[abcusers] Re: Tune identification
Frank Nordberg wrote: Great lyrics, btw. Very poetic ;-) Too bad I can't use them. The tune's not really suitable for singing at the tempo we're gonna play it in. Nonsense. We play it at the speed you posted it, and I first became aware of the words one night when Billy Drislane started singing them over the ruckus. Of course the 16th notes in the A section are combined into 8th notes, that is: GBGB GB c/B/A/G/|FAFA FA d/c/B/A/| becomes: GBGB GBdd|FAFA FAdd| when singing the words. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: mup
Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Would be nice to start working on a commandline tool that can take many types of music notation formats as input and produces any other of these formats as output. Neil Jennings wrote: Problem is that the 'independent format' needs to accommodate all functionality required from all formats. [snip] Agree that when we have a 'Universal Music format' then this would be the preferred approach. Probably the format closest to being compatible with all other formats is printed sheet music. On paper, to be scanned (or as pdf). The problem with compatibility with abc for this format (and I believe all the others) is support for modes. I don't think any of the other formats know the difference between C major and A minor. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: ABC to HTML viewer
Norman Schmidt wrote: After not finding a plugin for my browser to read abc files directly from the internet, I have taken the viewing engine I wrote for ABassC on the Palm and PockePC and ported it to HTML. The result is at www.normanschmidt.net/abassc.php . You have to copy/paste the ABC text and press a button; but I find it useful when, say your on a machine without BarFly or abcm2ps installed. Nice. Thank you. Note, however, that similar functionality already exists at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html with the added features of being able to select various formats for return (jpg, midi, pdf, ps). __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Tune identification
Frank wrote: Can anybody help me identifying this tune? I'm pretty sure I *should* know it, but can't place it! X:1 T:? C:? O:? R:Polka? M:C L:1/8 Q:1/4=180 K:G G.G.B.G.B .G.B c/B/A/G/|D7.F.A.F.A .F.A d/c/B/A/|\ G.G.B.G.B .G.B d3/B/|Cc/B/A/G/ D7FA/c/ GB.GG2:| |:Ggf/e/ .d.c B.cd2|Ggf/e/ .d.c D7B.cA2|\ Ggf/e/ .d.c B.c d3/B/|Cc/B/A/G/ D7FA/c/ GB.GG2:| Of *course* you should know it. Everybody should know it. It's The Rakes of Mallow. But how many know the words? Beauing, belling, dancing, singing, Breaking windows, damning, sinking, Ever raking, never thinking, Live the Rakes of Mallow. Spending faster than it comes, Beating Bawds and Whores and Duns, Bacchus' true begotten sons, Live the Rakes of Mallow. One time nought but claret drinking, Then like politicians thinking, To raise the sinking-fund when sinking, Live the Rakes of Mallow. One time flush of money store, Then as any poet poor, Kissing Queens, and then a Whore, Live the Rakes of Mallow. When at home with dada dying, Still for Mallow waters crying, But when there, good claret plying, Live the Rakes of Mallow. Living short, but merry lives, Going where the Devil drives, Keeping Misses, but no Wives, Live the Rakes of Mallow. Racking tenants, stewards teasing, Swiftly spending, slowly raising, Wishing to spend all our days, in Raking thus at Mallow. Thus to end a raking life, We grow sober, take a Wife, Ever after live in strife, Wish again for Mallow. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Tune identification
I have just received notification that my previous message was Quarantined, presumably because it contained a naughty word or two. Here it is again: Frank wrote: Can anybody help me identifying this tune? I'm pretty sure I *should* know it, but can't place it! X:1 T:? C:? O:? R:Polka? M:C L:1/8 Q:1/4=180 K:G G.G.B.G.B .G.B c/B/A/G/|D7.F.A.F.A .F.A d/c/B/A/|\ G.G.B.G.B .G.B d3/B/|Cc/B/A/G/ D7FA/c/ GB.GG2:| |:Ggf/e/ .d.c B.cd2|Ggf/e/ .d.c D7B.cA2|\ Ggf/e/ .d.c B.c d3/B/|Cc/B/A/G/ D7FA/c/ GB.GG2:| Of *course* you should know it. Everybody should know it. It's The Rakes of Mallow. But how many know the words? [At this point, I reproduced the words, but that's where the problem lies, so find them yourself at mudcat.org.] [Is it OK to say reproduced on the internet?] __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Installing abcm2ps on MacOSX
