[Elecraft] K2 4777 Good news/Bad news and questions

2005-04-03 Thread Mike Monger
Hi Fellow Elecrafters,

First off I would like to thank all who responded to my questions concerning 
soldering the lugs/tabs of slug tuned coils.  And, about how long it might take 
Elecraft to send a replacement for a missing part.  As for the missing part and 
replacement, it was ten days for me to receive mine, from the day I reported it 
missing.  It was 4 days before they got it shipped out (since they had gotten 
behind) and took 6 days to get here (TN from CA).  So, all things considered, 
not to bad.


Here is my good/bad news report on progress with K2 4777.  Got the missing 
component today and got it installed, finished with all the resistance checks 
(all seemed to be in range), VCO voltage checks (none of the voltage checks 
were less than 1.5 volts or greater than 6 volts).  Setting up filters, 
alignments etc all seemed to go well.  Thus, I would say that is all good news. 
 

Now, the bad news.  In the process of doing my first VCO voltage check  my DMM 
ground probe (I am guessing) fell over from where it was attached to one of the 
ground points on the RF board and shorted to something.  Since, smoke started 
to rise.  Upon inspection, I found that R82 (an 18 ohm resistor) to the left of 
the noise blanker on the schematic and in the 12 volt supply line was 
burned/blackened.  Needless to say, I was sickened.  But, I continued on with 
all the tests/alignments.  Since, I could not see how that particular resistor 
would have any effect on what I was testing/aligning.  And, all was well.

Questions are:

1.  If I recall correctly, BFO frequency range was to be between 9.7/9.8 to 
some amount higher, I came up with 9.5 or 9.6, is this significant or are we 
splitting hairs here?

2.  Concerning the smoked resistor,  is it imperative that I replace it with an 
18 ohm resistor?  Or, can I opt to replace it with the closest standard value I 
have on hand (which is either a 15 or 22 ohm)?  I ask this, since I don't know 
the design criteria.  But, (from what little I know about design) I know that 
often (when a circuit is designed) the values that are calculated (for a 
particular component) are often replaced by the closest standard value that is 
on hand.


Thanks In Advance,

Mike
KT2E
K2 4777

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[Elecraft] T1 and a large measure of embarrassment.

2005-04-03 Thread Bill Scovell
Greetings from down-under,
I believe it may make me feel a little 
better if I share this embarrassment with the group.
My T1 kit which was shipped on March 21 arrived a few days ago and yielded the 
usual perfect inventory, but of course the shipment preceded the Rev. A-1 
errata (March 29) so I was short of two 1 watt 51 ohm resistors and an FT47-43 
toroid which knowing the Elecraft service ethic are probably on their way to me 
now, however, carefully reading the assembly manual I saw that there were two 
components that could be loaded before the first 51 ohm was required namely the 
two female BNC connectors so I thought I would get started.
I carefully aligned the connectors per the instructions and did a creditable 
soldering job on both --- on the WRONG SIDE of the board --- shock! horror! and 
a large measure of embarrassment.
I don't have any sophisticated de-soldering equipment and promptly decided that 
a new board must of necessity be the solution, so a quick Email to Scott and 
Brian was sent, but minutes after doing this a long dormant adventurous streak 
within me manifested itself and kept saying 'there must be a way, there must' 
and there was!
It took a board vice, two soldering irons (one in each hand) and the XYL 
suitably protected with heat proof gloves to perform the extraction and the 
task was accomplished --- the through plating undamaged and the board still 
looking pristine --- quite proud of myself, oops ourselves, and the earlier 
embarrassment just a little bit diminished.
Another Email to Scott and Brian cancelling the earlier one, and now I'm just 
waiting on two 1 watt 51 ohm resistors because I found a spare toroid in the 
junk box.

Cheers from Bill Scovell / VK4SQ 
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RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Peter Zenker
Hello Marinos,

There have been several schematics using such technics over the last 20
years. Most of them use a seperate short antenna, feeding the signal pase
shifted into  a combiner which combines the main Antenna Signal with the
phases shifted extra antenna signal. This construction can reduce a lot of
man made noise. 
I remember there was a commercial available stand alone unit sold by a small
english company.
I myself built such a unit to help reducing my noise problem especialy at
160m (I live in the middle of Berlin, Noise level in the evening is  S7)
But I forgot the unit during the time because I do not have an 160m Antenna
any longer.

73 de Peter, DL2FI 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:45 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?
 
 Just a question for the technically inclined group members:
 
 How feasible or worth the effort, would be the addition of an 
 option to the
 K2 which would sample RF noise from a ferquency close to the used
 band,(tunable?) which is devoid of signals, phase invert and 
 reinject the noise to an IF stage or even the antenna input 
 in order to cancel our the white or pulse noise components, 
 preserving the desired signal ?
 
 Why similar circuits are not preferred in HF receiver designs 
 instead of DSP filters ?
 
 Similar circuits are commonly used in biomedical devices 
 (called linear averagers if I am not mistaken) and are very 
 effective in isolating electric signals from a particular 
 organ eg Heart in EKG or brain area of interest in EEG, 
 filtering out the irrelevant noise from the muscle cells...
 
