Re: [9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

[Pavel Klinkovský]

Sorry, I was not precise enough.
I prepared arrays in the initiated data segment:


This program cannot be compiled:

#include 
#include 

uintptr frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
uintptr scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};

void main(void) {
exits(nil);
}

...because of:

cpu% 5c t.c
t.c:5 initializer is not a constant: scnd


This program can be compiled:

#include 
#include 

void* frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
void* scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};

void main(void) {
exits(nil);
}

Pavel

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

genoeg is genoeg
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Keith Gibbs]

> On 25. Jan 2022, at 9.23, adr  wrote:
> 
> Just for curiosity, in what thread people has been harassed here
> for race, sexual orientation, disablility or whatever you want to
> add to the list social champion?
> 

Perhaps when you said, quote, "I think you are not bipolar, you are just 
another piece of Mr. Hankey.” 

That is an instance that comes to mind. You literally telling a kind, creative 
person who is manages his own mental health/neurodivergence (and is open about 
it), that is he not in fact bipolar, but is instead a talking piece of faeces.

I think we have a kinder space than that here, rather, I think we *should* have 
a kinder space than this.

-pixelheresy
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

@adr +10
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[adr]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Lucio De Re wrote:


Microftiv deserves the same kind of respect as Nemo and I think - he
can correct me in private if I'm mistaken, I'll publish the correction
if requested to - the former meant to express that respect, but his
subconscious nabbed him.

I also feel the pressure of wanting to work with like minded people,
it's a strong emotional challenge and isn't exactly unjustified. In
fact, this mailing list comes closest to my comfort zone precisely
because Plan 9 is a choice, not a fashionable one.

One could be even more materialistic, but that's not necessary, just
accept that Microftiv was being defensive, without realising he verged
beyond the offensive.

As for everyone else needing to voice an opinion - including myself -
what is your excuse for insulting people of whom you know only one
facet of their personality?

Lucio.


Insulting people... First this moron that is polluting the mailing
list with his stupid bot. It can be funny to you now, wait some
time when you'll try to search the archives.

Then this person starts with this social justice hunting crap,
attributing political views to a plan9 contributor because "maybe
I have heard secondhand..." and then trying to censor his book
"[...]support oppression[...]", the most complete introductory book
to plan9 (language faults apart) that exists nowadays. For those
who don't know, he wrote also an extensive commentary to the Plan
9 source code following John Lions' style, there is nothing like
that anywhere else.

And now he is a victim.

And all the trolling around... give me a break.

I don't know J. Ballesteros. I don't know what are his political
views. I don't bloody care. This is not a twitter morons'
group.

Just for curiosity, in what thread people has been harassed here
for race, sexual orientation, disablility or whatever you want to
add to the list social champion?

A decade ago this list was still a pleasant space, with the typical
well known trolls vomiting now and then, yes, but still full of
knowledge and good spirits.

I don't think there is a point to be subscribed to what is left of
9fans anymore.

Sorry Rux Cox, last reply.

Bye.

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy

[Lucio De Re]

Microftiv deserves the same kind of respect as Nemo and I think - he
can correct me in private if I'm mistaken, I'll publish the correction
if requested to - the former meant to express that respect, but his
subconscious nabbed him.

I also feel the pressure of wanting to work with like minded people,
it's a strong emotional challenge and isn't exactly unjustified. In
fact, this mailing list comes closest to my comfort zone precisely
because Plan 9 is a choice, not a fashionable one.

One could be even more materialistic, but that's not necessary, just
accept that Microftiv was being defensive, without realising he verged
beyond the offensive.

As for everyone else needing to voice an opinion - including myself -
what is your excuse for insulting people of whom you know only one
facet of their personality?

Lucio.