I need a little help. I have just gone ahead and downloaded abcm2ps-2.11.3.pkg for MacOSX from the sourceforge page, and after unstuffing it, I launched the installer. It seemed to operate appropriately (I have OS 10.2.6) but after it reports that the installation was successful, I cannot find the application anywhere on my hard disk. I have now run the installer twice with the same results. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation)
[abcusers] Re: ABC Standard 2.0 revision III
Bernard wrote- 2. |: at the beginning of a section is not ugly. And I do not like being forced to accept incorrect notation in that if a |: is missing then the repeat should be made from the previous double bar. But it *is* ugly at the beginning of a piece. Apparently, Beethoven agreed. Open the score of any of his symphonies (or any other classical sonata-allegro movement, for that matter) and note that there is no opening |: although the first section repeats. It cannot be bad abc to preserve this. Also, Irwin: a minor request: All over your page, you use ` and ' as open and close quotes, respectively when referring to symbols. The first one, in particular, looks so odd that one is tempted to think it is part of the notation being referred to. Couldn't you use ' or or even curly quotes instead to make it flow more smoothly? Thanks David Barnert Albany, NY To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: End of 2nd time bar
Wil wrote- On repeating the second section, you need to know how far to go back, so you need to know where the user thought the second repeat ended. Sometimes it's impossible to tell for sure, but in this case you can probably safely assume the double barline ended the first part. If what follows the first repeat is also to be repeated, there needs to be a |: sign. Otherwise it's just bad abc. Often, a tune has the form: |: seven bars |1 first ending :|2 second ending | sixteen unrepeated bars |] There is no need here for a terminator to the 2nd ending. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: End of 2nd time bar
Bernard wrote: I quote Gardner Read, (Music Notation) who says [to quote in full]: The first ending is marked with a figure 1 and enclosed by a level bracket with an initial downward jog, ending wiht a similar jog at the repeat sign. The second ending is marked with a figure 2 and is also set off with a horizontal bracket - this time beginning with the down-jog and extended without termination, usually as far as the first barline thereafter. Of the first ending contuinues onto another line or system, the bracket minus a downward jog is not given the concluding downward jog until the repeat mark is reached. Should there be a third, or terminating ending, the second ending is notated in the manner of the usual first ending. Kurt Stone (Music notation in the 20th century) illustrates with examples only, all of which agree with Read, except he allows the word Fine instead of 2 if the 2nd time bar is at the end of a piece. The little pamphlet Standard Music Notation practice bu the Music Publisher's Association (which is available in PDF on the net somewhere) says endings must be bracketed. When a second ending occurs in the middle of a piece, the bracket should extend for a measure or two and then end without the closing stroke. When the second ending occurs at the end of a piece or section, the bracket must be closed. And 2 examples follow, one showing a 2nd time section consisting of 2 bars and then a thin-thick barline and showing a downstroke on the 2-bar bracket. This is entirely consistent with my experience playing classical music from reputable publishers. I never saw a 2nd ending (or last ending, but classical music tends not to have more than two, and in what follows I will refer to them as 2nd endings) that ended with a downward jog. They just trail off after a measure. Of course this makes perfect sense: What logical significance would the end of a 2nd ending have? The 2nd ending is what you play when you reach the beginning of the 1st ending the 2nd time. It begins after the repeat and includes the entire remainder of the piece. To arbitrarily define a point in the music as the end of the 2nd ending would have no effect on how the notes are played. Programs that extend the 2nd ending until some arbitrary terminator (and to the end of the piece absent a terminator) are in conflict with standard typesetting practices. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abc 1.7.6 Draft of Standard?