 Just some food for thought.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Hum Solved

2005-04-03 Thread ROBERT PHILLIPS

Thks for the replies,

A/C hum was from my laptop puter, I split feed the out put to mixw to check 
on signals and zero  beat. Moving it away from K1 did the trick.


Bob KC8IPQ



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Hum



Hi All,

My K1 is out traveling with me, getting a lot of low sounding distortion 
(hum) and key clicks when sending.


This radio is a used one I picked up on ebay and seemed to work OK at 
home. BTW at home I was using my bencher paddle, now I'm using a new PAL I 
purchased.


Bob KC8IPQ
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Re: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Bill Tippett

http://www.mfjenterprises.com/products.php?prodid=MFJ-1025

http://www.w8ji.com/mfj-1025_1026.htm

73,  Bill  W4ZV

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RE: [Elecraft] K2 4777 Good news/Bad news and questions

2005-04-03 Thread Dan Barker
I don't know enough to be sure, but here's my stab in case noone else chimes
in.

r82/r83 appear to be a voltage divider for q22.

If r82 becomes 22ohm, then r83 ought to go up 122% also.

Another thought, since there's lots of room on that part of the board.

Use 2 of each (15, 22), series/parrallel and make 18.5. Then order right
part and put it in when it shows up.

   +-- 15 --- 22 ---+
---||---
   +-- 15 --- 22 ---+

or two 33's or two 4.7's and a 10, or ... whatever.

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456


snip

2.  Concerning the smoked resistor,  is it imperative that I replace it with
an 18 ohm resistor?  Or, can I opt to replace it with the closest standard
value I have on hand (which is either a 15 or 22 ohm)?  I ask this, since I
don't know the design criteria.  But, (from what little I know about design)
I know that often (when a circuit is designed) the values that are
calculated (for a particular component) are often replaced by the closest
standard value that is on hand.
/snip

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RE: [Elecraft] XG1 battery voltage(s) reference needed

2005-04-03 Thread Allen C. Ward
Rick,
You must have a circuit problem, either there is a bad component, or a 
component in the wrong place, a bad solder joint or something in the oscillator 
is drawing too much current.
Check U2 for 1.22 volts.  Make sure R9 is correct value.  Check voltage at the 
junction of R10 and R11 should be close to 1.5 volts for a good battery.
Allen KA5N
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RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.

Hi Peter,
Would this type of noise canceler not work on white noise also ?
73,
Marinos, ki4gin


From: Peter Zenker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.' 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:03:51 +0200

Hello Marinos,

There have been several schematics using such technics over the last 20
years. Most of them use a seperate short antenna, feeding the signal pase
shifted into  a combiner which combines the main Antenna Signal with the
phases shifted extra antenna signal. This construction can reduce a lot of
man made noise.
I remember there was a commercial available stand alone unit sold by a 
small

english company.
I myself built such a unit to help reducing my noise problem especialy at
160m (I live in the middle of Berlin, Noise level in the evening is  S7)
But I forgot the unit during the time because I do not have an 160m Antenna
any longer.

73 de Peter, DL2FI

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:45 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

 Just a question for the technically inclined group members:

 How feasible or worth the effort, would be the addition of an
 option to the
 K2 which would sample RF noise from a ferquency close to the used
 band,(tunable?) which is devoid of signals, phase invert and
 reinject the noise to an IF stage or even the antenna input
 in order to cancel our the white or pulse noise components,
 preserving the desired signal ?

 Why similar circuits are not preferred in HF receiver designs
 instead of DSP filters ?

 Similar circuits are commonly used in biomedical devices
 (called linear averagers if I am not mistaken) and are very
 effective in isolating electric signals from a particular
 organ eg Heart in EKG or brain area of interest in EEG,
 filtering out the irrelevant noise from the muscle cells...

 Just some food for thought.


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RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)

2005-04-03 Thread david feldman

Hello Jim,

The two solutions I've looked at so far are unappealing (going all the way
to the 100W level, or the hfpack-based project which includes a DC/DC
converter to run it's transistors at 28V, which has it's own efficiency 
impact.)


I have been looking for a more modest power increase, perhaps to 25-50W,
optimized for CW (no need for idling collector current), and suitable for
operation at collector voltages down to ~9V (to be consistent with K1's
input voltage range, which is a big value to me.) The Ten-Tec 405 is
a little closer (2W in gives 50W out, and consumes 7-8 amps at full output,)
but I'm not sure how it does at lower collector voltages, it's linear,
it's bulky, and in any event, it's not produced. It would be great if 
whatever

is developed could be mechanically part of the K1 (a new top cover, in space
that would be occupied by the internal battery pack, for example) and could
leverage the internal low-pass transmit filters (but for this the toroids 
may have

a saturation limit, and I doubt the band modules were ever designed with
this sort of use case in mind.)

I also had a short e-mail exchange with Wayne that ended in my suggesting
a new 3-band module covering 80 and two other bands (perhaps 40/30 or
40/20); I think something like this would be really valuable as we are now
at a lower point of the solar cycle than when the K1 was first developed.

