Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Frank Nordberg wrote: So John hasn't got my last message either then... It's a rather special document containing ABC transcriptions of a privately owned late 18th/ealry 19th Century tune book. Definitely not something you'll find mirrored all over the web. I got your first message, and sent Mark Fitzsimons' email address to John off-list. I got your repeat message, but not the message describing the document. It's been very quiet on the list for a while now - is that because it's summer/exam season or because a lot of messages have got lost? Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Frank Nordberg wrote: John Chambers wrote: | One document - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/winder.html - with | 144 tunes is missing, though. Maybe I should post the tunes at Musica | Viva. Does anybody know anything about copyright laws for that kind of things? Probably not much different for you than for the original site, unless some of the tunes were written by the site's owner. So John hasn't got my last message either then... It's a rather special document containing ABC transcriptions of a privately owned late 18th/ealry 19th Century tune book. Definitely not something you'll find mirrored all over the web. I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc) or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, or is it a third thing (_was_ it. Damn. perhaps we'll never know) ? -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Frank Nordberg writes: | So John hasn't got my last message either then... | | It's a rather special document containing ABC transcriptions of a | privately owned late 18th/ealry 19th Century tune book. Definitely not | something you'll find mirrored all over the web. Nope; I don't seem to have any such message. This sounds like something that might be better on your web site, with just the URL posted to the list. Do you know about the tradtunes list? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... That's the one. I didn't realize it came from you site, Richard. The way it was presented at the Geocities web site made it look like an original for that site. Anyways, seems there's no real problem after all then. Everything at the SoHo/9618/ site is present elsewhere on the web. ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. or is it a third thing (_was_ it. Damn. perhaps we'll never know) Yes we do know. I have a copy of the entire page - even tried to post the damn thing at abcusers. --- John Chambers wrote: Nope; I don't seem to have any such message. This sounds like something that might be better on your web site, with just the URL posted to the list. Well it's not that important after all, since it turns out Richard's already got it. Do you know about the tradtunes list? No, I don't. Should I? Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Frank Nordberg wrote: Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... That's the one. I didn't realize it came from you site, Richard. The way it was presented at the Geocities web site made it look like an original for that site. Anyways, seems there's no real problem after all then. Everything at the SoHo/9618/ site is present elsewhere on the web. ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. The usual unfortunate combination. Grab a copy, don't check for updates, and fail to attribute so that anybody who copies from that site can't check for themselves. It's several years since the last 3 tunes were added. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I posted this reply yesterday, but it seems it has got lost somewhere on the web. It'll probably pop up sonner or later, but just in case: I saw this post yesterday Frank, so I'm not quite sure what's going on there ... Steve Mansfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lesession.demon.co.uk - abc music notation tutorial and other goodies To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
| I posted this reply yesterday, but it seems it has got lost somewhere on | the web. It'll probably pop up sonner or later, but just in case: I got both of them. Maybe the list isn't sending you your own messages? Or maybe it's still wandering around out there somewhere. | John Chambers wrote: | The most recent run of my tune finder's search bot saw a loss of over | 7000 tunes, which got my attention. It turns out that it was mostly | due to a drop of 9000 tunes at www.geocities.com. Much of the loss | seems to have been in the directory www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, | which now contains no file whose name starts with a letter after 'h'. | | That'll be the Ceili House Band's tune collection. Don't worry. It's all | duplicated at the band's main site: | http://members.aol.com/boynehunt/themusic.html Good. I have that one in my indexes. | One document - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/winder.html - with | 144 tunes is missing, though. Maybe I should post the tunes at Musica | Viva. Does anybody know anything about copyright laws for that kind of things? Probably not much different for you than for the original site, unless some of the tunes were written by the site's owner. There does seem to be a lot of mirroring of others' abc tunes. So far I haven't heard of any problems with it, other than the obvious observation of the difficulty of getting typos fixed. In a few cases, I've put up a copy of someone else's tune with added chords, when they didn't have chords. I also include the URL of the original in such cases. For a couple of the tunes, I've mentioned this to the composers, and so far they've never objected. (If they did, I'd remove the tune, but I get the impression that most people enjoy seeing their tunes around on the net like this.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