On 1/25/22, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> adr, you seem overly invested only judging from the amount of text,
> where you counter politics, with more politics, and shitty extremely
> uninformed rhetorics.
>
> contrary to your claims, mycroftiv has always stood by his opinions
> (which often differed from mine) and always backed everything up with
> good reason. his reasoning is actually sound.
>
> mycroftiv has been keeping on dialog for a long time, for everybody
> who was actually interested.
>
> he is also presenting this opinion in some rare emails to bigger
> public like 9fans. i think this is meant to be an invitation for
> further discourse, as it's never quite overwhelming, not like the
> constant flooding of shitty bots on this list.
>
> it's also quite believable that he is *overly* concerned about the
> reaction on here, which might make it very hard to say anything at all
> (unlike me who doesn't care about my appearance anywhere). by contrast
> of our very unalike personalities i seem to relate, much better than
> you can, with what is nearly my opposite.
>
> maybe what you (cowardly) are trying to express is that mycroftiv is a
> troll? well i might be, he certainly is not. there is never any
> *trickery* in his arguments. not much *playing around* with people.
> don't mistake openness, and possible illnesses, with trolling, or markov
> chains.
>
> On 1/24/22, adr  wrote:
>> People has different points of view about how sociaty is organized.
>> This can change with time along the way of ones life, sometimes
>> not. The only way you can promote ideas you think are best for the
>> future is through dialog, engaging _all_ different kinds of people
>> in the conversation.
>>
>> There is a trend now which has came up thanks to the application
>> of technology to the most stupid behavior of people in general,
>> the so called social media. This allows people who doesn't do really
>> anything for anyone to pretend to others and themselves that they
>> are some kind of brave justice warriors, but acting in the most
>> cowardly way, twisting words getting them out of context, making
>> up _rules_ so they can justify attacks and insults to the next poor
>> bastard. Yes, the next because there is going to be another one,
>> always.
>>
>> Witnessing this on this mailing list makes me sick.
>>
>> One thing I like of old school computer science mailing list is
>> that complete different people engage in conversations and work
>> together no matter what political views these people have. There
>> is room for some healthy discussion on these matters, and normally
>> it ends by itself when boundaries are crossed. I've seen this
>> discussions in other lists, and always -when no child(mental) are
>> involved- there is an effort to keep a friendly atmosphere at the
>> end.
>>
>> I've read the books of Ballesteros. Yes, say the name you coward.
>> The only thing I can say about them is that they need a revision
>> to a most correct English. Is not easy when you are not a native
>> speaker. I can notice it when I read it, but I can make the same
>> mistakes in this very same mail I'm writing.
>>
>> Maybe some native speaker could help on this.
>>
>> "support oppression"
>> "maybe I have heard secondhand"
>> "fight against right wing ideas"
>>
>> You see, I don't know you, either Ballesteros, and maybe I would
>> agree more with the ideas you could _recite_ over a cup of coffee,
>> but I'm pretty sure a conversation with Ballesteros (whatever ideas
>> he has) would be more exiting and productive.
>>
>> This "Tell me only what I want to hear, or we'll ban you" crap...
>>
>> I think you are not bipolar, you are just another piece of Mr. Hankey.
>>
>> This list is becoming a South Park Christmas special...
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IMpq_pCvo
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:12:10 -0600
>>> From: mycroftiv 9gridchan 
>>> Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
>>> To: 9fans@9fans.net
>>> Subject: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation
>>>
>>> Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
>>> Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
>>> 

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

censorship, very heroistic :-D :-(
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[hiro]

i reported your mail to the admin, too.

On 1/25/22, adr  wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, hiro wrote:
>
>> adr, you seem overly invested only judging from the amount of text,
>> where you counter politics, with more politics, and shitty extremely
>> uninformed rhetorics.
> 
> Can you at least respect the administrator of the list and wait to
> another threat to troll as usual?

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[adr]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, hiro wrote:


adr, you seem overly invested only judging from the amount of text,
where you counter politics, with more politics, and shitty extremely
uninformed rhetorics.


Can you at least respect the administrator of the list and wait to
another threat to troll as usual?

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy

[hiro]

adr, you seem overly invested only judging from the amount of text,
where you counter politics, with more politics, and shitty extremely
uninformed rhetorics.

contrary to your claims, mycroftiv has always stood by his opinions
(which often differed from mine) and always backed everything up with
good reason. his reasoning is actually sound.

mycroftiv has been keeping on dialog for a long time, for everybody
who was actually interested.

he is also presenting this opinion in some rare emails to bigger
public like 9fans. i think this is meant to be an invitation for
further discourse, as it's never quite overwhelming, not like the
constant flooding of shitty bots on this list.

it's also quite believable that he is *overly* concerned about the
reaction on here, which might make it very hard to say anything at all
(unlike me who doesn't care about my appearance anywhere). by contrast
of our very unalike personalities i seem to relate, much better than
you can, with what is nearly my opposite.

maybe what you (cowardly) are trying to express is that mycroftiv is a
troll? well i might be, he certainly is not. there is never any
*trickery* in his arguments. not much *playing around* with people.
don't mistake openness, and possible illnesses, with trolling, or markov chains.

