[biofuels-biz] uses for glycerol
You can turn glycerol into glycerol ethers and add them to the biodiesel to improve it's properties as a fuel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] uses for glycerol
You need to read us patent no.5578090, I could send you a copy if you like ... Paddy What is the eutectic point (freezing point) for the by product precipitant from biodiesel processing from waste vegetable oil? Has any one tried to use it as a phase change thermal storage system? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] uses for glycerol
Hi Paddy, Im Ken. I was trying to purify the glycerol from the BD reaction. It turns out there is FAME and glycerol so im not sure if the FAME is good for the engine. Currently im thinking of what to do with the glycerol/water solution. Could you send me some information on how to convert to glycerol ethers. Tried vaccum distillation for the glycerol and now trying to use ion exchange resins. Thanks Ken At 04:08 PM 12/9/01 +, you wrote: You can turn glycerol into glycerol ethers and add them to the biodiesel to improve it's properties as a fuel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz]
Tony, The glycerine is worth more than the biodiesel if you can clean it right. Around US$800 ~ 1200 per ton. Regards Ken At 10:40 AM 12/8/01 -0700, you wrote: Hello, my name is Tony and I ame new to the Group. I am interested in starting a biodiesel facility for commercial production. One question I have now, is what to do with the glycerin. Is anyone purchasing it from biodiesel manufacturors and what modifications are needed fro the glycerin. I look forward to hearing from you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Unimog: was Re: Thinking about buying a car?
If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. snip I don't care for the Unimog or the Mercedes. The Unimog is more like a tractor than what I need, and the G is more for my wife to haul groceries in. Definitely overkill for that, what a waste. I think there may be a Subaru Outback in her future. Hardly in the same class as a G, that's just a car. Friend in Sweden shook one to pieces in a couple of years. I'll probably end up buying a 4 door dually Chevy pickup. The G'd still be running when you've worn out a few of those, I reckon. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ I'd love to be able to build my own, but that isn't in the cards just now. I like the new diesel Chevy came out with, but it's nearly impossible to get one. Dealer's are sold out for over a year ahead. If I were to build my own, it would be a mid70's Chevy body with a Caterpillar 3208 turbo diesel, and an Allison 5 speed automatic tranny. A Detroit Diesel 8.2 liter with turbo would be another choice. Just a thought or two, Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BioD in the developine world
wolfie1166 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a project that I think will work but I'm having trouble getting started, specifically I can't find a good source of funding. The project involves introducing Biodiesel to a country in the developing world that curently grows alot of oil seed crops. We would import biodiesel converters to the country and work with farmers cooperatives to teach them how to run the equipment and market the products (Biod., glycerine, and animal feed). Does anyone know of an organization that would fund this type of project? Funding from several sources is available here for coconut-based industries. What specifically do you have to offer that is not already being implemented here? It can't be the technology (which was developed here in the early 90's) so I assume it's the marketing package? Whole world (literally) of extension to be done in the rural development sector, Marc, technology and marketing aside, not just a business proposition. Plenty of room, plenty of need. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely..
Hi there, with regard to water + kerosene engines, earlier this year, I was in SRI LANKA, and the local fishermen were running Suzuki outboards using kerosine after starting on gasoline, but I was unable to discover if they were specially adapted for this or not, can anyone enlighten me on this please! John Wilding, (SPIKE) - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely.. In the early 1900's, Dr. Edward A. Rumely, grandson of the Meinrad, was determined to build a tractor that could run on a wide range of fuels. He hired an engine designer by the name of John Secor to work with Rumely's plant superintendent, William Higgins, to design such a tractor. The Secor-Higgins design involved and engine that was of higher compression than was standard at the time. It was cooled by oil, which served the dual purpose of allowing the engine to run hotter to utilize the heavier fuels and to avoid freezing in cold weather. The Secor-Higgins carburetor not only atomized fuel into the incoming charge of air, but water as well. The water prevented preignition when the engine was run under heavy loads. http://www.rustyiron.com/rumely/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely..