To: Chris Walshaw cc: abc Users List Chris- The following exchange is from the abc users list in the last day or two. We were discussing the use of assigned letters and the example came up of using H for fermata... Bernard Hill wrote- Surely by the standard (www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/abc-draft.txt) H *is* predefined as fermata. I wrote- But that's not the standard. That's the draft of the elusive next standard. Version 1.6 is still the operational standard and it says: [...] Bernard wrote- I was advised by Chris Walshaw himself that that is the current standard and has replaced the one on the standard web site. I wrote- Cool. Thanks. First I'd heard. No mention of it on Chris's web site (still refers to it as draft and 1.6 as current). Bernard again- Well he did say he must get around to doing it... maybe a gentle reminder? So here it is. A gentle reminder. If it is in fact the case that you consider the 1.7.6 draft to be the new standard, could you please update your web site accordingly? And perhaps drop a note to the list when it's done? We'd all be quite grateful. Thanks. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality
Bernard Hill wrote- Surely by the standard (www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/abc-draft.txt) H *is* predefined as fermata. But that's not the standard. That's the draft of the elusive next standard. Version 1.6 is still the operational standard and it says: | New notation | | | The letters H-Z can be used to define your own new notation | within a tune. Currently the way they are implemented (if at all) | is extremely package dependent and so users are advised not to | rely too heavily on them to include new features. Instead, if | there is a feature or symbol that you need and which is not | available it is better to press for it to be included as a part | of the language. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: abc and microtonality
Bernard Hill wrote: I was advised by Chris Walshaw himself that that is the current standard and has replaced the one on the standard web site. Cool. Thanks. First I'd heard. No mention of it on Chris's web site (still refers to it as draft and 1.6 as current). Does everyone know about this? My subscription to the list was broken for a couple of months earlier this spring, so I might have missed it. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation)
[abcusers] Awful quiet...
I have recently noticed that I stopped receiving the abc list (I'm subscribed to the digest) about two months ago. I last posted in early March, and looking at the archives, posts from mid March look unfamiliar, so it must have been around then. I tried to resubscribe at the web site, but it tells me I'm already subscribed. I wrote to Toby about this a week ago, and have heard nothing. I know he's got a lot on his plate and doesn't always get to this kind of stuff quickly. Anybody have any ideas as to how I can start getting the digest again? Thanks. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Digest #845?
Hi. Recently returned from a couple of weeks away. I read this list as the digest. It seems that Digest #845 does not appear in my in box. 844 was 14Feb and 846 was 18Feb. I have nothing in between. It's possible I accidentally deleted it along with all the spam that accumulated while I was away. I've been to the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ It is arranged by subject, not by date, so getting what I need there would be very cumbersome if not impossible. Anybody have a copy they can send me? Thanks. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Any chance of print outs in bass clef?
Sue in Vermont wrote: I am the parent of two boys who enjoy music and who have recently started to enjoy fiddling. I am curious to know on behalf of my cellist son whether there is way to print out fiddle tunes in the bass clef? This depends on what software you're using. Standard abc (the last official version of the protocol is 1.6, a relic of the previous century) doesn't provide for different clefs, but most of the software authors have dealt with it. So it is possible, but you'll have to check the documentation of your software. What works in one application might not in another. Your cellist son might also be interested in the fact that there is a violin maker in Amherst, MA named Lloyd Craighill (he's in the book) who makes an instrument he calls a tenor violin. It is shaped like a violin, about the size of a classical guitar, played like a cello and tuned a 5th higher than a cello (an octave below the violin). Like a cello with an E string and no C string. As a cellist who loves playing fiddle tunes (on many instruments), I'm tempted myself. Also, as a cellist who loves playing fiddle tunes, I would strongly urge your son to become familiar with the treble clef. Every good boy does fine! __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abc in web pages
Chris wrote: John, I have a suggestion for an enhancement to your tune-finder. ... How about a textbox in which I can enter my own abc, and click a button or link that will generate the output I want? If I understand what you're asking for, it already exists. Have a look at: http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html Is this what you're looking for? I send folks here all the time if I send them an abc file and I know they don't have the software. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Musicians and techies
Toby wrote (nice to see you actually on the list, Toby): You think it's bad there in the UK? It's non-existant here in the US. I don't think I've even been in a session in a pub or bar here, ever! There's no exposure for traditional music here in that manner. Doesn't matter what tradition it's from, except maybe Tejano and Cajun, which have huge regional followings. We always usually play in people's kitchens, or else in meeting halls.. Not the best way to be heard by the masses! Not so all over the USA. See http://www.fiddlerstour.com/default_ft.aspx for a description of our weekly pub/restaurant session. I know several of others here in the Northeast. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Request: Recommend Intro Guide to MIDI from Programmer's perspective.
Christian M. Cepel asked: I'm looking for a good reference/intro text to explain MIDI. Have you seen this site? It's a good place to start: http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tech/miditech.htm Note there is a bad link on one of the MIDI Specification page. The link that says What is MIDI? should send you to: http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tutr/whatmidi.htm __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Correct syntax for right repeat bar line after a second time ending?
