting with another person.

And one thing that I think is *somewhat* important to note before we give zoia 
the bum's rush or something before the conference, it's worth pointing out that 
zoia (and zoia's predecessor, panizzi) predates the conference and, in fact, 
presented at the first one:

http://www.wallandbinkley.com/quaedam/2006/02_16_panizzi-speaks.html

I don't mind gagging some of the noisier plugins (or I really like the idea of 
a @timeout plugin that shuts people off from zoia for a specified time period), 
but zoia is a pretty central code4lib character.

Also, we generally ritually clear the karma database at the very end of the 
conference, which would be weird if zoia wasn't invited.

-Ross.

On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

 Bill, I realize that. That's opt-out, and anyone new to IRC is not going to 
 know that. So I am asking for the opposite, which may not be a current 
 feature of IRC, but that those who wish to see Zoia's replies (and who 
 therefore know about Zoia) should opt-in.
 
 Another option is a separate channel for the conference, but that may seem 
 new and foreign to everyone, not just to new users.
 
 kc
 
 On 1/17/13 9:50 PM, William Denton wrote:
 On 17 January 2013, Karen Coyle wrote:
 
 Is another possibility is for Zoia to be opt-in rather than opt-out?
 
 If you say
 
/ignore zoia all
 
 your IRC client will ignore everything she says.  You still see what other 
 people say to her, which is a bit odd, but it really makes the channel a lot 
 clearer.
 
 Bill
 
 -- 
 Karen Coyle
 kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
 ph: 1-510-540-7596
 m: 1-510-435-8234
 skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just because zoia has always been there (or panizzi) doesn't mean zoia
 ought to be there going forward. Karen's point I think deserves
 consideration. If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then
 remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid
 of the bot, we can just remove the offending plugins.

To be fair (and I haven't had my coffee, yet), this is what I meant (and I was 
in the middle of another email trying to explain this more).

zoia is the product of nurture, not nature, so I agree.  /zoia/ isn't the 
problem, because having a bot in an active channel with a (fairly) stable 
community is a useful addition.

The offensive and/or annoying plugins don't serve any real purpose besides 
entertainment value.  I would much rather cut them away (we've done it plenty 
of times in the past: jive, markov, etc.) then ditch the bot altogether.

I guess that was what I was trying to get at.  Focus on the messages rather 
than the messenger :)

-Ross.
 
 /dev
 
 
 On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Karen, I don't think there's any way we could do that.  zoia is just
 another participant in the channel, just like you or I would be, so it's
 exactly like interacting with another person.
 
 And one thing that I think is *somewhat* important to note before we give
 zoia the bum's rush or something before the conference, it's worth pointing
 out that zoia (and zoia's predecessor, panizzi) predates the conference
 and, in fact, presented at the first one:
 
 http://www.wallandbinkley.com/quaedam/2006/02_16_panizzi-speaks.html
 
 I don't mind gagging some of the noisier plugins (or I really like the
 idea of a @timeout plugin that shuts people off from zoia for a specified
 time period), but zoia is a pretty central code4lib character.
 
 Also, we generally ritually clear the karma database at the very end of
 the conference, which would be weird if zoia wasn't invited.
 
 -Ross.
 
 On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
 
 Bill, I realize that. That's opt-out, and anyone new to IRC is not going
 to know that. So I am asking for the opposite, which may not be a current
 feature of IRC, but that those who wish to see Zoia's replies (and who
 therefore know about Zoia) should opt-in.
 
 Another option is a separate channel for the conference, but that may
 seem new and foreign to everyone, not just to new users.
 
 kc
 
 On 1/17/13 9:50 PM, William Denton wrote:
 On 17 January 2013, Karen Coyle wrote:
 
 Is another possibility is for Zoia to be opt-in rather than opt-out?
 
 If you say
 
   /ignore zoia all
 
 your IRC client will ignore everything she says.  You still see what
 other people say to her, which is a bit odd, but it really makes the
 channel a lot clearer.
 