Hi there, with regard to water + kerosene engines, earlier this year, I was in SRI LANKA, and the local fishermen were running Suzuki outboards using kerosine after starting on gasoline, but I was unable to discover if they were specially adapted for this or not, can anyone enlighten me on this please! John Wilding, (SPIKE) Hello John A friend who spent some time there told me they wind the kerosene fuel pipe around the exhaust pipe to warm it up. It sounds rather lethal, but I guess they've figured out how to do it so it gets just enough heat and not too much. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely.. In the early 1900's, Dr. Edward A. Rumely, grandson of the Meinrad, was determined to build a tractor that could run on a wide range of fuels. He hired an engine designer by the name of John Secor to work with Rumely's plant superintendent, William Higgins, to design such a tractor. The Secor-Higgins design involved and engine that was of higher compression than was standard at the time. It was cooled by oil, which served the dual purpose of allowing the engine to run hotter to utilize the heavier fuels and to avoid freezing in cold weather. The Secor-Higgins carburetor not only atomized fuel into the incoming charge of air, but water as well. The water prevented preignition when the engine was run under heavy loads. http://www.rustyiron.com/rumely/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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UNSUBSCRIBE G.N. Martin http://www.consulmar.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car
Doug, its obvious your a city person. Farmers need a truck to run to town to buy feed and supplies, a truck to pull your livestock trailer. This is a good reason why the independent farmers need to form a union. With a union we could stop buying at the highest cost and sell at a lost. We would have the support with in our union to do like OPEC, cut production and drive up the food prices. The average American family lives paycheck to paycheck. With just enough food in their house to last two weeks. Therefore the farmers would get the recognition and respect they deserve. Let the farmers of America unite. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:58:48 -0800 From: Mark E. Wishart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thinking about buying a car? Okay what are your suggestions? Well show me a car that I can use to do farming tasks to provide food so you can eat. ** That implies you have or expect to have decent farm ground to work with, truth is there is not enough property available to give every motorist that possibility. If the ability to do farming tasks is foremost, buy a tractor and modify it for your transportation needs. Doug Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Keith In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground. From my experience you really have to try to get a Hummer stuck. And even then they come equipped with a pioneer kit and a 10 ton winch to help them get unstuck. Alan Petrillo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
The Gelaendewagen is produced by Mercedes-Benz. http://www.gwagen.com at $135k, I'll pass. Are you thinking of the Pinzgauer (Steyer Daimler Puch )? http://www.users.qwest.net/~zandersson/pinzfaq.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Keith In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground. From my experience you really have to try to get a Hummer stuck. And even then they come equipped with a pioneer kit and a 10 ton winch to help them get unstuck. Alan Petrillo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BioD in the developine world
Dear Mr. Addison: The problem is the technology. Current conversion processing produces biodiesel which must sell for three or so times the cost of regular diesel. Marketing is not the problem, cost is. If anyone is interested in opening the market for biodiesel plants in Asia, let know. There may be a solution coming down the pike, but it is a ways off. If it pans out, then biodiesel could be competitive with regular diesel. If funding is available for coconut oil or palm oil conversion to biodiesel, then let me know asap as it will take some time and effort to coax the technology out of the labratory and into a production plant. The conversion plant could easily cost upwards of ten million and would require a very stable, very legal source of veggie oil. No investor is going to invest any money in an unstable country. If the country does not have crushing and extraction plants, then one would need investment capital for that plant as well. If the technology pans out, the biodiesel will be very competitive with petrodiesel, at least in the North American market. Developing the conversion plant in a foreign country will take ironclad agreements with all levels of govenment, including insurance against government failure to cooperate and/or exappropriation. These assurances would have to be backed up by secured collateral in the United States or a guarantee by the U.S. Department of Commerce to the same effect. Let me know by return email the extent of your interest and nature of your business or profession. Let's keep in touch. Regards, James E. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] BioD in the developine world wolfie1166 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a project that I think will work but I'm having trouble getting started, specifically I can't find a good source of funding. The project involves introducing Biodiesel to a country in the developing world that curently grows alot of oil seed crops. We would import biodiesel converters to the country and work with farmers cooperatives to teach them how to run the equipment and market the products (Biod., glycerine, and animal feed). Does anyone know of an organization that would fund this type of project? Funding from several sources is available here for coconut-based industries. What specifically do you have to offer that is not already being implemented here? It can't be the technology (which was developed here in the early 90's) so I assume it's the marketing package? Whole world (literally) of extension to be done in the rural development sector, Marc, technology and marketing aside, not just a business proposition. Plenty of room, plenty of need. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [biofuels] Short questions
