Re: [WSG] IE/Win vs IE/Mac
Wrote by two completely different teams of programmers, with different mentalities. They actually share very little in common with each other, other than the name that is. On May 20, 2004, at 09:51, Mordechai Peller wrote: You would figure, one company, one logic, one set of bugs. But no! Here's to Web Standards. Thank's Bill. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Safari on x86
You'd be better off buying a cheap mac to test on. The PearPC thing is full of bugs and slower than a dead turtle (talk about slow!). From what I've seen, it 1/500th the speed of your current processor. On May 20, 2004, at 04:42, Ralph wrote: Hi all.. I hope this is not too off topic.. But I came across a project on SourceForge called PearPC (URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pearpc/ ) which seems to allow MacOS to run on x86 (and posix).. For some time I been wondering how I can get Safari (or any other Mac browser) to work on a x86.. I'd really like to hear from anyone who has been able to get it to work.. Or at least thinking of trying... If you wish to reply, feel free to reply off-list to my address... Thanks! Ralph * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] New suckerfish menus
Just a quick note on the new article on digital web mag, by Peter-Paul Koch. Mentions something interesting about his disapproval of the suckerfish dropdowns, and combining JS and CSS (3/4 down the page under Separation). http://www.digital-web.com/articles/separating_behavior_and_presentation / Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kay Smoljak Sent: Friday, 21 May 2004 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] New suckerfish menus Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a new version of the famous Suckerfish menus: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ They've added support for multiple levels, and lightened the JavaScript even further to just 12 lines. I'm officially flabbergasted :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] New suckerfish menus
As Inspector Gadget would say ... WOWSERS! -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Kay Smoljak wrote: Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a new version of the famous Suckerfish menus: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ They've added support for multiple levels, and lightened the JavaScript even further to just 12 lines. I'm officially flabbergasted :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Testing in multiple versions of Safari
Don't know if this has occurred to other Mac users, but the revised Suckerfish menus have prompted me to post this to the list. (Later versions of Safari seem to cope well with both versions of the Suckerfish menus, but Safari 1.0 has problems, more with the earlier than the version on HTML Dog.) If you have a recent version of Safari, you can still test in Safari 1 if you download the OmniWeb 5 beta, which runs on the earlier Safari web engine. With many Mac users likely to be stuck for ever in Jaguar and unable to update Safari, this may be worth doing where relevant, as in this case. -Hugh Todd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] New suckerfish menus
Some brief tests of http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/vertical.html Win IE 4 - only the 1st level menu items display and theyre very widely spaced Win IE 5.01 - on mouseover the menu jumps all over the place Win IE 5.5 - Works fine Win IE 6 - works fine Still a laudable piece of work but the individual decision to not have a working menu for IE 4/5 and design for the future must be made. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Kay Smoljak wrote: Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a new version of the famous Suckerfish menus: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ They've added support for multiple levels, and lightened the JavaScript even further to just 12 lines. I'm officially flabbergasted :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Safari on x86
That's what we did. We have one little lonely eMac in our office for browser testing and other Mac related development projects. It was a necessary upgrade since the old Power PC 7200/120 just couldn't cope anymore. Chris On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 16:19, Michael Donnermeyer wrote: You'd be better off buying a cheap mac to test on. The PearPC thing is full of bugs and slower than a dead turtle (talk about slow!). From what I've seen, it 1/500th the speed of your current processor. On May 20, 2004, at 04:42, Ralph wrote: Hi all.. I hope this is not too off topic.. But I came across a project on SourceForge called PearPC (URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pearpc/ ) which seems to allow MacOS to run on x86 (and posix).. For some time I been wondering how I can get Safari (or any other Mac browser) to work on a x86.. I'd really like to hear from anyone who has been able to get it to work.. Or at least thinking of trying... If you wish to reply, feel free to reply off-list to my address... Thanks! Ralph * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] New suckerfish menus
Neerav wrote: Still a laudable piece of work but the individual decision to not have a working menu for IE 4/5 and design for the future must be made. But if you stick to the horizontal menu (which works well in IE5) and use the @import to hide the relevant CSS from version 4 browsers (neither IE4 or NS4 can deal with the dropdowns), you serve IE4, NS4 and any browser which does not understand CSS with straight lists as menus, you get a functional menu system that works in almost every browser (I will not guarantee Opera 5 6). I am impressed, what took 30k+ of complex javascript is now done with 12 lines of javascript and roughly the same amout of CSS code. Nick * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] New suckerfish menus
Title: RE: [WSG] New suckerfish menus Or as Mr Bell would say, DING DONG! Jamie Mason: Design (Ps- oh no...what have I done?) -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 May 2004 07:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] New suckerfish menus As Inspector Gadget would say ... WOWSERS! -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Kay Smoljak wrote: Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a new version of the famous Suckerfish menus: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ They've added support for multiple levels, and lightened the _javascript_ even further to just 12 lines. I'm officially flabbergasted :) -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Suckerfish Galore!
