Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

2006-06-09 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]

Nominations for sucky apps are always welcome at www.threatcode.com


Noah Eiger wrote:

Thanks all for the thoughts. I think that the thing I will need to 
communicate to these folks is simply the tradeoffs and the risks. They 
run many apps that force full admin rights on the workstations and 
have concluded that this is an acceptable risk. We’ll see what they 
say. In the end, I feel okay about it if they are fully cognizant of 
the risks and then accept them. Maybe I’ll put something in about 
double the hourly rate for cleanup ;-)


 


-- nme

 

P.S. Brian, could you elaborate on the inexpensive NAC products? I see 
that IAS will be a RADIUS provider to 802.1x switches. Is there a 
feature set within the IOS that can handle this (Catalyst 29xx and 
35xx) or is it a separate device?


 




*From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:05 PM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

 

*They’re keeping me a little busy down at the fun factory, so I’m up 
pretty late. Actually I just flew back in yesterday from a client so I 
was handling backlog.*


* *

*How is .1x cost prohibitive. Have you looked at the NAC products most 
major VPN providers have to handle your fears about viruses and such? 
Also realize you don’t need to open a lot of the ports representative 
of that sort of stuff. Lock it down by job role. *


* *

*Thanks,*

*Brian Desmond*

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

* *

*c - 312.731.3132*

* *

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Noah Eiger

*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:59 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

 


Thanks, Brian. Don’t you sleep? It’s late in Chicago ;-)

 

802.1x is the direction they are heading. Right now, it is 
cost-prohibitive. So the question is less “can I control this access” 
but “should I”? Is that over-reacting?


 

Again with the VPN. My thoughts were to push it with an MSI, so I see 
/how/ to control its distribution. The question is /should/ I limit it 
to just the domain computers? How big is the risk? If the risk from 
home computers is virus and malware, how do I justify preventing folks 
from running it on their home Macs?


 


Thanks.

 


-- nme

 




*From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:43 PM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

 

*My suggestion is that you implement 802.1x port auth to implement 
port based authentication. You can use this to implement guest vlans 
with the policy routing you describe.*


* *

*Isn’t the Cisco VPN a MSI? Use Group Policy or SMS if you have it. 
You can do some NAC stuff with Cisco VPN as well as the personal 
firewall built into it. *


* *

*I don’t see how you plan to prohibit OS X at least – put it on the 
guest vlan if you must, but, realize that the marketing, pr, etc 
people may live in a Mac world. *


* *

*Thanks,*

*Brian Desmond*

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

* *

*c - 312.731.3132*

* *

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Noah Eiger

*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:16 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

 


Hi:

 

I am facing some IT policy questions and wanted to get some 
perspectives. In each of these areas, I am trying determine how 
restrictive I need to be. The client has four sites connected over 
high-speed links. I have good backing from management but will 
undoubtedly get resistance on some of these.


 

The client is small, under 200 employees with most in one office. Some 
small field offices are not managed (i.e., have workgroup networks, 
often with a small server, but no AD). There are no SOX requirements 
and the data are not sensitive (e.g., no credit cards). Almost 
entirely Windows XP; all DC’s run W2k3.


 


Any thoughts on these topics welcome.

 

_Connecting to the wired network_. They do not run any IDS or 
machine-based authentication. Given that, written policy carries some 
weight. I want to require all non-domain machines to connect only to a 
“public” VLAN that goes only to the Internet. I would apply this even 
to staff “personal” computers, those of contractors (including me), 
and machines from those field offices that are not on the domain.


 

_VPN_. They run a Cisco VPN. I want to distribute the client only to 
domain-based machines. Others want the client for their home 
computers, etc.


 

_Other Operating Systems_. I don’t want to allow other OS’s on the 
network, unless we manage them. But what is the threat posed by a 
Linux or OS X box on the network?


 


As always, many thanks.

 


-- nme

 

 

 


--
No virus found in this outgoing 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Desmond








NAC != .1x. 



The 3560 will certainly do the port based auth, and I believe
the 2950 will as well. I have the configs around. Its pretty well explained in
the config guide, though. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



c - 312.731.3132









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts







Thanks all for the thoughts. I
think that the thing I will need to communicate to these folks is simply the
tradeoffs and the risks. They run many apps that force full admin rights on the
workstations and have concluded that this is an acceptable risk. Well see what
they say. In the end, I feel okay about it if they are fully cognizant of the
risks and then accept them. Maybe Ill put something in about double the hourly
rate for cleanup ;-)



-- nme



P.S. Brian, could you elaborate on
the inexpensive NAC products? I see that IAS will be a RADIUS provider to
802.1x switches. Is there a feature set within the IOS that can handle this
(Catalyst 29xx and 35xx) or is it a separate device?















From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:05 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts





Theyre keeping me a little busy down at the fun factory, so Im
up pretty late. Actually I just flew back in yesterday from a client so I was
handling backlog.



How is .1x cost prohibitive. Have you looked at the NAC products
most major VPN providers have to handle your fears about viruses and such? Also
realize you dont need to open a lot of the ports representative of that sort
of stuff. Lock it down by job role. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



c - 312.731.3132









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:59 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts







Thanks,
Brian. Dont you sleep? Its late in Chicago ;-)



802.1x is
the direction they are heading. Right now, it is cost-prohibitive. So the
question is less can I control this access but should I? Is that over-reacting?



Again with
the VPN. My thoughts were to push it with an MSI, so I see how to
control its distribution. The question is should I limit it to just the
domain computers? How big is the risk? If the risk from home computers is virus
and malware, how do I justify preventing folks from running it on their home
Macs?



Thanks.



-- nme



















From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:43 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts





My suggestion is that you implement 802.1x port auth to
implement port based authentication. You can use this to implement guest vlans
with the policy routing you describe.



Isnt the Cisco VPN a MSI? Use Group Policy or SMS if you have
it. You can do some NAC stuff with Cisco VPN as well as the personal firewall
built into it. 



I dont see how you plan to prohibit OS X at least  put it on
the guest vlan if you must, but, realize that the marketing, pr, etc people may
live in a Mac world. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



c - 312.731.3132









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts







Hi:



I am facing some IT policy
questions and wanted to get some perspectives. In each of these areas, I am
trying determine how restrictive I need to be. The client has four sites connected
over high-speed links. I have good backing from management but will undoubtedly
get resistance on some of these.



The client is small, under 200
employees with most in one office. Some small field offices are not managed
(i.e., have workgroup networks, often with a small server, but no AD). There
are no SOX requirements and the data are not sensitive (e.g., no credit cards).
Almost entirely Windows XP; all DCs run W2k3.



Any thoughts on these topics
welcome.



Connecting to the wired network.
They do not run any IDS or machine-based authentication. Given that, written
policy carries some weight. I want to require all non-domain machines to
connect only to a public VLAN that goes only to the Internet. I would apply
this even to staff personal computers, those of contractors (including me),
and machines from those field offices that are not on the domain.



VPN. They run a Cisco VPN.
I want to distribute the client only to domain-based machines. Others want the
client for their home computers, etc.



Other Operating Systems. I
dont want to allow other OSs on the network, unless we manage them. But what
is the threat posed by a Linux or OS X box on the network?



As always, many 

Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Yann
Hello Tony,

Very usefull information ! Thanks.
i enabled this config:
15 Field Engineering to 5
Expensive Search Results Threshold to 1

Here arethe LDAP operation, :

1644INFORMATIONALNTDS GeneralFri Jun 09 09:55:16 2006childdomain\user1Internal event: A client issued a search operation with the following options. Client:11.22.33.44 Starting node: OU=MyOU OU=myou1DC=childdomainDC=parentDomain DC=rootDC=fr Filter: (objectClass=user) Search scope: subtree Attribute selection: givenNamesAMAccountNamesn Server controls: Visited entries: 63 Returned entries: 58 

Followed by this:
1139INFORMATIONALNTDS LDAPFri Jun 09 09:55:16 2006childdomain\user1Internal event: Function ldap_search completed with an elapsed time of 16 ms.