 Bill
 
 --
 Karen Coyle
 kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
 ph: 1-510-540-7596
 m: 1-510-435-8234
 skype: kcoylenet
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Sent from my GMail account.

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The offensive and/or annoying plugins don't serve any real purpose besides 
 entertainment value.  I would much rather cut them away (we've done it plenty 
 of times in the past: jive, markov, etc.) then ditch the bot altogether.

s/then/than/ # coffee

I need unit tests for my emails this morning, obviously.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

[Ross Singer]

I'd be loathe to gag @tdih, because it's educational and only gets called once 
or twice a day, but that's me.

@blockparty is pretty spammy, as is @alpha

Also @urbandict is probably the most offensive command.

-Ross.

On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Adam Wead aw...@rockhall.org wrote:

 At the risk of opening a can 'o worms, there are others that utilize the 
 invective:
 
 @habla
 @ana
 
 @ana can sometimes return offensive phrases.  Sadly, it's one of the 
 channel's favorites, so I'm reluctant to put it on the (temporary) chopping 
 block.
 
 …adam
 
 On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote:
 
 I'd like to propose that zoia (the IRC bot that provides help and
 entertainment in the #code4lib IRC channel) have some of its normal plugins
 disabled during conf. With three or four times as many people online during
 conference, things can get out of hand.
 
 Lots of zoia plugins can be useful during conference; I'm mostly thinking
 of stuff whose utility is suspect and whose output covers several lines.
 Some examples:
 
  - @mf
  - @cast
  - @tdih
  - @sing
 
 The goal, really, is to try and turn the firehose that the IRC channel
 becomes into something at least plausibly manageable in realtime.
 
 I can also make a case for things that newbies will just find confusing
 (chef, takify, etc.) or offensive (@forecast, @mf again) but I'll let
 others potentially make that case.
 
 
 
 -Bill-
 
 
 --
 Bill Dueber
 Library Systems Programmer
 University of Michigan Library
 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] T-Shirt voting is now open!

[Ross Singer]

On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:25 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote:

 dre wrote:
 There's a sign-in button at the upper right of the voting page. This uses
 your code4lib.org username and password (not your wiki user/pass).
 
 Once you're logged in you should see the voting options.
 
 Thanks for the email.  Now I've got a code4lib.org username, I tried
 to log in.  I had to enable javascript to get the vote site to work at all.
 It should at least mention that (fortunately, my organisation lets me
 enable javascript for specific sites) and ideally it should be allowed
 to vote without it, because some libraries are really locked down.

I am skeptical of this claim.

In 2013, if organizations are disabling javascript, tremendous parts of the web 
are broken for them.

That said, the diebold-o-tron is FLOSS 
(http://code.google.com/p/conferencekeeper/source/checkout - currently running 
from the 'diebold' branch), so patches welcome if you have the inclination to 
submit a non-js dependent version.

-Ross.
 
 Regards,
 -- 
 MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op.
 http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
 In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
 Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

[Ross Singer]

Joshua, I don't think there is anything I can really add to what you've, in
my mind, summed up perfectly.

Six years ago, after a regrettable incident of insensitivity that I was
directly involved in [1], we had a similar period of reflection and
discussion about the culture we wanted to foster here.  Roy said something
at the time that has stuck with me, the group that is the dominant
majority cannot understand what it's like to be an underrepresented
minority and therefore cannot dictate how they integrate into your group.
 Or something.  I'm paraphrasing, it was 6 years ago or so, after all.
 Anyway, the point is, it's not up to you to determine how other people
should feel about something if you want to include them in your community.

So, while, like Joshua says, it stings that we apparently haven't come far
enough that we don't need, as Bohyun called them, IGs, who are we to object
if that's what makes the place more welcoming (which, really, should be the
goal)?

