Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)
> > What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any comparison between > 9front and 9legacy seems to needle a few members (very few, there are many > names from that community that have not participated, specifically the ones I > know hand have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front community that seem to > take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. I guess that's > permissible, but please mind your manners if you choose to go that route, > this is 9fans and 9front I believe has its own discussion groups. > I offer you the perspective that this happens by rule when obviously wrong or ridicolous claims or demands about / of 9front are made. This is seen to further degrade the already quite degraded perspective it has within parts of the 9fans community. I don't think it is unreasonable for people who have invested a lot of effort into 9front and believe it to be something worthwhile to feel the urgency to defend it, or at the very least talk about it. I do think a bit more courtesy or less bad faith assumptions could be prescribed to certain individuals, and not only on the 9front side. Anyway, I propose such issues are best solved by a fist fight, therefore acknowledging the legacy of dispute resolution methods of our ancestors and fostering a more resilient and vibrant community that thrives on both change and tradition. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-Mb5d3c0ebed77a8c9231bc757 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front
> Installing fossil on 9front is not really difficult. Correct. You only need to grab the source of it from your favorite vendor, place it into right places and build it like any other system program. Here's a script I wrote some years ago to do exactly that: https://hg.sr.ht/~kvik/fossil-up/raw/mkfile?rev=tip I've no idea if it still works as-is and you should probably just do the steps manually anyway. Integrating fossil back into 9front so that it can be installed from a live CD and booted from in its many possible configurations is gonna take more effort and be of dubious value. You're all better off cheering for Ori for his progress on gefs, which might finally let you to store some files on this cursed system and go to sleep. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tde2ca2adda383a3a-M16add7975bb2204637bf08a3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Boot CD chokes
> Thanks, I know that; I was asking where the list comes from since the > one I remembered to be in the old wiki apparently died with it. I pulled most of the articles into a new wiki, including the unix29 lists. No information considered dead. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T5888591114a7cf34-M2b161c3a943035e15333c3e1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Software philosophy
Quoth Lucio De Re : > What seems to be harped upon by the vocal defenders of 9front, > however, is this fictional idea that there is another community, let's > call them "9legacy", that is attempting to subvert 9front's efforts to > gain some kind of recognition in the bigger picture. The core 9front contributors and most everyone else who commented on this situation in 9front's super secret inner circles simply find it socially awkward that 9front isn't mentioned. Some may read more of the signal. Otherwise 9front folks couldn't care less about being recognized by a website. Nothing would change or improve if that happened. The only ones who objectively suffer in the current situation is newcomers who aren't properly informed by a website on the options they have if they want to run a "Plan 9". I personally don't see an issue with 9front and 9legacy continuing to be their own things. Different people have different ideas for what they want to make out of their Plan 9 and sometimes their ideas are simply incompatible. I'd like to see people communicate and exchange ideas and/or code more effectively but this will always remain in the hands of individuals who decide how to socialise and what to work on. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9ef6430f3025e731-Mc4e94b26abc53ada87addb87 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Help with a sam cleanup script
> Just pushed it to https://github.com/iru-/sam9f-unix. It might be > outdated, but I still use it daily. It seems that you imported two months before '^' and '_' got added (in 758496ecaa42b5f6c17c0bd1e0f43189e50e0745). There have been a few other changes very useful for scripting, like the $% and $%dot variables exported to forked procs giving a current file name and selection. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T10b1d559ae7d981e-M35ad586644fb7a38a1960a1a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] recover(4) go rewrite
> I needed recover(4) on windows, I rewrote most if it in go. Where can the original version be found? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T1d7bf3c39e885267-Md508afb3d00a30003d676ee0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation
> It’s all the code that everyone is using. > The issue is that there is some code in Plan 9 not written at > Bell Labs which doesn't explicitly specify any license. What actual code are you reffering to? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M2a2c64f2238532ca910886e8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server
> I can tell if 9front has a fixed version of ndb/dns or not myself Other than the 96 patches to cmd/ndb logged into 9front hg repo there's countless others pertaining to dependencies of the ndb set that might have solved your particular issue. FWIW I've been running ndb/dnstcp on 9front as a primary for a few months, seeing no issues like yours. I know other people who do the same. I'd suggest trying to serve your database from a 9front system, see if it breaks here too. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4e8db4c94a81d90f-M32ffaa9cef9061c441686bf4 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
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Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.
> git/fetch git+ssh://g...@git.ff.co.za:23456/waspa/console.git The port can be specified natively through the dialstring technology: git/fetch git+ssh://git@net!git.ff.co.za!23456/waspa/console.git It may be useful to add support to git9 for translating :port notation to a dialstring; there's no need to change ssh.c. > What is the procedure to submit such (small) changes for inclusion? Attaching a patch to your mail here or directly to Ori will work. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9c456b888b0c38ed-M6f02d4b1f022b1761014b99f Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] /mail/lib/rewrite and net!$smtp
I'd start by making sure $smtp is expanded from the environment or the ndb at all. The error message: translating net!$smtp!smtp: seems to suggest it isn't. Try poking the ndb directly, like so: ndb/query ipnet 9front smtp -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf5f20e4ab86fee91-Mdd6dae55e7871652e75699c8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Gmail vs upas
> unfortunately it doesn't look like anything is being logged Turns out I misremembered where upas/fs logs the failure: ; upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/$gmail upas/fs: opening /imaps/imap.gmail.com/$gmail: imap.gmail.com/imaps:cert for imap.gmail.com not recognized: sha256=3oXL6BEgeiAKLNpIZtBn0GdxDoMdiDRpuS8qX2xm8oM > imap.gmail.com/imaps:tlsClient: tls: local invalid x509/rsa certificate Perhaps retry with a clean /sys/lib/tls/mail. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te20476748ab5e4ba-Mc27240185d2c65d94b80a7c8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Gmail vs upas
Check /sys/log/mail for a fingerprint. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te20476748ab5e4ba-M519efe14ca0b3cb7c3836dee Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Gmail vs upas
Adding the fingerprint will work if you are lucky, once, or maybe twice. In my experience almost every new connection required redoing the above -- which wasn't very fun so I ended up forwarding gmail into a sub-mailbox under my control and haven't looked back. Working with their SMTP has the same problem, FWIW. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te20476748ab5e4ba-M6b0df41e9d09ee6bd4ec03dd Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan9 global product testing.
> I welcome any feedback on the notion After reading your mail I know far less about the "notion" than I did a couple hundred years ago. I'm invested in learning anything at all about the digital product in the future. -- kvik -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td24b3daa0cbe0320-M43b8e44b07d70832be8714e4 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