Thanks very much for the comments on the Suckerfish Dropdowns article. There are now more Suckerfish articles up on HTML Dog that explain how you can mimic :hover, :active, :focus and even :target for some interesting results: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/ I've been putting last minute touches to this last night and this morning (I'm on UK time), but there's quite a lot of stuff in there and my head is now starting to hurt, so if you find any typo's or other errors, please let me know... Cheers Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE/Win vs IE/Mac
Michael Donnermeyer wrote: Wrote by two completely different teams of programmers, with different mentalities. They actually share very little in common with each other, other than the name that is. I know. It was a rant in which I should have hit delete rather than send. What inspired it was a seeming rash of threads about IE/Mac problems (not just here, but other places as well), while in the past I've often seen it touted as better than IE/Win. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Suckerfish Galore!
El vie, 21-05-2004 a las 12:11, Patrick Griffiths escribió: Thanks very much for the comments on the Suckerfish Dropdowns article. There are now more Suckerfish articles up on HTML Dog that explain how you can mimic :hover, :active, :focus and even :target for some interesting results: Patrick, thanks very much for your awesome job. I've got one question, combining Suckerfish+IE7 means one can get rid of the js part of the menus? -- Manuel trabaja para Simplelógica, construcción web (+34) 985 22 12 65 http://simplelogica.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Testing in multiple versions of Safari
Don't know if this has occurred to other Mac users, but the revised Suckerfish menus have prompted me to post this suggestion to the list. (Later versions of Safari -- I'm using 1.2 -- seem to cope well with both versions of the Suckerfish menus, but Safari 1.0 has problems, more with the earlier than the version on HTML Dog.) If you have a recent version of Safari, you can still test in Safari 1 if you download the OmniWeb 5 beta, which runs on the earlier Safari web engine. With many Mac users likely to be stuck for ever in Jaguar and unable to update Safari, this may be worth doing where relevant, as in this sort of case. -Hugh Todd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Printing problem
I'm having a problem with printing web pages which I have put together with
CSS. I have done this before and have never had a problem. The pages render
OK in IE but when you hit the print button IE closes and restarts.
For the life of me I can't spot the problem..I've even wrapped the style
sheet in an @media all{} tag. Anyone else come across this problem before or
have any suggestions?
the site is http://www.douglaspartnership.com
any thoughts much appreciated.
regards
Giles
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[WSG] Re: New suckerfish menus
I've found a potential CSS incompatibility with the dropdowns. On my 'About Me' page http://eastsdomain.com/site/people/noa/, when the dropdown CSS is active, my content containing box doesn't expand vertically to accomodate all the content. I figured out this was because of the left:-999em rule initially applied to child menus. I changed the rule to top:-999em and fixed the problem right off. Just thought you'd like to know. :-) -Noa Patrick Griffiths writes: There's discussion of the dropdowns going on here: http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/50.php#comments We've tested them on everything we can get our hands on, but unfortunately there seems to be a few little problems, specifically with Safari 1.0 (I think they're fine in 1.2) and IE Mac. As far as I can tell, they've still got better browser compatibility than most other methods (such as .htc), but we would like to make them as solid as possible, so if anyone has any pointers, please let me know. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Problem with listmenu - unwanted margin in IE
Hi everybody! I hope somebody can help me with this frustrating problem. The menu works fine in Opera, but in IE i get an unexpected margin in the bottom. What am i doin' wrong here? I have given up :..( The menu is found here: http://www.mailgate.se/~nova/kundeweb/webmail_meny.php It belongs to the frameset found here: http://www.mailgate.se/~nova/kundeweb/index.html Click on webmail in the top menu to find the menu with the problem. The stylesheet validates: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mailgate.se%2F%7Enova%2Fkundeweb%2Fmeny.csswarning=1profile=""> and the HTML validates: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mailgate.se%2F%7Enova%2Fkundeweb%2Fmeny.csswarning=1profile="">
Re: [WSG] Re: New suckerfish menus
Thanks Noa, I've been noticing a few weird things with using left. top appears to be alot better. We'll change it.. Quoting east [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've found a potential CSS incompatibility with the dropdowns. On my 'About Me' page http://eastsdomain.com/site/people/noa/, when the dropdown CSS is active, my content containing box doesn't expand vertically to accomodate all the content. I figured out this was because of the left:-999em rule initially applied to child menus. I changed the rule to top:-999em and fixed the problem right off. Just thought you'd like to know. :-) -Noa Patrick Griffiths writes: There's discussion of the dropdowns going on here: http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/50.php#comments We've tested them on everything we can get our hands on, but unfortunately there seems to be a few little problems, specifically with Safari 1.0 (I think they're fine in 1.2) and IE Mac. As far as I can tell, they've still got better browser compatibility than most other methods (such as .htc), but we would like to make them as solid as possible, so if anyone has any pointers, please let me know. Patrick Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Headings problem