On 1/24/22, adr  wrote:
> People has different points of view about how sociaty is organized.
> This can change with time along the way of ones life, sometimes
> not. The only way you can promote ideas you think are best for the
> future is through dialog, engaging _all_ different kinds of people
> in the conversation.
>
> There is a trend now which has came up thanks to the application
> of technology to the most stupid behavior of people in general,
> the so called social media. This allows people who doesn't do really
> anything for anyone to pretend to others and themselves that they
> are some kind of brave justice warriors, but acting in the most
> cowardly way, twisting words getting them out of context, making
> up _rules_ so they can justify attacks and insults to the next poor
> bastard. Yes, the next because there is going to be another one,
> always.
>
> Witnessing this on this mailing list makes me sick.
>
> One thing I like of old school computer science mailing list is
> that complete different people engage in conversations and work
> together no matter what political views these people have. There
> is room for some healthy discussion on these matters, and normally
> it ends by itself when boundaries are crossed. I've seen this
> discussions in other lists, and always -when no child(mental) are
> involved- there is an effort to keep a friendly atmosphere at the
> end.
>
> I've read the books of Ballesteros. Yes, say the name you coward.
> The only thing I can say about them is that they need a revision
> to a most correct English. Is not easy when you are not a native
> speaker. I can notice it when I read it, but I can make the same
> mistakes in this very same mail I'm writing.
>
> Maybe some native speaker could help on this.
>
> "support oppression"
> "maybe I have heard secondhand"
> "fight against right wing ideas"
>
> You see, I don't know you, either Ballesteros, and maybe I would
> agree more with the ideas you could _recite_ over a cup of coffee,
> but I'm pretty sure a conversation with Ballesteros (whatever ideas
> he has) would be more exiting and productive.
>
> This "Tell me only what I want to hear, or we'll ban you" crap...
>
> I think you are not bipolar, you are just another piece of Mr. Hankey.
>
> This list is becoming a South Park Christmas special...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IMpq_pCvo
>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:12:10 -0600
>> From: mycroftiv 9gridchan 
>> Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
>> To: 9fans@9fans.net
>> Subject: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation
>>
>> Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
>> Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
>> book has political views that are not cool and support oppression
>> maybe I have heard secondhand.
>> We need a better book to introduce people to 9.
>> I'd like to see something created that talks about all forms of 9 and
>> of the ANTS variant especially since if im bipolar and spending my
>> money to try to help plan 9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my
>> stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas.
>> The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
>> humans requires good information resources and support.
>> The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
>> offers a bounty from me personally of at least $200 for producing this
>> content. The name is an obvious namespace pun. We want to work in a
>> friendly way with everyone but we also want good stuff and peace and
>> support for minority trans disabled mentally wacked out
>> counterculture.
>>
>> Peace and love and lets make Plan 9 amazing and full of 

Re: [9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

[Skip Tavakkolian]

maybe a previous fix was not applied?

there is a slight difference in the error messages
between the address of zeroth element vs first element
(see line 9 vs 10 errors below).  regardless, it's working
as expected on vanilla Plan 9:

% cat addrgames.c
#include 
#include 

void
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
#ifdef USEUINTPTR
uintptr frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
uintptr scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};
uintptr thrd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [0]};
#else
void* frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
void* scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};
void* thrd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [0]};
#endif
exits("");
}
% 8c addrgames.c
% 5c addrgames.c
% vc addrgames.c
% 6c addrgames.c
% 5c -D USEUINTPTR addrgames.c
addrgames.c:8 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:8 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:8 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:8 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:8 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:9 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:9 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:9 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND ULONG" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:9 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND ULONG" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:10 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
addrgames.c:10 incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND VOID" for op "AS"
too many errors

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 8:51 AM Pavel Klinkovský
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I tried some artificial example for Plan9 compiler (5c)...
>
> This code is compiled without any problem:
> uintptr frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
> uintptr scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [0]};
>
> But this one fails:
> uintptr frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
> uintptr scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};
>
> ...with message:
> cpu% 5c -p t.c
> /usr/pavel/t.c:16[t.c:888] initializer is not a constant: scnd
>
> OTOH, replacement of 'uintptr' by 'void*' is compiled without any problem:
> void* frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
> void* scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};
>
> Any explanation is appreciated.
>
> Pavel
>
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Russ Cox]

This thread has stopped being respectful and productive. Let's stop here.
Thanks.

Best,
Russ

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Marshall Conover]

Hi mycroftiv!

I'd be happy to lend some support and at least match your bounty. There's a
lot to explore in the 9 universe beyond what has been covered so far, and I
think the work you've done with ants and grid has been fantastic - and
shows your dedication to growing the ecosystem and welcoming new people.

For those who haven't, I'd recommend trying out the grid. It's connectable
from any 9 system, instructions are here:
http://wiki.9gridchan.org/Connecting/index.html
For those who would like to check out the grid's discussion but run linux
like myself, Sigrid created a client '9gc' that's able to access the
gridchat. It's here: https://git.sr.ht/~ft/9pro

I've found the community to be welcoming, helpful, knowledgeable - and,
unlike my lurker self, very active.

Thank you mycroftiv,

Marshall
a_mistake


On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 06:14 mycroftiv 9gridchan <
mycrof...@sphericalharmony.com> wrote:

> Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
> Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
> book has political views that are not cool and support oppression
> maybe I have heard secondhand.
> We need a better book to introduce people to 9.
> I'd like to see something created that talks about all forms of 9 and
> of the ANTS variant especially since if im bipolar and spending my
> money to try to help plan 9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my
> stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas.
> The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
> humans requires good information resources and support.
> The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
> offers a bounty from me personally of at least $200 for producing this
> content. The name is an obvious namespace pun. We want to work in a
> friendly way with everyone but we also want good stuff and peace and
> support for minority trans disabled mentally wacked out
> counterculture.
> 
> Peace and love and lets make Plan 9 amazing and full of rainbow love,
> JenBen

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Re: [9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

[Alexandr Babic]

hi.

i inluded them too, but had that error with uintptr.
i tried it with 6c, 5c and had same result.

(9front installation of plan9)

a.b.