-Ross.
1. I won't go into detail, but it's a source of shame and guilt and
something I've regretted since it happened. But it did happen and I own it.
Ultimately, however, it had the positive effect of both changing me and,
more importantly, was the catalyst for making Code4lib a far more inviting
place, which gives me hope -- applied toward the tech community at large --
for the redemptive quality of humanity when it has the will to do so.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Joshua Gomez jngo...@gwu.edu wrote:

 The past week or so I've been struggling to understand the reason for the
 strong opinions against a women's support group as a subbranch of code4lib
 or as an external entity. One argument is the reverse discrimination
 argument.  I'm not sure how many have actually been making this argument
 but it has definitely been made by some. I have little sympathy for this
 argument. Perhaps it makes logical sense when the situation is looked at in
 a very narrow perspective, but in the larger view which takes account of
 social context and history, it loses validity. And I don't think that
 reverse discrimination is the true concern of most of those that have
 voiced opinions against a sub-community for women (at least I hope not).

 Others have mentioned they fear that a subgroup will only decrease the
 diversity within code4lib by pulling women away from it and into the new
 group.  This was my initial concern as well, but when I look at other kinds
 of women in tech groups I realize that they don't decrease women's
 participation in mainstream groups. In fact they help boost women's
 profiles and skill sets, thus increasing their likelihood of participating
 in mainstream groups.

 I may be way off base here, but I think there is also something else going
 on besides those first two concerns. I think there is also a collective
 fear of shame and failure.  I think many of the white males in this
 community truly are sensitive to issues of equality and they want to show
 their support by making code4lib a place known for supporting diversity and
 equality. When a group which feels treated as less than equals creates a
 support group for themselves that creates public shame for the original
 group for failing to achieve its goals of equality. What's more, the idea
 of a splinter group came so soon on the heels of the original thread about
 the anti-harassment policy. The policy suggestion received a very large and
 very immediate showing of support from the community. So splintering now
 just as the community is showing what it can do to support diversity and
 equality is particularly frustrating.

 I can sympathize with those feelings.  But perhaps the support shown last
 week was simply too little too late. Especially considering that there are
 those still  pressing the first argument mentioned and making the situation
 uncomfortable. And since I am not a member of the group that has been
 discriminated against I don't think I or anyone else not in that group
 should try to dissuade them from doing what is in their best interest.

 Joshua Gomez
 Digital Library Programmer Analyst
 George Washington University Libraries
 2130 H St, NW Washington, DC 20052
 (202) 994-8267



 On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:

  I'm all for people creating new social structures to move themselves
  forward doing it however they see fit. The internet is a big place, and
  there's room for more. In this case, though, I hope it will be an and
  operation, not an exclusive or. I would be happy to hear that a new
 group
  formed and that it's going well. I would be disappointed if people in
 that
  group ended up moving away from this one big group. It happens, and I'd
 get
  over it, sure, but it'd still be disappointing. We gain something by
  gathering together like we have here. It's not exclusive, nor should it
 be.
  But code4lib has added so much to me and my work that I know how much I
  stand to lose if we do not also 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Ross Singer]

Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!

While it doesn't change my default position, yes we need more diversity among 
Code4lib presenters!, I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you can draw 
the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially given the 
survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't underrepresented in the 
Code4lib program).

If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their 
demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no 
idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably 
biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue that 
surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is 57/42 from 
this, I don't think.

What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to the 
number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to see how 
this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.

This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together, though.  
Thanks, again to you and Karen!
-Ross.
On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Friends,
 
 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
 conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for you
 to kick back and read through.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Datahttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
 but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Summaryhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit
 Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
 summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts (from
 above), and a summary of the results.
 
 Let the discussion begin,
 Rosalyn
 
 P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
 sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please blame
 my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Ross Singer]

Right, what I'm saying is that this survey is subject to response bias 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_bias - It also occurs in situations of 
voluntary response, such as phone-in polls, where the people who care enough to 
call are not necessarily a statistically representative sample of the actual 
population), which doesn't render it irrelevant, it just can't, by itself, be 
declared representative of the non-participating community's demographics.