I«m planning on building my first reactor this (southern) summer. I ran into a place just yesterday, which sold stainless steel thermostats for $30, electric heaters (big 15A ones) for about $30, digital thermometers for about $30 and glass ones for about $10... all in one same shop. So I was quite delighted to find so much useful stuff in one place. And the prices are not THAT bad for Argentina. I just have one problem, which is I still haven«t figured out if I should heat the BD using heated water in pipes, an electric submersible heater or an external electrical heater (to heat the metal tank from outside). What are your experiences about that? I have some questions regarding BF: .- What should the volume of the tank be if I were to produce 1 lt BD? (roughly) .- Can I distill methyl alcohol like EtOH? Does it form an azeotrope? .- Should I change to synthetic hoses if using BD50? .- What metals can be used freely in the construction of the reactor, other tan stainless steel, if any? .- I made a fractional distillation column at home but it«s made out of stainless steel (1 in diameter, 30 cm tall) and glass filling, and the top got too cold so I got no alcohol distilled. (I used a batch of water + EtOH to test it) Do you think a good insulation around the column is the ONLY key to success, or can the packing be too tight or the column too tall? If you blow through one end, there«s not much resistance, so I doubt the packing is a problem «cause the pressure from the boiler should get the steam through. .- Are attachments (*.jpg) allowed in the newsgroup? (Sorry, I«m new to this) I«d very much appreciate some short answers. Thanx, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi
This is from the Volkswagen company web site in Germany. Check with dealer or office in individual countries on warranty situation. Last year, here in Canada, I was told biodiesel use could void warranty (the dealer checked with head office for Canada, supposedly). Time to check again. Since all New Beetles, and Jettas, I believe, are built in Mexico for sale anywhere in the world, it seem likely that what holds true for Germany should also be true for all the VW cars built since 96-97. - EB Tips on filling with bio-diesel In 1912 Rudolph Diesel wrote in his patent Òthe use of vegetable oil may be insignificant today but, as time progresses, such products could become as important as petrol and the coal tar products we have today. High fuel prices are, as they always have been, a current topic for discussion and result in many car owners reacting more sensitively to fuel prices and to look for alternative fuels. There is a way of saving money with diesel engines by filling with bio-diesel, also known as rape-seed methyl ester (RME). This substance is a cheap alternative to common diesel fuel thanks to the fact that it is free of mineral oil tax: On average, a German car owner can save between ten and twenty pfennigs per litre. For all VW diesels from model year 1996 and 1997 , Volkswagen already allows you a choice to fill with either pure bio-diesel (RME), conventional diesel or a mixture of both. It is important to note however that bio-diesel cannot be used for winter operation at tem-peratures less than minus ten degrees. The rule for other vehicles is: If you are not a hundred percent sure if the vehicle can run properly on RME, it should not be used. You can find out by checking the ownerÕs manual or by asking the manufacturer or a workshop. Without authorisation, the warranty becomes void if special plastic hoses and seals or gas-kets are used which are designed to accept more aggressive oil-based fuels compared to diesel. The customer may find him or herself with expensive repair costs since warranty cover will no longer be valid. As always, care should be taken to ensure that the quality of the fuel meets E DIN 51606 standard when filling your car: This guarantees the quality of the fuel and should always be confirmed by the operator of the filling station. If an additional heater has been retrofitted in your car, please find out from the manufac-turer if it is compatible for use with RME. Even the environment takes a positive effect from the use of bio-diesel: The fuel hardly emits any sulphur during combustion, there is less carbon, particulate and hydrocarbon substances and furthermore it is produced mainly from rape-seed which is a renewable resource. From one hectare of rape-seed, up to 1200 litres of bio-diesel can be made. Bio-diesel is quickly biologically degradable and thus reduces the risk of contaminating the earth and ground water during transport, storage and use. It is not classed as a hazardous material and has no water polluting categorisation. Bio-diesel can be bought at over 1000 filling stations in Germany. According to experts, the natural fuel could gain a long-term market share of three to eight percent among diesel powered vehicles. http://www.volkswagen-umwelt.de/index_e.htm Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:30:30 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] VW Tdi I have a Tdi VW, a 1998 Jetta. I've owned it since April, 2001. In town, I can average about 44mpg. On the interstate, 4 passengers, trunk full of luggage, AC blasting, it did in fact get a solid 50 MPG running across New Mexico and Arizona last summer. They're not biodiesel ready, the rubbrer that contacts the fuel must be replaced. Check this site http://www.tdiclub.com/ All the info possible about this car will be found there. Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: G-wagen parents
You're both right. It's a joint venture between those two companies. Built in Graz, Austria (also home to a great household WVO collection/conversion to biodiesel/ run in city buses program) http://www.brooklands-books.com/pages/mercgack.htm Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:40:15 -0500 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog The Gelaendewagen is produced by Mercedes-Benz. http://www.gwagen.com at $135k, I'll pass. Are you thinking of the Pinzgauer (Steyer Daimler Puch )? http://www.users.qwest.net/~zandersson/pinzfaq.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely..
