Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
Laura Conrad wrote: Actually, the main reason you shouldn't send attachments to mailing lists is that it doesn't work. Majordomo, one of the really common mailing list packages, has no idea how to deal with them. Frank MUSICATOR 2.50m Vi bekjender og Frank trord èz®~à£p= So here's the kind of thing I got. Never mind. It was more or less like that in the first place. Søren R Christensen wrote: Thank you for your input to this question. Musicator fileformat is BINARY. The current file-version (Muswin 3) is about 80 Kb with NO music in it yet. 80 KB??? The Musicator file I sent was from version 2.5 and it took just 8 KB *with* the music! I can't believe that the added features of 3.0 really warrants such an increase in file size, but that's not an unusual problem with newer computer applications I guess. I can send examples (empty file, file with a few notes in etc.) to anyone who would have a try. I have earlier asked the official "Musicator-company" what to do, their answer was, that all export from Musicator should be via MIDI. It'd be really nice to know if anybody manage to solve it. The music school at Saltdal has a fairly big collection of local traditional music in Musicator format. Some of it is really good and apart from the polka Søren has posted, I haven't seen any of it anywhere else. P.S. Frank, thank you very much for the arranged version of Polka fra Saltdal. Just a pleasure, but don't post it anywhere yet. I haven' got permission from the arranger to use it. She's an extremely nice and kind girl, so I'm fairly sure she'll say it's OK, but she hasn't replied to my last e mail yet. God helg! Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Vedr: Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
Thank you for your input to this question. Musicator fileformat is BINARY. The current file-version (Muswin 3) is about 80 Kb with NO music in it yet. I can send examples (empty file, file with a few notes in etc.) to anyone who would have a try. I have earlier asked the official "Musicator-company" what to do, their answer was, that all export from Musicator should be via MIDI. - hi from Søren R. P.S. Frank, thank you very much for the arranged version of Polka fra Saltdal. My version is from an old LP from the 70'ties "Nabolaget" with mixed Norwegian, Swedish and Danish musicians. Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 29-09-2000 13:45:48 Besvar venligst til [EMAIL PROTECTED] Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Søren R Christensen/HNG/DK) Vedrørende:Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a pointer to a spec? If Musicator files are text files, it's likely that I or someone else could grind out a perl program to chew it up and spit out ABC. It would also be helpful if you could give a URL for a directory of files in Musicator format. Then we could look them over and decide whether we want to tackle the translation. It's almost certainly not text files. We're talking about a program dating back to the late 80s here (the good old days with MS/DOS and 286 processors, you know) Musicator was developed by two norwegians, computer engineer Jo Bråttkorp and studio musician Brynjulf Blix, to fill the need for a program that could both play and notate music. It was quite a sensation when it first appeared (back in the days of MS/DOS and 286). After the company was taken over by Roland (or was it Yamaha?) they seem to have concentrated on developing the program as a midi sequencer more than as a notation program. I had a look at Musicator's home page (located at - believe it or not - http://www.musicator.com ) but couldn't find any reference to file format specs or anything like that. Maybe the best approach would be to contact one of the original developers. I've never met them myself, but according to a friend of mine who knows them, they are really nice people who would probably be very