Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)

2007-06-05 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Yes of course. It is very flattering.

With best regards
AGERATEC AB
Jan Warnqvist
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)


 Greetings Jan

 Sorry for the late reply.

 Just to add my vote of thanks - the methanol test is simple and
 useful, it's helped a lot of people.

 I'd like to add this development to the quality testing section at
 Journey to Forever, would you agree?

 All best

 Keith


Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol method had so much
attention. Here is a development of the method:

Equipment needed for the analysis

1. One 250 ml separatory funnel
2. One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)
3. One magnetic stirrer
4. Balancer with 0,05g acc.
5. One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask

Chemicals for the analysis

1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm, clear, bright and
without visible impurities, min 25 g

Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of methanol in it. Then
add exactly 25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids on the stirrer for
2 minutes. Take the beaker off the stirrer ans pour the content into
the separation funnel.Take the clean e-flask to the balancer and
tarate with the flask. Let any oil phase separate out from the
biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the  e-flask. Weigh the
content and calculate the result:

1 -  m1/m2 = m3
where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
m2 is the amount of methanol
m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is consisting from methyl 
esters.
The method will show huch much of the material by mass that is
soluble in methanol. This includes mostl mono- and diglycerides. The
residue consists therefore mostly from unreacted oil.

With best
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Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)

2007-06-05 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Sorry, there is a confusing definition error in the formula:
m1 = is the amount of undissolved material as a result of the test.
m2 = the amount of biodiesel put into the reaction

m3 = is the amount of biodiesel soluble in methanol in %

All the best
Jan
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)


 Greetings Jan

 Sorry for the late reply.

 Just to add my vote of thanks - the methanol test is simple and
 useful, it's helped a lot of people.

 I'd like to add this development to the quality testing section at
 Journey to Forever, would you agree?

 All best

 Keith


Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol method had so much
attention. Here is a development of the method:

Equipment needed for the analysis

1. One 250 ml separatory funnel
2. One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)
3. One magnetic stirrer
4. Balancer with 0,05g acc.
5. One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask

Chemicals for the analysis

1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm, clear, bright and
without visible impurities, min 25 g

Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of methanol in it. Then
add exactly 25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids on the stirrer for
2 minutes. Take the beaker off the stirrer ans pour the content into
the separation funnel.Take the clean e-flask to the balancer and
tarate with the flask. Let any oil phase separate out from the
biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the  e-flask. Weigh the
content and calculate the result:

1 -  m1/m2 = m3
where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
m2 is the amount of methanol
m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is consisting from methyl 
esters.
The method will show huch much of the material by mass that is
soluble in methanol. This includes mostl mono- and diglycerides. The
residue consists therefore mostly from unreacted oil.

With best
Jan Warnqvist


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Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)

2007-06-05 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello Peter. You forgot the first signs of the formula. It should be: 1 - 
m1/m2 = m3
In your case: 1 - 25/225 = 0,.
There is also a definition error in the formula.
m1 = the amount of undissolved material
m2 = the amount of biodiesel put into the reaction
m3= The amount of biodiesel that is dissolved in methanol in mass%
Sorry about that.

The proportions between methanol and biodiesel is carefully balanced in 
order to make the test reproducable.

Best regards
Jan
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From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)


 Hi Keith and Jan ;

 I read this with interest but I am quite confused.
 Please can we start by exlaining the underlying basis
 for this test??  Is it that unreacted oil will not
 dissolve in methanol?  Are we trying to dissolve the
 FAME in methanol and measure the remaining?? If we
 are, then why is it so important to measure exactly
 225g methanol.  Why wouldn't 250g be OK for example??
 I can understand exactly 25g of biodiesel is
 necessary, but why exactly 225g methanol?  Perhaps I
 missed this in a previous post.

 Then when I try an example with your formula I again
 get confused.  Let's say we have perfect biodiesel. So
 this means all of if will dissolve in the methanol,
 right?

 By your formula :

 m3=m1/m2
 m3=25g/225g
 m3= 0.1

 So 0.111 is how much of the FAME is methyl esters for
 perfect FAME?  What does this mean??

 Best Regards,

 Peter G.
 Thailand

 --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Greetings Jan

 Sorry for the late reply.

 Just to add my vote of thanks - the methanol test is
 simple and
 useful, it's helped a lot of people.

 I'd like to add this development to the quality
 testing section at
 Journey to Forever, would you agree?