In any event, I hope the K1 is kept alive in terms of product development!

73 Dave WB0GAZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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From Space Cadet To the Mother Ship (Elecraft):

I sure enjoy my K1, s/n #01453, and use it daily.  However, there are times
when I'm chasing DX that I'd like to be able to switch in a 10 dB boost to 
my
output.  Could we explore the feasibility of offering a kit amplifier for 
the

K1 (say a KPA-1)?

I'd suggest that most owners of the K1 would immediately purchase it (1500+
units?).  It could also make the K1 more attractive to the part-time 
QRPers,
like me.  The only disadvantage that immediately comes to mind is that the 
KAT-1

antenna tuner couldn't be used with it and would have to be removed.
However, perhaps the KPA-1 could be plugged in its place?  Are we looking 
at 7-8 amps

current draw, instead of 1 amp?

If you're a subscriber to this list and would like to see a KPA-1 amplifier
kit, please join me in letting Elecraft know.

R/ Jim K5HO



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Re: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)

2005-04-03 Thread Benny Aumala

Having K2, also I would like to see K1 with 80-40-20
(and build it ASAP).
Many of my friends tell taking K1 everywhere with them in
spite of having K2 aswell.

Instead of power I would like to concentrate to simple but
efficient antennas. Changing from vertical to horizontal gives up to 6dB.
Having full dipole free means much more than a linear. A good antenna
gives double bonus: same improvement in reception.

Benny OH9NB

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:50:21 -0600, david feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



I also had a short e-mail exchange with Wayne that ended in my suggesting
a new 3-band module covering 80 and two other bands (perhaps 40/30 or
40/20); I think something like this would be really valuable as we are  
now

at a lower point of the solar cycle than when the K1 was first developed.






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Re: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread G3VVT
 
In a message dated 03/04/05 12:11:33 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
writes:

There  have been several schematics using such technics over the last 20
years.  Most of them use a seperate short antenna, feeding the signal pase
shifted  into  a combiner which combines the main Antenna Signal with  the
phases shifted extra antenna signal. This construction can reduce a lot  of
man made noise. 
I remember there was a commercial available stand  alone unit sold by a small
english company.



---
 
The Antenna interference cancelling unit in the UK was from SEM a company  in 
the Isle of Man (GD). No longer seem to be in business. There is one from MFJ 
 still on the market and believe a model may have come from a company called  
NIR (now part of Timewave? cannot find any info on the Timewave web site)  
though could be wrong on this latter unit.
 
I built my own from a design from G4WMX for a Null Steerer that was  
circulating in the UK in 1989. I can remember my late father in law  Ted, G3UUA 
building one at the time and was impressed with how well it  worked, taking his 
S9 
level of interference out totally. About two years back  when suffering from 
local electrical interference I had a go at building the  same unit. There is 
a PCB produced by Geoff Steedman, M0BGS available now as  well as a kit of 
parts to populate the bare PCB. For the kit of parts with PCB,  I paid £25 
(US$47 
approx). Built it up into a diecast box and have it  permanently in the RX 
antenna feed. Easy for me as I have a separate TX/RX on  the QRO rig. 
Alternately has PTT switch feed to enable it to be used in the  antenna feed of 
a 100W 
HF transceiver. With a suitable auxiliary antenna it can  null out quite high 
levels of local interference, the limiting factor being  the amount of wanted 
signal also picked up by the auxiliary antenna. With the  power off the unit is 
totally bypassed.
 
The downside with mine is that with the unit active, the wanted  signal is 
attenuated somewhat and even more when nulling out interference. The  upside is 
that it can still make a vital difference in hearing signals  buried under 
local interference. I believe Geoff, M0BGS has modified more recent  PCB to add 
an emitter follower to the outgoing main antenna feed to offset  through 
losses. Will have to try to modify my PCB to add this.
 
I have the scanned circuit and notes somewhere in my PC for the original  
unit before the emitter follower was added. If anybody wants to have a go  at 
constructing this device and needs the info, contact me direct.
 
Bob, G3VVT
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RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Peter Zenker
 I think no. 
White noise by definition is no statistic, therefore IMO it cannot be
eliminated because at no time it has a defined phase angle.

73 de Peter  

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 Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 3:26 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?
 
 Hi Peter,
 Would this type of noise canceler not work on white noise also ?
 73,
 Marinos, ki4gin
 
 From: Peter Zenker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.' 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?
 Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:03:51 +0200
 
 Hello Marinos,
 
 There have been several schematics using such technics over 
 the last 20 
 years. Most of them use a seperate short antenna, feeding the signal 
 pase shifted into  a combiner which combines the main Antenna Signal 
 with the phases shifted extra antenna signal. This construction can 
 reduce a lot of man made noise.
 I remember there was a commercial available stand alone unit 
 sold by a 
 small english company.
 I myself built such a unit to help reducing my noise problem 
 especialy 
 at 160m (I live in the middle of Berlin, Noise level in the 
 evening is 
  S7) But I forgot the unit during the time because I do not have an 
 160m Antenna any longer.
 