My point here isn't that it's not representative, it's that we can't know 
because the subject matter of the survey (which is about gender inequality, 
esp. among females) inherently produces statistical bias.

-Ross.

On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:

 Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
 
 Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the 
 assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
 
 If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for how likely is 
 this to be a fluke are only accurate if your self-selected sample is 
 representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you how 
 likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on the 
 circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be completely 
 valid, you need a random sample).
 
 Is my understanding.
 
 On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
 Ross,
 
 I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
 according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
 survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
 put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
 size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and confidence
 interval (+/- 4.6%).
 
 Rosalyn
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
 
 While it doesn't change my default position, yes we need more diversity
 among Code4lib presenters!, I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
 can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
 given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
 underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
 
 If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
 demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
 idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
 biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
 that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
 57/42 from this, I don't think.
 
 What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
 the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
 see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
 
 This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
 though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
 -Ross.
 On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Friends,
 
 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
 conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
 you
 to kick back and read through.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Data
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
 
 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
 but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Summary
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit
 
 Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
 summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts
 (from
 above), and a summary of the results.
 
 Let the discussion begin,
 Rosalyn
 
 P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
 sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please
 blame
 my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.
 
 
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing fora. was: Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

[Ross Singer]

On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote:

 Or just use Reddit's OS codebase*.
  https://github.com/reddit

Unless you're volunteering to host and maintain this...

Seriously, folks, if we can't even figure out how to upgrade our Drupal 
instance to a version that was released this decade, we shouldn't be discussing 
*new* implementations of *anything* that we have to host ourselves.

-Ross.

 
 Tom
 
 * though I'm personally hoping there won't be another channel to keep track
 of.
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote:
 
 On 12/3/12 2:14 PM, MJ Ray wrote:
 
 This listserv looks threaded to me.  Maybe you need to upgrade
 Thunderbird, although I could have sworn it's done threaded for
 a while now.
 
 
 I was thinking of something that has a Vote to Promote feature. I feel
 that it's important to give folks a chance to support ideas even if they
 don't have a lot to add comment-wise.  It's a good way to gauge interest
 among folks who are not top talkers.  The Vote to Promote pattern is
 designed as an unobtrusive, democratic way to show support for ideas and
 focus the discussion toward constructive commentary [1].
 
 Interestingly enough, the RailsBridge curriculum project implements a
 simple version of this pattern as its core project[2].  I wonder if it
 would be a good starting point for a collaborative project?  Everyone who
 takes the workshop will know how this app works and should be able to add
 to it in the months that follow the conference.
 
 One of the MIT Mentorship Program tips [3] recommends making sure mentors
 get something in return (that it's not all giving on the part of the
 mentor). Since, according to Jonathan, we have a paucity of volunteer
 coders, perhaps the RailsBridge app could be an ongoing github project and
 a way to enlist more volunteers to give back to Code4Lib. Mentees might be
 expected to contribute something after the workshop and get a feel for
 software collaboration on github with their mentors in a helpful
 environment?
 
 Whether or not people would use such a tool in addition to the listserv, I
 don't know.  Vote to Promote requires a critical mass to make it
 worthwhile, but it's hard to gauge actual support without testing it.
 
 [1] 
 http://ui-patterns.com/**patterns/VoteToPromotehttp://ui-patterns.com/patterns/VoteToPromote
 [2] 
 http://docs.railsbridge.org/**curriculum/http://docs.railsbridge.org/curriculum/
 [3] http://mit.edu/uaap/prog_tips.**htmlhttp://mit.edu/uaap/prog_tips.html
 
 
 
 Unless you do something pretty silly - like insisting everyone
 register with github
 
 
 Unfortunately, in order to collaborate on the anti-harrassment policy, you
 do need to have a github account, or lobby someone who does to make a
 change for you.  But I think most would agree that's better than hashing
 out such details on this list.
 