I posted this reply yesterday, but it seems it has got lost somewhere on the web. It'll probably pop up sonner or later, but just in case: John Chambers wrote: The most recent run of my tune finder's search bot saw a loss of over 7000 tunes, which got my attention. It turns out that it was mostly due to a drop of 9000 tunes at www.geocities.com. Much of the loss seems to have been in the directory www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, which now contains no file whose name starts with a letter after 'h'. That'll be the Ceili House Band's tune collection. Don't worry. It's all duplicated at the band's main site: http://members.aol.com/boynehunt/themusic.html One document - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/winder.html - with 144 tunes is missing, though. Maybe I should post the tunes at Musica Viva. Does anybody know anything about copyright laws for that kind of things? Geocities is becoming somewhat known for snafus, but this does seem a bit strange. I looked around a bit, but couldn't discover any email address associated with this tune collection. Does anyone know who it belongs to? On a somewhat smaller scale, there used to be a few dozen tunes at www.celticmusic.co.nz, and they've all disappeared. Does anyone recognize this site, or know who it belonged to? Did they maybe move somewhere? That site belonged to someone named Mark Fitzsimons, and contained music in Celtic style composed by the webmaster. He is also supposed to have a home page at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markf/ but that's only an empty directory at the moment. A Google search for Mark Fitzsimons comes up with 96 hits, so I suppose it shouldn't be too hard to track him down. Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
John Chambers wrote: The most recent run of my tune finder's search bot saw a loss of over 7000 tunes, which got my attention. It turns out that it was mostly due to a drop of 9000 tunes at www.geocities.com. Much of the loss seems to have been in the directory www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, which now contains no file whose name starts with a letter after 'h'. That'll be the Ceili House Band's tune collection. Don't worry. It's all duplicated at the band's main site: http://members.aol.com/boynehunt/themusic.html One document - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/winder.html - with 144 tunes is missing, though. Maybe I should post the tunes at Musica Viva. Does anybody know anything about copyright laws for that kind of things? Geocities is becoming somewhat known for snafus, but this does seem a bit strange. I looked around a bit, but couldn't discover any email address associated with this tune collection. Does anyone know who it belongs to? On a somewhat smaller scale, there used to be a few dozen tunes at www.celticmusic.co.nz, and they've all disappeared. Does anyone recognize this site, or know who it belonged to? Did they maybe move somewhere? That site belonged to someone named Mark Fitzsimons, and contained music in Celtic style composed by the webmaster. He is also supposed to have a home page at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markf/ but that's only an empty directory at the moment. A Google search for Mark Fitzsimons comes up with 96 hits, so I suppose it shouldn't be too hard to track him down. Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
If that person needs a new home for their abc files, have them contact me. I'll give them server space for free. Just my little way of trying to help support the abc format. Toby On Thu, 31 May 2001, John Chambers wrote: The most recent run of my tune finder's search bot saw a loss of over 7000 tunes, which got my attention. It turns out that it was mostly due to a drop of 9000 tunes at www.geocities.com. Much of the loss seems to have been in the directory www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, which now contains no file whose name starts with a letter after 'h'. Geocities is becoming somewhat known for snafus, but this does seem a bit strange. I looked around a bit, but couldn't discover any email address associated with this tune collection. Does anyone know who it belongs to? On a somewhat smaller scale, there used to be a few dozen tunes at www.celticmusic.co.nz, and they've all disappeared. Does anyone recognize this site, or know who it belonged to? Did they maybe move somewhere? These were the only sites that lost tunes this time. The overall totals were: TUNES diff | TITLES diff | FILES diff | HOST 82378 -7049 | 92635 -8122 | 30849 1206 | TOTAL The file cou increasing while the tune count decreases is explained by the fact that most of the disappearances are large files with lots of tunes, while most of the new files contain only a single tune. There were the usual couple dozen sites whose counts increased, including more than 700 at www.capecod.net/~bblack/, plus 300 at www.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/abc/ which puts his count at over 1000 tunes. The geocities collection does seem to be mostly a mirror of other people's files, so there were probably few actual tunes lost. But mirrors are valuable when the network gets flakey, which is all too common, so it's useful to keep sites like this in working order. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