 73 de Peter, DL2FI
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marinos 
   Markomanolakis, M.D.
   Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:45 AM
   To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
   Subject: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?
  
   Just a question for the technically inclined group members:
  
   How feasible or worth the effort, would be the addition 
 of an option 
   to the
   K2 which would sample RF noise from a ferquency close to the used
   band,(tunable?) which is devoid of signals, phase invert and 
   reinject the noise to an IF stage or even the antenna 
 input in order 
   to cancel our the white or pulse noise components, 
 preserving the 
   desired signal ?
  
   Why similar circuits are not preferred in HF receiver designs 
   instead of DSP filters ?
  
   Similar circuits are commonly used in biomedical devices (called 
   linear averagers if I am not mistaken) and are very effective in 
   isolating electric signals from a particular organ eg 
 Heart in EKG 
   or brain area of interest in EEG, filtering out the 
 irrelevant noise 
   from the muscle cells...
  
   Just some food for thought.
  
  
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RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)

2005-04-03 Thread Peter Zenker
 I also had a short e-mail exchange with Wayne that ended in 
 my suggesting a new 3-band module covering 80 and two other 
 bands (perhaps 40/30 or 40/20); I think something like this 
 would be really valuable as we are now at a lower point of 
 the solar cycle than when the K1 was first developed.
 


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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft K1-4 FS - new SOLD!

2005-04-03 Thread Pete Meier
Thanks to all. The K1 will happily be passed to one of ours in service 
overseas!!


Pete WK8S

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RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)

2005-04-03 Thread david feldman
I understood that there was some inter-band dependency, but I had not 
considered that the 4 band module could be made to 3 bands this way. That 
would be good news; the 80-40-30 combination is likely the most frequently 
used configuration I would need. I looked at the 4-band module and many of 
it's components are very small, but perhaps the PC board layout still could 
be adapted by using the space freed from the adjacent unused band? Would the 
unit need software changes so it would expect this behavior in the software?


73 Dave WB0GAZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]


From: Peter Zenker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'david feldman' [EMAIL PROTECTED],elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:12:34 +0200

Sorry, excuse
I hit the wrong button.

No my response to the mail

Swiss Hams always need 80m due to their yearly traditional National 
Mountain

Day

 I also had a short e-mail exchange with Wayne that ended in
 my suggesting a new 3-band module covering 80 and two other
 bands (perhaps 40/30 or 40/20); I think something like this
 would be really valuable as we are now at a lower point of
 the solar cycle than when the K1 was first developed.


I could help some of them with an easy to do mod of the standard 4 Band
modul. The problem is, you can only use 2 neighbour bands per section an 
not
harmonic bands without changing of bandmodules. If you use the first 
section

for 80 meter, you can use the second section for 40/30 Meter.

73 de Peter


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RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)

2005-04-03 Thread Peter Zenker
David

You only need the 11,5 MHz Xtal Elecraft is using in the standard 2 band
version plus some caps.

Section 1 is equipped with all parts for 80m, LPF datas can be overtaken
from the K1 80m Module

Section 2 is built identical to former section 1 as 40/30m Module.

Peter




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david feldman
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:38 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)
 
 I understood that there was some inter-band dependency, but I 
 had not considered that the 4 band module could be made to 3 
 bands this way. That would be good news; the 80-40-30 
 combination is likely the most frequently used configuration 
 I would need. I looked at the 4-band module and many of it's 
 components are very small, but perhaps the PC board layout 
 still could be adapted by using the space freed from the 
 adjacent unused band? Would the unit need software changes so 
 it would expect this behavior in the software?
 
 73 Dave WB0GAZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 From: Peter Zenker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'david feldman' [EMAIL PROTECTED],elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)
 Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:12:34 +0200
 
 Sorry, excuse
 I hit the wrong button.
 
 No my response to the mail
 
 Swiss Hams always need 80m due to their yearly traditional National 
 Mountain Day
 
   I also had a short e-mail exchange with Wayne that ended in my 
   suggesting a new 3-band module covering 80 and two other bands 
   (perhaps 40/30 or 40/20); I think something like this would be 
   really valuable as we are now at a lower point of the solar cycle 
   than when the K1 was first developed.
  
 
 I could help some of them with an easy to do mod of the 
 standard 4 Band 
 modul. The problem is, you can only use 2 neighbour bands 
 per section 
 an not harmonic bands without changing of bandmodules. If 
 you use the 
 first section for 80 meter, you can use the second section for 40/30 
 Meter.
 
 73 de Peter
 
 
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RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Robert McGwier

-Original Message-

Would this type of noise canceler not work on white noise also ?
___




The simplest answer is no.  White noise typically arrives from random
directions, with random phases,  random polarizations, etc. etc. etc. and
are usually from thermal and uncorrelated sources.  The principle
of operation of these phasing units IS THAT THEY CAN BE PHASED to
eliminate unwanted signals since they are from a sufficiently point like
source that a null can be tuned on top of them.  How is this done?