 
 --
 Shaun D. Ellis
 Digital Library Interface Developer
 Firestone Library, Princeton University
 voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

[Ross Singer]

Shaun, I think you missed my point.

Our Drupal (and per Tom's reply, Wordpress -- ...and I'm going to take a stab 
in the dark and throw MediaWiki instance into the pile) is, for all intents and 
purposes, unmaintained because we have no in charge of maintaining it.  Oregon 
State hosts it, but that's it.

Every year, every year, somebody proposes we ditch the diebold-o-tron for 
something else (Drupal modules, mediawiki plugins, OCS, ... and most recently 
Easy Chair), yet nobody has ever bothered to do anything besides send an email 
of what we should use instead.  Because that requires work and commitment.

What I'm saying is, we don't have any central organization, and thus we have no 
real sustainable way to implement locally hosted services.  The Drupal 
instance, the diebold-o-tron (and maybe Mediawiki) are legacies from when 
several of us ran a shared server in a colocation facility.  We had skin in the 
game.  And then our server got hacked because Drupal was unpatched (which 
sucked) and we realized we probably needed to take this a little more seriously.

The problem was, though, when we moved to OSU for our hosting, we lost any 
power to do anything for ourselves and since we no longer had to (nor could) 
maintain anything, all impetus to do so was lost.

To be clear, when we ran all these services on anvil, that wasn't sustainable 
either!  We simply don't have the the organization or resources to effectively 
run this stuff by ourselves.  That's why I'm really not interested in hearing 
about some x we can run for y if it's not backed up with and my organization 
which has shown commitment through z will take on the task of doing all the 
work on this.

-Ross.

On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Shaun Ellis sha...@princeton.edu wrote:

 Tom, can you post the plugin to Code4Lib's github so we can have a crack at 
 it?
 
 Ross, I'm not sure how many folks on this list were aware of the Drupal 
 upgrade troubles.  Regardless, I don't think it's constructive to put new 
 ideas on halt until it gets done.  Not everyone's a Drupal developer, but 
 they could contribute in other ways.
 
 -Shaun
 
 On 12/4/12 10:27 AM, Tom Keays wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Seriously, folks, if we can't even figure out how to upgrade our Drupal
 instance to a version that was released this decade, we shouldn't be
 discussing *new* implementations of *anything* that we have to host
 ourselves.
 
 
 Not being one to waste a perfectly good segue...
 
 The Code4Lib Journal runs on WordPress. This was a decision made by the
 editorial board at the time (2007) and by and large it was a good one. Over
 time, one of the board members offered his technical expertise to build a
 few custom plugins that would streamline the workflow for publishing the
 journal. Out of the box, WordPress is designed to publish a string of
 individual articles, but we wanted to publish issues in a more traditional
 model, with all the issues published at one time and arranged in the issue
 is a specific order. We could (and have done) all this manually, but having
 the plugin has been a real boon for us.
 
 The Issue Manager plugin that he wrote provided the mechanism for:
 a) preventing articles from being published prematurely,
 b) identifying and arranging a set of final (pending) articles into an
 issue, and
 c) publishing that issue at the desired time.
 
 That person is no longer on the Journal editorial board and upkeep of the
 plugin has not been maintained since he left. We're now several
 WordPress releases
 behind, mainly because we delayed upgrading until we could test if doing so
 would break the plugins. We have now tested, and it did. I won't bore you
 with the details, but if we want to continue using the plugin to manage our
 workflow, we need help.
 
 Is there anybody out there with experience writing WordPress plugins that
 would be willing to work with me to diagnose what has changed in the
 WordPress codex that is causing the problems and maybe help me understand
 how to prevent this from happening again with future releases?
 