Alasdair asked: I have first and second time endings, after which I need to start a repeat. But what is the correct syntax for this? I am using abcm2ps (under linux), and every permutation of ]|: seems to produce an error, or the wrong output. The abc 1.6 standard says: } Repeat/bar symbols } == } } Bar line symbols are generated as follows: } } } | bar line } |] thin-thick double bar line } || thin-thin double bar line } [| thick-thin double bar line } :| left repeat } |: right repeat No mention here of ]|: so no surprise it doesn't work. I don't know what else you tried, but try this. It should work: X:1 T:Repeat Test M:C L:1/4 K:C |:CDEF|1 GABc:|2 GcBc|:cdef|1 gabc':|2 gc'bc'|] Most abc programs will automatically draw the thick/thin bar lines where they belong in the repeats. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abc on Palm units (was music copyrights)
Karl Dallas wrote: As an interesting sidelight, I use ABC primarily as a composition tool on my Palm-compatible Treo PDA. I have a Palm unit, and I have PalmABC for playing abc files and abcViewer for viewing them. Both are cumbersome enough that I would have great difficulty using the Palm with this software for anything other than carrying simple tunes around for novelty or memory aid purposes. Are you using software I don't know about? If you're only using the above, how are you finding it? Thanks. David Barnert To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: repeats and bar numbers
JC wrote: Orchestral scores typically don't have bar numbers at all, just huge boxed letters at critical points. People then say things like Go to four bars before E. That's not really true. I've been playing the Cello for 40 years and have been in many orchestras. While the boxed letters scheme referred to above is common (I'd even go along with most common), it is also common to see numbered measures (sometimes in addition to the boxed letters). The scheme is either: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 |:abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|[1abc:|[2def||gab|... or 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1617 |:abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|[1abc:|[2def||gab|... but I've never seen: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 |:abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|abc|[1abc:|[2def||gab|... Note that the first measure is generally not numbered. Also, although all the measures are numbered above for clarity, in general only the measures at the beginning of the lines or measures 10n (n = integer) are numbered. BTW (self-promotion) I was the Piano Puzzle guy on National Public Radio's Performance Today this past Wednesday. Hear it at: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/pt/20021204.pt.pianopuzzlers.ram __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Folkband (again)
I spent an hour or so exploring Folkband the other day. It's entrancing. The flute division in English Country Garden is a particular inspiration. Just email me and I'll give you a permanent username and password. Please. Lemme have it! David Barnert Albany, NY To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Goodbye
Frank- I have learned a great deal from you in your posts and your answers to my questions, and spent many hours poking around musicaviva.com. Whatever is happening in your life, I hope it works out for the best for you. But one question: Does this Goodbye also mean you're signing off the list? Note this is cc'ed both to the list and to you personally. I'd sure like to see an answer on the list, though. I read the list as the digest. Apologies if this has already been answered since the last digest. Take care. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abc on Palm Pilot
John Chambers wrote: There are two abc apps for palm pilots. One displays the abc as staff notation, the other plays the music. I can't install both at once, because they both call themselves palmabc. Is there a palmabc that displays abc on the Palm OS? I have two abc apps in my Palm Pilot. They have different names. They are the only two Palm OS apps mentioned on the abc home page. One is called PalmABC and it plays the tunes through the speaker. http://www.palmabc.ganderband.com/ The other is called ABCViewer and it displays (rudimentary) music notation on the screen. http://www.biff.org.uk/dave/abc.html There is no conflict between them. Unfortunately, though, they use abc files in different formats. ABCViewer uses text files stored in the Memo Pad as source and ABCViewer stores the abc as text files in its own format, invisible to the memo pad. If you want to be able to both see and hear a tune you must copy and paste between them and ultimately store the tune twice. Also: It's basically like the situation with Word Processor