= for 63 visited entries, only 58 are returned and the ldap search lasted16 ms (Sometimes the ldap search took 140 ms...).

Questions: 
Would the IDs 1644 + 1139 tell me that the web app. is performing Inefficient and Expensive LDAP Query to my DC ? 

Thanks for advices,

Yann


 Message d'origine De : Tony Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Mercredi, 7 Juin 2006, 11h16mn 33sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.




Hi Yann

One option would be to enable logging of all LDAP searches against the DC.

http://www.activedir.org/article.aspx?aid=97

Tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of YannSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 6:39 a.m.To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


Hello ,



I need advices about troubleshooting LDAP connections to one of my DC in my AD2k3.

An application named ZOPE running on a linux box accesses my DC.

Users use a web page, viaZOPE application, that connect to my DC to list users information. Sometimes, users are disconnected to my DC and the admin that is responsible for the ZOPE app. called me to resolve this issue.



What arethe different steps to tshoot possible problem with LDAP connections to my DC ?



Thanks in advance for help,



Yann


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[ActiveDir] FW: OT: Exchange OMA

2006-06-09 Thread ActiveDir








Hi, This is a bit off topic but one
of my colleagues is trying to establish if anyone has any experience of the
following issue when using OMA. This is his posting from other
newsgroups. As yet he has had no response. I know this list
is quite good even off topic so I offered to post here too.



Cheers in advance.





I have a single Exchange 2003 SP2 Server
that is also a GC running Windows

Server 2003 SP1.



The Server is setup for forms based
authentication and requires SSL for OWA.



Access to OMA is not working with the
following event being logged on the

exchange server every time the OMA app
fails.



Event Type: Error

Event Source: MSExchangeOMA

Event Category: (1000)

Event ID: 1503

Date: 02/06/2006

Time: 14:24:51

User: N/A

Computer: FLINTJACK

Description:

An unknown error occurred while processing
the current request:

Message: Input string was not in a correct
format.

Source: mscorlib

Stack trace:

 at
System.Number.ParseInt32(String s, NumberStyles style,

NumberFormatInfo info)

 at
System.Web.Mobile.MobileCapabilities.get_ScreenCharactersWidth()

 at
Microsoft.Exchange.OMA.UserInterface.MainMenu.OnInit(EventArgs e)

 at
System.Web.UI.Control.InitRecursive(Control namingContainer)

 at
System.Web.UI.Control.AddedControl(Control control, Int32 index)

 at
System.Web.UI.MobileControls.MobilePage.AddedControl(Control control,

Int32 index)

 at
System.Web.UI.ControlCollection.Add(Control child)

 at
Microsoft.Exchange.OMA.UserInterface.Page.Page_Load(Object sender,

EventArgs e)

 at
System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e)

 at
System.Web.UI.MobileControls.MobilePage.OnLoad(EventArgs e)

 at
System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive()

 at
System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain()



Message: Exception of type
System.Web.HttpUnhandledException was thrown.

Source: System.Web

Stack trace:

 at
System.Web.UI.Page.HandleError(Exception e)

 at
System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain()

 at
System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequest()

 at System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequest(HttpContext
context)

 at

System.Web.CallHandlerExecutionStep.System.Web.HttpApplication+IExecutionStep.Execute()

 at
System.Web.HttpApplication.ExecuteStep(IExecutionStep step, Boolean

completedSynchronously)





Also get the following in IE 6.0 SP2



A System error has occurred while
processing your request. Please try again.

If the problem persists, contact your
administrator.

Home



For more information, see Help and Support
Center at

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.



I have been through KBs 817379, 842119,
898131 all with no resolution.

The server is patched up with no critical
downloads available from Microsoft

and has the following hotfixes:

907747, 911829, 916640, 916803



The server is also running Trend Micro
Scanmail version 7.0 with the latest

pattern files and updates applied. I cannot
find anything in Trend Micro

KB's on this issue and there are no
warnings of any virus detections in

either this or the file virus scanner which
is Symantect Anti Virus version

10.1.0.394 and it is excluding the exchange
directories.



Interestingly if I test this locally using
localhost/oma it works perfectly

well until I try this remotely from another
server, then after the failure

from the other server I get the issue
locally as well and OMA stops working.



So it appears that something remotely is
causing the OMA application in the

ExchangeMobileBrowseApplicationPool to die.
Recycling the app pool allows me

to restart the application and this works again
locally. The identity for

this application pool is correctly set to
Network Service.



I have have no host headers and although
ASP 2.0 is installed the Web Sites

are all set to use ASP 1.1.



OWA works perfectly, I cannot test
ActiveSync as I have no device and I have

not setup an emulator.



It seems to me OMA is not as robust as
hoped as there are still lots of

issues arounf event ID 1503.



Any help appreciated.








RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread joe



When you change that threshhold you are specifying how 
expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.

Changing "Expensive" to 1, according to the docs means that 
as soon as a query has to look atone or more entries it will be logged. 
So when you turn down that value, you are telling it to log pretty much 
everything. 

That being said, unless you have changed your schema, 
objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes is generally 
considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that you are 
returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the same, I 
would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute or more 
likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around objectclass,indexing 
objectclass AND getting the query changed.

When you see big noticable deltas in how long the same 
query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could be at fault, 
possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is tied up with 
something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is that it has 
to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should be looking at 
your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to really look at 
disk counters because that is where it often falls down at. Things like disk 
queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops are usually a 
rounding error except during heavy population periods)are the things I 
immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't help, you have 
to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500 read ops may be 
just fine, but on others it could beover what the disk system is capable 
of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of thumbI start 
with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of the volume gives you 
100 IOPS capability. That can be generous so if you are on the edge keep that in 
mind, but if you are at 20 OPS and you have 8 spindles in a RAID 0+1 it is 
unlikely disk is your bottleneck[1] and the disk queues should bear that 
out.Of course I tend to focus on disk because I memory is almost always 
boosted up there because most people realize how important RAM is but only folks 
who think about Exchange tend to think about disk and the only guideline I have 
seen from MSFT recommends 3 RAID-1 sets for anything above several thousand 
users which I don't feel is very good. Again, as a general rule I would rather 
see a single RAID 0+1 (or even better if you don't care about faul tolerance a 
RAID 0) or RAID-5 than 3 RAID-1's. But this is all just recanting a zillion 
conversations we have had here on the list about disk layouts. 


 joe




[1] Virtualization really screws with this from the disk 
standpoint because you need to look at counters for the physical machine and 
while your DC may not be generating many read ops, if other virtual machines 
are, you could be slowed down considerably by those without the Read Ops 
reflecting much on the individual DC.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:31 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
Logging.


Hello 
Tony,

Very 
usefull information ! Thanks.
i 
enabled this config:
15 Field 
Engineering to 5
Expensive Search Results 
Threshold to 1

Here 
arethe LDAP operation, :

1644INFORMATIONALNTDS 
GeneralFri Jun 09 09:55:16 2006childdomain\user1Internal 
event: A client issued a search operation with the following 
options. 
Client:11.22.33.44 Starting node: OU=MyOU 
OU=myou1DC=childdomainDC=parentDomain 
DC=rootDC=fr Filter: 
(objectClass=user) Search scope: 
subtree Attribute selection: 
givenNamesAMAccountNamesn Server 
controls: Visited entries: 
63 Returned entries: 58 

Followed 
by this:
1139INFORMATIONALNTDS 
LDAPFri Jun 09 09:55:16 2006childdomain\user1Internal event: 
Function ldap_search completed with an elapsed time of 16 ms.

= 
for 63 visited entries, only 58 are returned and the ldap search 
lasted16 ms (Sometimes the ldap search took 140 ms...).

Questions: 

Would 
the IDs 1644 + 1139 tell me that the web app. is performing Inefficient and 
Expensive LDAP Query to my DC ? 