 All best

 Keith


 Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol
 method had so much
 attention. Here is a development of the method:
 
 Equipment needed for the analysis
 
 1. One 250 ml separatory funnel
 2. One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)
 3. One magnetic stirrer
 4. Balancer with 0,05g acc.
 5. One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask
 
 Chemicals for the analysis
 
 1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
 2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm,
 clear, bright and
 without visible impurities, min 25 g
 
 Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of
 methanol in it. Then
 add exactly 25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids
 on the stirrer for
 2 minutes. Take the beaker off the stirrer ans pour
 the content into
 the separation funnel.Take the clean e-flask to the
 balancer and
 tarate with the flask. Let any oil phase separate
 out from the
 biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the
 e-flask. Weigh the
 content and calculate the result:
 
 1 -  m1/m2 = m3
 where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
 m2 is the amount of methanol
 m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is
 consisting from methyl esters.
 The method will show huch much of the material by
 mass that is
 soluble in methanol. This includes mostl mono- and
 diglycerides. The
 residue consists therefore mostly from unreacted
 oil.
 
 With best
 Jan Warnqvist


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Re: [Biofuel] Meth test (was Off topic)

2007-06-05 Thread Guag Meister
Thanks Jan this is making a lot more sense now.

Best Regards,

Peter G.
Thailand

--- Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Peter. You forgot the first signs of the
 formula. It should be: 1 - 
 m1/m2 = m3
 In your case: 1 - 25/225 = 0,.
 There is also a definition error in the formula.
 m1 = the amount of undissolved material
 m2 = the amount of biodiesel put into the reaction
 m3= The amount of biodiesel that is dissolved in
 methanol in mass%
 Sorry about that.
 
 The proportions between methanol and biodiesel is
 carefully balanced in 
 order to make the test reproducable.
 
 Best regards
 Jan




   

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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

2007-06-05 Thread Doug Younker
Ah Keith and the group,

Respectfully you don't understand that the testing for BSE is 
unscientific.  Kansas Representative Jerry Moran has told us so.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.

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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

2007-06-05 Thread Doug Younker

Mike Weaver wrote:
 So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
 USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?
 
 Fedex.
Long ways to truck cattle to extract a sample.  Why would anyone in 
those countries risk it?  Now the USA is now bring people who have never 
previously step foot in the USA, to imprison them for violating US law.

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Mike Pelly on the radio in Boston, Hear the podcast.

2007-06-05 Thread doug swanson
http://frugalyankee.com/node/109

Keith Addison wrote:
 Subject: Mike Pelly on the radio in Boston, Hear the podcast.
 Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:58:51 -0500
 From: Mike Pelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Mike had a good time being interviewed on the Frugal Yankee radio 
 show Sunday May 27th. Find the podcast at their website.

 http://frugalyankee.com/
 

 It says:

   
 BIO-FUEL FILL UP
 With gas prices hitting all time highs, maybe it is time to look at 
 alternatives. The Frugal Yankee thinks so. There is a growing 
 movement to use various new fuels, including brewing up your own 
 diesel in your garage.
 

 I guess that's the one, but it's not clickable and I couldn't find 
 anywhere that it was clickable. Well, it's late, maybe some smarter 
 and awaker soul can find it, if so do let us know the link.

 Best

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Re: [Biofuel] Support Your Local Grower (ie Food...or otherwise?:))

2007-06-05 Thread leo bunyan
A Classic Doco
Well worth the watch

doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trailer for the movie coming out this 
summer The Real Dirt on Farmer John

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sqP1SC5Tr7U

I want to see it!

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 Keith Addison a e'crit :
   
 No downside. We have a wwebpage on CSAs:

 http://journeytoforever.org/farm_csa.html
 Community-supported farms
   
 
 known as AMAP in France
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture
 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_pour_le_maintien_d'une_agriculture_paysanne
  

   
 Needs some updating - actually it didn't start in Japan, it started 
 in Switzerland. (And some of the links are broken.)
   
 
 Wikipedia says it started mid 60's in Japan, called Teikei

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[Biofuel] BBC Newsnight Report Oct 2004

2007-06-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkvWkwv7UVo
   
A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida 
suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the 
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all slaughtered cattle for mad cow

2007-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
The beef dont show wasting because they go to market as 2 year olds. 
But you can bet your bippy the cattle and deer are vectors for the 
disease.
Some of these Malthusians say half the population has got to go.
Maybe this is the plan.
The British Queens husband, Prince Philip, said he wanted to be 
reincarnated as a deadly virus in order to contribute something to 
solve overpopulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburghhttp:/ 
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh

I think he was already incarnated as a virus this time round wasn't he?