Hi there Keith., Thanks for the acknowledgment, maybe I will do some experimenting, cos as a fisherman I use a ,lot of fuel, SPIKE - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely.. Hi there, with regard to water + kerosene engines, earlier this year, I was in SRI LANKA, and the local fishermen were running Suzuki outboards using kerosine after starting on gasoline, but I was unable to discover if they were specially adapted for this or not, can anyone enlighten me on this please! John Wilding, (SPIKE) Hello John A friend who spent some time there told me they wind the kerosene fuel pipe around the exhaust pipe to warm it up. It sounds rather lethal, but I guess they've figured out how to do it so it gets just enough heat and not too much. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely.. In the early 1900's, Dr. Edward A. Rumely, grandson of the Meinrad, was determined to build a tractor that could run on a wide range of fuels. He hired an engine designer by the name of John Secor to work with Rumely's plant superintendent, William Higgins, to design such a tractor. The Secor-Higgins design involved and engine that was of higher compression than was standard at the time. It was cooled by oil, which served the dual purpose of allowing the engine to run hotter to utilize the heavier fuels and to avoid freezing in cold weather. The Secor-Higgins carburetor not only atomized fuel into the incoming charge of air, but water as well. The water prevented preignition when the engine was run under heavy loads. http://www.rustyiron.com/rumely/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely..
Hi there Keith., Thanks for the acknowledgment, maybe I will do some experimenting, cos as a fisherman I use a ,lot of fuel, SPIKE Good luck, but take care heating that explosive stuff, eh? You wanna catch the fish, not end of feeding them. Let us know how you fare. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] A little more on the Rumely.. Hi there, with regard to water + kerosene engines, earlier this year, I was in SRI LANKA, and the local fishermen were running Suzuki outboards using kerosine after starting on gasoline, but I was unable to discover if they were specially adapted for this or not, can anyone enlighten me on this please! John Wilding, (SPIKE) Hello John A friend who spent some time there told me they wind the kerosene fuel pipe around the exhaust pipe to warm it up. It sounds rather lethal, but I guess they've figured out how to do it so it gets just enough heat and not too much. Best Keith Addison Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BioD in the developine world
Hello Mr Miller I think you're confusing my response and Marc de Piolenc's, please have another look at the original messages. The first message, from wolfie1166 [EMAIL PROTECTED], was this: I have a project that I think will work but I'm having trouble getting started, specifically I can't find a good source of funding. The project involves introducing Biodiesel to a country in the developing world that curently grows alot of oil seed crops. We would import biodiesel converters to the country and work with farmers cooperatives to teach them how to run the equipment and market the products (Biod., glycerine, and animal feed). Does anyone know of an organization that would fund this type of project? This concerns small-scale localised projects, and that was what my comments were about: Whole world (literally) of extension to be done in the rural development sector, Marc, technology and marketing aside, not just a business proposition. Plenty of room, plenty of need. There's no problem with the technology, and no need for tens of millions in investment and ironclad guarantees to start such projects. There are already quite a few of them in operation in various Third World countries, and industrialised countries too. The problem is the technology. Current conversion processing produces biodiesel which must sell for three or so times the cost of regular diesel. Marketing is not the problem, cost is. Biodiesel sells at the same price or cheaper than dinodiesel in several European countries, in large quantities. Let me know by return email the extent of your interest and nature of your business or profession. Let's keep in touch. Please see our website. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Dear Mr. Addison: The problem is the technology. Current conversion processing produces biodiesel which must sell for three or so times the cost of regular diesel. Marketing is not the problem, cost is. If anyone is interested in opening the market for biodiesel plants in Asia, let know. There may be a solution coming down the pike, but it is a ways off. If it pans out, then biodiesel could be competitive with regular diesel. If funding is available for coconut oil or palm oil conversion to biodiesel, then let me know asap as it will take some time and effort to coax the technology out of the labratory and into a production plant. The conversion plant could easily cost upwards of ten million and would require a very stable, very legal source of veggie oil. No investor is going to invest any money in an unstable country. If the country does not have crushing and extraction plants, then one would need investment capital for that plant as well. If the technology pans out, the biodiesel will be very competitive with petrodiesel, at least in the North American market. Developing the conversion plant in a foreign country will take ironclad agreements with all levels of govenment, including insurance against government failure to cooperate and/or exappropriation. These assurances would have to be backed up by secured collateral in the United States or a guarantee by the U.S. Department of Commerce to the same effect. Let me know by return email the extent of your interest and nature of your business or profession. Let's keep in touch. Regards, James E. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] BioD in the developine world wolfie1166 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a project that I think will work but I'm having trouble getting started, specifically I can't find a good source of funding. The project involves introducing Biodiesel to a country in the developing world that curently grows alot of oil seed crops. We would import biodiesel converters to the country and work with farmers cooperatives to teach them how to run the equipment and market the products (Biod., glycerine, and animal feed). Does anyone know of an organization that would fund this type of project? Funding from several sources is available here for coconut-based industries. What specifically do you have to offer that is not already being implemented here? It can't be the technology (which was developed here in the early 90's) so I assume it's the marketing package? Whole world (literally) of extension to be done in the rural development sector, Marc, technology and marketing aside, not just a business proposition. Plenty of room, plenty of need. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken Hi Ken The Mercedes Gelaendewagen (cross-country car), or G-wagen, went into production in 1979, following five years of development by Mercedes and Steyr-Daimler-Puch (50-50 joint-venture). It's undergone continuous development since then and is still very much in production, with Mercedes guaranteeing production for NATO up to 2025. See: http://www.g4rce.net/engl/history1.html Steyr-Daimler-Puch was making them for the Eastern Bloc countries, I'm not sure if they're still involved. They still make the Pinzgauer though, which the UK armed forces have bought instead of the Land Rover, but there have been rumours they'll cease production soon. Mercedes recently launched three versions of the G in the US market, not including a diesel model apparently, nor the basic workhorse version, the 461. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 12/2/01
ENERGIES... week of December 2, 2001 GINGER, IT, NOW SEGWAY HT. Much anticipated during the past year as a revolution in transportation, the Segway HT (Human Transporter) was unveiled this week to the mainstream media. The two-wheeled, battery-powered, electric scooter uses a gyroscope and sensors for stabilization making it difficult to topple. (Other scooters rely on the rider's sense of balance to keep them upright.) The HT is certainly interesting technology, but will it change the way the masses travel? Let's look at the realities. The HT has top speed of 12 -17 miles per hour, like many electric stand-up scooters already on the market. Possibly