You can arrange to add an interfering signal 180 degrees out of phase
with one from the intended antenna while not killing the signal of
interest to the point it is not heard.  In other words, you increase
the signal to (signal+interference) ratio.  To the extent that this
is automated, it is a smart antenna.   The importance of them having
equal responses to the interferer so that simple phasing works is
a tricky business.  If amplification is required to do this, then
you have the myriad problems (IP3, IMD, DR, MDS, etc) to deal with
in this new system.  Since we are not asking for a perfect null,
but some serious suppression, these conditions can be relaxed.

If the noise source is localized or coming from a direction that is
not nearly collinear (within the 3dB beamwidth of say a directive
antenna) with the signal of interest, it can be nulled with these
phasing methods irrespective of its power spectral distribution,
white, poisson, tone, etc.


This is all reasonably complicated as you can see.

Bob
N4HY



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Re: [Elecraft] K1 - 6 bands simultaneously?

2005-04-03 Thread David Toepfer
It's likely been thouugh of by many, but discussed by few.

dt
.

--- david feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is probably FAQ, but I'm curious if/how the K1 is set up for 6 bands 
 simultaneously (basically a K1-4 with an extra 2-band filter module.) I'd 
 really like to find a way not to have to open the rig to switch between band 
 sets, and would like to have access to 80 and 15/17 along with the core K1-4 
 bands. Just a quick look it seems internally like a wider version of the 
 K1-4 board (extending towards the front panel) would make it possible to 
 host the extra K1-2 (along presumably with the supporting firmware to drive 
 relays on both modules.) I'm fairly new to the list and product so if this 
 has been discussed before, please excuse the noise.
 
 73 Dave WB0GAZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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[Elecraft] What Firmware version is the K2 currently at? Nt

2005-04-03 Thread Phil Townsend


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RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
 Would this type of noise canceler not work on white noise also ? 73,
 Marinos, ki4gin
 
 
That depends a lot on the source of the noise, broadband (white) or
otherwise. These circuits depend upon a second antenna picking up the noise
better than the signal. Then the signal from the noise antenna is inverted
and added to the signal from the main antenna. Adjustment of both phase and
the signal levels in the circuit is required so that when a pulse of noise
from one antenna hits, say +10 uV, the same pulse from the other antenna
hits - 10 uV at the same instant so they add together and produce an output
of zero volts. The result is that the noise is cancelled out while,
hopefully, the signal remains. 

Even a wire on the ground will pick up a distant signal. Indeed, a wire on
the ground sometimes picks up the signal with less noise that a huge wire in
the air! One of the most effective low noise receiving antennas known is a
wire on the ground or sometimes even buried a few inches below the surface
of the earth! (And insulated). So the noise canceling system works in some
situations and not in others. As one person pointed out, it often results in
significant attenuation of the desired signal too when the desired signal is
being picked up by both antennas.

How well the system works on broadband noise depends upon how stable the
phase relationship remains between them. Some noise will arrive via ground
wave, multiple reflections from the ionosphere and even reflections from
nearby objects that may shift constantly. That will cause the phase
relationship, and the degree of cancellation, to shift considerably as well.
For that reason these blankers have been most effective on locally-generated
noise arriving by stable ground wave. Sky wave noise simply shifts too much
to provide a useful null.

I have what many Hams call (for the lack of a better word) a counterpoise
that I often use with tinkering with end-fed radiators. It's simply a wire
about a meter or so off of the ground that runs from the shack window in two
directions: along a porch in one direction and along a fence in another
direction. I have found that this low, random wire sometimes makes a superb
receiving antenna. Often I can hear signals better using it than using my
doublet overhead, especially on the lower bands, thanks to a much lower
noise level it picks up. That fits with regular reports over the decades
that noise is often attenuated far more by the earth than the signals
arriving via sky wave. 

Sure, signals overall are weaker with an antenna near the ground, but that
is of absolutely no consequence. In receive, antenna gain is unimportant as
long as the receiver signal-to-noise ratio is such that the
internally-generated receiver noise won't mask the signals. Any of the HF
Elecraft rigs has an internal noise level that will allow even a very lossy,
small antenna to be used to maximum effectiveness when receiving. Just turn
on the preamplifier or turn up the volume to make up for the low signals
from the antenna. Using my counterpoise for a receiving antenna often
gives me huge improvement in signal to noise levels, especially on 160 and
80 meters. 

Some Hams have reported excellent results receiving on a length of old coax
thrown on the ground! 

Bottom line: The noise canceling system seems to be most effective when the
noise antenna can be positioned so as to pick up the noise much better than
it can the signal, and the noise source is nearby and providing a stable
phase relationship at both antennas. A purpose-built receiving antenna close
to the ground may be more effective, especially when trying to pull weak DX
out of the noise level. 