If you stay much longer, you will go back with slitty eyes. -- 
Prince Philip speaking to a British student in Beijing during the 
British royal visit to China in 1986.

Such a red herring is the overpopupation non-issue anyway. Where 
there's real population pressure it's a symptom, not a cause.

Re: [Biofuel] Overpopulation Off Limits?
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57949.html

Good analysis:

Human Population - Global Issues
http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/Population.asp

Best

Keith



Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Same problem in NH w/ deer.

  prob the highest incidence in North America is in the US
  Colrado Springs is a problem area. It spread into the local deer
  population.
 
  Mike Weaver wrote:
  So why doesn't Creekstone just test in Canada or Mexico or anywhere the
  USDA doesn't have jurisdiction?
 
  Fedex.
 
 
  the government doesnt want the extent of mad cow to be known as it is
  high
  in some areas.
 
 
  Keith Addison wrote:
  See also:
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6711179.stm
  BBC NEWS
  EU urged to relax farm feed rules
  1 June 2007
 The European Commission has been urged to lift the ban on using
 animal remains in farm feed. EU scientists are looking at the safety
 of using animal by-products...
 
  What safety is that? Some people never learn. - K
 
  --
 
  The EU is currently funding research on the impacts of feeding animal
  carcasses to other farm animals.
  U.S. government fights to keep meatpackers from testing all
  slaughtered cattle for mad cow
  The Associated Press
  Published: May 29, 2007
 
  WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to
  keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.
 
  The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered
  cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted
  beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone
  Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.
 
  Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should
  test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform
  the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.
 
  The Agriculture Department regulates the test and argued that
  widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the
  meat industry.
 
  A federal judge ruled in March that such tests must be allowed. U.S.
  District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use
  the same test the government relies on and said the government didn't
  have the authority to restrict it. - A federal judge ruled in March
  that such tests must be allowed. The ruling was scheduled to take
  effect June 1, but the Agriculture Department said Tuesday it would
  appeal, effectively delaying the testing until the court challenge
  has played out.
 
  Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is linked to
  more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain.
 
  Three cases of mad cow disease have been found in the United States.
  The first, in December 2003 in Washington state, was in a cow that
  had been imported from Canada. The second, in 2005, was in a cow born
  in Texas. The third was confirmed last year in an Alabama cow.
 
  Found at:
  http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/29/america/NA-GEN-US-Mad-Cow.ph
  p
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Mike Pelly on the radio in Boston, Hear the podcast.

2007-06-05 Thread Keith Addison
http://frugalyankee.com/node/109

Thankyou Doug!

:-)

Keith



Keith Addison wrote:
  Subject: Mike Pelly on the radio in Boston, Hear the podcast.
  Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:58:51 -0500
  From: Mike Pelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Mike had a good time being interviewed on the Frugal Yankee radio
  show Sunday May 27th. Find the podcast at their website.
 
  http://frugalyankee.com/
 
 
  It says:
 
 
  BIO-FUEL FILL UP
  With gas prices hitting all time highs, maybe it is time to look at
  alternatives. The Frugal Yankee thinks so. There is a growing
  movement to use various new fuels, including brewing up your own
  diesel in your garage.
 
 
  I guess that's the one, but it's not clickable and I couldn't find
  anywhere that it was clickable. Well, it's late, maybe some smarter
  and awaker soul can find it, if so do let us know the link.
 
  Best
 
  Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] Off topic

2007-06-05 Thread Joe Street

Hey Jan;

Since the reaction proceeds in stages from TRi- to Di- to 
Mono-glycerides and then finally to esters, I'm wondering if there is a 
statistical relationship to the fractions??  In other words if we do a 
reaction and find 8% triglycerides remaining can we estimate the 
fractions of diglycerides and monoglycerides as well since they are 
unmeasureable with this test?  Or would the ratios depend on what type 
of oil was being used and other factors such as FFA content?