-- Original Message - From: Razvan Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... It is a h2. It has margin-top The menu above is a list. The ul has margin-bottom: 50px; Works in IE and Opera. In Firefox there is no space between Articole and the menu above. Any ideas? Hi, You have floated your li elements to the left and thus your ul is empty. Browser tries to position heading in the first available place, and that is just below floated lis. Removefloat:left from your #stanga ul li css rules. And then you will have to adjust bottom margin for the ul itself. That's it. Regards, Rimanas * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Headings problem
-- Original Message - From: Razvan Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... It is a h2. It has margin-top The menu above is a list. The ul has margin-bottom: 50px; Works in IE and Opera. In Firefox there is no space between Articole and the menu above. Any ideas? Hi, You have floated your li elements to the left and thus your ul is empty. Browser tries to position heading in the first available place, and that is just below floated lis. Removefloat:left from your #stanga ul li css rules. And then you will have to adjust bottom margin for the ul itself. That's it. Regards, Rimanas * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Printing problems sorted
Thanks everyone I have sorted the printing probs. Regards Giles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Styled not picked up by FF
Hi, I've one small problem with this page http://www.pagemakers.dk/divtest/ Isthe padding on the #content is not being picked up by FF... or is it something else preventing FF from moving the #content text down? The CSS is here http://www.pagemakers.dk/divtest/mouseriders.css Thank you Kim
Re: [WSG] Styled not picked up by FF
Kim Kruse wrote:
Hi,
I've one small problem with this page http://www.pagemakers.dk/divtest/
Is the padding on the #content is not being picked up by FF... or is
it something else preventing FF from moving the #content text down?
The CSS is here http://www.pagemakers.dk/divtest/mouseriders.css
Thank you
Kim
I think you have a typo in your CSS file --
.content overskrift {
should probably read
#content .overskrift {
As for what causing the top padding to not show up in Fox, I've not a clue =/
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RE: [WSG] Styled not picked up by FF
Kim Kruse wrote: http://www.pagemakers.dk/divtest/ Is the padding on the #content is not being picked up by FF or is it something else preventing FF from moving the #content text down? Kim, The top navigation seems to be causing this, the #nav is floated left. Add a clear:left to the container style, which is what follows the #nav Regards Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] New suckerfish menus
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ As the hidden menus are off screen I found tabbing through the links problematic, with the original suckerfish you could tab along the main sections. I realise display:none has been removed for screen reader access to all links. Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Clear Styles?
I dont know, but is there a way to hide all styles from a div what I have is - an admin page, where the owner can enter text into a TEXTAREA And click PREVIEW and it will load it into a DIV below the TEXTAREA. I dont want any of the styles to "cascade" down into this area... Is there anyway to stop that from happening? I think i explined it very "crappily" and i hope you understand what I am after... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Clear Styles?
You could give the div a id of say #preview
*{ } and use that and it should attribute the styles you define in
preview to everything in the div
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Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 11:34
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To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Clear Styles?
I dont know, but is there a way to hide all styles from a div
what I have is - an admin page, where the owner can enter text into a
TEXTAREA
And click PREVIEW
and it will load it into a DIV below the TEXTAREA.
I dont want any of the styles to cascade down into this area...
Is there anyway to stop that from happening?
I think i explined it very crappily and i hope you understand what
I am after...
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Re: [WSG] Printing problem
Giles Clark wrote:
I'm having a problem with printing web pages which I have put together with
CSS. I have done this before and have never had a problem. The pages render
OK in IE but when you hit the print button IE closes and restarts.
For the life of me I can't spot the problem..I've even wrapped the style
sheet in an @media all{} tag. Anyone else come across this problem before or
have any suggestions?
the site is http://www.douglaspartnership.com
any thoughts much appreciated.
regards
Giles
Tried printing in IE6 Win, no problems here. Which version/platform of
IE is crashing and restarting?
