Re: [abcusers] mup

2003-10-14 Thread Dave Holland
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 11:13:44PM +0100, Neil Jennings wrote:
 Problem is that the 'independent format' needs to accommodate all
 functionality required from all formats.

To a certain extent; otherwise you end up with a complicated monstrosity
that no-one supports all aspects of anyway.

 I don't think MusicXML fits the bill yet. It doesn't seem to support some of
 the constructs that I need (unless I have missed something).

Well, OK, it only aims to support common Western musical notation
from the 17th century onwards but I'm wondering what you're using that
it doesn't support? The standard is still under active development, so
if you think something's missing, you could lobby to get it added.

Dave

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[abcusers] Re: Tune identification

2003-10-14 Thread DavBarnert
Frank Nordberg wrote:

 Great lyrics, btw. Very poetic ;-)
 Too bad I can't use them. The tune's not really suitable for
 singing at the tempo we're gonna play it in.

Nonsense. We play it at the speed you posted it, and I first
became aware of the words one night when Billy Drislane started
singing them over the ruckus. Of course the 16th notes in the A
section are combined into 8th notes, that is:

GBGB GB c/B/A/G/|FAFA FA d/c/B/A/|

becomes:

GBGB GBdd|FAFA FAdd|

when singing the words.

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[abcusers] Re: mup

2003-10-14 Thread DavBarnert
Martin Tarenskeen wrote:

 Would be nice to start working on a commandline tool that can
 take many types of music notation formats as input and produces
 any other of these formats as output.

Neil Jennings wrote:

 Problem is that the 'independent format' needs to accommodate
 all functionality required from all formats.
 [snip]
 Agree that when we have a 'Universal Music format' then this
 would be the preferred approach.

Probably the format closest to being compatible with all other
formats is printed sheet music. On paper, to be scanned (or as
pdf). The problem with compatibility with abc for this format
(and I believe all the others) is support for modes. I don't think
any of the other formats know the difference between C major and A
minor.

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[abcusers] Re: ABC to HTML viewer

2003-10-14 Thread DavBarnert
Norman Schmidt wrote:

 After not finding a plugin for my browser to read abc files
 directly from the internet, I have taken the viewing engine I
 wrote for ABassC on the Palm and PockePC and ported it to HTML.
 
 The result is at www.normanschmidt.net/abassc.php .
 
 You have to copy/paste the ABC text and press a button; but I
 find it useful when, say your on a machine without BarFly or
 abcm2ps installed.

Nice. Thank you. Note, however, that similar functionality already
exists at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html with the
added features of being able to select various formats for return
(jpg, midi, pdf, ps).

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Re: [abcusers] Re: mup

2003-10-14 Thread Laura Conrad
 David == DavBarnert  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David pdf). The problem with compatibility with abc for this format
David (and I believe all the others) is support for modes. I don't think
David any of the other formats know the difference between C major and A
David minor.

Lilypond does.

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Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC to HTML viewer

2003-10-14 Thread Norman Schmidt
The problem with concertina.net/tunes.convert.html is that it often
gives an error message:
No image available --
there's probably a error in the ABC source causing the conversion to fail.
I make lots of mistakes and need something much more forgiving...
a beginner can just type in ABC and get music output.
Enjoy!

Norman
http://www.normanschmidt.net
 

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Re: [abcusers] Re: mup

2003-10-14 Thread Neil Jennings
My program HARMONY certainly knows the difference between Modes, Minor and
Major, as does the abc format.
MIDI does NOT distinguish modes, but the key meta-event is only for
documentation anyway, makes no difference to the audio output.


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  David == DavBarnert  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 David pdf). The problem with compatibility with abc for this format
 David (and I believe all the others) is support for modes. I don't
think
 David any of the other formats know the difference between C major
and A
 David minor.

 Lilypond does.

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Re: [abcusers] Multivoice in ABC 2.0

2003-10-14 Thread ANewman110
Hi Barry, I agree about putting things in the V: header (or other headers).  V: makes 
sense for type specific things.

I disagree about removing the [] in front of the lines for voice change.  The reason 
is that, for instance abcd is a valid voice name in the new standard and is also valid 
tune body, so the parser has to work a lot harder (slower) to get this to work.

Granted we could have found a better delimiter (since [ is also the start of a second 
ending, but [V: is not).  But existing ABC parsers should already be handling this 
dilemma.
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[abcusers] new iabc released

2003-10-14 Thread ANewman110
We're up to version 0.8 now.

http://abc.sourceforge.net/iabc

See the above link for release notes.

Aaron

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