Re: [NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:


On Dec 16, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:


It would be easiest for me to put them on dl.contextgarden.net and in
some subdir. But I guess you wouldn't be too statisfied with this
solution, would you?



No, that's exactly what I had in mind. I just think some central  place 
for this stuff would be good. I'll send you a zip.


Why not pretend that these things are a 'module' and put them
on modules.contextgarden.net? It would also make installation
easier for other users

Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Dec 17, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Why not pretend that these things are a 'module' and put them
on modules.contextgarden.net? It would also make installation
easier for other users

Not quite sure how I'd do that -- the stuff has to go into different  
directories in order to be found. Or am I on the wrong track?


Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Dec 17, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Why not pretend that these things are a 'module' and put them
on modules.contextgarden.net? It would also make installation
easier for other users

Not quite sure how I'd do that -- the stuff has to go into different  
directories in order to be found. Or am I on the wrong track?


Yes, but that is true for some modules as well. Just create
a zip that has the whole needed subtree below texmf, like so:

(aquamints as example)

  doc/context/third/aquamints/readme
  doc/context/third/aquamints/aquamints.tex
  doc/context/third/aquamints/aquamints.pdf

  tex/context/third/aquamints/t-symb-aquamints

  fonts/map/galapag.map
  fonts/tfm/galapag/aquamin.tfm
  fonts/type1/galapag/AquaMin_.pfb

Do I make sense?

Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] OpenType fonts

2005-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

Hi all,

OpenType fonts are all the rage today. Are there any critiqes of the  
format, or discussions of its limitations?


Despite it's apparent smartness and a lot of media hype, OpenType
is still just a collection of glyphs and metainformation.

XeTeX makes OpenType look intelligent, but that is because the program
logic is wholly embedded in Mac OS X. At the core level, the real big
difference with TTF and Type 1 is just that there is *more* metainfo
(I am over simplifying it a bit, but not much).

Aleph, or pdfetex, for that matter, will need extensions to make
actual use of the extra metainformation. Whether that needs a new
kind of OpenType-Font-Metric file or whether it can be done in
macros/primitives is not clear yet (at least not for pdftex)

How many typesetting applications can actually take full advantage of  
opentype fonts?


There is a table at:

  http://www.opentype.com/html/opentype.aspx

but how up-to-date that is, I do not know.

What are the chances that OpenType (at least some of its advanced  
features) will go the way of MultipleMaster fonts?


Do you mean embedded metaness or terminated for marketing reasons?
the first, I doubt (too many font vendors involved with the spec; they
can make more money from selling separate fonts) the latter is, of
course, always possible but seems unlikely in short and medium time.

Cheers, Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
Oh OK, that's what I was thinking about anyway. And in this case, we  
can even redistribute the fonts themselves, so the zip would contain  
everything needed, users have just to unzip it and can go...


Best

Thomas
On Dec 17, 2005, at 10:33 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Yes, but that is true for some modules as well. Just create
a zip that has the whole needed subtree below texmf,


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Re: [NTG-context] Story of a newbie looking for a table

2005-12-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Jérôme Laurens wrote:
 So, is it possible to have the Google search engine at context garden
 also look into the manuals?

As far as I know, there is no option in google to look to more than
one domain at once. It means that you can only search on:
- only contextgarden.net
- only pragma-ade.com
- on the whole www at once,
but not at both contextgarden and pragma at once.

However, if you use the google frame integrated into contextgarden,
you can choose between four options where to search (in the second
step): contextgarden. pragma, ctan or everywhere. Try it.


There is a documentation mirrored on contextgarden
(http://mirror.contextgarden.net/overview.htm), but it's intentionally
not indexed by google. Perhaps searching the manuals is the only good
reason why it would partially make sense to let google index their
content on contextgarden.net as well.

Perhaps there is some workaround / some elgant way to add only the
manuals to the allow section of mirror.contextgarden.net/robots.txt,
while still somehow preventing people to refer to the mirrored
documentation instead to the original one. (If there's a note on every
page of mirror.contextgarden.net pointing to the original site or
something similar ...)
I'm not sure if I would do that, but if Hans/Patrick find a good way
to do so, ...