24. ledna 2022 20:49:30 SEČ, "Pavel Klinkovský"  
napsal:
>> what headers you've included?
>>
>
>As usually:
>
>#include 
>#include 
>
>
>with uintptr i get compilation error: incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND
>> VOID" for op AS.
>> with void* it compiles without errors.
>>
>> alex.b.
>>
>> ps: are you czech?
>>
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Pavel

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Re: [9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

[Pavel Klinkovský]

> what headers you've included?
>

As usually:

#include 
#include 


with uintptr i get compilation error: incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND
> VOID" for op AS.
> with void* it compiles without errors.
>
> alex.b.
>
> ps: are you czech?
>

Yes.

Pavel

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Re: [9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

[Alexandr Babic]

hello.

what headers you've included?
with uintptr i get compilation error: incompatible types: "ULONG" and "IND 
VOID" for op AS.
with void* it compiles without errors.

alex.b.

ps: are you czech?


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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Keith Gibbs]

Oh no. Someone doesn’t like Intro to OS abstractions! Someone on the internet 
has an opinion about someone that you may not agree with!

*clutches pearls* *swoons*

You are an adult, right? You can understand people have different opinions and 
motivations. He and others don’t like Mr. Ballesteros’ position. Others happy 
to “death of the author” 9intro and appreciate the work as a text. Others don’t 
care.

Even if you don’t agree with his motivations, I think we do need efforts for 
additional documentation, monograph-length books, and introductory material. 
We, as a point of fact, have a diverse community.

Whether is it specifically about ANTS [which is a very cool project, but 
perhaps a more limited circle than necessary], documentation and enabling new 
people to discover and graduate CS students to continue working on projects 
exploring the Plan 9 system is kind of a good thing. We don’t just need one 
book. We can have lots of books.

-pixelheresy

> On 24. Jan 2022, at 20.33, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
> 
> keith, nice analysis, but what would you think about original post:
> 
> >>Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions' book has 
> >>political views that are not cool and support oppression maybe I have heard 
> >>secondhand.
> 
> this insult to author of 'intro to OS abstractions' is worse than all 
> vulgarities in this thread :-(
> 
> this link is the 'intro to os abstractions' book 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==2ahUKEwjyxsD-gcv1AhWDsKQKHYgFBloQFnoECAUQAQ=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.cat-v.org%2Fplan_9%2F9.intro.pdf=AOvVaw3V31IcFr5AdwkH5d_JXrVu
>  
> 
> 
> a.b.
> 
> 9fans  / 9fans / see discussions 
>  + participants 
>  + delivery options 
> Permalink 
> 

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Re: Re[2]: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Eli Cohen]

maybe a more recent book could be a community effort at least a bit, I
would be interested in contributing to such a project.

as for nemo... I have no idea who he is really, but that book is pretty
good, although very specific to the setup in his lab

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 10:34 AM Alexandr Babic  wrote:

> keith, nice analysis, but what would you think about original post:
>
> >>Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions' book
> has political views that are not cool and support oppression maybe I have
> heard secondhand.
>
> this insult to author of 'intro to OS abstractions' is worse than all
> vulgarities in this thread :-(
>
> this link is the 'intro to os abstractions' book
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==2ahUKEwjyxsD-gcv1AhWDsKQKHYgFBloQFnoECAUQAQ=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.cat-v.org%2Fplan_9%2F9.intro.pdf=AOvVaw3V31IcFr5AdwkH5d_JXrVu
>
> a.b.
>
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Re[2]: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

keith, nice analysis, but what would you think about original post:


>>Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions' book has 
>>political views that are not cool and support oppression maybe I have heard 
>>secondhand.

this insult to author of 'intro to OS abstractions' is worse than all 
vulgarities in this thread :-(

this link is the 'intro to os abstractions' book 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web==2ahUKEwjyxsD-gcv1AhWDsKQKHYgFBloQFnoECAUQAQ=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.cat-v.org%2Fplan_9%2F9.intro.pdf=AOvVaw3V31IcFr5AdwkH5d_JXrVu


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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Keith Gibbs]

+1 

Instead of responding to an idea that would potentially benefit the whole of 
the community, several people got *personally offended* about the fact that the 
original author wanted to make sure that the effort was inclusive [as there 
*are* LGBTQ+, differently abled, and neurodivergent developers in this 
community]. 

Mr. Babic: “Snowflake" has long changed from being a reference to the 
stereotype of over-sensitive liberals, but has become more apropos for 
conservative types who lose their mind and become verbally abusive [“garbage”, 
“Fuck you”, “9f*gs”], because there is even the most casual reference to 
non-heterosexual, non-cisgendered people *existing*. Which they do, by the way. 
Including in this mailing list.

If that cannot be countenanced without abuse, I guess you and Mr. Normandin are 
in the wrong place. I take personal offence to mycroftiv being called 
“garbage”, as he is a demonstrably valuable member of the Plan 9 community.