interested in helping. Brynjulf Blix is still a fairly profilic studio musician in Norway, so he shouldn't be hard to locate. (I know nothing about Jo Bråttkorp) Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a pointer to a spec? If Musicator files are text files, it's likely that I or someone else could grind out a perl program to chew it up and spit out ABC. It would also be helpful if you could give a URL for a directory of files in Musicator format. Then we could look them over and decide whether we want to tackle the translation. It's almost certainly not text files. We're talking about a program dating back to the late 80s here (the good old days with MS/DOS and 286 processors, you know) Musicator was developed by two norwegians, computer engineer Jo Bråttkorp and studio musician Brynjulf Blix, to fill the need for a program that could both play and notate music. It was quite a sensation when it first appeared (back in the days of MS/DOS and 286). After the company was taken over by Roland (or was it Yamaha?) they seem to have concentrated on developing the program as a midi sequencer more than as a notation program. I had a look at Musicator's home page (located at - believe it or not - http://www.musicator.com ) but couldn't find any reference to file format specs or anything like that. Maybe the best approach would be to contact one of the original developers. I've never met them myself, but according to a friend of mine who knows them, they are really nice people who would probably be very interested in helping. Brynjulf Blix is still a fairly profilic studio musician in Norway, so he shouldn't be hard to locate. (I know nothing about Jo Bråttkorp) Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
S=F8ren writes: | | I have about 450 Musicator-files (.mct) with scandinavian folktunes which= | I | would like to convert to abc-format for web-distribution. They are | currently distributed as GIF-files (check: | http://www.folketshus.dk/folketshus/spillefolk/noder.html) which are OK f= | or | screen-presentation, but to lousy and unpractical for print, I think. | | Conversion via MIDI is very tidy (means not practical possible) since all | notation layout is lost. | | Does anyone know about conversion-tools - or does anyone know about | Musicator-file-format ? Got a pointer to a spec? If Musicator files are text files, it's likely that I or someone else could grind out a perl program to chew it up and spit out ABC. It would also be helpful if you could give a URL for a directory of files in Musicator format. Then we could look them over and decide whether we want to tackle the translation. (Or maybe I could use this as the excuse I've been looking for to get some more experience with python. ;-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Musicator2abc-conversion
Søren R Christensen wrote: Hi everyone! I have about 450 Musicator-files (.mct) with scandinavian folktunes which I would like to convert to abc-format for web-distribution. They are currently distributed as GIF-files (check: http://www.folketshus.dk/folketshus/spillefolk/noder.html) which are OK for screen-presentation, but to lousy and unpractical for print, I think. Wow! You've really done a great job there! There are lots of websites with music in GIF format, and it seems to work well most of the time - at least when the graphics are as clear as this. But of course you can't get high resolution prints that way. Conversion via MIDI is very tidy (means not practical possible) since all notation layout is lost. That's not an abc specific problem. I've yet to come across any music notation converter that keeps all formatting. I found a really obscure polka from a really obscure village (where I happen to work) on your site and tried to run it through macmidi2abc. Here's the result: --- % input file pk-saltdal.mid % format 1 file 2 tracks X: 1 T: M: 1/4 L: 1/16 Q:1/4=55 K:G % 1 sharps %Polka fra Saltdal % Time