software. They are all forced to input and export plain text, no matter how much they'd like to block such text. If I'm selling a commercial package, I'd much prefer that you can only use the files with my software. That way, you (and your friends) have to keep paying me, or your files become unusable. That sort of assumes that the software company is going to be around and selling/supporting its word processor longer than the user will need it. If my old favorite word processor, WriteNow (for Mac), couldn't store files as text, many of my old files would now be as worthless as all the ConcertWare music files I spent countless hours creating 10 - 15 years ago now are. :~( __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Antialiasing
Laurie wrote: One favourite trick of ink-jet printers is to develop a blocked jet and this can do horrible things to horizontal lines of staffs. You tend to notice them at gigs when you suddenly realise the music is unreadable. Top or bottom lines are deadly, but the in-between ones are pretty bad too. I thought that photocopiers were immune to this, but I recently went to a workshop where the chap who ran it (Dave Brown) had printed one master copy of the music and photocopied it many times to hand out to the participants. He described it as a high quality photocopier. It must have been a really high-tech one that rasterised the image. It also must have had the page horizontally aligned to high precision because it managed to lose staff lines. On one page you could actually see the line fading out as it went across the page and on another (presumably later) copy of the same page there was no trace of it at all. A little mis-alignment would have worked wonders! To me it sounds much more likely that the flaw was in the master copy. Are you sure this wasn't the case? __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: The new BarFly
Phil Sauve wrote: 2. When I replay a tune in the split screen mode, the music play always goes back to the first tune entered and then I have to manualy go to the tune I want repeated. Phil Taylor wrote: When you play a tune in BarFly, the tune which plays is the one where the text insertion point is located. If you move the insertion point yourself you may find a different tune plays than the one whose music is on display. Is that what's happening here? Phil Sauve wrote: As far as the second problem, your advice did solve it. If I am not mistaken, this is slightly different behavior from previous versions of BarFly. When a tune is selected for display/play in split screen mode, the insertion point doesn't move to that tune, so after playing it once, a second attempt to play it will jump back to the (different) tune where the insertion point is. This is usually the first tune in the file because when you first open a file, that is where the insertion point is. It is very disconcerting, and I never noticed it happening in previous versions (which I no longer have for experimenting). __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: The F F (and F F2) problems
James Allwright wrote: The inconsistency is deliberate. The point is that when you play a hornpipe or anything else with dotted rhythm (or swing, or whatever you want to call it), keeping a 3:1 ratio is rather harder than keeping a 2:1 ratio and doesn't really add much musically apart from a certain pedantic pleasure in knowing that you are playing exactly what your notation says. This is why abc2midi makes the assumption that ab is meant to be played as a 2:1 ratio. I think this is in accordance with the original spirit of '' even if this is not spelt out in the standard. It sounds like you're saying that cannot be used to notate the first notes of Mari's Wedding to play as I've always heard it played. This would be unacceptable. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Slicing your baloney
Atte wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002, John Chambers wrote: Isn't this slicing your baloney rather thin? I don't get it... In English (well, American English, at any rate), in addition to referring to the sliceable deli meat formally known as Bologna Sausage, the word baloney is a euphemism for bullshit. Hope this helps. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: What tune is this?
Phil Katz wrote: Imo the Danish tune does not begin to be Jenny Lind (except under that convention that any two tunes in the same key(s) with roughly the same phrasing and 1-2 similar runs are the same tune.) You need to learn to see the forest through the trees. Measures 2, 3, and 4 (and therefore measure 6 as well) have nearly the same outline in both tunes, and more importantly, they *sound* similar. The A sections are as similar as any two versions of Soldier's Joy. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: What tune is this?