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[WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
Hi Members, Voting has now closed for the WSG design competition. For your information, here are the top 3 results: Voting (total 144 votes): 69 votes (47.9%) - Russ Weakley 35 votes (24.3%) - Current Site 17 votes (11.8%) - Lindsay Evans Rating (sum of points awarded -2 to 2): 154 - Russ Weakley 61 - Lindsay Evans 39 - Current Site To be honest, the exercise did not go as well as we had planned. While the initial interest seemed high, we received only 3 member submissions from approximately 600 members and only 23% of the membership made the effort to vote. This clearly shows there isn't much interest in participating in the WSG redesign. We hear you loud and clear! Rather than drag this project out any further we have decided to put it out of its misery. No one will be awarded the winner and we will not continue with the open redesign process. The host (webboy.net) will remain responsible for the design of the website and this may involve inviting members directly for input at a later date. We will now implement some changes to the operation and codebase of the website but in the short term, the existing look and feel will remain pretty well as is. We would like to thank the three members who submitted entries; Lindsay Evans, Hugh Todd and Susan Gossman. All three entrants will receive a copy of Dan Cederholm's book Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook for taking the time to enter and they should all be congratulated for the spirit and courage it took to step out in front of a somewhat intimidating audience. We would also like to thank those 144 members that took the time to vote. Oh well. Live and learn! Any discussion on this topic should take place on http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm Peter and Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
Well I for one thought it was a worthwhile project, and a good thing to try. I didn't submit a design because I don't put myself in the same class as many of the others on this list. I wouldn't want to have my design work judged alongside professional designers. Now if you're talking about code and functionality and stuff, well my professional reputation will put me in the running I reckon, but not design skills. I'm here on this list as a learner, and I'm learning as fast as I can. But able to contribute a classy design as the showcase of this group? Not me. Couldn't do it. And specially not using the CSS/Accessibility techniques we're all learning. I'd venture to suggest there were quite a few of the members of this list who were in the same category as me. The impression I have is that there aren't all that many of the 600 list members who'd say they were fully conversant with all the techniques advocated by this group. Don't regard the response as lack of interest. Call it lack of expertise on the part of the list members with techniques that while familiar to you, are new and revolutionary to most of the web development world. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Firminger Sent: Saturday, 22 May 2004 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed Hi Members, Voting has now closed for the WSG design competition. For your information, here are the top 3 results: Voting (total 144 votes): 69 votes (47.9%) - Russ Weakley 35 votes (24.3%) - Current Site 17 votes (11.8%) - Lindsay Evans Rating (sum of points awarded -2 to 2): 154 - Russ Weakley 61 - Lindsay Evans 39 - Current Site * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] embedding flash in xhtml
I have a problem with my xhtml page which has a flash movie. When validating I have found a bit of an anomoly. I have used object etc to embed it on the page and it will validate as xhtml 1.0 strict. Then I found that it does not display the flash movie in Netscape?! Very odd. So I put the embed tags back in and sure as anything it displays correctly in netscape, but of course doesn't validate as xhtml at all. Embed is not valid xhtml. My question is doesn't Netscape support putting flash files into pages?. It is very strange. I know there must be a cure for my problem... If anyone could advise me I would be grateful as I have sold the site directly on the standards compliancy issue. _ FOXTEL Digital - Your ticket to cinema at home: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7718915;9123289;x?http://www.foxtel.com.au/Campaign/channelchoice.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
I agree with Mike While decently conversant with XHTML/CSS and learning more constantly, I don't call myself a graphics designer. So until I gain a lot more experience and skill, submitting a template for the WSG is as unlikely as my designs joining the CSS Zen Garden. Why not use the submitted designs as alternative stylesheets to the WSG site? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Michael Kear wrote: Well I for one thought it was a worthwhile project, and a good thing to try. I didn't submit a design because I don't put myself in the same class as many of the others on this list. I wouldn't want to have my design work judged alongside professional designers. Now if you're talking about code and functionality and stuff, well my professional reputation will put me in the running I reckon, but not design skills. I'm here on this list as a learner, and I'm learning as fast as I can. But able to contribute a classy design as the showcase of this group? Not me. Couldn't do it. And specially not using the CSS/Accessibility techniques we're all learning. I'd venture to suggest there were quite a few of the members of this list who were in the same category as me. The impression I have is that there aren't all that many of the 600 list members who'd say they were fully conversant with all the techniques advocated by this group. Don't regard the response as lack of interest. Call it lack of expertise on the part of the list members with techniques that while familiar to you, are new and revolutionary to most of the web development world. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