 Thanks,
 Tom Keays / tomke...@gmail.com
 
 
 -- 
 Shaun D. Ellis
 Digital Library Interface Developer
 Firestone Library, Princeton University
 voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

[Ross Singer]

On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:

 While I agree with ross in general about suggesting technical solutions 
 without suggesting how they are going to be maintained -- agree very strongly 
 -- and would further re-emphasize that it's improtant to remember that ALL 
 software installations are living organisms (Ranganthan represent!), and 
 need ongoing labor not just initial install labor
 
 I don't agree with the conclusion that the _only_ way to do this is with a 
 central organization or my organization which has shown
 commitment through z
 
 I think it IS possible to run things sustainably with volunteer decentralized 
 not-formal-organization labor.
 
 But my experience shows that it _isn't_ likely to work with ONE PERSON 
 volunteering.  It IS more likely to work with an actual defined collective, 
 which feels collective responsibility for replacing individual members when 
 they leave and maintaining it's collective persistence.

FWIW, this is more what I meant (although stated much better).  That is, a 
clearly defined plan, with a group that is dedicated to the ongoing maintenance 
of said plan.

The journal is a good example of this.

On the other hand, a non-distributed approach (see: OSU's commitment with 
Drupal and Mediawiki) is also fine, as long as the institutional commitment is 
there.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder? / Coursera fork

[Ross Singer]

I started taking the Functional Programming in Scala course offered a couple 
of months ago, but it was an enormous time commitment. I had a week-long trip 
to the office (in the UK - my job is a long and confusing story) which got me 
so far behind (two weeks, the way the lessons ran), that I would have had no 
hope of catching up (with, like Shaun, a full-time job and two young children), 
so I had to drop out after about 3 or 4 weeks. 

I'm sort of conflicted about this. I understand Coursera's problem: courses 
can't be too simple, or else there's no legitimacy. But at the same time, every 
course can't be a weeder course, either. I legitimately spent *way* more time 
per week on this course than I did on *any* course in college (at least not 
this much effort /every week/), but at the end of the day, the amount of any 
practical knowledge I was gaining from the course was being far overwhelmed by 
things I actually needed to be learning immediately for my job and general 
obligations to my life and family. 

Maybe I just chose the wrong class, but Coursera's curriculum seems pretty 
terrible for professional development. It's great, however, if you have time to 
be a full-time student. 

-Ross. 

On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Donahue, Amy adona...@mcw.edu wrote:

 Another little quick comment, adding to the chorus of lurkers and people who 
 aren't sure if they're coders.  Someday I hope to get to a code4lib 
 conference (if only to tell people in person I knew Jonathan Rochkind way 
 back when), but in the meantime I've been on this list on and off (but mostly 
 on) since I graduated, and it's been nothing but a wonderful resource, and a 
 place I know I can always turn for that time when I have a tech question.
 
 But I wanted to point out a possible resource for those of us who aren't sure 
 of what we know and who want to know more.  Coursera has been on my radar 
 through multiple channels, but not yet on here.  It appears they do have some 
 basic programming courses, as well as theory.  I'm curious to know if anyone 
 has taken any of these, or has any thoughts on this method of learning... 
 https://www.coursera.org/category/cs-programming
 
 Amy
 ---
 Amy Donahue, MLIS, AHIP
 414.955.8326
 User Education/Reference Librarian
 Medical College of Wisconsin Libraries - Link. Learn. Lead.
 http://www.mcw.edu/mcwlibraries.htm
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bess 
 Sadler
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:07 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?
 
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Christie Peterson cpeter...@jhu.edu wrote:
 
 If this were training in the sense of a seminar or a formal class on the 
 exact same topics, I would be eligible for full funding, but since it's a 
 conference, it's funded at a significantly lower level. I'll gladly take 
 suggestions anyone has for arguments about why attendance at these types of 
 events is critical to successfully doing my work in a way that, say, 
 attending ALA isn't -- and why, therefore, they should be supported at a 
 higher funding rate than typical library conferences. Any non-coders 
 successfully made this argument before?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Christie S. Peterson
 
 Christie you are not the only person who can get travel funding for training 
 but not for conferences, and you are not the only person on the fence about 
 whether you belong in code4lib. In my mind you are exactly the kind of person 
 I would like to attract to code4lib, so I very much hope you'll join us. 
 Archives in particular are facing significant technological challenges right 
 now, and as someone who has been known to develop software for born digital 
 archives[1] I have seen how vital it is to have a common language and 
 vocabulary, and a common way of approaching problem solving, in order to 
 create a system that will actually work according to archival principles. 
 
