Re: marked up webwords for PA3
On Thursday 04 October 2012, Carl Symons wrote: attached. With track changes turned on. The announcement text has also been reviewed and edited. https://promo.notes.kde.org/84 Carl thanks for it :) -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: marked up webwords for PA3
On Thursday 04 October 2012 18:06:22 Carl Symons wrote: - The webwords have a whole paragraph on recommendations, which are simply not included in PA3. Tracking of user behavior is there, but it currently isn't used anywhere (or is there a place I missed) because the recommendation overlay was deactivated. People looking for the recommendations would be in for a big disappointment, so I'm not sure if we should mention them. It should come out. However, I just looked at the PA3 RC. It has the recommendation tab, but perhaps it doesn't really do anything. If that is the case, then the write up should be changed. I see, looks like it's made its way in again. Iirc it was removed before because it didn't work as expected yet. @Ivan: Do the recommendations work as expected by now or were they put back in by accident? - I still don't think we should market Calligra Active in the announcement like it's a full-fledged office suite. It is an office document _viewer_ (with great compatibility for all kinds of office formats), no more, no less. Sure we're not exactly lying because we don't mention editing explicitly, but I still think that people reading this announcement would expect editing capabilities and think something is broken when they start Calligra Active and find no way to create or edit documents. Calligra Active's badly designed home screen will only add to the confusion because it looks as if you could create documents there, but you can't. I'm not a marketer so I don't know how much over-hyping is adequate, none. Okay, so we're on the same page here :) Re: featuring Calligra Active in the announcement... The announcement certainly gave me the impression that it is a full office suite...Calligra Active provides wordprocessor, spreadsheet, presentation and several other applications geared towards professional, as well as personal use. Just now playing with the latest version...Calligra Words, Sheets and Stage are in the launcher. As are Calligra Active and Mobile. Someone who's familiar with the use of these in Plasma Active should say how well they work with only a touch interface. Erm, they are not supposed to be in the launcher, only Calligra Active is (and that's the case in the Mer image). Only Calligra Active works well on Plasma Active, the others are the desktop versions which are understandably horrible on a touchscreen. No hype please. Not sometime down the road. What can they do now for users? We should under-promise and over-deliver. I just fear disappointed and angry users who don't get what they were promised. PA3 is awesome with what it actually _can_ do, I don't think we should advertise things it can't. This is correct. I agree completely, although I haven't explored all the possibilities so I don't know the extent of awesome. I have not used the Calligra apps for more than just messing around. And Calligra Active for viewing documents works well. Let me know what the scoop is and I'll rewrite it. Calligra Active is for viewing text documents, spreadsheets and presentations (and in the case of presentations, actually presenting them ;) ). It offers very good compatibility with MS Office as well as Open Document files which is rare in the mobile space. There are no editing or creation features at all, however. The desktop Calligra applications should not show up in the launcher on Active, they're only installed to serve as engines for Calligra Active and are not supposed to be used in Plasma Active. I hope that helps. Thomas ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: marked up webwords for PA3
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer colo...@autistici.org wrote: On Thursday 04 October 2012 18:06:22 Carl Symons wrote: - The webwords have a whole paragraph on recommendations, which are simply not included in PA3. Tracking of user behavior is there, but it currently isn't used anywhere (or is there a place I missed) because the recommendation overlay was deactivated. People looking for the recommendations would be in for a big disappointment, so I'm not sure if we should mention them. It should come out. However, I just looked at the PA3 RC. It has the recommendation tab, but perhaps it doesn't really do anything. If that is the case, then the write up should be changed. I see, looks like it's made its way in again. Iirc it was removed before because it didn't work as expected yet. @Ivan: Do the recommendations work as expected by now or were they put back in by accident? - I still don't think we should market Calligra Active in the announcement like it's a full-fledged office suite. It is an office document _viewer_ (with great compatibility for all kinds of office formats), no more, no less. Sure we're not exactly lying because we don't mention editing explicitly, but I still think that people reading this announcement would expect editing capabilities and think something is broken when they start Calligra Active and find no way to create or edit documents. Calligra Active's badly designed home screen will only add to the confusion because it looks as if you could create documents there, but you can't. I'm not a marketer so I don't know how much over-hyping is adequate, none. Okay, so we're on the same page here :) Re: featuring Calligra Active in the announcement... The announcement certainly gave me the impression that it is a full office suite...Calligra Active provides wordprocessor, spreadsheet, presentation and several other applications geared towards professional, as well as personal use. Just now playing with the latest version...Calligra Words, Sheets and Stage are in the launcher. As are Calligra Active and Mobile. Someone who's familiar with the use of these in Plasma Active should say how well they work with only a touch interface. Erm, they are not supposed to be in the launcher, only Calligra Active is (and that's the case in the Mer image). Only Calligra Active works well on Plasma Active, the others are the desktop versions which are understandably horrible on a touchscreen. By in the Launcher I mean that I can enter Calligra in the search box and those applications appear. So given the way that civilians will interact with the tablet, it is probably not a concern. Carl No hype please. Not sometime down the road. What can they do now for users? We should under-promise and over-deliver. I just fear disappointed and angry users who don't get what they were promised. PA3 is awesome with what it actually _can_ do, I don't think we should advertise things it can't. This is correct. I agree completely, although I haven't explored all the possibilities so I don't know the extent of awesome. I have not used the Calligra apps for more than just messing around. And Calligra Active for viewing documents works well. Let me know what the scoop is and I'll rewrite it. Calligra Active is for viewing text documents, spreadsheets and presentations (and in the case of presentations, actually presenting them ;) ). It offers very good compatibility with MS Office as well as Open Document files which is rare in the mobile space. There are no editing or creation features at all, however. The desktop Calligra applications should not show up in the launcher on Active, they're only installed to serve as engines for Calligra Active and are not supposed to be used in Plasma Active. I hope that helps. Thomas ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: marked up webwords for PA3
On Saturday 06 October 2012 00:00:03 Ivan Čukić wrote: @Ivan: Do the recommendations work as expected by now or were they put back in by accident? They worked as they were designed to for a long time - showing high scored documents. Okay. But, now that there /are/ high scored documents in the resource browser, I don't really thing we need recommendations any more. (IMO, it was always the wrong UI choice to place them there) If by resource browser you mean the Top category in the Add Items dialog: That one mysteriously disappeared recently. I don't know why. Marco? I agree that this is a better place for them. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: marked up webwords for PA3
On Friday 05 October 2012 14:57:33 Carl Symons wrote: Erm, they are not supposed to be in the launcher, only Calligra Active is (and that's the case in the Mer image). Only Calligra Active works well on Plasma Active, the others are the desktop versions which are understandably horrible on a touchscreen. By in the Launcher I mean that I can enter Calligra in the search box and those applications appear. So given the way that civilians will interact with the tablet, it is probably not a concern. Well, I don't think just blacklisting desktop files is actually the proper way to prevent users from launching applications which are installed but not supposed to be used, but I agree we can probably live with that for now. There are few enough applications in the launcher by default that most people probably won't need the search. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
marked up webwords for PA3
attached. With track changes turned on. The announcement text has also been reviewed and edited. https://promo.notes.kde.org/84 Carl PlasmaActiveThreeWebWords.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: marked up webwords for PA3
On Thursday, October 04, 2012 14:54:40 Carl Symons wrote: attached. With track changes turned on. Very good, thanks a lot! The announcement text has also been reviewed and edited. https://promo.notes.kde.org/84 I can put it on the website, Marco, Ivan, are your latest changes online? -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