Thanks 
for advices,

Yann


 
Message d'origine De : Tony Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]À 
: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Mercredi, 7 Juin 2006, 11h16mn 
33sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.




Hi Yann

One option would be to enable logging of 
all LDAP searches against the DC.

http://www.activedir.org/article.aspx?aid=97

Tony
PS. We’re just loading a new version 
of the site, so it might take a few minutes before you can load the 
page.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
YannSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 6:39 a.m.To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
Logging.


Re: [ActiveDir] SBS and reducing downtime on crash

2006-06-09 Thread Bart Van den Wyngaert
Totally agree on the points said by Susan. Practive is important though, it's even documented by MS and that works just fine. And I use the built in backup, no issues poped up and I had the server up and running in now time!

On 6/8/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1.Go to TechEd 2006 in Boston2.Go to Jeff Middleton's Myths of DR on SBSAny questions?
Okay so seriously...3.Remember that under the hood we're AD.. so even though the big guysaround here cringe at a single DC, all on one box.. all the tricks forAD restoration still work.Okay Susan's first and foremost SBS rule of DR
1. Buy good hardware.I have been running SBS since SBS 4.0 and here's what nailed me in the pastNIC diedHub died (back when we did hubs)NIC diedSwitch diedHarddrive dropped off raid
Switch froze up required hard reset(just two weeks ago.. good excusefor upgrading to gig switches don't you think?)In all those years I've had minimal downtime.Notice that I've onlylost one drive and that was on my adaptec raid screaming like crazy but
the network still chugged just fine ..so these days I buy spare nics andharddrives.I've also always had SCSI drives, and with my current baby (HP) havethat lovely hardware monitoring stuff that sends me emails when the
hardware gets even a sniffle.Now I have a Dell OEM with IDE drives and it's not a server and you canso tell.The SATA drive ones are ... well ask us again in aboutanother year or so of the 'three year let's see how they do compared to
SCSI'.My home server is a cheap SATA HP but even that is better thanthe cheap Dell OEM version I got.Lesson 1 - buy HP.. buy good server quality hardware.2.Consider adding to that backup a drive image software
(okay someone go tell the Garage door guy, the AD guru and the Joewareguy to stick fingers in their ears and don't read this)We are only one DC.It's a little hard to have replication andtombstone issues when you only have one AD.Acronis may not say they
will support imaging a DC... but when you only have one... it's not abiggie and it works.We've done it.Heck we can even restore a systemstate that's getting gray hairs.When you only have one...sometimes
you can do things that in big server land you absolutely would neverever do.3.Consider adding a secondary DC.These days with virtual pc/server/vmware load up a server os on aworkstation even and park an additional domain controller to replicate
that AD.4.Practice that restore.A few days to get it back in the air?Worst case scenerio... Hurricane Katrina.. Jeff Middleton is from NewOrleans Louisiana.. you know what he found? (and I'm ccing him so he can
chat with you more directly).. ever try to buy a server hardware in acomputer store?He was buying MCE editions as they were the beefierones have offsite backups of mediaas he was scrambling in some
cases to get the right media.Sometimes it was the little things thatnailed him.Your worst case scenerio is replacing that hardware... bare metalrecovery in the 2k3 era is not the same as we had it in the 2k era with
the SFN issues.SBS is no different of a DR recovery than the big guys... it justmagnifies it is allIn a normal DR setup ... to get that back in the air.. on an SBS box?Not if you know what you are doing and have practiced.
5.Cold server rights.If you have SA you have cold serverrightsyou can park another server with a copy of the OS and thenturn it off and leave it.Okay now let's review some of that 'the firm is down'.
1.Cached credentials, cached outlook means that the server can dropoff the face of the earth and the workstations just kinda hang out untilit comes back on.2.Have alternative ways to get to key data.I have a robocopy that
pulls a copy of certain folders over to a spare drive on myworkstation.. Excel and Word docs.. should the gang absopositively needto get into a doc for a case, even if the server is down, we have aduplicate that can be gotten into.
But honestly we're no different of a DR story than the big guys..a tadmore complicated due to the all on one box... but the same rules applyRAIDHardwaredon't skimpPracticeDecide if you are not going to do the secondary DC and to a server
image...or do the secondary DC and don't image.and don't panic.and in my case I'm calling Jeff and paying him to bemy calm DR buddy should something occur...btw I don't like Veritas in a single SBS setup.. the built in SBS backup
works fine.. if you need to backup additional servers, then do VeritasQuatro Info wrote:Hi all,Have a general question / case.On small companies ( 10 - 20 employees), what config is the best to set the downtime in case of a crash to a minimum. Especially in
a SBS environment / small company.Lets keep it an easy example: -company has 15 employees -15 XP workstations -one SBS 2k3 server installed with all necessary tools etc..veritas backup exec / groupshield etc etc..
 -raid mirror installed -network is configured well...firewall / updates etcLets say all ingredients are 

[ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname

2006-06-09 Thread Tom Kern
My company wants to use a mail stubing app called Mailbox Manager from CA.

I've been going back and forth with the tech there.
He claims that, according to him, due to a limitation in WebDAV, one of the user's proxy addresses needs to be in the format of [EMAIL PROTECTED], for users to be able to see subfolders underneath their inbox in OWA.

I've never heard of such a limitation and think he may be talking about mailnickname(alias), but he inisits I'm wrong.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks


Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Yann
Good point Joe.

I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.
An nother question.

The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error "the serveur is down", where "the server" = mydc.
At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.

With the Field Engineeringset to5 andifthe web apptimed-out, willa LDAP error appear in my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured ?

Thanks for taking time to reply,

Cheers,

Yann

- Message d'origine De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


When you change that threshhold you are specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.

Changing "Expensive" to 1, according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look atone or more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that value, you are telling it to log pretty much everything. 

That being said, unless you have changed your schema, objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes is generally considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that you are returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the same, I would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute or more likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around objectclass,indexing objectclass AND getting the query changed.

When you see big noticable deltas in how long the same query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could be at fault, possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is tied up with something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is that it has to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should be looking at your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to really look at disk counters because that is where it often falls down at. Things like disk queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops are usually a rounding error except during heavy population periods)are the things I immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't help, you have to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500 read ops may be just fine, but on others it could beover what the
 disk system is capable of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of thumbI start with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of the volume gives you 100 IOPS capability. That can be generous so if you are on the edge keep that in mind, but if you are at 20 OPS and you have 8 spindles in a RAID 0+1 it is unlikely disk is your bottleneck[1] and the disk queues should bear that out.Of course I tend to focus on disk because I memory is almost always boosted up there because most people realize how important RAM is but only folks who think about Exchange tend to think about disk and the only guideline I have seen from MSFT recommends 3 RAID-1 sets for anything above several thousand users which I don't feel is very good. Again, as a general rule I would rather see a single RAID 0+1 (or even better if you don't care about faul tolerance a RAID 0) or RAID-5 than 3 RAID-1's. But this is all just recanting a zillion conversations we have had
 here on the list about disk layouts. 

 joe




[1] Virtualization really screws with this from the disk standpoint because you need to look at counters for the physical machine and while your DC may not be generating many read ops, if other virtual machines are, you could be slowed down considerably by those without the Read Ops reflecting much on the individual DC.


--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:31 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


Hello Tony,

Very usefull information ! Thanks.
i enabled this config:
15 Field Engineering to 5
Expensive Search Results Threshold to 1

Here arethe LDAP operation, :

1644INFORMATIONALNTDS GeneralFri Jun 09 09:55:16 2006childdomain\user1Internal event: A client issued a search operation with the following options. Client:11.22.33.44 Starting node: OU=MyOU OU=myou1DC=childdomainDC=parentDomain DC=rootDC=fr Filter: (objectClass=user) Search scope: subtree Attribute selection: givenNamesAMAccountNamesn Server controls: Visited entries: 63 Returned entries: 58 

Followed by this:
1139INFORMATIONALNTDS LDAPFri Jun 09 09:55:16 2006childdomain\user1Internal event: Function ldap_search completed with an elapsed time of 16 ms.