Ron AC7AC





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RE: [Elecraft] Tin Whiskers

2005-04-03 Thread Jeff Burns
I have never purchased extended warrantees on electronics, but I may start.
Lead is being outlawed in electronics in Europe, and most of the rest of the
world is going the same way. I work in automotive electronics, and have been
aware this was coming for years, but our customers are now starting to
demand lead-free products. There is lots of work going on to figure out how
to make reliable products without lead, but I expect there will be lots of
problems.  

Jeff Burns
AD9T

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walkington
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:47 AM
To: Elecraft-Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Tin Whiskers

Check this out, and hope that you used some solder with Pb in it!

 http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/photos/


Mike
VK1KCK
K2#2599



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[Elecraft] Strange Voltage in KPA100

2005-04-03 Thread Dr. J.R. Sheller
I finished K2 #4690 about a month ago..works great and meets all specs.  
2 weeks ago I finshed   the KAT100 which will live in an EC2 along with 
a KPA100.  I installed a KIO2 in the K2 and hooked up the KAT100  and my 
laptop...  All is well and worked perfectly.. all voltages were 
correct.  I am now building the KPA100.  Yesterday, I had reached the 
point where you ck the voltages in the KPA100 [page 23].  All voltages 
were within spec EXCEPT pin 27 of U1  This voltage should be 5.8VDC and 
is 3.98VDC.   This is the 8R line, which comes out of the K2 at abt 7.98 
VDC.


I followed this voltage back thru to the KIO2.  The control lines are as 
follows:  KIO2 in K2 hooked to DB9 on back of K2 This cable runs to 
the DB9 on rear of KAT100.   The KPA100 ribbon cable connects to P4 on 
the KAT100 board. 

The 8VDC  [8R] line is 7.98VDC up till R1 [3.9K]  on the KIO2  board.  
Without the control cable attached the the voltage on pin #9 on the KIO2 
DB9 is 7.98vdcwith the cable connectiong the KIO2 to the KAT100 the 
voltage drops to 3.98.. Looking at this line [8R] in the KAT100, it 
enters thru pin #9 on J3 runs to pin # 9 on P4 [ where the ribbon cable 
for the KPA100 connects] and thenon to the gate of Q3 the FET switch.  
There is a 3,9K. resistor to ground on the gate of Q3.. 

So,  R1  in the KIO2 is in series with the  8R line and RP1  [ the 3.9K 
to ground off this line]  form a voltage divider.  This explains the 
3.98VDC on pin 27 of U1 in the KPA100.   By the way the current draw on 
this 8R line is 10 ma. 

Is this low valtage going to cause any problems in the KPA100 
operation?   I assume that the reason for this is that with the KPA100 
moounted in the K2 box.. the control ribbon cable would hook up direct 
and avoid the KIO2.   In this  normal hookup.. the  DB9 on the K2 
would be used for the PC hookup only.



IM SORRY TO HAVE BEEN SO WORDY.. But just wanted to give all the info I 
had.  Tom, N0SS  and I came to these conclusions on the phone, last 
nite,,but would like to hear other input.. 



Is this correct?   Wll it cause any problem?   



Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Doc K8RR

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Re: [Elecraft] Feasibility of KPA-1(?)

2005-04-03 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
You can run the HFPacker amp at 12v instead of 24v and get less current 
draw and less power out.  Plus it would be smaller.  Also you don't need 
to build the output filter on the K5OOR board since your K1 doesn't 
cover 160-10...you could build a switchable filter for just the 2 or 4 
bands you use and make it into a small 2-board solution.

Leigh / WA5ZNU

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 6:51 am, david feldman wrote:

Hello Jim,

The two solutions I've looked at so far are unappealing (going all the 
way

to the 100W level, or the hfpack-based project which includes a DC/DC
converter to run it's transistors at 28V, which has it's own efficiency 
impact.)


I have been looking for a more modest power increase, perhaps to 
25-50W,
optimized for CW (no need for idling collector current), and suitable 
for

operation at collector voltages down to ~9V (to be consistent with K1's
input voltage range, which is a big value to me.) The Ten-Tec 405 is
a little closer (2W in gives 50W out, and consumes 7-8 amps at full 
output,)

but I'm not sure how it does at lower collector voltages, it's linear,
it's bulky, and in any event, it's not produced. It would be great if 
whatever
is developed could be mechanically part of the K1 (a new top cover, in 
space
that would be occupied by the internal battery pack, for example) and 
could
leverage the internal low-pass transmit filters (but for this the 
toroids may have
a saturation limit, and I doubt the band modules were ever designed 
with

this sort of use case in mind.)

I also had a short e-mail exchange with Wayne that ended in my 
suggesting

a new 3-band module covering 80 and two other bands (perhaps 40/30 or
40/20); I think something like this would be really valuable as we are 
now
at a lower point of the solar cycle than when the K1 was first 
developed.


In any event, I hope the K1 is kept alive in terms of product 
development!


73 Dave WB0GAZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From Space Cadet To the Mother Ship (Elecraft):


I sure enjoy my K1, s/n #01453, and use it daily.  However, there are 
times
when I'm chasing DX that I'd like to be able to switch in a 10 dB 
boost to my
output.  Could we explore the feasibility of offering a kit amplifier 
for the

K1 (say a KPA-1)?