Joe

Jan Warnqvist wrote:

Dear all. I am very flattered that my methanol method had so much 
attention. Here is a development of the method:


Equipment needed for the analysis

   1. One 250 ml separatory funnel
   2. One 400 ml beaker (Figure 2)
   3. One magnetic stirrer
   4. Balancer with 0,05g acc.
  5.
  One 50 ml  narrowed neck E-flask
   


Chemicals for the analysis

1. Water free methanol, min 225 g
2. FAME with water content less than  500 ppm, clear, bright and 
without visible impurities, min 25 g
 
Take the clean beaker and put exactly 225 g of methanol in it. Then 
add exactly 25g of the biodiesel. Stir the fluids on the stirrer for 2 
minutes. Take the beaker off the stirrer ans pour the content into the 
separation funnel.Take the clean e-flask to the balancer and tarate 
with the flask. Let any oil phase separate out from the 
biodiesel/methanol phase and put it in the  e-flask. Weigh the content 
and calculate the result:
 
1 -  m1/m2 = m3

where m1 is the mass of the biodiesel
m2 is the amount of methanol
m3 is how much of the biodiesel put in that is consisting from methyl 
esters.
The method will show huch much of the material by mass that is soluble 
in methanol. This includes mostl mono- and diglycerides. The residue 
consists therefore mostly from unreacted oil.
 
With best

Jan Warnqvist

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*From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

Hi Ray;

Sorry for the delay.  Try this forum for more information on Delicas.

http://delica.ca/forum/index.php

Joe

raymond greeley wrote:


I would like to see this van, what did you send it in. I have not
been able to open
ray



Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:48:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Newbie Seeking Diesel Van Recommendations

Look for a mitsubishi delica.  A buddy of mine just imported
one with low miles from Japan.  He loves it.

Joe

Luke Kareklas wrote:

Hello All, 


I am a Kid's Birthday Party Entertainer, as well as a
Juggler, Magician, and Balloon Guy.

I live in the Midwest, and have all 4 seasons during the
year, if this is a helpful bit of information. 
 
Lately my entertainment business has gotten really busy

and it's come time for me to buy a larger vehicle. I have
been a fan of alternative fuels for years, but never
pursued a diesel vehicle.

I would like recommendations on what type of deisel van
would you recommend that would most easily transfer over
to a SVO, WVO, or biodiesel system for me to drive? I am
looking for a 1/2 or 3/4 ton van, not really a minivan
type of vehicle.

Again, I am naive and new to all this and hope your
thoughts will help ground me and get me pointed in the
right direction. I guess I have to go buy a diesel
vehicle before I can get moving on SVO, WVO, or Biodiesel
fueling, right?
Thank you very much.

Luke
 
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*614-764-8010*
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Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread Joe Street
The document appears to be a bunch of advertising for health products!  
I bet they are expensive.


Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:

_The Best Control II_ was written by acclaimed pest control expert, 
Stephen L. Tvedten.
This body of work encompasses every aspect of Integrated Pest 
Management (IPM).
Learn how to practice nontoxic pest control using safe alternatives to 
pesticides.
This book is offered free of charge to encourage the spread of 
nontoxic pest control.

All chapters are available (in PDF format) for download below:


A chapter I read last night. Got an education in diatomaceous
earth. Used to think it was all the same



http://safesolutionsinc.com/40_-_Detoxification.pdf






This new website at http://www.stephentvedten.com/  has all of my
original IPM encyclopedia in its original form and will continue
to have more and more free, updated Chapters every week.  So far
we have electronically updated The Introduction, Chapter 11, 15,
16A, 16B, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30,
31,32 and the Glossary of Terms.   All of these copyrighted items
are free for you to read and/or download. There is simply no need
to POISON yourself or your family or to have any pest problems.

And

*IWebsites: * http://www.thebestcontrol.com
http://www.thebestcontrol.com/ , http://www.getipm.com
http://www.getipm.com/ , http://www.learnipm.com
http://www.learnipm.com/ , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/ have posted a lot of free pest
control alternatives and other relevant information on the website
located at: http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/resources.htm  and/or
http://www.thebestcontrol.com http://www.thebestcontrol.com/ . 
There is a free 86 page booklet on how to control most pest

problems without using any pesticide POISONS entitled: *THE BUG
STOPS HERE.*  There is a free chapter on Lice/Scabies, a chapter
on Mosquitoes, a free chapter on Detoxification and a section on
fire ants from my newest IPM manual/encyclopedia entitled: THE
BEST CONTROL II.  All of these copyrighted items are free for you
to simply read and/or download.  There simply is no need to POISON
yourself. 
.