To Jérôme: as a newbie (as you claim it) you have a great opportunity
to contribute to the wiki from your point of view and improve the page
with tables.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Oh OK, that's what I was thinking about anyway. And in this case, we  
can even redistribute the fonts themselves, so the zip would contain  
everything needed, users have just to unzip it and can go...


Precisely. And if we have a lot of those font things, I'm sure we can
convince Patrick to create a subdivision for fonts :-)

Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] About \defineshortcut

2005-12-17 Thread Radhelorn

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Radhelorn wrote:


Hello All!

There is intresting macros in cont-new -- shortcuts. It works pretty 
well, but I have one question: how to undefine them back?


For example after command:

\defineshortcut [//] [] [style=\em]



I can get slash only by \textslash (which is expected) and it breaks 
things like:


\typefile {some/dir/file}

So how to revert to previous meaning of '/'? It is possible to do it 
only temporarily?



Explicit \start a /b/ c \stop style grouping is normally best, but
a shortcut is just an active character with a closing defimiter,
so this will work for you special case:

  \catcode`\/=\other
  \typefile {some/dir/file}
  \catcode`\/=\active




Thanks Taco. I was experimenting with \bgroup \egroup and thinking about 
some more explicit and visible. BTW where is these \start \stop defined?


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Re: [NTG-context] About \defineshortcut

2005-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Radhelorn wrote:
Thanks Taco. I was experimenting with \bgroup \egroup and thinking about 
some more explicit and visible. BTW where is these \start \stop defined?


core-sys.tex, line 128-136:

  \def\complexstart[#1]{\bgroup\getvalue{\e!start#1}}
  \def\complexstop [#1]{\getvalue{\e!stop #1}\egroup}

  \let\simplestart\bgroup
  \let\simplestop \egroup

  \definecomplexorsimple\start
  \definecomplexorsimple\stop

Cheers,

Taco



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[NTG-context] including swf files?

2005-12-17 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi,

out of curiosity: 
how do I include a swf file into a pdf? So I can click on 'play' (or
wherever) to start it? 

I have seen x-res-50.tex and created a PDF file using the example, but
I'd like to have such an animation within my other documents.

Does anybody know why acroread 7/mac asks for media player for flash?
I have done all updates for my mac (10.4.3, qt 7).

Patrick
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[NTG-context] source file for the manuals

2005-12-17 Thread Masoud Salehi


Where can I find the source files for the context manuals.
They can be of invaluable help to how to typeset beautifully using this
system.
Thanks 




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Re: [NTG-context] source file for the manuals

2005-12-17 Thread VnPenguin
On 12/17/05, Masoud Salehi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Where can I find the source files for the context manuals. They can be of
 invaluable help to how to typeset beautifully using this system.


 http://context.aanhet.net/svn/manuals/

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[NTG-context] TUO loading bug

2005-12-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Hi,

Renaud AUBIN wrote:




[failing \cite commands in a component file]


I've found the problem, and it is in fact not related to the bib
module (and not really to the project structure either). The real
culprit was a bug in the tuo file loader, triggered by your

  \useencoding[ffr]

in the environment file. Your environment file is loaded *after*
\startproduct (which implies \starttext), and therefore the switch
comes too late. Moving the three french language related lines to
the stop of the actual prd_phd.tex file (before \starttext) solves
the problem.

(What follows is for Hans' benefit mostly)

Nasty little bug, this. I only found it because eventually, I
decided to test the citations using explicit \in{}[] and
found out that that didn't work either. I've attached a minimal
file demonstrating the bug.

Here is the problem in the tuo:

  \thisissectionseparator{-} % = NOTE!
  
  \twopassentry{floatdata}{0}{1::1} % = WRONG, loading of .tuo aborted
  \twopassentry{float}{1}{1}

When I remove either this float, or the \useencoding line, all is fine,
but simple redefining \dosavefloatdata was not enough apparently,
because that did not work.