-pixelheresy

> On 24. Jan 2022, at 20.02, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote:
 I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
 for my taste.
>>> If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
>>> safe space, snowflake.
>> 
>> khm, you are using snowflake here in wrong context :-(
>> 
>> first letter from original author was snowflakish,
>> there's no need to use words like "not cool political views, support 
>> oppression, amazing and full of rainbow love"
>> in technical forum.
>> 
>> document "intro to OS abstractions" is great and  i don't what are political 
>> views of author.
>> so tell me who is a snowflake now :-D
> 
> definitely you.  Someone wants to write a book about a technical topic,
> and all you and that other idiot can talk about are the motivations,
> because you are intellectually incapable of contributing to technical
>   work.
> 
> If you don't want to or are incapable of helping with the book, just
> archive/delete the email and move on, instead of pissing and moaning
> about the rest.
> 
> I swear, you snowflakes are the most entitled people.  Not only does
> everyone have to talk about what YOU want to talk about, but they cannot
> deviate from the topic EVEN SLIGHTLY or you start cramping up.  Get a
> life.
> 
> khm

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Lucas Francesco]

khm is absolutely right, some of you are entirely missing the point.
If you REALLY want 9fans to be about "no politics"  y'all shall
discuss what should be done or should be avoided in a new book, what
other books got wrong and maybe if theres something to save about the
one op is paying to substitute, maybe then you'll stop being a
dretiment noise on the ML and help the next introduction of a nice
book.

this "no politics discussion" is bullshit btw, 9fans has always been a
politics mess, plan9-adjacent communities conflicting, some not
getting the respect they deserve and whatnot

I don't care if some of the bigots in here are internalising the fact
that the OP is paying up for other people to literally write a
technical book due to reasons that currently affect the wellbeing of a
lot of contributors of some of those 9 projects, the fact is:
mycroftiv is paying for a technical book about 9, don't care about the
political motivations? don't discuss that aspect. Better plan9
material is good even for you "snowflakes".

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 15:08, Jeremy Jackins  wrote:
> > Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into 
> > fucking cesspools.
>
> The lack of self awareness is just stunning.
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 10:03, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote:
>> > >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking 
>> > >> bizarro for my taste.
>> > > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
>> > > safe space, snowflake.
>> >
>> > khm, you are using snowflake here in wrong context :-(
>> >
>> > first letter from original author was snowflakish,
>> > there's no need to use words like "not cool political views, support 
>> > oppression, amazing and full of rainbow love"
>> > in technical forum.
>> >
>> > document "intro to OS abstractions" is great and  i don't what are 
>> > political views of author.
>> > so tell me who is a snowflake now :-D
>> 
>> definitely you.  Someone wants to write a book about a technical topic,
>> and all you and that other idiot can talk about are the motivations,
>> because you are intellectually incapable of contributing to technical
>> work.
>> 
>> If you don't want to or are incapable of helping with the book, just
>> archive/delete the email and move on, instead of pissing and moaning
>> about the rest.
>> 
>> I swear, you snowflakes are the most entitled people.  Not only does
>> everyone have to talk about what YOU want to talk about, but they cannot
>> deviate from the topic EVEN SLIGHTLY or you start cramping up.  Get a
>> life.
>> 
>> khm
>
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundationy

[adr]

People has different points of view about how sociaty is organized.
This can change with time along the way of ones life, sometimes
not. The only way you can promote ideas you think are best for the
future is through dialog, engaging _all_ different kinds of people
in the conversation.

There is a trend now which has came up thanks to the application
of technology to the most stupid behavior of people in general,
the so called social media. This allows people who doesn't do really
anything for anyone to pretend to others and themselves that they
are some kind of brave justice warriors, but acting in the most
cowardly way, twisting words getting them out of context, making
up _rules_ so they can justify attacks and insults to the next poor
bastard. Yes, the next because there is going to be another one,
always.

Witnessing this on this mailing list makes me sick.

One thing I like of old school computer science mailing list is
that complete different people engage in conversations and work
together no matter what political views these people have. There
is room for some healthy discussion on these matters, and normally
it ends by itself when boundaries are crossed. I've seen this
discussions in other lists, and always -when no child(mental) are
involved- there is an effort to keep a friendly atmosphere at the
end.

I've read the books of Ballesteros. Yes, say the name you coward.
The only thing I can say about them is that they need a revision
to a most correct English. Is not easy when you are not a native
speaker. I can notice it when I read it, but I can make the same
mistakes in this very same mail I'm writing.

Maybe some native speaker could help on this.

"support oppression"
"maybe I have heard secondhand"
"fight against right wing ideas"

You see, I don't know you, either Ballesteros, and maybe I would
agree more with the ideas you could _recite_ over a cup of coffee,
but I'm pretty sure a conversation with Ballesteros (whatever ideas
he has) would be more exiting and productive.

This "Tell me only what I want to hear, or we'll ban you" crap...

I think you are not bipolar, you are just another piece of Mr. Hankey.

This list is becoming a South Park Christmas special...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IMpq_pCvo


Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 05:12:10 -0600
From: mycroftiv 9gridchan 
Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
book has political views that are not cool and support oppression
maybe I have heard secondhand.
We need a better book to introduce people to 9.
I'd like to see something created that talks about all forms of 9 and
of the ANTS variant especially since if im bipolar and spending my
money to try to help plan 9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my
stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas.
The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
humans requires good information resources and support.
The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
offers a bounty from me personally of at least $200 for producing this
content. The name is an obvious namespace pun. We want to work in a
friendly way with everyone but we also want good stuff and peace and
support for minority trans disabled mentally wacked out
counterculture.