Websites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com ,
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com


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Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
I didnt get the impression it is an infomercial at all. He lists some sources 
because some things are hard to find but in his ant killer for example 
   
  and remember ants are finicky eaters that prefer fresh baits.
  One example of a homemade ant bait: Mix 1 level teaspoon (or less) of boric 
acid per 2½ fluid ounces of corn syrup
  or honey. Heat until boric acid dissolves. Cool. Dilute bait with an equal 
volume of water. Apply bait with an eye
  dropper, or place it in small, shallow lids where ants feed. Keep baits 
available to ants for two weeks. Keep the
  mixture out of reach of children and pets. We only recommend using boric acid 
baits of 1% or less so they can act
  as a non-repelling toxin to ensure that the toxin remains effective after 
trophallaxis and that it is thoroughly spread
  throughout the colony before taking effect (slow-acting poison). Put green or 
red food color in the bait. Another
  safer bait is powdered sugar and baking soda, or use 5% food-grade DE or 
aspartame instead of boric acid.
  

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The document appears to be a bunch of advertising for health products!  I bet 
they are expensive.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
The Best Control II was written by acclaimed pest control expert, Stephen 
L. Tvedten.
  This body of work encompasses every aspect of Integrated Pest Management 
(IPM).
  Learn how to practice nontoxic pest control using safe alternatives to 
pesticides.
  This book is offered free of charge to encourage the spread of nontoxic pest 
control. 
  All chapters are available (in PDF format) for download below:

  
A chapter I read last night. Got an education in diatomaceous earth. Used to 
think it was all the same
  
http://safesolutionsinc.com/40_-_Detoxification.pdf




This new website at http://www.stephentvedten.com/  has all of my original IPM 
encyclopedia in its original form and will continue to have more and more free, 
updated Chapters every week.  So far we have electronically updated The 
Introduction, Chapter 11, 15, 16A, 16B, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 
27, 28, 29, 30, 31,32 and the Glossary of Terms.   All of these copyrighted 
items are free for you to read and/or download. There is simply no need to 
POISON yourself or your family or to have any pest problems.

And 

IWebsites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com , 
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com have posted a lot of 
free pest control alternatives and other relevant information on the website 
located at: http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/resources.htm  and/or 
http://www.thebestcontrol.com .  There is a free 86 page booklet on how to 
control most pest problems without using any pesticide POISONS entitled: THE 
BUG STOPS HERE.  There is a free chapter on Lice/Scabies, a chapter on 
Mosquitoes, a free chapter on Detoxification and a section on fire ants from my 
newest IPM manual/encyclopedia entitled: THE BEST CONTROL II.  All of these 
copyrighted items are free for you to simply read and/or download.  There 
simply is no need to POISON yourself.  
..
Websites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com , 
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com

  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread Joe Street

Well have a look over here then;

http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/personal-care.htm
$40 for 180 capsules?  It aint cheap!

Or here
http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/alternatives.htm
12 bucks for a pound of diatoms?  LMAO!

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:

I didnt get the impression it is an infomercial at all. He lists some 
sources because some things are hard to find but in his ant killer for 
example
 
and remember ants are finicky eaters that prefer *fresh *baits.
One example of a homemade ant bait: Mix 1 level teaspoon (or less) of 
boric acid per 2½ fluid ounces of corn syrup
or honey. Heat until boric acid dissolves. Cool. Dilute bait with an 
equal volume of water. Apply bait with an eye
dropper, or place it in small, shallow lids where ants feed. Keep 
baits available to ants for two weeks. Keep the
mixture out of reach of children and pets. We only recommend using 
boric acid baits of 1% or less so they can act
as a non-repelling toxin to ensure that the toxin remains effective 
after trophallaxis and that it is thoroughly spread
throughout the colony before taking effect (slow-acting poison). Put 
green or red food color in the bait. Another
safer bait is powdered sugar and baking soda, or use 5% food-grade DE 
or aspartame instead of boric acid.



*/Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

The document appears to be a bunch of advertising for health
products!  I bet they are expensive.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


_The Best Control II_ was written by acclaimed pest control
expert, Stephen L. Tvedten.
This body of work encompasses every aspect of Integrated Pest
Management (IPM).
Learn how to practice nontoxic pest control using safe
alternatives to pesticides.
This book is offered free of charge to encourage the spread of
nontoxic pest control.
All chapters are available (in PDF format) for download below:


A chapter I read last night. Got an education in diatomaceous
earth. Used to think it was all the same



http://safesolutionsinc.com/40_-_Detoxification.pdf






This new website at http://www.stephentvedten.com/  has all
of my original IPM encyclopedia in its original form and will
continue to have more and more free, updated Chapters every
week.  So far we have electronically updated The
Introduction, Chapter 11, 15, 16A, 16B, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21,
22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31,32 and the Glossary of
Terms.   All of these copyrighted items are free for you to
read and/or download. There is simply no need to POISON
yourself or your family or to have any pest problems.