= for 63 visited entries, only 58 are returned and the ldap search lasted16 ms (Sometimes the ldap search took 140 ms...).

Questions: 
Would the IDs 1644 + 1139 tell me that the web app. is performing Inefficient and Expensive LDAP Query to my DC ? 

Thanks for advices,

Yann


 Message d'origine 

RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread joe



Unfortunately the logging is very basic, it will not log 
LDAP errors from anything I have seen. This is something I have asked for from 
MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP logging like you can enable with some of the 
other directories. Usually I hear a response of use event tracing but I haven't 
gotten had a chance to really dig deep into that yet to see how useful it will 
be. 

It depends on the code is displaying error messages bit 
possibly a query timed out? That could be indicative of a very poor query. By 
default, if a query goes more than 2 minutes, it will get 
dropped.



--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
Logging.


Good 
point Joe.

I 
will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.
An 
nother question.

The 
Web app timed out with thisgeneric error "the serveur is down", where "the 
server" = mydc.
At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about 
ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.

With 
the Field 
Engineeringset to5 andifthe web 
apptimed-out, willa LDAP error appear in my eventlogs that stated a 
disconnection occured ?

Thanks for taking time to reply,

Cheers,

Yann

- 
Message d'origine De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]À : 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 
26sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


When you change that threshhold you are specifying how 
expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.

Changing "Expensive" to 1, according to the docs means that 
as soon as a query has to look atone or more entries it will be logged. 
So when you turn down that value, you are telling it to log pretty much 
everything. 

That being said, unless you have changed your schema, 
objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes is generally 
considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that you are 
returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the same, I 
would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute or more 
likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around objectclass,indexing 
objectclass AND getting the query changed.

When you see big noticable deltas in how long the same 
query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could be at fault, 
possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is tied up with 
something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is that it has 
to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should be looking at 
your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to really look at 
disk counters because that is where it often falls down at. Things like disk 
queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops are usually a 
rounding error except during heavy population periods)are the things I 
immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't help, you have 
to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500 read ops may be 
just fine, but on others it could beover what the disk system is capable 
of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of thumbI start 
with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of the volume gives you 
100 IOPS capability. That can be generous so if you are on the edge keep that in 
mind, but if you are at 20 OPS and you have 8 spindles in a RAID 0+1 it is 
unlikely disk is your bottleneck[1] and the disk queues should bear that 
out.Of course I tend to focus on disk because I memory is almost always 
boosted up there because most people realize how important RAM is but only folks 
who think about Exchange tend to think about disk and the only guideline I have 
seen from MSFT recommends 3 RAID-1 sets for anything above several thousand 
users which I don't feel is very good. Again, as a general rule I would rather 
see a single RAID 0+1 (or even better if you don't care about faul tolerance a 
RAID 0) or RAID-5 than 3 RAID-1's. But this is all just recanting a zillion 
conversations we have had here on the list about disk layouts. 


 joe




[1] Virtualization really screws with this from the disk 
standpoint because you need to look at counters for the physical machine and 
while your DC may not be generating many read ops, if other virtual machines 
are, you could be slowed down considerably by those without the Read Ops 
reflecting much on the individual DC.


--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:31 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
Logging.


Hello 
Tony,

Very 
usefull information ! Thanks.
i 
enabled this config:
15 Field 
Engineering to 5
Expensive Search 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname

2006-06-09 Thread Coleman, Hunter



Empirical evidence suggests that he shouldn't be insisting 
so much. Very few of our users have a proxy address of [EMAIL PROTECTED], and 
we have no problems getting to subfolders via OWA. I'm sure you could take a 
test user account in your environment and duplicate 
this.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom 
KernSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:41 AMTo: 
activedirectorySubject: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 
mailnickname

My company wants to use a mail stubing app called "Mailbox Manager" from 
CA.

I've been going back and forth with the tech there.
He claims that, according to him, due to a limitation in WebDAV, one of the 
user's proxy addresses needs to be in the format of [EMAIL PROTECTED], for 
users to be able to see subfolders underneath their inbox in OWA. 
I've never heard of such a limitation and think he may be talking about 
"mailnickname"(alias), but he inisits I'm wrong.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks


Re: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname

2006-06-09 Thread Tom Kern
Thanks.
What about mailNickname?
Arethere any issues if mailNickname is different than sAMAccountName in re: to WebDAV?

Thanks again
On 6/9/06, Coleman, Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Empirical evidence suggests that he shouldn't be insisting so much. Very few of our users have a proxy address of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and we have no problems getting to subfolders via OWA. I'm sure you could take a test user account in your environment and duplicate this.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:41 AMTo: activedirectorySubject: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname



My company wants to use a mail stubing app called Mailbox Manager from CA.

I've been going back and forth with the tech there.
He claims that, according to him, due to a limitation in WebDAV, one of the user's proxy addresses needs to be in the format of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], for users to be able to see subfolders underneath their inbox in OWA. 
I've never heard of such a limitation and think he may be talking about mailnickname(alias), but he inisits I'm wrong.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks



Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Yann
Ok thanks.

When you said "..use event tracing ...", do you mean using Perfmon Trace Logs ?
- Message d'origine De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 4h34mn 33sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


Unfortunately the logging is very basic, it will not log LDAP errors from anything I have seen. This is something I have asked for from MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP logging like you can enable with some of the other directories. Usually I hear a response of use event tracing but I haven't gotten had a chance to really dig deep into that yet to see how useful it will be. 

It depends on the code is displaying error messages bit possibly a query timed out? That could be indicative of a very poor query. By default, if a query goes more than 2 minutes, it will get dropped.



--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


Good point Joe.

I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.
An nother question.

The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error "the serveur is down", where "the server" = mydc.
At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.

With the Field Engineeringset to5 andifthe web apptimed-out, willa LDAP error appear in my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured ?

Thanks for taking time to reply,

Cheers,

Yann

- Message d'origine De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.


When you change that threshhold you are specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.

Changing "Expensive" to 1, according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look atone or more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that value, you are telling it to log pretty much everything. 

That being said, unless you have changed your schema, objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes is generally considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that you are returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the same, I would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute or more likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around objectclass,indexing objectclass AND getting the query changed.

When you see big noticable deltas in how long the same query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could be at fault, possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is tied up with something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is that it has to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should be looking at your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to really look at disk counters because that is where it often falls down at. Things like disk queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops are usually a rounding error except during heavy population periods)are the things I immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't help, you have to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500 read ops may be just fine, but on others it could beover what the
 disk system is capable of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of thumbI start with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of the volume gives you 100 IOPS capability. That can be generous so if you are on the edge keep that in mind, but if you are at 20 OPS and you have 8 spindles in a RAID 0+1 it is unlikely disk is your bottleneck[1] and the disk queues should bear that out.Of course I tend to focus on disk because I memory is almost always boosted up there because most people realize how important RAM is but only folks who think about Exchange tend to think about disk and the only guideline I have seen from MSFT recommends 3 RAID-1 sets for anything above several thousand users which I don't feel is very good. Again, as a general rule I would rather see a single RAID 0+1 (or even better if you don't care about faul tolerance a RAID 0) or RAID-5 than 3 RAID-1's. But this is all just recanting a zillion conversations we have had
 here on the list about disk layouts. 

 joe




[1] Virtualization really screws with this from the disk standpoint because you need to look at counters for the physical machine and while your DC may not be generating many read ops, if other virtual machines are, you could be slowed down considerably by those without the Read Ops reflecting much on the individual DC.


--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:31 AMTo: 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname

2006-06-09 Thread Steve Rochford



We make mailnickname=alias=samaccountname. I'm pretty sure 
that we started making most of this happen when we renamed accounts a long time 
ago (possibly NT4/Exchange 5.5 long ago!) because we did get problems if the 
alias wasn't the same as samaccountname.