Peace and love and lets make Plan 9 amazing and full of rainbow love,
JenBen


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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Jeremy Jackins]

> Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into
fucking cesspools.

The lack of self awareness is just stunning.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 10:03, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote:
> > >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking
> bizarro for my taste.
> > > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
> > > safe space, snowflake.
> >
> > khm, you are using snowflake here in wrong context :-(
> >
> > first letter from original author was snowflakish,
> > there's no need to use words like "not cool political views, support
> oppression, amazing and full of rainbow love"
> > in technical forum.
> >
> > document "intro to OS abstractions" is great and  i don't what are
> political views of author.
> > so tell me who is a snowflake now :-D
> 
> definitely you.  Someone wants to write a book about a technical topic,
> and all you and that other idiot can talk about are the motivations,
> because you are intellectually incapable of contributing to technical
> work.
> 
> If you don't want to or are incapable of helping with the book, just
> archive/delete the email and move on, instead of pissing and moaning
> about the rest.
> 
> I swear, you snowflakes are the most entitled people.  Not only does
> everyone have to talk about what YOU want to talk about, but they cannot
> deviate from the topic EVEN SLIGHTLY or you start cramping up.  Get a
> life.
> 
> khm

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Thaddeus Woskowiak]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 1:06 PM Thaddeus Woskowiak 
wrote:

> All of you throwing around curse words and other defamation should be
> ashamed of yourselves. You want peace yet you cast the first stones. Grow
> up.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 12:58 PM Clout Tolstoy 
> wrote:
>
>> Can we be mindful of posting useful information? The original author,
>> albeit has an opinion, but also offered resources for work. I would put
>> that on the useful side of things. Simply lamenting an opinion because it
>> doesn't align with yours is edging on spamming. They have been forward with
>> themselves and are looking for like minded people to work with. I suppose
>> half of you all are doing them a favor by opting out.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:55 AM Pablo Tesari 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> did I subscribe to 9fags ? 樂
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 14:51, Duke Normandin  wrote:
>>>
 Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues
 into fucking cesspools.

 > On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
 wrote:
 >
 > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
 >>
 >>
  On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
 
  hello.
 
  please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political
 opinion, but
  discuss it elsewhere.
  sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when
 talking
  about computers :-) :-)
 
  thanx, a.b.
 >>
 >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking
 bizarro for my taste.
 >
 > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you
 a
 > safe space, snowflake.
 >
 > khm
>>> *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Thaddeus Woskowiak]

All of you throwing around curse words and other defamation should be
ashamed of yourselves. You want peace yet you cast the first stones. Grow
up.


On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 12:58 PM Clout Tolstoy  wrote:

> Can we be mindful of posting useful information? The original author,
> albeit has an opinion, but also offered resources for work. I would put
> that on the useful side of things. Simply lamenting an opinion because it
> doesn't align with yours is edging on spamming. They have been forward with
> themselves and are looking for like minded people to work with. I suppose
> half of you all are doing them a favor by opting out.
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:55 AM Pablo Tesari 
> wrote:
>
>> did I subscribe to 9fags ? 樂
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 14:51, Duke Normandin  wrote:
>>
>>> Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues
>>> into fucking cesspools.
>>>
>>> > On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>  On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  hello.
>>> 
>>>  please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political
>>> opinion, but
>>>  discuss it elsewhere.
>>>  sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when
>>> talking
>>>  about computers :-) :-)
>>> 
>>>  thanx, a.b.
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking
>>> bizarro for my taste.
>>> >
>>> > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
>>> > safe space, snowflake.
>>> >
>>> > khm
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Kurt H Maier via 9fans]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote:
> >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
> >> for my taste.
> > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
> > safe space, snowflake.
> 
> khm, you are using snowflake here in wrong context :-(
> 
> first letter from original author was snowflakish,
> there's no need to use words like "not cool political views, support 
> oppression, amazing and full of rainbow love"
> in technical forum.
> 
> document "intro to OS abstractions" is great and  i don't what are political 
> views of author.
> so tell me who is a snowflake now :-D

definitely you.  Someone wants to write a book about a technical topic,
and all you and that other idiot can talk about are the motivations,
because you are intellectually incapable of contributing to technical
work.  

If you don't want to or are incapable of helping with the book, just
archive/delete the email and move on, instead of pissing and moaning
about the rest.

