Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge
Sounds as though they are making progress which is a good thing. I will try this latest one with Supernova in the next day or so and let you all know if it behaves the same way. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: David Goldfield Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:43 AM To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge Hello. This is regarding Libreoffice 3.6.4 and its support for assistive technology. I'm using a Windows 7 Pro 32-bit machine installing the latest version of Java from the Ninite installer; JAB is enabled via the control panel under Ease of Access. My screen reader is NVDA 2012.3. While installing this latest version I was careful to check the box for enabling support for assistive technology. When I loaded Writer I received no feedback while navigating through menus. I know the keystrokes for enabling a.t. support in the Options dialog and I did this and then restarted Writer: this time I received a little more feedback. This means that it is likely that a.t. support was in fact disabled even though I checked the appropriate box during installation. I have checked with a sighted person who verifies that a.t. support is enabled in the options dialog. While menus spoke and I can receive text feedback while moving through a document dialog boxes are usually silent except for standard dialogs such as the Open dialog. As an example when I press alt-f4 I am prompted on whether I want to save changes to my open document. when I press the tab key I hear nothing where I should hear the names of the buttons as they gain focus. I also notice that when Writer opens I rarely receive feedback in the first document. when I open subsequent documents some audio feedback is presented. Can anyone verify these findings? David Goldfield Computer Technology Instructor 919 Walnut Street 4th Floor Philadelphia, PA 19107 215-627-0600 ext 3277 FAX: 215-922-0692 dgold...@asb.orgmailto:dgold...@asb.org www.asb.orghttp://www.asb.org/ [cid:642253614@06122012-0D58] Serving Philadelphia's and the nation's blind and visually impaired population since 1874. [cid:642253614@06122012-0D5F]http://facebook.com/pages/Associated-Services-for-the-Blind/234389409941928 [cid:642253614@06122012-0D66] http://twitter.com/ASBPhiladelphia -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge
David, Yes the dev's have restored ( ref fdo#53474 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) Java Access Bridge support between UNO Accessibility API and Java Accessibility. Unfortunately the Support assistive technology check box during installation ( fdo#39833 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39833 ) is not having the desired result of fully enabling AT on initial launch. The actual changes made by selecting the check box are a bit convoluted and have to do with setting a Windows Environment Variable in the Windows Registry that is then supposed to flag creation of the EnableATToolSupport accessibility stanza in each users LibreOffice profile registry file--registrymodification.xcu I believe the problem is that on first launch, the JRE is not fully specified and so the accessibility stanza is not added to the registry. Also, even with JAB activated and accessibility roles exposed, as verified with JavaMonkey/JavaFerret, NVDA 2012.2.1 and 2012.3 have had problems entering a LibreOffice document--requiring restart of NVDA. I've added this exchange to the fdo#39833 Bugzilla report. In the meanwhile--the old standby of adding a Windows Registry value for the HKEY_CURRENT_USER will insert the correct stanza into each users LibreOffice profile registry. Copy the below text into a new file and name it with a .REG extension. The batch file will insert the correct value in the Windows Registry for each user who runs it. Stuart --snip--- Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\LibreOffice\Accessibility\AtToolSupport] SupportAssistiveTechnology=true ---snip--- -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Latest-LibreOffice-and-Java-access-Bridge-tp4022968p4022987.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge
Should have included a second Bugzilla report ( fdo#56704 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56704 ) that is related. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-Latest-LibreOffice-and-Java-access-Bridge-tp4022968p4022988.html Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: off-list wb!! Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge
Tom, Hi. Haven't gone anywhere. Just not much to correspond about. I've been lurking over on Apache OpenOffice lists which are struggling to bring together devs, qa and infrastructure with their graduation. Unfortunately, the winaccessibility IAccessible2 implementation of the IBM Symphony contribution (or the rest of Symphony base line) did not get picked up for inclusion in the current development effort. So it has NOT been released as open source and the responsible IBM devs are working on their contributions in house. That is bad for LibreOffice because there has been some reluctance to start from scratch on building a native bridge for Windows OS implementing IAccessible2 - UNO Accessibility API anticipating the IBM contribution would be released near term. So, we'll either have to continue to wait. Or one of our LibreOffice developers would need to take an interest and use either the NSAccessibility (OSX) or AT/ATK (Linux GNOME) bridge as a model to expose the UNO Accessibility API roles as IAccessible2 for the Windows builds. But, what really should happen is that the UNO Accessibility API should be scrubbed for additional functionality--adjusting the NSAccessibility and AT/ATK bridges accordingly--and a new Windows bridge conceived. It could be IAccessible2/MSAA based or even Microsoft UIAutomation/IAccessibleEx based. Point is that the base line UNO Accessibility API does need some additional work. And since it is the framework for ALL LibreOffice Accessibility the development could be spread across a broader pool of developers and done correctly. Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:29 AM To: V Stuart Foote Subject: off-list wb!! Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge Hi :) Great to find you on the list again! Also good about the positive news but the main thing is finding a new post from you chap. Hopefully a few other people might start posting again now if i haven't scared them off again already. Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: off-list wb!! Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest LibreOffice and Java access Bridge
From: Christophe Strobbe [mailto:stro...@hdm-stuttgart.de] Am Do, 6.12.2012, 19:18 schrieb V Stuart Foote: Unfortunately, the winaccessibility IAccessible2 implementation of the IBM Symphony contribution (or the rest of Symphony base line) did not get picked up for inclusion in the current development effort. So it has NOT been released as open source and the responsible IBM devs are working on their contributions in house. What do you mean by not been releases as open source? I thought the IAccessible2 code had been sitting in the Child Work Spaces: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/. IBM would not remove their copyright and proprietary headers on the code posted as the Symphony contribution branch during incubator status. So never really released, and some might argue never really contributed. But, what really should happen is that the UNO Accessibility API should be scrubbed for additional functionality--adjusting the NSAccessibility and AT/ATK bridges accordingly--and a new Windows bridge conceived. It could be IAccessible2/MSAA based or even Microsoft UIAutomation/IAccessibleEx based. Creating a bridge to UIAutomation would mean developing that from scratch, unlike integrating the IAccessible2 code... Exactly! But since there are continuing issues with the UNO Accessibility API, taking time no for reworking it (fixing short falls for NSAccessibility and AT/ATK) while conceiving and implementing a replacement Windows bridge (not using IBMs IAccessible2 contribution when/if it finally is made) should result in better AT support across all platforms. Stuart =-=-= V Stuart Foote LibreOffice QA volunteer - a11y Apache OpenOffice QA volunteer - a11y Systems Analyst Geological Sciences The University of Texas at San Antonio -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