We do have an email address matching samaccountname for 
students but that was just to make sure it was unique (9 James Taylors; 9 Bharat 
Patels amongst other duplicates!) but we don't for staff.

Steve


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom 
KernSent: 09 June 2006 15:53To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 
mailnickname

Thanks.
What about mailNickname?
Arethere any issues if mailNickname is different than sAMAccountName 
in re: to WebDAV?

Thanks again
On 6/9/06, Coleman, 
Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

  
  
  Empirical 
  evidence suggests that he shouldn't be insisting so much. Very few of our 
  users have a proxy address of [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we have no problems getting 
  to subfolders via OWA. I'm sure you could take a test user account in your 
  environment and duplicate this.
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom 
  KernSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:41 AMTo: 
  activedirectorySubject: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 
  mailnickname
  
  
  My company wants to use a mail stubing app called "Mailbox Manager" from 
  CA.
  
  I've been going back and forth with the tech there.
  He claims that, according to him, due to a limitation in WebDAV, one of 
  the user's proxy addresses needs to be in the format of [EMAIL PROTECTED], for users to be able to see 
  subfolders underneath their inbox in OWA. 
  I've never heard of such a limitation and think he may be talking about 
  "mailnickname"(alias), but he inisits I'm wrong.
  
  Can anyone shed some light on this?
  
  Thanks
  


RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Steve Linehan








I would suggest taking a look at Server
Performance Advisor (SPA), assuming these are Windows Server 2003 DCs and using
it to collect and analyze the data for the DCs in question.  This tool combines
performance counters and the tracing data that Joe is referring to which will
allow you to get very detailed information on what is occurring.  This tool
will give you a peak into the new performance and monitoring capabilities that
we are adding into the next versions of the OS.  It will also give you hints on
what we believe the performance problems are.  One of these days when I get a
chance I will try to write a blog entry on all of the things you can do with
SPA.  By the way it also collects information for other server roles as well
such as IIS giving you tremendous amounts of detail found no where else.  Yes
event tracing is the future of not only performance monitoring but debugging
difficult issues.



You can download SPA from here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=09115420-8c9d-46b9-a9a5-9bffcd237da2DisplayLang=en




Thanks,



-Steve









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:35
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP
Logging.





Unfortunately the logging is very basic,
it will not log LDAP errors from anything I have seen. This is something I have
asked for from MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP logging like you can enable
with some of the other directories. Usually I hear a response of use event
tracing but I haven't gotten had a chance to really dig deep into that yet to
see how useful it will be. 



It depends on the code is displaying error
messages bit possibly a query timed out? That could be indicative of a very
poor query. By default, if a query goes more than 2 minutes, it will get
dropped.









--

O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm

















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yann
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP
Logging.





Good point Joe.











I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.





An nother question.











The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error the serveur is
down, where the server = mydc.





At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about
ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.











With the Field Engineeringset
to5 andifthe web apptimed-out, willa LDAP error
appear in my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured ?











Thanks for taking time to reply,











Cheers,











Yann











- Message d'origine

De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Envoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26s
Objet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

When you change that threshhold you are
specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.



Changing Expensive to 1,
according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look atone or
more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that value, you are
telling it to log pretty much everything. 



That being said, unless you have changed
your schema, objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes
is generally considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that
you are returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the
same, I would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute
or more likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around
objectclass,indexing objectclass AND getting the query changed.



When you see big noticable deltas in how
long the same query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could
be at fault, possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is
tied up with something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is
that it has to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should
be looking at your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to
really look at disk counters because that is where it often falls down at.
Things like disk queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops
are usually a rounding error except during heavy population periods)are
the things I immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't
help, you have to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500
read ops may be just fine, but on others it could beover what the disk
system is capable of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of
thumbI start with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of the
volume gives you 100 IOPS capability. That can be generous so if you are on the
edge keep that in mind, but if you are at 20 OPS and you have 8 spindles in a
RAID 0+1 it is unlikely disk is your bottleneck[1] and the disk queues should
bear that 

RE: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Steve Linehan








Perfomon trace logs will generate the raw
binary trace data but it has to be processed.  The easiest way to get at this
data is to use SPA which will collect the binary trace data and process it into
human readable format.



Thanks,



-Steve











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yann
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:09
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP
Logging.









Ok thanks.











When you said ..use event tracing ..., do you mean using Perfmon Trace Logs ?





- Message d'origine

De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Envoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 4h34mn 33s
Objet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

Unfortunately the logging is very basic,
it will not log LDAP errors from anything I have seen. This is something I have
asked for from MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP logging like you can enable
with some of the other directories. Usually I hear a response of use event
tracing but I haven't gotten had a chance to really dig deep into that yet to
see how useful it will be. 



It depends on the code is displaying error
messages bit possibly a query timed out? That could be indicative of a very
poor query. By default, if a query goes more than 2 minutes, it will get
dropped.









--

O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm

















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yann
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP
Logging.





Good point Joe.











I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.





An nother question.











The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error the serveur is
down, where the server = mydc.





At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about
ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.











With the Field Engineeringset
to5 andifthe web apptimed-out, willa LDAP error
appear in my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured ?











Thanks for taking time to reply,











Cheers,











Yann











- Message d'origine

De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Envoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26s
Objet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

When you change that threshhold you are
specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.



Changing Expensive to 1,
according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look atone or
more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that value, you are
telling it to log pretty much everything. 



That being said, unless you have changed
your schema, objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes
is generally considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that
you are returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the
same, I would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute
or more likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around
objectclass,indexing objectclass AND getting the query changed.



When you see big noticable deltas in how
long the same query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could
be at fault, possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is
tied up with something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is
that it has to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should
be looking at your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to
really look at disk counters because that is where it often falls down at.
Things like disk queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops
are usually a rounding error except during heavy population periods)are
the things I immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't
help, you have to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500
read ops may be just fine, but on others it could beover what the disk
system is capable of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of
thumbI start with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of
the volume gives you 100 IOPS capability. That can be generous so if you are on
the edge keep that in mind, but if you are at 20 OPS and you have 8 spindles in
a RAID 0+1 it is unlikely disk is your bottleneck[1] and the disk queues should
bear that out.Of course I tend to focus on disk because I memory is
almost always boosted up there because most people realize how important RAM is
but only folks who think about Exchange tend to think about disk and the only
guideline I have seen from MSFT recommends 3 RAID-1 sets for anything above
several thousand users which I don't feel is very good. Again, as a general
rule I would rather see a single RAID 0+1 (or even better if you don't care
about faul tolerance a RAID 0) or RAID-5 than 3 RAID-1's. But this is all just
recanting a zillion 

RE: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname

2006-06-09 Thread Coleman, Hunter



Not that I've run into, as far as accessing subfolders via 
OWA. Again, this would be very easy for you to confirm in your environment and 
throw back at the CA tech, though you might consider this a good indicator of 
what you're in for support-wise from them.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom 
KernSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:53 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 
mailnickname

Thanks.
What about mailNickname?
Arethere any issues if mailNickname is different than sAMAccountName 
in re: to WebDAV?

Thanks again
On 6/9/06, Coleman, 
Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

  
  
  Empirical 
  evidence suggests that he shouldn't be insisting so much. Very few of our 
  users have a proxy address of [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we have no problems getting 
  to subfolders via OWA. I'm sure you could take a test user account in your 
  environment and duplicate this.
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom 
  KernSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:41 AMTo: 
  activedirectorySubject: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 
  mailnickname
  
  
  My company wants to use a mail stubing app called "Mailbox Manager" from 
  CA.
  
  I've been going back and forth with the tech there.
  He claims that, according to him, due to a limitation in WebDAV, one of 
  the user's proxy addresses needs to be in the format of [EMAIL PROTECTED], for users to be able to see 
  subfolders underneath their inbox in OWA. 
  I've never heard of such a limitation and think he may be talking about 
  "mailnickname"(alias), but he inisits I'm wrong.
  