I swear, you snowflakes are the most entitled people.  Not only does
everyone have to talk about what YOU want to talk about, but they cannot
deviate from the topic EVEN SLIGHTLY or you start cramping up.  Get a
life.

khm

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Clout Tolstoy]

Can we be mindful of posting useful information? The original author,
albeit has an opinion, but also offered resources for work. I would put
that on the useful side of things. Simply lamenting an opinion because it
doesn't align with yours is edging on spamming. They have been forward with
themselves and are looking for like minded people to work with. I suppose
half of you all are doing them a favor by opting out.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:55 AM Pablo Tesari  wrote:

> did I subscribe to 9fags ? 樂
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 14:51, Duke Normandin  wrote:
>
>> Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into
>> fucking cesspools.
>>
>> > On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>>  On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
>> 
>>  hello.
>> 
>>  please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political
>> opinion, but
>>  discuss it elsewhere.
>>  sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when
>> talking
>>  about computers :-) :-)
>> 
>>  thanx, a.b.
>> >>
>> >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking
>> bizarro for my taste.
>> >
>> > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
>> > safe space, snowflake.
>> >
>> > khm
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Re[2]: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

>> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
>> for my taste.
> If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
> safe space, snowflake.

khm, you are using snowflake here in wrong context :-(

first letter from original author was snowflakish,
there's no need to use words like "not cool political views, support 
oppression, amazing and full of rainbow love"
in technical forum.

document "intro to OS abstractions" is great and  i don't what are political 
views of author.
so tell me who is a snowflake now :-D



a.b.

ps: let's end this and let's answer the problem with uintptr in another thread 
:-)




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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Pablo Tesari]

did I subscribe to 9fags ? 樂

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 14:51, Duke Normandin  wrote:

> Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into
> fucking cesspools.
>
> > On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
> >>
> >>
>  On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
> 
>  hello.
> 
>  please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political
> opinion, but
>  discuss it elsewhere.
>  sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when
> talking
>  about computers :-) :-)
> 
>  thanx, a.b.
> >>
> >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking
> bizarro for my taste.
> >
> > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
> > safe space, snowflake.
> >
> > khm

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Duke Normandin]

Fuck you asshole!  It’s garbage like you that morphs pleasant venues into 
fucking cesspools.

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:42 AM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
 
 hello.
 
 please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
 discuss it elsewhere.
 sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
 about computers :-) :-)
 
 thanx, a.b.
>> 
>> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
>> for my taste. 
>> 
> 
> If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
> safe space, snowflake.
> 
> khm

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Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm

[Duke Normandin]

Wondering the same thing! Good to know - thx. 

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 10:01 AM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote:
> 
> sdvirtio handles both block and scsi type devices.
> 
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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Kurt H Maier via 9fans]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
> 
> 
> >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
> >> 
> >> hello.
> >> 
> >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
> >> discuss it elsewhere.
> >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
> >> about computers :-) :-)
> >> 
> >> thanx, a.b.
> 
> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
> for my taste. 
> 

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a
safe space, snowflake.

khm

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Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm

[cinap_lenrek]

sdvirtio handles both block and scsi type devices.

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[9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

[Pavel Klinkovský]

Hi all,

I tried some artificial example for Plan9 compiler (5c)...

This code is compiled without any problem:
uintptr frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
uintptr scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [0]};

But this one fails:
uintptr frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
uintptr scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};

...with message:
cpu% 5c -p t.c
/usr/pavel/t.c:16[t.c:888] initializer is not a constant: scnd

OTOH, replacement of 'uintptr' by 'void*' is compiled without any problem:
void* frst[] = {nil, nil, nil, nil, nil};
void* scnd[] = {nil, nil, frst, [1]};

Any explanation is appreciated.

Pavel

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Duke Normandin]

Maybe so! However it’s all the other bullshit that this list and Plan 9 doesn’t 
need. 

Too many opinions! Remember! Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. 
And you know what comes out of both more often than not!

Let’s play with Plan 9 and friends and keep the bizarro bullshit at home. 

> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:44 AM, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:38 PM Duke Normandin  wrote:
 On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
 
 hello.
 
 please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
 discuss it elsewhere.
 sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
 about computers :-) :-)
 
 thanx, a.b.
>> 
>> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
>> for my taste.
>> 
>> Is there a bloody moderator here that not “tripping” most of the time?
>> 
>> Let’s get the garbage off this frigging list and get down to the business of 
>> using/improving Plan 9 and friends.
> 
> The author suggested writing a book on Plan 9 and the potential author
> getting paid for doing so. That would certainly improve the situation,
> in my opinion.

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:38 PM Duke Normandin  wrote:
> >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
> >>
> >> hello.
> >>
> >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
> >> discuss it elsewhere.
> >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
> >> about computers :-) :-)
> >>
> >> thanx, a.b.
>
> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro 
> for my taste.
>
> Is there a bloody moderator here that not “tripping” most of the time?
>
> Let’s get the garbage off this frigging list and get down to the business of 
> using/improving Plan 9 and friends.

The author suggested writing a book on Plan 9 and the potential author
getting paid for doing so. That would certainly improve the situation,
in my opinion.

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Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm

[B. Atticus Grobe]

David,
How do your drivers handle a virtio-based CD-ROM?
qemu by default uses IDE, or can be configured to use SATA CD-ROM devices, 
however, OpenBSD's vmd(8) strictly uses a virtio-based CD-ROM.

I don't know how the interactions end up differing between hard drive and 
CD-ROM access in that case, but its something to look at if you weren't aware 
of it.