And

*IWebsites: * http://www.thebestcontrol.com
http://www.thebestcontrol.com/ , http://www.getipm.com
http://www.getipm.com/ , http://www.learnipm.com
http://www.learnipm.com/ , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/ have posted a lot of free
pest control alternatives and other relevant information on
the website located at:
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/resources.htm  and/or
http://www.thebestcontrol.com
http://www.thebestcontrol.com/ .  There is a free 86 page
booklet on how to control most pest problems without using
any pesticide POISONS entitled: *THE BUG STOPS HERE.*  There
is a free chapter on Lice/Scabies, a chapter on Mosquitoes, a
free chapter on Detoxification and a section on fire ants
from my newest IPM manual/encyclopedia entitled: THE BEST
CONTROL II.  All of these copyrighted items are free for you
to simply read and/or download.  There simply is no need to
POISON yourself. 
.

Websites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com ,
http://www.getipm.com , http://www.learnipm.com ,
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com


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Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
Less than 25 cents a cap for herbs and EDTA? Have you looked at what most EDTA 
formulas sell for?
  Food grade diatomaceous? Pool grade diatomaceous is carcinogenic. Food grade 
costs more.
  Example - A large bottle of peroxide is 1 or 2 bucks right?
  How much is food grade? Over 20 right?
  Besides, he has 1500 pages of stuff you can make in your kitchen with grocery 
store items. Whats the beef?

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well have a look over here then;

http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/personal-care.htm
 $40 for 180 capsules?  It aint cheap!

Or here
http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/alternatives.htm
12 bucks for a pound of diatoms?  LMAO!

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
I didnt get the impression it is an infomercial at all. He lists some 
sources because some things are hard to find but in his ant killer for example 
   
  and remember ants are finicky eaters that prefer fresh baits.
  One example of a homemade ant bait: Mix 1 level teaspoon (or less) of boric 
acid per 2½ fluid ounces of corn syrup
  or honey. Heat until boric acid dissolves. Cool. Dilute bait with an equal 
volume of water. Apply bait with an eye
  dropper, or place it in small, shallow lids where ants feed. Keep baits 
available to ants for two weeks. Keep the
  mixture out of reach of children and pets. We only recommend using boric acid 
baits of 1% or less so they can act
  as a non-repelling toxin to ensure that the toxin remains effective after 
trophallaxis and that it is thoroughly spread
  throughout the colony before taking effect (slow-acting poison). Put green or 
red food color in the bait. Another
  safer bait is powdered sugar and baking soda, or use 5% food-grade DE or 
aspartame instead of boric acid.
  

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The document appears to be a bunch of advertising for health products!  I bet 
they are expensive.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
The Best Control II was written by acclaimed pest control expert, Stephen 
L. Tvedten.
  This body of work encompasses every aspect of Integrated Pest Management 
(IPM).
  Learn how to practice nontoxic pest control using safe alternatives to 
pesticides.
  This book is offered free of charge to encourage the spread of nontoxic pest 
control. 
  All chapters are available (in PDF format) for download below:

  
A chapter I read last night. Got an education in diatomaceous earth. Used to 
think it was all the same
  
http://safesolutionsinc.com/40_-_Detoxification.pdf




This new website at http://www.stephentvedten.com/  has all of my original IPM 
encyclopedia in its original form and will continue to have more and more free, 
updated Chapters every week.  So far we have electronically updated The 
Introduction, Chapter 11, 15, 16A, 16B, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 
27, 28, 29, 30, 31,32 and the Glossary of Terms.   All of these copyrighted 
items are free for you to read and/or download. There is simply no need to 
POISON yourself or your family or to have any pest problems.