  Can anyone shed some light on this?
  
  Thanks
  


Re: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname

2006-06-09 Thread Al Mulnick
gets on soapbox 
Credentials should be unique within an organization. 
Mail attributes, logons of any type, and any identifying information such as samaccountname, alias, cn, etc should be the same across a user for the sake of troubleshooting and preventing duplicates and the issues that come along with that. 

/soapbox


While it shouldn't matter, I have seen some cases that not having attributes match could be a problem. There have been a lot of changes between versions around this behavior, but you never really know where in the legacy code this is going to come up. Even though it should not. 


IIRC, one issue that comes to mind is that the LHS of the UPN was not the same as the alias field. This resulted in the user being able to authenticate, but thencould not render the dataor to get partial access etc. via OWA. 


If you check the troubleshooting docs for Exchange, you'll see that it's advised to troubleshoot with domain\user credentials when trying to figure out logon/display issues with OWA. There's a reason for that. :)


My $0.04 (USD) anyway. 
On 6/9/06, Steve Rochford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



We make mailnickname=alias=samaccountname. I'm pretty sure that we started making most of this happen when we renamed accounts a long time ago (possibly NT4/Exchange 
5.5 long ago!) because we did get problems if the alias wasn't the same as samaccountname.

We do have an email address matching samaccountname for students but that was just to make sure it was unique (9 James Taylors; 9 Bharat Patels amongst other duplicates!) but we don't for staff.


Steve



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: 09 June 2006 15:53To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname



Thanks.
What about mailNickname?
Arethere any issues if mailNickname is different than sAMAccountName in re: to WebDAV?

Thanks again
On 6/9/06, Coleman, Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 



Empirical evidence suggests that he shouldn't be insisting so much. Very few of our users have a proxy address of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and we have no problems getting to subfolders via OWA. I'm sure you could take a test user account in your environment and duplicate this.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:41 AMTo: activedirectorySubject: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange mailnickname



My company wants to use a mail stubing app called Mailbox Manager from CA.

I've been going back and forth with the tech there.
He claims that, according to him, due to a limitation in WebDAV, one of the user's proxy addresses needs to be in the format of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], for users to be able to see subfolders underneath their inbox in OWA. 
I've never heard of such a limitation and think he may be talking about mailnickname(alias), but he inisits I'm wrong.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks




RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Security Policy Thoughts

2006-06-09 Thread Noah Eiger








Thanks. Ill take a look.



-- nme



P.S. Susan, I will get my nominations in order!











From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006
11:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
Security Policy Thoughts





NAC != .1x. 



The 3560 will certainly do the port based auth,
and I believe the 2950 will as well. I have the configs around. Its pretty
well explained in the config guide, though. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



c - 312.731.3132









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:32
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
Security Policy Thoughts







Thanks all for the thoughts. I think that
the thing I will need to communicate to these folks is simply the tradeoffs and
the risks. They run many apps that force full admin rights on the workstations
and have concluded that this is an acceptable risk. Well see what they say. In
the end, I feel okay about it if they are fully cognizant of the risks and then
accept them. Maybe Ill put something in about double the hourly rate for
cleanup ;-)



-- nme



P.S. Brian, could you elaborate on the
inexpensive NAC products? I see that IAS will be a RADIUS provider to 802.1x
switches. Is there a feature set within the IOS that can handle this (Catalyst
29xx and 35xx) or is it a separate device?















From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:05
PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
Security Policy Thoughts





Theyre keeping me a little busy down at the
fun factory, so Im up pretty late. Actually I just flew back in yesterday from
a client so I was handling backlog.



How is .1x cost prohibitive. Have you looked at
the NAC products most major VPN providers have to handle your fears about
viruses and such? Also realize you dont need to open a lot of the ports
representative of that sort of stuff. Lock it down by job role. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



c - 312.731.3132









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006
12:59 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
Security Policy Thoughts







Thanks, Brian. Dont you
sleep? Its late in Chicago
;-)



802.1x is the direction
they are heading. Right now, it is cost-prohibitive. So the question is less
can I control this access but should I? Is that over-reacting?



Again with the VPN. My
thoughts were to push it with an MSI, so I see how
to control its distribution. The question is should
I limit it to just the domain computers? How big is the risk? If the risk from
home computers is virus and malware, how do I justify preventing folks from
running it on their home Macs?



Thanks.



-- nme



















From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006
10:43 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
Security Policy Thoughts





My suggestion is that you implement 802.1x port
auth to implement port based authentication. You can use this to implement
guest vlans with the policy routing you describe.



Isnt the Cisco VPN a MSI? Use Group Policy or
SMS if you have it. You can do some NAC stuff with Cisco VPN as well as the
personal firewall built into it. 



I dont see how you plan to prohibit OS X at
least  put it on the guest vlan if you must, but, realize that the marketing,
pr, etc people may live in a Mac world. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



c - 312.731.3132









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noah Eiger
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006
12:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: Security
Policy Thoughts







Hi:



I am facing some IT policy questions and wanted to get
some perspectives. In each of these areas, I am trying determine how
restrictive I need to be. The client has four sites connected over high-speed
links. I have good backing from management but will undoubtedly get resistance
on some of these.



The client is small, under 200 employees with most in
one office. Some small field offices are not managed (i.e., have workgroup
networks, often with a small server, but no AD). There are no SOX requirements
and the data are not sensitive (e.g., no credit cards). Almost entirely Windows
XP; all DCs run W2k3.



Any thoughts on these topics welcome.



Connecting to the wired network.
They do not run any IDS or machine-based authentication. Given that, written
policy carries some weight. I want to require all non-domain machines to
connect only to a public VLAN that goes only to the Internet. I would apply
this even to staff personal computers, those of contractors (including me),
and machines from those field offices that are not on the domain.



VPN. They run a Cisco VPN. I want to
distribute the client 

RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] User Accounts

2006-06-09 Thread Brett Shirley
The limit on the number non-linked multi-values (~800 - ~1300 depending)
probably wouldn't apply (even if you put each post for a given thread it's
own value) ... the max LDAP packet size (10MBs) would apply though, your
posts can get Looonnngg.

Cheers,
BrettSh

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, joe wrote:

 I don't know, some of my posts might invoke the dreaded Admin Limit Exceeded
 in ADAM... You know the one... The one you were going to write a blog entry
 about when there were too many entries in a non-linked multivalue
 attribute...
  
 :)
 
 
 --
 O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
 http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:25 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] User Accounts
 
 You could build the archive on ADAM, and enable the indexes to allow for
 efficient medial substring indexes. :)
 
 ~Eric
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Murray
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:07 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] User Accounts
 
 Great info ~Eric! 
 
 The link to the start of the thread is: 
 
 http://www.activedir.org/ml/msg08620.aspx 
 
 We've just moved the archive onto the ActiveDir.org web site and we're
 having one or two teething problems with the search feature.  :-)
 
 Tony
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
 Sent: Friday, 9 June 2006 10:38 a.m.
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] User Accounts
 
 After this thread (I believe Dean asked what the error was at one point,
 but I can't find that tip of the thread right now), I decided to go
 ahead and test this.
 http://blogs.technet.com/efleis/archive/2006/06/08/434255.aspx
 
 I'll blog some more on other things we found along the way over the next
 few days.
 
 ~Eric
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Fleischman
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:39 AM
 To: 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org'
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] User Accounts
 
  DNTs are reusable in ESE, however ADs implementation does not allow
 DNTs
  to be released / reused on a single server, and the database will only
 
  reuse them if you recreate the DB by repromoting (cause the data is 
  replicated from other servers into a virgin ESE, and DNTs are assigned
 
  from the beginning at this point).
 
 Basically, yes. Though I would point out, this is hardly reusing
 DNTs...this is more starting over. :) For the sake of clarity I would
 point out that such a re-promotion would need to be over the wire and
 not IFM. IFM just picks up where the last left off, as you are using the
 old database again, and so the same AD level rules apply.
 