Ulf writes: ...There must be someone who knows it. What is the name of it? What does the rest of it go like? X:1 T:Unknown Begin Of Danish Folk Tune K:G maj M:4/4 L:1/8 B2c2 ||: G d^cde D7 cBcd | G B2b2 b2Bd | D7 c2 a2 a2 Ac | G B2 g2 g2 Bc | d^cde D7 cBcd | G B2b2 b2Bd | D7 c2 a2 a^gab | G g2 g2 g2 z2 || A7 a^gab a=gfe | D d^cdf edcB | A7 AB^cd efge | D d^cde f2 z2 | A7 a^gab a=gfe | D d^cdf edcB | A7 AB^cd efge | D d2 d2 dc Bc :|] Sounds suspiciously like what we in the US would call the Heel and Toe Polka. X:2 T:Heel and Toe Polka M:C| L:1/4 K:G d/c/|:Bdce|dbb/^a/b|caa/^g/a|Bgg/f/g| Bdce|dbb/^a/b|c'aa/c'/b/a/|ggg[1d/c/:|2z|| gee/g/f/e/|dBB/^A/B|cAA/^G/A|edde/f/| gee/g/f/e/|dBB/^A/B|cAA/c/B/A/|GGG[1e/f/:|2d/c/|] __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Complex Chords in ABC
Luis Pablo Gasparotto wrote: I'm convinced that a good point to start a CHORD STANDARIZATION is to see what are the concepts which everybody agree. I think this concepts are: [snip] Cdim7 = C,_E,_G,A Not quite. On a piano, a diminished 7th (the interval, not the chord) is the same as a major 6th, but not on all other instruments, and it's becoming more common now for computers to use historical tunings since the reasons for equal temperament (the physical limitations of a box of tuned strings) does not apply. I would spell the chord as: Cdim7 = C,_E,_G,__B [That's B double flat, but the underscores may run together depending on the font you're viewing this in] Luis Pablo also wrote (in another post): I will. Can you give me a link to these archives. http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Palm Pilot advice please
Steve wrote: Someone has mailed me asking for advice on writing abc on a Palm Pilot - they tell me (I don't have access to one so have to take her word for it) that there is no | symbol available, which makes bar lines a bit hard! Anyone got any suggestions as to either (a) where my enquirer might find the pipe symbol or (b) how else they might get round this? The | symbol can be drawn on a Palm unit as follows: Using the Graffiti system, tap once and then move the stylus straight up then straight down without lifting (upside-down from what you would do to draw a colon). It is the last item on the 4th screen of the Graffiti Help screens (/G). I use both PalmABC player and ABC Viewer quite a lot. David Barnert Albany, NY To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Kemp's Jig
Frank Nordberg writes: ...One of the best known mid-16th C. jigs, Kemp's jig, shows no resemblance at all to the modern jig, but is a dead ringer for a rujero. (Concidering the fact that it's named after a famous actor/dancer/performer, it's probably a set dance anyway.) It's a Morris Dance. Kemp, in addition to being an actor in William Shakespeare's company was a Morris Dancer and made a bit of a name for himself jigging all the way from London to Norwich over the course of nine days (the so called Nine Daies Wonder). Did you see Shakespeare in Love? He was the one with the dog. In the realm of Morris Dancing, a jig is a dance for one or two dancers, as opposed to a set of (usually) six dancers. The word jig refers to the dance, not the tune. Although in this case the tune is named for the dance, many jigs have tunes that are also used for Morris set dances. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: mystery Breton tune
Jack wrote: Anybody know anything about this tune? ... I have heard Wild Asparagus http://www.wildasparagus.com/ play it (or something very similar) at a contradance. I've just looked through their web site and although they have some sound files, this doesn't seem to be among them. I bet if you make a sound file and send it to George Marshall (one of the band, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) he should be able to tell you something. Hope this helps. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: new ABC+ draft ready
Ray wrote: Where can I find the 1.6 draft and the 1.7.6 draft? 1.6 is not a draft. It is the most recent working standard. 1.7.6 is a draft. Both are available at the abc home page: http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/ or, more specifically, the 1.6 standard is at: http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc2mtex/abc.txt and the 1.7.6 draft is at: http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/abc-draft.txt __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: something really simple
Frank wrote: In a way the present definition of the Q: field represents a perversion of everything music is about. Notated music (standard notation or abc or whatever) exists mainly to aid the performing musician, but the Q: field as it is today seems to assume that the music is to be played by a computer. My idea is to have ABC present the tempo in a way that is as useful as possible to the live musician, and *then* add some kind of mechanisms for helping the computer interpret it as well as it can. Isn't it just the other way around? We cannot deny that it is often convenient (if not artistically valuable) to have a computer play music from abc notation. That's one of the reasons abc was invented. The computer must have a way to know how fast to play, and the Q: field is the answer. Nothing in the 1.6 specs addresses the question of how to communicate tempo to a live musician, which we seem to agree is a different problem. The answer to this will necessarily be an extension not present in 1.6. BTW, I don't suppose we'll ever find a consensus as to how to represent the metronome markings in Beethoven which were almost certainly derived from a faulty mechanism and are routinely ignored in modern performance. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #564