too fast, too dangerous to be used among slow-moving pedestrians on sidewalks. Like other scooters the HT may be relegated to stay on roadways where they are defenseless against three-ton sport utility vehicles. And like other scooters, the Segway HT has no weather protection. Open air transport is a clear-weather-only venture except for the most hardy. The HT should be on the market late next year for around $3000. Those with a good inner ear can buy a lower-tech electric scooter for a fraction of that. However, the scooter can be used in other situations such as traversing warehouses or on roads with few cars, for instance. The company is already in talks with GE Plastics, FedEx, Delphi Automotive, Michelin, and the U.S. Postal Service for HT use in commerce or industry. And too, bicycles and sit-down scooters are still the mainstay of personal transportation in much of the world. Not everywhere is as car-pinched as the U.S. Expect Segway to appear in those markets. So is the HT revolutionary? In its design and engineering, sure. But for transportation no - unless, of course, roadway planners find ways to separate low-speed vehicles like this, from high speed ones. That would be revolutionary. Visit Segway at http://www.segway.com/ . JAIL TOP SOLAR. The largest roof-top solar electric system in the U.S. and the fourth largest in the world will be built atop a place you don't want to be - the Alameda County Santa Rita Jail in Dublin, California. PowerLight Corporation has been hired to expand the Jail's existing solar array from 640 kilowatts to 1.14 megawatts - an additional 500 kilowatts of the company's PowerGuard(tm) Solar Electric Roofing System. When complete, the expanded system should provide 30 percent of the facility's daytime power needs. Based on current electricity rates paid by the county, the expanded system, along with other energy efficiency improvements to the jail, will save the county $400,000 in the first full year of operation, $15 million over the expected 25-year lifespan of the PowerGuard modules. Visit PowerLight at http://www.powerlight.com/ . NO HASSLE MASS TRANSIT. For some, even the inconvenience of dealing with unknown and complex fares can discourage people from using buses, subways, street cars, light rail or ferries. Any innovation that will encourage people to use energy-efficient mass transit should be considered a good thing. In a public test program to begin next year, up to 4000 volunteers in San Francisco will be trying out TransLink(tm) universal transit fare cards on certain routes of six transit systems in the region. The smart computer-chip-imbedded TransLink cards are loaded with a cash value (which can be restored or increased), stored rides or monthly passes. Commuters need only flash the credit card-sized device at an electronic reader on a vehicle or at a station (without having to remove from a wallet) and the correct fare for that ride will be deducted from the card. The TransLink card and reader, will also factor in a number of variables to calculate the correct fare, including different rate structures for each transit operator, transfers, routes, length of trips, time of day and special applicable discounts such as student, elderly or for disabled riders. No excuses. Anyone should be able to flash a TransLink card - even to ride multiple transit services on one trip - for energy efficient transportation to his destination. The Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC) is the main sponsor of the project. Visit the MTC at http://www.mtc.ca.gov/ . WORLD WIND WATCH. Soon after Vestas Wind Systems of Denmark sold its 40 percent stake in Spanish wind turbine maker Gamesa Eolica this week, speculation arose that Vestas would be in a position to buy Enron Wind should the division be spun off by bankrupt parent company Enron. First, the newswire services reported no, Vestas had no interest in Enron Wind, then reported yes, perhaps, if the price was right. (It will have to be a real bargain.) In the past Vestas has always said it likes to grow organically, not by acquisition. So, for now, it's wait and see. Vestas did say however that it would go ahead with plans to begin production of wind turbines in the United States if the
[biofuel] Unimog: was Re: Thinking about buying a car?