 ~Eric
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ulf B.
 Simon-Weidner
 Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:40 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] User Accounts
 
 * DNTs (to me) are _not_ a component of the directory
 
 IIRC they are like a (primary/foreign) key in a database. Technically
 not needed by the database layer, and not needed by the application, but
 needed to keep the data together for the application. So if you look at
 AD from the outside it won't be referenced, if you look at ESE it's just
 a DB and doesn't care about the data stored within, but you still need
 it in between to store the AD in the ESE.
 Right?
 
 * DNTs are not reusable
 
 Unique per Server and don't provide any reference across servers. If AD
 looks for a parent object by looking up it's known DNT (stored with the
 child), ESE would fail in that moment, AD would not able to go to
 another server and look up the same DNT in it's database. The AD is
 distributed, the ESE is local, and DNTs are part of the local table.
 
 If I understand correctly:
 DNTs are reusable in ESE, however ADs implementation does not allow DNTs
 to be released / reused on a single server, and the database will only
 reuse
 them if you recreate the DB by repromoting (cause the data is replicated
 from other servers into a virgin ESE, and DNTs are assigned from the
 beginning at this point).
 
 Right?
 
 Gruesse - Sincerely, 
 
 Ulf B. Simon-Weidner 
 
   MVP-Book Windows XP - Die Expertentipps: http://tinyurl.com/44zcz
   Weblog: http://msmvps.org/UlfBSimonWeidner
   Website: http://www.windowsserverfaq.org
   Profile:
 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=35E388DE-4885-4308-B489-F2F1214
 C811
 D   
 
  
 
 |-Original Message-
 |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Wells
 |Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:18 AM
 |To: Send - AD mailing list
 |Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] User Accounts
 |
 |Inline is my take on an IM conv. Brett and I just had, the result and 
 |content of which turned up some 

RE : RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Yann
Thank you for your answer Steve. I will install spa on monday and see if i can log some ldpa activities (errors, connections pb,etc...).Will this version of spa work on a w2k3 sp1 French version ?Regards,YannSteve Linehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: 
   I would suggest taking a look at Server Performance Advisor (SPA), assuming these are Windows Server 2003 DCs and using it to collect and analyze the data for the DCs in question. This tool combines performance counters and the tracing data that Joe is referring to which will allow you to get very detailed information on what is occurring. This tool will give you a peak into the new performance and monitoring capabilities that we are adding into the next versions of
 the OS. It will also give you hints on what we believe the performance problems are. One of these days when I get a chance I will try to write a blog entry on all of the things you can do with SPA. By the way it also collects information for other server roles as well such as IIS giving you tremendous amounts of detail found no where else. Yes event tracing is the future of not only performance monitoring but debugging difficult issues.You can download SPA from here:  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=09115420-8c9d-46b9-a9a5-9bffcd237da2DisplayLang=en Thanks,-Steve  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:35 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.Unfortunately the logging is very basic, it will not log LDAP errors from anything I have seen. This is something I have asked for from MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP logging like you can enable with some of the other directories. Usually I hear a response of use event tracing but I haven't gotten had a chance to really dig deep into that yet to see how useful it will be. It depends on the code is displaying error messages bit possibly a query timed out? That could be indicative of a very poor query. By default, if a
 query goes more than 2 minutes, it will get dropped.--  O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htmFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.  Good point Joe.I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.An nother question.The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error "the serveur is down", where "the server" = mydc.At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.With the Field Engineeringset to5 andifthe web apptimed-out,
 willa LDAP error appear in my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured ?Thanks for taking time to reply,Cheers,Yann- Message d'origine De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgEnvoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.  When you change that threshhold you are specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.Changing "Expensive" to 1, according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look atone or more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that value, you are telling it to log pretty much everything. That being said, unless you have changed your schema, objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes is generally considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that you are returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the same, I would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute or more likely,
 because so many apps/scripts screw up around objectclass,indexing objectclass AND getting the query changed.When you see big noticable deltas in how long the same query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could be at fault, possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is tied up with something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is that it has to go to disk instead of pulling from cache. Either way you should be looking at your perf counters to see how the DC is performing. I tend to really look at disk counters because that is where it often falls down at. Things like disk queue and and number of read ops for the DIT drive (write ops are
 usually a rounding error except during heavy population periods)are the things I immediately focus on. Just seeing the number of read ops doesn't help, you have to understand your disk architecture because on some systems 500 read ops may be just fine, but on others it could beover what the disk system is capable of sustaining so you start backing up. As a quick rule of thumbI start with the assumptionthat each spindle that is part of the volume gives you 

[ActiveDir] WMI Filter

2006-06-09 Thread Clay, Justin \(ITS\)



I think I did
something wrong... I was using this WMI filter on a GPO:

"select * from
Win32_OperatingSystem where Caption = "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" OR
Caption = "Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional""

I was doing this to
keep this GPO from applying to server operating systems, and when I tested it
with Windows 2003 and XP and 2000 Pro, everything seemed to be fine. Well, I
just tested it with a couple of 2000 Advanced Server boxes and the policy is
applying. DId I do something wrong with the filter? Is caption not the best
method to filter by OS?

Thanks,

Justin
ClayITS
Enterprise
Services
Metropolitan
Government of Nashville and Davidson County Howard School
Building
Phone:
(615) 880-2573




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RE: [ActiveDir] WMI Filter

2006-06-09 Thread Figueroa, Johnny



I thought WMI filters could only be evaluated by XP or 2003 
?, 2000, NT will ignore the filter and apply. 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clay, Justin 
(ITS)Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:55To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] WMI 
Filter

I think I did 
something wrong... I was using this WMI filter on a GPO:

"select * from 
Win32_OperatingSystem where Caption = "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" OR 
Caption = "Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional""

I was doing this to 
keep this GPO from applying to server operating systems, and when I tested it 
with Windows 2003 and XP and 2000 Pro, everything seemed to be fine. Well, I 
just tested it with a couple of 2000 Advanced Server boxes and the policy is 
applying. DId I do something wrong with the filter? Is caption not the best 
method to filter by OS?

Thanks,

Justin 
ClayITS 
Enterprise Services 
Metropolitan 
Government of Nashville and Davidson County Howard School 
Building 
Phone: 
(615) 880-2573


  
  
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RE: [ActiveDir] WMI Filter

2006-06-09 Thread Clay, Justin \(ITS\)



That would explain it!


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Figueroa,
JohnnySent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:20 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] WMI
Filter

I thought WMI filters could only be evaluated by XP or 2003
?, 2000, NT will ignore the filter and apply. 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clay, Justin
(ITS)Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:55To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] WMI
Filter

I think I did
something wrong... I was using this WMI filter on a GPO:

"select * from
Win32_OperatingSystem where Caption = "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" OR
Caption = "Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional""

I was doing this to
keep this GPO from applying to server operating systems, and when I tested it
with Windows 2003 and XP and 2000 Pro, everything seemed to be fine. Well, I
just tested it with a couple of 2000 Advanced Server boxes and the policy is
applying. DId I do something wrong with the filter? Is caption not the best
method to filter by OS?

Thanks,

Justin
ClayITS
Enterprise Services
Metropolitan
Government of Nashville and Davidson County Howard School
Building
Phone:
(615) 880-2573


  
  
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RE: RE : RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Steve Linehan








It is true that SPA is not localized but I
believe the French version will be ok.  The problem comes about with the
localization of the perfmon data.  If you have problems post back and we can
try a few work arounds because we are only really interested in the trace data
at this point which should not be impacted.



Thanks,



-Steve











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yann
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:31
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE : RE: [ActiveDir] AD
LDAP Logging.







Thank you for your answer Steve. I will install spa on monday and see
if i can log some ldpa activities (errors, connections pb,etc...).











Will this version of spa work on a w2k3 sp1 French version ?