Laura Conrad wrote: I never heard of anyone playing chopsticks on anything but a piano. It certainly isn't a recorder piece. Says who? The first section one of the easiest pieces to play on two recorders at once (a soprano and an alto). Left hand plays alto and starts with middle F while right hand plays soprano and starts on lowest G (a note above the alto F). I seem to remember working out the second section when I was in college 25 years ago, too, but I just spent an hour trying to recapture it and it's lost. I think I used the little finger to cover the hole usually covered by the right index finger at one point. Maybe I did it (the whole thing) in a different key or with a different combination of instruments (alto/tenor?). But I think what Frank meant was that it's not notated on a pair of clefs like real piano music. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Missing the point by several miles
John Chambers wrote: Then there are all the sites that teach the ABCs of something or other. For the past 2 years at the Squeeze-In (a weekend for squeezebox players of all sorts in western Massachusetts), I have led a workshop I called The ABC's of abc. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Boston Early Music Festival
Laura wrote: ... I'll also see whether there's a complete book for a reasonable price at the Boston Early Music Festival this week. I'll be there, too. I bet a bunch of us will. Too bad there isn't a badge we can all wear to recognize each other. The Morris Dance Discussion List has one, posted on its web page, to be printed on yellow paper, pressed into a button (USA) or badge (UK) and worn at events where many list participants are likely to be found. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Page set-up in abc4mac
Laura wrote: I don't know anything about abc4mac, but it looks like some members of the abc2ps family will let you say, within the ABC file: E:lw number where number is the number of points to set the line width to. I believe that there are 72 points in an inch, so try E:lw 468 Thanks! This looks promising. Now knowing what to look for, I found this in the abc2ps documentation (ReadMe.abc2ps) that comes with abc4mac: |Field E: this field can be used to set some parameters from |within the file: | | shrinkset glue mode to compress | space set to natural glue widths | stretch stretched glue mode | fill normal mode to fill staffs | break ignore continuations | xref write xref numbers to output | one write one tune per page. | newpage start new page for next tune | lw pppset local staff width to ppp points. | |For example, to output a single tune in a narrower format, |put 'E:lw 400' into the header of this tune. If this is put |after the header but within the tune body, only the music is set |with a different width and the title is written as before. So I tried it. I can't get it to work. I fed the following abc through abc4mac: X:1 E:lw 360 % 5 inches T:Line width test 360 in header M:C K:C CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|] X:2 T:Line width test 360 in music M:C K:C E:lw 360 % 5 inches CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|] X:3 E:lw 504 % 7 inches T:Line width test 504 in header M:C K:C CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|] X:4 T:Line width test 504 in music M:C K:C E:lw 504 % 7 inches CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|CDEF GABc|] I displayed the resulting ps file in MacGSView at 100% size. All four tunes appeared identical and had a staff width of 493 pt (6.85 inches). This, unfortunately, is not close enough to 6.5 to satisfy the needs of my project. Any other ideas? Or does anybody see what I did wrong? If I can't find a right way to do it, I have a plan: I have staves 493 pt long and I want them 468 pt long. 468/493 = a little less than 95%. I'll call it 94% to err on the short side. So I will save the ps files as bitmaps at 300dpi * 0.94 = 282 dpi and then shrink them to 94% size (I know, it's essentially Phil's suggestion from a few days ago). The text will be smaller than I'd like, but while I'm in a graphics program, I might re-enter it in a slightly larger font. The notation itself probably won't suffer from the reduction to 94%. Thanks again to all who have provided suggestions and all the rest who patiently read these questions. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Page set-up in abc4mac
I need to produce high resolution staff notation from abc files on a Mac, and it needs to be no more than 6.5 inches wide. So I'm using abc4mac and trying to figure out how to manipulate the page size. From reading the documentation, it looks like it's possible by using the command line, but I can't figure out exactly what I'm supposed to type. Can anybody help me out? Step-by-step instructions would be greatly appreciated. On or off list. Thanks. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: 6 against 4 (again?)
Matt wrote: If my posts from Thursday and Friday on this subject have been received, please forgive the redundancy. I get the digest, and I don't remember seeing them. In 4/4 time, hornpipe rhythm, what is the best way in abc to notate a bar containing six rests and notes of equal duration? If there were no rests, (3aaa (3aaa would suffice. But if I change any of those notes to rests, e.g., (3zaa (3azz, yaps issues several errors and renders the measure as if it were in 5/4 time. (3zzz (3zzz works in BarFly (displays two sets of triplet eighth- note rests). The problem must be within YAPS. Incidentally, are rests in the midst of tuples ever seen in professionally printed sheet music, or are they somehow considered "bad form"? If bad form, what would be the correct way to display this sort of rhythm? New one on me. :\ __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...