Cheers, Taco




test.tex
Description: TeX document
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[NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Patrick Gundlach

 Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
 Oh OK, that's what I was thinking about anyway. And in this case, we
 can even redistribute the fonts themselves, so the zip would contain
 everything needed, users have just to unzip it and can go...

Thomas was quick and the fonts together with context stuff are now
available at http://modules.contextgarden.net/gfsdidot

 Precisely. And if we have a lot of those font things, I'm sure we can
 convince Patrick to create a subdivision for fonts :-)

My todo-list is a stack rather than a queue. So don't ask in advance
:)

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[NTG-context] Re: [Aleph] OpenType-to-TeX and other musings...

2005-12-17 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid

Thank you Taco and Gábor for your valuable comments-)

Based on both of your comments, it seems that the most practical approach  
in the short run is for Aleph (whose raison d`etre is more focused on the  
short run-) is to just treat otf's like cid/enriched type1 fonts (a la  
Latin Modern), which is what ConTeXt (and I guess LaTeX too) are already  
doing (with smart encodings, etc.) The main thing that aleph offers on  
this front is 256-glyph encodings. Simple otp's could provide switches to  
turn on needed features (small caps, superiors, swashes, etc) in a large  
font without clogging the system with multiple encodings (Occam's razor);  
only a single encoding vector for the entire raw font would be needed. I  
know that loading encodings in ConTeXt would certainly be a lot simpler-)


On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:13:21 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


3) OpenType fonts, as Taco has already mentioned, have a declarative
nature: they tell you what to do but not how to do it.


In the short run, for Aleph's purposes, these declarations and  
much/most/all of the metainfo can be treated as suggestions for the otp  
designer to consider in implementing things. There is no need to treat  
them as something holy.


Based on your comments and my other research, I will focus on enriched/CID  
type1 (which I guess is equivalent to cff-flavored opentype) font solution  
in my own work, and not worry about otf declarations for now.


In the long run, of course, it would be great if a rewrite of Omega could  
execute a complete implementation of otf functionality. I wish dear Yannis  
and Gábor the very best in this regard!


Best to all
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[NTG-context] textbackground bug

2005-12-17 Thread Hans van der Meer

Something strange happens with textbackground (again, I am afraid).

I defined:

% Java typesetting with background.
\definetyping[JAVA]
\setuptyping[JAVA][option=JV,
before={\bgroup\setupinterlinespace[line=2.2ex]%
\testpage[1]\starttextbackground[code]},
after={\stoptextbackground\egroup}]


Then I typeset some text:

\startJAVA
public void setUserManager( UserManager um ) {
..
\stopJava

If this falls precisely at the start of a new page I get the  
following error:


! Undefined control sequence.
l.17 \s
   tartpdffontresource[ec]

Forcing the typesetting to run further the output contains the rest  
of the source of macro \startpdffontresource[ec] .

I.e. the output then shows (the \s has disappeared):

tartpdffontresource[ec]
/CIDInit /ProcSet findresource begin
...
- and goes on until (the last part of the macro end end  
\stoppdffontresource not appearing)

... CMapName currentdict /CMap defineresource pop

Hereafter typesetting is resumed.

Introducing something that puts another line of text at the top  
of the page results in normal typesetting.


Further experiment
replacing \startJava by \starttextbackground[somecolor] leads to  
the same error.



Therefore I suspect it has something to do with the output routine  
where \s is taken as the next macro.
A simpe experiment (\def\s{something}) shows that indeed a macro \s  
is executed.

Is someone here messing up the catcode's of the letters?
It is of cource very annoying if one constantly has to shift  
textmaterial up and down to move it away from page breaks!


yours sincerely,
dr. H. van der Meer



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Re: [NTG-context] Re: interesting font

2005-12-17 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

Thomas was too quick and made a mistake...