signature=2/4 MIDI-clocks/click=24 32nd-notes/24-MIDI-clocks=8 V:1 %New Midi % MIDI Key signature, sharp/flats=2 minor=0 z4|z4|Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge ^cB| Aa ^g/2a/2^g/2a/2|fd/2d/2 dd|Af/2f/2 f=g|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge B^c| dd/2d/2 dd|d4|Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge ^cB| Aa ^g/2a/2^g/2a/2|fd/2d/2 dd|Af/2f/2 f=g|f2 f2| Af/2f/2 fg|f2 f2|ef ga|ge B^c| dd/2d/2 dd| % MIDI Key signature, sharp/flats=1 minor=0 dB =c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 AB|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2| ed dc|BB c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 g2|ff/2f/2 fe|dd ef| g/2a/2g/2f/2 g/2a/2g/2f/2|gB c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 AB|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2|c/2A/2F/2A/2 c/2A/2F/2A/2| ed dc|BB c^c|dB GB|dB GB| ed =cB|A2 g2|ff/2f/2 fe|dd ef| g/2a/2g/2f/2 g/2a/2g/2f/2|g4| --- After some editing I got this: --- X:1 T:Polka fra Saltdal C:trad. O:Norway A:Saltdal, Nordland M:2/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=154 K:D Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|\ ef ga|ge ^cB|Aa ^g/a/^g/a/|fd/d/ dd| Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|\ ef ga|ge B^c|dd/d/ dd|[1d4:|\ K:G [2dB c^c| dB GB|dB GB|ed cB|A2 AB|\ c/A/F/A/ c/A/F/A/|c/A/F/A/ c/A/F/A/|ed dc|BB c^c| dB GB|dB GB|ed cB|A2 g2|\ ff/f/ fe|dd ef|g/a/g/f/ g/a/g/f/|[1gB c^c:|[2g4|] --- This is really good ABC, but the work took me almost five minutes. Writing the file manually would probably have been faster. By the way, here's a string quartet/orchestra arrangement a friend of mine wrote a couple of years ago. It's really nice, though I'll have to ask her if there is some reason for that strange ending. The superfluous naturals towards the end isn't her fault, though. I had to add them because of a playback bug in BarFly. Frank Nordberg --- X:433 T:Polka fra Saltdal C:trad., arr. Kjersti Nilsen (1992) O:Norway A:Saltdal V:1 Program 1 110 %Fiddle V:2 Program 2 40 %Violin V:3 Program 3 41 %Viola V:4 Program 4 42 bass %Cello %The original arrangement was for three violins and a cello (or string orchestra) %Combining four different string instruments works better for a midi file, though. Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com %Formatted for BarFly M:2/4 L:1/8 Q:1/4=154 K:D V:1 "_f"vAf/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2| V:2 "_f"vAd/d/ de|d2d2|Ad/d/ de|d2d2| V:3 "_f"vD2 D2|DD/D/ D2|D2D2|AA/A/ A2| V:4 "_f"vD,2 D,2|D,D,/E,/ D,2|D,2 D,2|F,F,/G,/ F,2| % V:1 ef ga|ge cB|Aa ^g/a/^g/a/|fd/d/ udud| V:2 cd cd|ec AG|Fd d/d/d/d/|dd/d/ udud| V:3 A2 AA|AA/A/ AA|A2 A2|A2 DD/D/| V:4 E,2 E,F,|E,E,/E,/ E,E,|F,2 F,2|F,2 D,D,/D,/| % V:1 Af/f/ fg|f2 f2|Af/f/ fg|f2 f2| V:2 Ad/d/ de|d2d2|Ad/d/ de|d2 f2| V:3 D2 D2|DD/D/ D2|D2 D2|DD/D/ A2| V:4 D,2 D,2|D,D,/E,/ D,2|D,2 D,2|A,2 uB,uA,| % V:1 ef ga|ge Bc|dd/d/ udud|[1d4:|\ K:G [2d"_mp"B =c^c| V:2 K:D e2 ef|eB AG|FF/F/ GG|[1F4:|\ K:G [2F2 z2| V:3 K:D G2 A2|G2 A2|A2 B2|[1A2 A2:|\ K:G [2A2 z2| V:4 K:D G,2 A,2|B,G, F,E,|D,2 D,D,/D,/|[1D,2D,2:|\ K:G [2D,2 z2| % V:1 |:dB GB|dB GB|ed =cB|A2 uAuB| V:2 |:"_mp"vG2 GD|B,D GD|B,2 ED|=C2 E2| V:3 |:"_mp"vB4|B4|B4|A4| V:4 |:"_mp"vG,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|A,,2 =C,2| % V:1 =c/A/F/A/ =c/A/"_cresc."F/A/|=c/A/F/A/ =c/A/F/A/|"_mf"ed d=c|"_mp"BB =c^c| V:2 D2 A"_cresc."F|DF A2|"_mf"=cB BA|G2 z2| V:3 A4|"_cresc."A4|"_mf"G2 F2|G2 z2| V:4 D,4|"_cresc."D,4|"_mf"=C,2 D,2|G,,2 z2| % V:1 dB GB|dB GB|ed =cB|A2 "_f"g2| V:2 "_mp"vG2 GD|B,D GD|B,2 ED|=C2 "_f"E2| V:3 "_mp"vB4|B4|B4|A4| V:4 "_mp"vG,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|G,,2 B,,2|A,,2 "_f"A,,2| % V:1 ff/f/ ufue|dd ef|g/a/g/f/ g/a/g/f/|[1g"_mp"B =c^c:|[2g4|] V:2 DD/D/ uDuE|FF ED|=CE DF|[1G2 z2:|[2G4|] V:3 "_f"D2 DD/D/|D2 DD/D/|E2 D2|[1D2 z2:|[2D2D2|] V:4 D,2 D,2|D,2 D,2|E,2 D,2|[1D,2 z2:|[2D,2 D,2|] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