And 

IWebsites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com , 
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com have posted a lot of 
free pest control alternatives and other relevant information on the website 
located at: http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/resources.htm  and/or 
http://www.thebestcontrol.com .  There is a free 86 page booklet on how to 
control most pest problems without using any pesticide POISONS entitled: THE 
BUG STOPS HERE.  There is a free chapter on Lice/Scabies, a chapter on 
Mosquitoes, a free chapter on Detoxification and a section on fire ants from my 
newest IPM manual/encyclopedia entitled: THE BEST CONTROL II.  All of these 
copyrighted items are free for you to simply read and/or download.  There 
simply is no need to POISON yourself.  
..
Websites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com , 
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com

  
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Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread Joe Street
No BEEF here.  But I haven't tried to calculate my costs but I grow 
herbs in my garden and I have a much better chance of knowing what is on 
them.  I bet it costs less my way, which anyone can do, and it may be 
better.  Certainly is when I consume the herbs fresh. (except for the 
nettles of course LOL) As for the diatomaceous earth I don't eat it.  I 
sprinkle a little around the stoop to encourage the ants to stay in 
THEIR home which I allow them to have out in the yard.  Interestingly 
when I called off the war against them they pretty much called off their 
invasion of my space.  Go figure.


Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:

Less than 25 cents a cap for herbs and EDTA? Have you looked at what 
most EDTA formulas sell for?
Food grade diatomaceous? Pool grade diatomaceous is carcinogenic. Food 
grade costs more.

Example - A large bottle of peroxide is 1 or 2 bucks right?
How much is food grade? Over 20 right?
Besides, he has 1500 pages of stuff you can make in your kitchen with 
grocery store items. Whats the beef?


*/Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Well have a look over here then;

http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/personal-care.htm
 $40 for 180 capsules?  It aint cheap!

Or here
http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/alternatives.htm
12 bucks for a pound of diatoms?  LMAO!

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I didnt get the impression it is an infomercial at all. He lists
some sources because some things are hard to find but in his ant
killer for example
 
and remember ants are finicky eaters that prefer *fresh *baits.

One example of a homemade ant bait: Mix 1 level teaspoon (or
less) of boric acid per 2½ fluid ounces of corn syrup
or honey. Heat until boric acid dissolves. Cool. Dilute bait with
an equal volume of water. Apply bait with an eye
dropper, or place it in small, shallow lids where ants feed. Keep
baits available to ants for two weeks. Keep the
mixture out of reach of children and pets. We only recommend
using boric acid baits of 1% or less so they can act
as a non-repelling toxin to ensure that the toxin remains
effective after trophallaxis and that it is thoroughly spread
throughout the colony before taking effect (slow-acting poison).
Put green or red food color in the bait. Another
safer bait is powdered sugar and baking soda, or use 5%
food-grade DE or aspartame instead of boric acid.


*/Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

The document appears to be a bunch of advertising for health
products!  I bet they are expensive.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


_The Best Control II_ was written by acclaimed pest
control expert, Stephen L. Tvedten.
This body of work encompasses every aspect of Integrated
Pest Management (IPM).
Learn how to practice nontoxic pest control using safe
alternatives to pesticides.
This book is offered free of charge to encourage the spread
of nontoxic pest control.
All chapters are available (in PDF format) for download below:


A chapter I read last night. Got an education in
diatomaceous earth. Used to think it was all the same



http://safesolutionsinc.com/40_-_Detoxification.pdf






This new website at http://www.stephentvedten.com/  has
all of my original IPM encyclopedia in its original form
and will continue to have more and more free, updated
Chapters every week.  So far we have electronically
updated The Introduction, Chapter 11, 15, 16A, 16B, 17,
18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30,
31,32 and the Glossary of Terms.   All of these
copyrighted items are free for you to read and/or
download. There is simply no need to POISON yourself or
your family or to have any pest problems.

And

*IWebsites: * http://www.thebestcontrol.com
http://www.thebestcontrol.com/ , http://www.getipm.com
http://www.getipm.com/ , http://www.learnipm.com
http://www.learnipm.com/ ,
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/ have posted a lot of
free pest control alternatives and other relevant
information on the website located at:
http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/resources.htm  and/or
http://www.thebestcontrol.com
http://www.thebestcontrol.com/ .  There is a free 86
page booklet on how to control most pest problems
without using any pesticide POISONS entitled: *THE BUG
STOPS HERE.*  There is a free chapter on Lice/Scabies, a
chapter on Mosquitoes, a free chapter on Detoxification
and a section on fire ants from my newest IPM
manual/encyclopedia entitled: THE BEST 

Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread Kirk McLoren
The nettles are very good, the growing tip. Just trim 2 inches off the top.