I'd suggest that most owners of the K1 would immediately purchase it 
(1500+
units?).  It could also make the K1 more attractive to the part-time 
QRPers,
like me.  The only disadvantage that immediately comes to mind is that 
the KAT-1

antenna tuner couldn't be used with it and would have to be removed.
However, perhaps the KPA-1 could be plugged in its place?  Are we 
looking at 7-8 amps

current draw, instead of 1 amp?

If you're a subscriber to this list and would like to see a KPA-1 
amplifier

kit, please join me in letting Elecraft know.

R/ Jim K5HO



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RE: [Elecraft] XG1 battery voltage(s) reference needed

2005-04-03 Thread Rick Commo
Allen,

I believe that you are correct and figured that my XG1 had too much current
draw.  I will do that as soon as I have the chance.  Right now am just a bit
busy getting a couple of computers built up to replace some boxes that
recently went belly up.  In a couple of weeks I'll be recuperating from some
surgery and plan on having my K2 and some other stuff upstairs with me to
keep me entertained.  Will do the checking then.

73s  thanks,
-rick, K7LOG

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Rick,
You must have a circuit problem, either there is a bad component, or a
component in the wrong place, a bad solder joint or something in the
oscillator is drawing too much current.
Check U2 for 1.22 volts.  Make sure R9 is correct value.  Check voltage at
the junction of R10 and R11 should be close to 1.5 volts for a good battery.
Allen KA5N
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RE: [Elecraft] RF Noise canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Sverre Holm
-Original Message-
Would this type of noise canceler not work on white noise also ?
__
White noise typically arrives from random directions, with random phases,
random polarizations, etc. etc. etc. and are usually from thermal and
uncorrelated sources.  
---

pick on details
If you want to use the proper signal processing terminology here, then white
noise is a spectral property and only means broadband. It says nothing about
directionality. The corresponding directional term is isotropic noise.

So the answer is that the noise canceller works for noise sources with
directionality, white or not does not matter as our radios are narrowband
anyway. The assumption is that the noise is directional so that two antennas
can receive different proportions of signal and noise. The canceller will
not work with isotropic noise sources.
/detail picking

73

Sverre
LA3ZA
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net

2005-04-03 Thread Kevin Rock

Sorry Folks,
   In an effort to do a million things at once I forgot when the time 
change occurs.  Not Sunday but Saturday night!  Thus this errata message.


The Elecraft CW Net will be held:
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4pm PDT) 14050 kHz
Monday 0200z (Sunday 7pm PDT)  7045 kHz

I try to keep my skeds at the same local times so we all can work around 
the time changes.  I just noticed a discrepancy between my battery powered 
clock and my computer's automatically updated clock.  Hopefully this will 
not prevent any of you from giving the Elecraft CW Net a holler.  Same as 
yesterday: an Elecraft radio is not necessary, power levels can be what 
ever you like, CW code speed can be as fast or slow as you like.  But if 
you are faster than I can copy you may need to slow down ;)  Tom, N0SS, is 
out and about working the Missouri QSO Party so may not be around for 
either net.  He normally covers for me when some QRQ op comes along.


Please join us if you can.  Happy Daylight Savings Time (but not in AZ, 
HI, or parts of IN).

   73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Less than perfect Net Control Operator)


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[Elecraft] Which audio level variation over full AGC range acceptable ?

2005-04-03 Thread Marcus Busch [DL1EKC]
Hi folks,

a friend of mine just reported to me his K2 (which I built for him) audio 
output level would vary about 20 dB over the full AGC range.

He used a test transmitter and an AF voltmeter for this test and varied 
the RF output level over the full AGC range of his K2.

I never measured the audio output variance on my own K2 and I am not 
familiar with psycho acoustics. But I feel 20 dB is a rather high 
variation and should be quite well audible. I do not hear a high variation 
on my own K2.

Is there a specification for this parameter? What should be taken as the 
maximum acceptable variation?

Thanks for Your suggestions.

VY 73 de Marcus, DL1EKC

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[Elecraft] Looking for Top Cover for K2

2005-04-03 Thread NZ8J
Anyone have a top cover for a K2 with perhaps the tuner and battery option
for sale? If so please let me know what you have and how much you want for
it shipped to Zip 45324.
Thanks
Tim
NZ8J


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[Elecraft] K2 SN 4853 on the air!

2005-04-03 Thread Charlie, W0YG
Basic K2 SN 4853 made its maiden appearance on the bands today running 15.2 
watts!


73,

Charlie, W0YG..

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[Elecraft] RF Noise Canceller ?

2005-04-03 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Interesting thought Marinos. There are receivers (non amateur) in which any
DSP,s ( if there is one) main job is to provide a large number of audio
filter bandwidths and some additional hetrodyne removal.  The removal of QRN
noise and QRM  within the IF filters passband is done in the early stages as
it is too late to do this at the back end.