Laurie Griffiths wrote: I used to play quite a lot of stuff in E and I always tuned the G string a tad flat. I haven't bothered to sort out the arithmetic, but I'm sure it's the same thing. You don't really need the math here. The G string is where you'll find the 3rd of the E chord, so you flatten it, just as Phil said he flattens the E string when playing in D. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abc for MAC
Cindy wrote: I have been asked what is the best software (and why) to download for Mac users. Anyone want a go singing the praises of their favs? The answer to this kind of question always depends on what you want to do with it. Do you want quality (i.e., PostScript) graphic output? Do you want to see the music as you type? Etc., etc. I have found BarFly to meet all my needs. It doesn't do PostScript, but it does almost everything else. For PostScript, try abc4mac. Those are the only two Mac abc packages I have any familiarity with. They both have decent sound, although BarFly's is more flexible. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: intonation - Fomula for determining a half step inMgHz...
Mike Whitaker wrote:
I would not be at all surprised to discover that most guitarists
who tune to DADGAD ('modal D' tuning) do so in a manner which is
not in the least even-tempered, too. And not necessarily
consciously.
The frets on a guitar are spaced strictly logarithmically, and so
they yield an equal tempered scale. If a guitarist tunes (whether
in DADGAD or EADGBE or any other scheme) by comparing the pitch of
each string to the fretted next lower string, he will be tuning to
an equal tempered scale.
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[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #441
Jack Campin wrote- One beef. Why are the accidentals given that way? ABC has an irritating non-uniformity here: you write flats and sharps prefixed with ^ and _ if they occur as accidentals in the melody line of a piece, b and # postfixed in the key signature and in chords. Couldn't a uniform notation (^ and _ prefixed everywhere) be supported? Printed music notation has this duality, and abc just followed suit (quite appropriately, to those of us who still believe that there should be a mapping between abc and printed music). Notes in the tune are represented by tadpoles with prefixed accidentals that are omitted if they're in the key signature and remain enabled throughout the measure, and chords are represented alphabetically with post fixed accidentals that aren't. Trying to fix it in abc without an analogous change in printed music will be asking for trouble. Laurie wrote- Incidentally, it occurred to me that "/G" would be a logical name for the degenerate single-note chord which has G in the bass and nothing else. Any takers? Right here, Laurie. I think it's brilliant. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: O'Neill errors
Frank wrote: A problem with the O'Neill tunes is that many of them doesn't seem to have a clearly defined tonal centre at all. Surely, you don't mean to say that this is "[a] problem with the O'Neill tunes." The problem is that we are using a protocol that doesn't deal well with such tunes. We've been through this before, and I realize I am in the minority on this, but I continue to feel that the K: field should describe the number of sharps or flats without naming a tonic and/or a mode. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: New Orleans Jazz
Derek Lane-Smith asked: It seems to me that abc is an ideal format for building a library of New Orleans Jazz standards. Does anyone know of such a database? Or of one in some other format that is accessible, and that can be converted to abc? FWIW, Derek is the only person I've ever heard play New Orleans Jazz on the English Concertina. Good luck with the project, Derek, but I have nothing of value to add. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Modal confusion
I wrote: I think having abc represent information that is not in "the tadpoles" ... is asking for trouble. and Robert Bley-Vroman wrote: Since abc is a system for representing musical information in human-readable ascii, there is no particular reason for it to restrict itself to the sort of information which is commonly represented in any other notational system. To be sure, many people often use abc to produce tadpoles, but the language should be driven the desire for perspicuous musical notation, rather than by the need to serve as input for tadpoles. Yes, Robert. I remember when you said you had made the change from a viewpoint like mine to this one (I think that's what you said, anyway). Well, it hasn't happened to me yet. Sheet music remains a formidable standard, and if we let abc get much more sophisticated than it, we run the risk of having them become incompatible with each other. Then abc [question: How do you start a sentence with "abc" -- do you capitalize?] will be very efficient in its own little vacuum while most musicians still use sheet music with all its quirks. And once we leave sheet music behind, what next? Sound? "Hey, I've got a great tune in abc here, but it can't be manifested in sound. It exists only as pure abc." I liked it better when we thought of abc as a representation of sheet music and took for granted the (perhaps tenuous) correspondence between sheet music and "the noise it makes." I'd hate for abc to get too far afield of either of them. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