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  No BEEF here.  But I haven't tried to 
calculate my costs but I grow herbs in my garden and I have a much better 
chance of knowing what is on them.  I bet it costs less my way, which anyone 
can do, and it may be better.  Certainly is when I consume the herbs fresh. 
(except for the nettles of course LOL) As for the diatomaceous earth I don't 
eat it.  I sprinkle a little around the stoop to encourage the ants to stay in 
THEIR home which I allow them to have out in the yard.  Interestingly when I 
called off the war against them they pretty much called off their invasion of 
my space.  Go figure.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
Less than 25 cents a cap for herbs and EDTA? Have you looked at what most 
EDTA formulas sell for?
  Food grade diatomaceous? Pool grade diatomaceous is carcinogenic. Food grade 
costs more.
  Example - A large bottle of peroxide is 1 or 2 bucks right?
  How much is food grade? Over 20 right?
  Besides, he has 1500 pages of stuff you can make in your kitchen with grocery 
store items. Whats the beef?

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well have a look over here then;

http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/personal-care.htm
 $40 for 180 capsules?  It aint cheap!

Or here
http://www.safe2use.com/store/products/alternatives.htm
12 bucks for a pound of diatoms?  LMAO!

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
I didnt get the impression it is an infomercial at all. He lists some 
sources because some things are hard to find but in his ant killer for example 
   
  and remember ants are finicky eaters that prefer fresh baits.
  One example of a homemade ant bait: Mix 1 level teaspoon (or less) of boric 
acid per 2½ fluid ounces of corn syrup
  or honey. Heat until boric acid dissolves. Cool. Dilute bait with an equal 
volume of water. Apply bait with an eye
  dropper, or place it in small, shallow lids where ants feed. Keep baits 
available to ants for two weeks. Keep the
  mixture out of reach of children and pets. We only recommend using boric acid 
baits of 1% or less so they can act
  as a non-repelling toxin to ensure that the toxin remains effective after 
trophallaxis and that it is thoroughly spread
  throughout the colony before taking effect (slow-acting poison). Put green or 
red food color in the bait. Another
  safer bait is powdered sugar and baking soda, or use 5% food-grade DE or 
aspartame instead of boric acid.
  

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The document appears to be a bunch of advertising for health products!  I bet 
they are expensive.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
The Best Control II was written by acclaimed pest control expert, Stephen 
L. Tvedten.
  This body of work encompasses every aspect of Integrated Pest Management 
(IPM).
  Learn how to practice nontoxic pest control using safe alternatives to 
pesticides.
  This book is offered free of charge to encourage the spread of nontoxic pest 
control. 
  All chapters are available (in PDF format) for download below:

  
A chapter I read last night. Got an education in diatomaceous earth. Used to 
think it was all the same
  
http://safesolutionsinc.com/40_-_Detoxification.pdf




This new website at http://www.stephentvedten.com/  has all of my original IPM 
encyclopedia in its original form and will continue to have more and more free, 
updated Chapters every week.  So far we have electronically updated The 
Introduction, Chapter 11, 15, 16A, 16B, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 
27, 28, 29, 30, 31,32 and the Glossary of Terms.   All of these copyrighted 
items are free for you to read and/or download. There is simply no need to 
POISON yourself or your family or to have any pest problems.

And 

IWebsites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com , 
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com have posted a lot of 
free pest control alternatives and other relevant information on the website 
located at: http://www.safesolutionsinc.com/resources.htm  and/or 
http://www.thebestcontrol.com .  There is a free 86 page booklet on how to 
control most pest problems without using any pesticide POISONS entitled: THE 
BUG STOPS HERE.  There is a free chapter on Lice/Scabies, a chapter on 
Mosquitoes, a free chapter on Detoxification and a section on fire ants from my 
newest IPM manual/encyclopedia entitled: THE BEST CONTROL II.  All of these 
copyrighted items are free for you to simply read and/or download.  There 
simply is no need to POISON yourself.  
..
Websites:  http://www.thebestcontrol.com , http://www.getipm.com , 
http://www.learnipm.com , http://www.safesolutionsinc.com

  
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Re: [Biofuel] poison free pesticides

2007-06-05 Thread robert and benita rabello
Kirk McLoren wrote:

 The nettles are very good, the growing tip. Just trim 2 inches off the 
 top.


They're delicious, as long as you don't eat them raw!!!

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
The Long Journey
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/


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