 One option to consider would be signing up for one of the pre-conferences. 
 Given the background you've described and the challenges you face in your 
 career, I think you could make a very strong argument that having a basic 
 introduction to programming concepts would be helpful for you. Luckily there 
 is a free full-day of training to be had the day before the conference 
 starts! Please consider joining us at the RailsBridge and/or Blacklight 
 workshops or at any of the other workshops that look interesting to you that 
 you think you could pitch as training. 
 
 Even outside of the code4lib context, I strongly encourage others who face 
 those kinds of travel funding constraints to get creative. Some of the best 
 learning opportunities of my life and the best pivotal moments in my career 
 happened because members of this community decided there was an unmet need 
 and they were going to do something about it. CurateCAMP springs to mind. The 
 

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Mark Pernotto mark.perno...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
 Dude, I'm positive I'm a coder because I spend a whole lot of time coding, 
 and I think I do it pretty decently -- and search in Google is a key part 
 of my workflow!   So is debugging.   Hopefully 
 copy-and-paste-coding-without-knowing-what-i'm-doing is not, however, true.
 
 But no need to be elitist about it.
 
 Here, here!  But I do really try to figure out what the code does
 before implementing/deploying.

I just cut, paste, and deploy.

The users will tell me if I got it right.

The secret to my success ®,
-Ross.

[CODE4LIB]

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote:

 Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up 
 and everything! But, it never got much traction.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
 http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship

I really like the idea of the mentorship, but I think that if people are 
apprehensive about asking questions on a mailing list or in an IRC channel, it 
takes it to a new level when asking somebody to help you one-on-one for an 
extended period of time.

And I say that as somebody would love to mentor someone.

I had a conference proposal that I can up with the night before the CfP closed 
that was project board for libraries to jointly collaborate on developing the 
sorts projects that get built over and over again at every library, with the 
idea that collaborative development could both immediately expand the 
development teams at any given library, but also foster this sort of 
mentor/learner relationship.

At the end of the day, though, I wasn't sure that anybody would actually get 
over our usual we're all unique little snowflakes mindset and work with other 
institutions to get stuff done.  In the interest of full disclosure, what 
/actually/ happened at the end of the day was the DPLA AppFest wound up at the 
Honest Pint and when I got home I went to bed.

But I'm pretty sure that first part would be a hurdle, though.

-Ross.

 
 -nruest
 On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
 +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind 
 people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one, 
 but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the 
 community, I would think.
 
 Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that 
 addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only 
 improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech 
 leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training 
 needs.
 
 Bess
 
 On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman ntall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
 code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up
 with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in
 my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the existing
 resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm
 sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for more
 inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
 
 It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
 
 Just a thought.
 
 Nathan
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote:
 
 I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
 asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my
 first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial
 committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!).
 
 It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers
 who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved.
 
 As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on
 implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
 the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
 auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
 different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a
 stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
 impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
 interesting experiment to leave off the names.
 
 Kelley
 
 PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
 the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to
 do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
 
 
 **
 Kelley McGrath
 Metadata Management Librarian
 University of Oregon Libraries
 1299 University of Oregon
 Eugene, OR 97403
 
 541-346-8232
 kell...@uoregon.edu
 
 
 -- 
 -nruest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How often do people send in more than two proposals anyway?

A lot.  A whole lot.

That said, I don't think we should limit this.  If the program committee is 
comfortable with weeding the second (third, fourth!) elected proposals out in 
favor of the next most popular presentations, I don't see the problem.

FWIW, we have done this since the very first conference (Casey Durfee, I think, 
had two proposals voted in and we asked him to choose one and let the next 
highest vote getter in).