Patrick has kindly uploaded a corrected version. If anyone has  
downloaded the first version, please discard the file type- 
gfsdidot.tex and get the new version.


Thanks!

Thomas

On Dec 17, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:


Thomas was quick and the fonts together with context stuff are now
available at http://modules.contextgarden.net/gfsdidot


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[NTG-context] Legal Project Structure

2005-12-17 Thread David Arnold

All,

I have files:

~/IntermediateAlgebraText/book.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/bookenv.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/chapter1.tex
...
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter8/chapter8.tex

I also have:

~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/section1.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/section2.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/section3.tex

And similar files for each of the eight chapters. Here is my project  
file: ~/IntermediateAlgebraText/book.tex


%output=pdftex

\startproject book

\environment bookenv

\product chapter1/chapter1

\product chapter2/chapter2

\product chapter3/chapter3

\product chapter4/chapter4

\product chapter5/chapter5

\product chapter6/chapter6

\product chapter7/chapter7

\product chapter8/chapter8

\stopproject

%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: conTeXt-en
%%% End:

Here, for example, is my ~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/chapter1.tex

\startproduct chapter1

\project book

\startbodymatter

\chapter[chap:1]{Functions}

\input zapf

\component section1

\component section2

\component section3

\stopbodymatter

\stopproduct

%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: conTeXt-en
%%% End:

As an example of a section, consider ~/IntermediateAlgebraText/ 
chapter1/section1.tex


%output=pdf

\startcomponent section1

\project book
\product chapter1

\section[sec:1]{The Function Concept}

\input knuth

\stopcomponent

%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: conTeXt-en
%%% End:

This look OK to folks? Will I get in trouble with this plan?
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[NTG-context] Need to compile individual components with proper numbering, etc.

2005-12-17 Thread David Arnold

All,

With the structure (posted below for completeness), I will need to  
compile the individual components (small chunks to post online for  
students with modems). I know this is possible, with say texexec  
section1. However, if that is section1.tex of chapter8.tex, then I  
will need the run to produce all of the correct numbering of  
examples, equations, definitions, etc. I am hoping this is possible  
with this structure. Comments?


All,

I have files:

~/IntermediateAlgebraText/book.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/bookenv.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/chapter1.tex
...
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter8/chapter8.tex

I also have:

~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/section1.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/section2.tex
~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/section3.tex

And similar files for each of the eight chapters. Here is my project  
file: ~/IntermediateAlgebraText/book.tex


%output=pdftex

\startproject book

\environment bookenv

\product chapter1/chapter1

\product chapter2/chapter2

\product chapter3/chapter3

\product chapter4/chapter4

\product chapter5/chapter5

\product chapter6/chapter6

\product chapter7/chapter7

\product chapter8/chapter8

\stopproject

%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: conTeXt-en
%%% End:

Here, for example, is my ~/IntermediateAlgebraText/chapter1/chapter1.tex

\startproduct chapter1

\project book

\startbodymatter

\chapter[chap:1]{Functions}

\input zapf

\component section1

\component section2

\component section3

\stopbodymatter

\stopproduct

%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: conTeXt-en
%%% End:

As an example of a section, consider ~/IntermediateAlgebraText/ 
chapter1/section1.tex


%output=pdf

\startcomponent section1

\project book
\product chapter1

\section[sec:1]{The Function Concept}

\input knuth

\stopcomponent

%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: conTeXt-en
%%% End:

This look OK to folks? Will I get in trouble with this plan?

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[NTG-context] Metafun example doesn't work

2005-12-17 Thread David Arnold

All,

I've always wondered why this Metafun manual example doesn't work.

\startMPgraphic
  draw unitsquare
xscaled 5cm yscaled 1cm
withpen pencircle scaled 2mm
withcolor .625 red;
\stopMPgraphic

\hbox\bgroup
\loadcurrentMPgraphic{width=5cm,height=1cm}\placeMPgraphic\quad
\loadcurrentMPgraphic{width=8cm,height=1cm}\placeMPgraphic\egroup
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