Evasive Noise Blanking works well, with the tunable noise receiver tuned to
a QRM free frequency near to the operating band. Its output noise pulses can
be used to 'gate' the LO drive to the first signal mixer, easy to do with
the logic circuits producing the 50% duty cycle square wave LO required by
diode ring mixers etc.

There are also circuit techniques to reduce substantially or eliminate 'Zero
Beat' QRM and /or QRM within the IF passband. Some use a combination of
phasing, hard limiting and reinjection or mixing. The effects of QSB can be
a problem if the QRM is one moment stronger than the desired signal, and the
next moment weaker, Strange to say these ideas appeared in two or more
countries at almost the same time. But after playing with one technique here
I believe that there are solutions.

Thus if noise of any type (not QRM) is the target and starting design
thinking from the above, there could be a solution - although White Noise
could be tough to deal with, if indeed possible.

IMHO it would be difficult to add what you suggest to the K2. Any undesired
coupling to other circuits would not be acceptable. Then there is the
question of phasing adjustment from the front panel. I would think that a
stack of back to back varicaps at high bias might not be useful.

Just a few thoughts in haste as I leave the country very soon for two weeks
or so

73,

Geoff
GM4ESD

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Re: [Elecraft] k2 build question

2005-04-03 Thread Michael Pfeuffer

Hi Ron,

The masking material is the pieces of tape, usually green, around each 
hole.  I found a sharp case cutter edge was necessary to remove it.  You 
should have nice, shiny bare metal around the holes on the inside of each 
panel.  That will make sure you get good RF shielding.  The rest of the 
overspray on the won't hurt anything.


--Mike WQ5C
K2 #4693

At 06:47 PM 4/3/2005, Ron McMurray wrote:

pg # 29 removing masking material , are they talking about the grey overspray
ron, kc0tdj
#4857
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for April 3rd and 4th, 2005

2005-04-03 Thread Kevin Rock
We had a pleasant net this evening.  I met some new folks and got 
reacquainted with some of the others.  Weak signals on 20 meters so I may 
have missed one or two.  Sorry about that.  But on 40 meters it was much 
better.  There were certain parts of the continent which were much easier 
to work this evening.  NJ, VA, ON, MN, ND, IN and PA were pretty easy.  WA 
and CT were so strong I had to turn down my gain.  But W7UR from MT had 
the hottest signal.  Helena, Montana to Buxton, Oregon must be attached 
somehow.  Very strong signal Ci!


On 14050 kHz at 2258z:
VE3XL - Ric - ON - non Elecraft rig
W0QQS - Bruce - MN - K2 - 3646
K2HYD - Ray - VA - KX1 - 608
W2GIW - Ken - NJ - K2 - 3614
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K2 - 1031From Sunny Fargo :)
KX2D - John - NJ - ? - ?   Just could not drag enough signal out to get 
all the info.

VE3XL - Ric - ON - relay help
K5BGB - Rod - TX - K2 - 1126

On 7044 kHz at 0156z:
AK2B - Tom - NY - K2 - 4482
VE3XL - Ric - ON - K1 - 968
NK8Q - Mark - PA - K2 - 4786   Your late model rig is doing just fine!
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K2 - 1031   Still warmer than Buxton :(
WA7BOC - Roger - WA - K2 - 755   Very fine signal this evening.   QNI #40
N9IV - Russ - IN - K2 - 4650
K1EV - Bill - CT - K2 - 2152   Thanks for your NCS assistance.
WU7R - Ci - MT - K2 - 4615

I enjoyed myself as alway and hope you all did too.  If I missed you, 
again, I am sorry.  20 meters just was not supporting signals from same 
parts of the continent as well as others.  We will be on the air next week 
if you want to your chances with propagation.  Please send me any errors 
and I will post them as soon as I can.


Thank you for the fun time.  I really do get a kick out of running the 
Elecraft CW Net.  I hope it goes on for a long while.

   73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)
   K2 #2511




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RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for April 3rd and 4th, 2005

2005-04-03 Thread EricJ
 I guess I was in the one or two that were missed. I should have looked up
your call to see where you were. Had the beam towards 5-land and could
barely hear you. I called and you picked up a letter or two, I think. I
finally figured out you are in OR off the side of the beam. I got the beam
turned around, and could  hear you 579, but then I couldn't hear anyone else
off the OTHER side of the beam. I didn't see much fun in that so I went back
to the County Hunters up the band 6 or 7 kc.

Maybe when Tom, N0SS, is helping out and I can keep the beam on the East
Coast. Otherwise I think I'm going to save the wear-and-tear on my rotor.
Hi.

Eric
KE6US

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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for April 3rd and 4th, 2005

We had a pleasant net this evening.  I met some new folks and got
reacquainted with some of the others.  Weak signals on 20 meters so I may
have missed one or two.  Sorry about that.  But on 40 meters it was much
better.  There were certain parts of the continent which were much easier to
work this evening.  NJ, VA, ON, MN, ND, IN and PA were pretty easy.  WA and
CT were so strong I had to turn down my gain.  But W7UR from MT had the
hottest signal.  Helena, Montana to Buxton, Oregon must be attached somehow.
Very strong signal Ci!
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