-Ross.
 
 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com wrote:
 Curious about the no limit on number of proposals per person.  I know
 we've discussed this before, but I don't remember the reasoning for
 this decision.  Is it just that we limit in the actual presentation (1
 presentation max per person) so various proposals are okay?  Why not
 just limit up front?
 
 Thanks,
 Kevin
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm really glad to see this discussion continuing. It seems like
 there's a good amount of support for at least giving a certain amount
 of sessions over for the program committee to decide.
 
 At 15%, we'd be looking at 3-4 slots reserved for the program
 committee (whoever that might be next year) to do with as they wish.
 If there's no opposition, I'd still like to propose giving the
 committee the flexibility to use those slots to diversify the
 program, one major consideration being first time presenters, but not
 being an absolute requirement.
 
 Limits
 As of right now, we are still sticking to these limits, and I'd be in
 favour of keeping it
 * 1 presentation max per person (not including pre-conf)
 * 2 presenters max per presentation
 * No limit on number of proposals per person
 
 Agreed: presenter anonymity--

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mentorship Buddies

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote:

 Getting traction for mentoring online is always difficult, but what
 about starting that mentorship at code4libcon?
 
+1 - being face-to-face might help ease the tension.

Having a sort of speed dating setup might help make better fits between 
mentors and mentees, as well.

That is, a roomful of nerds deferring passively to one another might not get us 
very far :)  Something more structured about what people want to learn and what 
mentors know and how they get along together would probably make for a more 
productive outcome.

-Ross.

 Maybe almost like a buddy system, so that the first meeting between a
 mentor and mentee is at a code4libcon (national, regional, or
 otherwise) if possible.
 
 This might simply be a good idea for first timers who are not going
 with colleagues too.
 
 Just throwing out some ideas here...
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote:
 Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up
 and everything! But, it never got much traction.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html
 http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship
 
 -nruest
 
 On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
 
 +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind
 people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one,
 but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the
 community, I would think.
 
 Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that
 addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only
 improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech
 leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training
 needs.
 
 Bess
 
 On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman ntall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does
 code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up
 with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in
 my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the
 existing
 resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm
 sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for
 more
 inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring.
 
 It would also be a way to directly engage minorities.
 
 Just a thought.
 
 Nathan
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu
 wrote:
 
 I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly
 asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written
 my
 first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the
 editorial
 committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks
 Jonathan!).
 
 It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of
 lurkers
 who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more
 involved.
 
 As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop
 on
 implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in
 the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started
 auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the
 different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether
 a
 stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's
 impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an
 interesting experiment to leave off the names.
 
 Kelley
 
 PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of
 the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more
 to
 do with not being a coder than with being a woman.
 
 
 **
 Kelley McGrath
 Metadata Management Librarian
 University of Oregon Libraries
 1299 University of Oregon
 Eugene, OR 97403
 
 541-346-8232
 kell...@uoregon.edu
 
 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Proposed Changes to Future Conference Program Choosing

[Ross Singer]

On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us wrote:
 
 I favor limiting up front. One of the issues we have been discussing
 is that perception that Code4Lib is not as inclusive as it can or
 should be. I believe having multiple proposals from the same person(s)
 and, for that matter, multiple proposals from the same institution(s),
 does nothing to help counter this perception, and possibly perpetuates
 it.

Since I'm pretty intimately aware of the minutiae of the proposals (since I 
have to load them one-by-one into the diebold-o-tron every year), I am pretty 
sure that multiple proposal submission is not the exclusive domain of 
conference veterans.

It is a pretty healthy mix of people I know and people I don't.

While I still stick to not having a problem with multiple submissions, I can 
see an issue in the case of second proposals that are similar to other 
proposals.  That said, the process is never going to be perfect, having some 
editorial discretion on the part of the program committee seems to me to 
mitigate the worst of the downsides.

-Ross.