>From OpenBSD 6.9 booted using vmd(8) on OpenBSD 7.0.

OpenBSD 6.9 (GENERIC) #464: Mon Apr 19 10:28:56 MDT 2021
...
virtio3 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 "Qumranet Virtio SCSI" rev 0x00
vioscsi0 at virtio3: qsize 128
scsibus2 at vioscsi0: 1 targets
cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0:  removable
virtio3: irq 7

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

back to C and 9 :-)
shouldn't we write:
int i=0; ++i;

instead of +1

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Federico Benavento]

> On 24 Jan 2022, at 09:45, Steve Simon  wrote:
> 
> i suggest first you check your facts carefully before publicly accusing 
> anyone of anything.
> 
> throwing unchecked accusations around is a good way to start an angry mob, 
> and we all know how inclusive those tend to be.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> 

+1

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benave...@gmail.com

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Steve Simon]

i suggest first you check your facts carefully before publicly accusing anyone 
of anything.

throwing unchecked accusations around is a good way to start an angry mob, and 
we all know how inclusive those tend to be.

-Steve



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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Duke Normandin]

>> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
>> 
>> hello.
>> 
>> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
>> discuss it elsewhere.
>> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
>> about computers :-) :-)
>> 
>> thanx, a.b.

I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro for 
my taste. 

Is there a bloody moderator here that not “tripping” most of the time?

Let’s get the garbage off this frigging list and get down to the business of 
using/improving Plan 9 and friends. 

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[hiro]

it wouldn't be called *poli*tics if it was just "everyone own's", just fyi.

On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic  wrote:
> 
> hello.
> 
> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but
> discuss it elsewhere.
> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking
> about computers :-) :-)
> 
> thanx, a.b.
> 
> - Původní zpráva -
> Odesilatel: mycroftiv 9gridchan (mycrof...@sphericalharmony.com)
> Datum: 01/24/22 12:14
> Příjemce: 9fans@9fans.net
> Předmět: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation
> 
> Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
> Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
> book has political views that are not cool and support oppression
> maybe I have heard secondhand.
> We need a better book to introduce people to 9.
> I'd like to see something created that talks about all forms of 9 and
> of the ANTS variant especially since if im bipolar and spending my
> money to try to help plan 9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my
> stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas.
> The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
> humans requires good information resources and support.
> The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
> offers a bounty from me personally of at least $200 for producing this
> content. The name is an obvious namespace pun. We want to work in a
> friendly way with everyone but we also want good stuff and peace and
> support for minority trans disabled mentally wacked out
> counterculture.
> 
> Peace and love and lets make Plan 9 amazing and full of rainbow love,
> JenBen
> 

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Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[Alexandr Babic]

hello.

please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but 
discuss it elsewhere.
sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpiler" word when talking 
about computers :-) :-)

thanx, a.b.
 

 
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Datum: 01/24/22 12:14
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Předmět: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
book has political views that are not cool and support oppression
maybe I have heard secondhand.
We need a better book to introduce people to 9.
I'd like to see something created that talks about all forms of 9 and
of the ANTS variant especially since if im bipolar and spending my
money to try to help plan 9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my
stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas.
The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
humans requires good information resources and support.
The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
offers a bounty from me personally of at least $200 for producing this
content. The name is an obvious namespace pun. We want to work in a
friendly way with everyone but we also want good stuff and peace and
support for minority trans disabled mentally wacked out
counterculture.

Peace and love and lets make Plan 9 amazing and full of rainbow love,
JenBen


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[9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

[mycroftiv 9gridchan]

Hi 9fans, Got some new ideas im excited about right now.
Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions'
book has political views that are not cool and support oppression
maybe I have heard secondhand.
We need a better book to introduce people to 9.
I'd like to see something created that talks about all forms of 9 and
of the ANTS variant especially since if im bipolar and spending my
money to try to help plan 9, im obviously also gonna be hyping my
stuff along with trying to fight against right wing ideas.
The cause to make plan 9 an accepting welcoming community for all
humans requires good information resources and support.
The funny-named organization I just thought up, The Flan 9 Poundation,
offers a bounty from me personally of at least $200 for producing this
content. The name is an obvious namespace pun. We want to work in a
friendly way with everyone but we also want good stuff and peace and
support for minority trans disabled mentally wacked out
counterculture.

Peace and love and lets make Plan 9 amazing and full of rainbow love,
JenBen

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Re: [9fans] Problems installing 9legacy on bare metal (Thinkpad X60)

[Lucio De Re]

On 1/24/22, adr  wrote:
>
> You are aware that you are talking to the most stupidly writen bot
> in the history of the _I've_no_life_some_one_pay_me_attention_please_
> retards?
>
> There is an episode of South Park when some poor kid get
> all exited because one person makes him a friend on facebook. You
> made some really lonely sad piece of Mr. Hankey happy today.
>
We add happiness where we can, I guess. Machines have a right to the
occasional belly laugh too.

Plus, maybe there are Noddy points one scores against the day AIs come for us?

Lucio :-)

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