Hardly in the same class as a G, that's just a car. Friend in Sweden shook one to pieces in a couple of years. Her driving is nearly all onroad, hauling groceries and/or grandkids. For general driving around here, they seem to be good for 200,000 miles. I'll probably end up buying a 4 door dually Chevy pickup. The G'd still be running when you've worn out a few of those, I reckon. I may have to re-examine it, if it can haul a 150 gallon fuel tank in the back, and pull a 25,000 pound trailer at highway speeds, and carry a 10foot snowplow. The Unimog may carry the fuel tank, and the plow, but I don't think it can pull the trailer at highway speeds. I didn't think the G looked capable of any of the above. The G might work for my wife, but she doesn't need the offroad ability. If she can get through 12-16 inches of snow, it'll work for her. Neither of us like the Chevy Blazer, for their tipping over all the time. People that live in town, and seldom drive at highway speeds like them, though I don't see a need for 4WD for intown driving. If they stay on plowed roads with lots of salt and sand, what's the point? Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BioD in the developing world
From: James E. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is the technology. Current conversion processing produces biodiesel which must sell for three or so times the cost of regular diesel. Marketing is not the problem, cost is. Hear, hear! Coco-based biodiesel was being produced here as long ago as 1992. The company that did it still exists, but they are no longer producing biodiesel - at least not for market. If anyone is interested in opening the market for biodiesel plants in Asia, let know. Definitely yes. If there is ever a cost-effective process (or the price of the real diesel fuel goes through the roof, I want to help get BD production under weigh. There may be a solution coming down the pike, but it is a ways off. If it pans out, then biodiesel could be competitive with regular diesel. If funding is available for coconut oil or palm oil conversion to biodiesel, then let me know asap as it will take some time and effort to coax the technology out of the labratory and into a production plant. The conversion plant could easily cost upwards of ten million and would require a very stable, very legal source of veggie oil. No investor is going to invest any money in an unstable country. If the country does not have crushing and extraction plants, then one would need investment capital for that plant as well. If the technology pans out, the biodiesel will be very competitive with petrodiesel, at least in the North American market. Developing the conversion plant in a foreign country will take ironclad agreements with all levels of govenment, including insurance against government failure to cooperate and/or exappropriation. These assurances would have to be backed up by secured collateral in the United States or a guarantee by the U.S. Department of Commerce to the same effect. By your rather conservative definition, I think that ANY country would qualify as unstable, as all governments engage in expropriation. It's given various euphemistic titles, but there it is. The Philippines has a consistent policy of supporting anything that widens the market for coconut produts and/or secures a better producer price. Theoretically, that policy could change instantly - you'll never get a written guarantee that it won't (at least none worthy of credence), but on the other hand it hasn't happened and is not likely to, as the coco business is a mainstay of the economy and is in terrible trouble right now - a political hot potato that no pol wants to get too close to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unimog
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the unimog can climb a 24 vertical obstruction from a standing start butted up against said object. The Hummer can't. This is true. Our medic high centered his Hummer on a 24 rock, and we had to get a recovery vehicle out to pull it off. There wasn't anything in the near vicinity for the winch to get a hold of. I still don't know what posessed him to try and climb that rock. You can also get 2-3 Uni's (new) for the price of a hummer. No doubt. And probably a used Hummer at that. And they probably have fewer oil leaks than a Hummer. With front and rear PTO's, they are an interesting option. Front _and_ rear? Now _that's_ cool! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unimog: was Re: Thinking about buying a car?
Thor Skov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hummers also get about 8 mpg, are outrageously expensive, and don't carry much. The diesel ones get better mileage. Not great, though, by anyone's standards. They are not trucks. According to the military, the Hummer is listed as a 1 1/4 ton truck. They do get around, though. Indeed, but there are better vehicles for going anywhere. Not many, certainly, but there are some. One thing about Hummers, certainly: They're best off road. I had the displeasure of driving one across Germany on the autobahn. Hummers on the highway -=*SUCK*=-. There are few vehicles better for going cross country, but on the road they're slow, rough, and very noisy. Those people with more money than brains who spend $40,000 a copy to buy them to look cool can have them. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Current plague of email viruses
Believe me Steve I am not the slightest bit embarrassed, the computer that I quoted in my response was using the latest update of McAfee as sent to the University for distribution as soon as it is released by them. Obviously even they are not always perfect! Perrin Hayes. At 08:22 PM 12/8/01 -0500, you wrote: If you had bothered to read the proof I offered, you would not have just embarrassed yourself. Since you don't seem to take 2 of the worlds most well known Anti Virus Companies word for it, Might I proffer the fact that I have over 17 years of experience in PC Networking and security? http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/trick.address.book.e ntry.html http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99213; Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Perrin Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Current plague of email viruses Hi Steve, We realise that you are the expert on all matters that are aired on this website but it would be nice to see a reasoned explanation for the one line answers that you generaly give to all who dare to question your statements. Is there a reason for your latest pronouncement or is it just your considered opinion? The less informed of us would would wish to understand if this statement is in anyway based on fact. Perrin Hayes. At 08:26 AM 12/8/01 -0500, you wrote: You need a new computer expert. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/trick.address.book. e ntry.html http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99213; Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Perrin L Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Current plague of email viruses Hi Steve, Our resident computer specialist at the University has advised that this approach could work. One of our staff that uses a Microsoft E-mail product was infected by a virus but part way through his address book there was a name without an E-mail address attached. When the virus got down to this point it went no further so only the addresses up to that point were affected. Interestingly people using other than Microsoft products, Eudora for example, are rarely affected by viruses according to him. Please advise us if you have any further information on this subject, Thanks, Perrin Hayes. At 07:53 PM 12/3/01 -0500, you wrote: that doesn't work. It's a hoax fix. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] Current plague of email viruses * IMPORTANT NOTICE ON STOPPING SPREAD OF WORM VIRUSES ** Helping to stop the worm virus To protect your E-address - I learned a computer trick today that's really ingenious in its simplicity. As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads straight for your email address book and sends itself to everyone in there, thus infecting all your friends and associates. This trick won't keep the virus from getting into your computer, but it will stop it from using your address book to spread further, and it will alert you to the fact that the worm has gotten into your system. Here's what you do: first, open your address book and click on new contact just as you would do if you were adding a new friend to your list of email addresses. In the window where you would type your friend's first name, type in !000 (that's an exclamation mark followed by 3 zeros). In the window below where it prompts you to enter the new email address, type in WormAlert. (If it tells you this is not a valid address just say yes to add it, or ok). Then complete everything by clicking add, enter, ok, etc. Now, here's what you've done and why it works: the name !000 will be placed at the top of your address book as entry #1. This will be where the worm will start in an effort to send itself to all your friends. But when it tries to send
[biofuel] Re: Unimog
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Interesting. And since they're smaller, I'd bet they'd make better scout vehicles. A subject near and dear to my heart. (Scouts Out!) AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BioD in the developing world
Marc: Where are you located and what is your connection with biodiesel and Phillipines. Jim Miller - Original Message - From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: [biofuel] BioD in the developing world From: James E. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is the technology. Current conversion processing produces biodiesel which must sell for three or so times the cost of regular diesel. Marketing is not the problem, cost is. Hear, hear! Coco-based biodiesel was being produced here as long ago as 1992. The company that did it still exists, but they are no longer producing biodiesel - at least not for market. If anyone is interested in opening the market for biodiesel plants in Asia, let know. Definitely yes. If there is ever a cost-effective process (or the price of the real diesel fuel goes through the roof, I want to help get BD production under weigh. There may be a solution coming down the pike, but it is a ways off. If it pans out, then biodiesel could be competitive with regular diesel. If funding is available for coconut oil or palm oil conversion to biodiesel, then let me know asap as it will take some time and effort to coax the technology out of the labratory and into a production plant. The conversion plant could easily cost upwards of ten million and would require a very stable, very legal source of veggie oil. No investor is going to invest any money in an unstable country. If the country does not have crushing and extraction plants, then one would need investment capital for that plant as well. If the technology pans out, the biodiesel will be very competitive with petrodiesel, at least in the North American market. Developing the conversion plant in a foreign country will take ironclad agreements with all levels of govenment, including insurance against government failure to cooperate and/or exappropriation. These assurances would have to be backed up by secured collateral in the United States or a guarantee by the U.S. Department of Commerce to the same effect. By your rather conservative definition, I think that ANY country would qualify as unstable, as all governments engage in expropriation. It's given various euphemistic titles, but there it is. The Philippines has a consistent policy of supporting anything that widens the market for coconut produts and/or secures a better producer price. Theoretically, that policy could change instantly - you'll never get a written guarantee that it won't (at least none worthy of credence), but on the other hand it hasn't happened and is not likely to, as the coco business is a mainstay of the economy and is in terrible trouble right now - a political hot potato that no pol wants to get too close to. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] VW Tdi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: [snip] imperative SNIP! /imperative AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
- Original Message - From: steve spence Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 16:31 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog I know that the unimog can climb a 24 vertical obstruction from a standing start butted up against said object. The Hummer can't. You can also get 2-3 Uni's (new) for the price of a hummer. With front and rear PTO's, they are an interesting option. Were are you looking? The ones I've seen are almost as much as a hummer. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