Regards,











Yann

Steve
 Linehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit:







I would suggest taking a look at Server
Performance Advisor (SPA), assuming these are Windows Server 2003 DCs and using
it to collect and analyze the data for the DCs in question. This tool
combines performance counters and the tracing data that Joe is referring to
which will allow you to get very detailed information on what is
occurring. This tool will give you a peak into the new performance and
monitoring capabilities that we are adding into the next versions of the OS.
It will also give you hints on what we believe the performance problems
are. One of these days when I get a chance I will try to write a blog
entry on all of the things you can do with SPA. By the way it also
collects information for other server roles as well such as IIS giving you
tremendous amounts of detail found no where else. Yes event tracing is
the future of not only performance monitoring but debugging difficult issues.











You can download SPA from here:





http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=09115420-8c9d-46b9-a9a5-9bffcd237da2DisplayLang=en












Thanks,











-Steve













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:35
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP
Logging.













Unfortunately the logging is very basic,
it will not log LDAP errors from anything I have seen. This is something I have
asked for from MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP logging like you can enable
with some of the other directories. Usually I hear a response of use event
tracing but I haven't gotten had a chance to really dig deep into that yet to
see how useful it will be. 











It depends on the code is displaying error
messages bit possibly a query timed out? That could be indicative of a very
poor query. By default, if a query goes more than 2 minutes, it will get
dropped.





















--





O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm

































From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Yann
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42
AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP
Logging.









Good point Joe.



















I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my DC.









An nother question.



















The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error the serveur is
down, where the server = mydc.









At the time of the web app timed out, i saw no errors about
ldap connections between my dc and the zope server.



















With the Field Engineeringset
to5 andifthe web apptimed-out, willa LDAP error
appear in my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured ?



















Thanks for taking time to reply,



















Cheers,



















Yann



















- Message d'origine 
De : joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
À : ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Envoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26s
Objet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.





When you change that threshhold you are
specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD reports it.











Changing Expensive to 1,
according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look atone or
more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that value, you are
telling it to log pretty much everything. 











That being said, unless you have changed
your schema, objectclass isn't indexed and a filter with no indexed attributes
is generally considered inefficient unless it is properly scoped. The fact that
you are returning 58 of 63 entries means that that isn't too bad, but just the
same, I would work on getting the query changed to using an indexed attribute
or more likely, because so many apps/scripts screw up around
objectclass,indexing objectclass AND getting the query changed.











When you see big noticable deltas in how
long the same query takes to run, it is usually a couple of things that could
be at fault, possibly Eric will pipe in with more. The first is that the DC is
tied up with something else and just can't give you the proc time, the other is

[ActiveDir] question regarding Tony's article on linked attributes

2006-06-09 Thread Willem Kasdorp








Hi, 



I was just reading Tony's
article

(http://www.activedir.org/article.aspx?aid=92)
on linked attributes, and encountered something that I wondered about. This
section Why have linked attributes? says:



I haven't seen an
official explanation, but I can think of two reasons why they would be
useful. The first is consistency. By storing one half of the link
only in the directory database, it ensures that queries for the back link
attribute values are always consistent with the information stored in the
forward link. The second reason is that it is an efficient means of
storage in the directory database and keeps the space used to a minimum. 



My guess would be that the
primary function of back links is to enable efficient backward lookups: of
which groups is this user a member? Secondly, the quote suggests that the
backlinks are not stored in the database. I'd think they are stored there because
it would be pretty hard/inefficient to calculate them on the fly, but that they
are not replicated. 



Anybody care to comment?



--



 Cheers, Willem.












[ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

2006-06-09 Thread Rimmerman, Russ

I'm wanting to deploy an MSI (office communicator) to 100% of the
desktops in our domain.  These desktops are scattered across the world
over various wan links.  I'd like to deploy it with a GPO (assign the
software, not force the install), but I also don't want to kill our wan
links.  Is there any way to limit the number of concurrent deployments
of a software package assigned to 9500+ users?  Or is the right answer
to use DFS so they don't all pull from the central fileserver?

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[ActiveDir] Another GPO question

2006-06-09 Thread Rimmerman, Russ

If I assign a software GPO to all users (domain users), how do I ensure
that if one of those users is in the IT department, they won't
unknowingly push the Office Communicator installation to every server in
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[ActiveDir] Is this like AD blog season or what?

2006-06-09 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Active Directory Discussion : Introducing the Active Directory 
Discussion Blog:

http://blogs.technet.com/ad/archive/2006/06/09/434604.aspx

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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

2006-06-09 Thread Darren Mar-Elia
Russ-
The right answer with Software Installation is pretty much to always use
DFS. That way if the package ever has to physically move off of a server,
the path doesn't have to change. Path changes aren't supported in GPSI
without a re-install. So,to answer your question, yes, I would use DFS to
distribute the package. There is no way to control the deployment rate,
unfortunately, unless you artificially do it using something like security
filters--where you gradually add regional-based groups to the security
filter on the GPO as the previous groups deploy the package. 

Darren

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www.gpoguy.com-- the best source for GPO tips, tools and whitepapers. Also
check out the Windows Group Policy Guide, a soup-to-nuts resource for Group
Policy information.
 

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Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit


I'm wanting to deploy an MSI (office communicator) to 100% of the desktops
in our domain.  These desktops are scattered across the world over various
wan links.  I'd like to deploy it with a GPO (assign the software, not force
the install), but I also don't want to kill our wan links.  Is there any way
to limit the number of concurrent deployments of a software package assigned
to 9500+ users?  Or is the right answer to use DFS so they don't all pull
from the central fileserver?


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RE: [ActiveDir] WMI Filter

2006-06-09 Thread Darren Mar-Elia



Yes, definitely true. Win2K is blind to WMI 
Filters...

Darren


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information.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clay, Justin 
(ITS)Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:40 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] WMI 
Filter

That would explain it!


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Figueroa, 
JohnnySent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:20 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] WMI 
Filter

I thought WMI filters could only be evaluated by XP or 2003 
?, 2000, NT will ignore the filter and apply. 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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(ITS)Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:55To: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] WMI 
Filter

I think I did 
something wrong... I was using this WMI filter on a GPO:

"select * from 
Win32_OperatingSystem where Caption = "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" OR 
Caption = "Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional""

I was doing this to 
keep this GPO from applying to server operating systems, and when I tested it 
with Windows 2003 and XP and 2000 Pro, everything seemed to be fine. Well, I 
just tested it with a couple of 2000 Advanced Server boxes and the policy is 
applying. DId I do something wrong with the filter? Is caption not the best 
method to filter by OS?

Thanks,

Justin 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question

2006-06-09 Thread Darren Mar-Elia
First I wouldn't use such a wide-open group as Domain Users to target your
install. If you do, then you pick up a lot of unwilling victims. I would try
creating a special group just for this deployment and use that to security
filter either the GPO or the individual app. 

But, if you need to use Domain Users or just in general want to exclude the
install from servers, then there's probably a couple of ways to skin it. You
could put all your admins into a special Admin Group and then set a Deny
ACE on that GPO or package for that group. The Deny would take precedence
over the Allow of the Domain Users. Or, you can enable loopback on all your
servers, in replace mode, and control user policy from the computer GPOs
that apply to those servers. In this scenario, any user policies (like
software installation) would be ignored when those admins logged into those
servers.

Darren

Darren Mar-Elia
For comprehensive Windows Group Policy Information, check out
www.gpoguy.com-- the best source for GPO tips, tools and whitepapers. Also
check out the Windows Group Policy Guide, a soup-to-nuts resource for Group
Policy information.
 


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Subject: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question


If I assign a software GPO to all users (domain users), how do I ensure that
if one of those users is in the IT department, they won't unknowingly push
the Office Communicator installation to every server in our server room? 


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[ActiveDir] Password Policy change

2006-06-09 Thread Chris Flesher
Hello,

When the default domain controller policy is changed in respect to
password complexity, length, etc., how long is it before the change
takes affect? We have an automated system that is trying to change
passwords but is getting bounced back that the password doesn't meet
complexity. I changed the policy about 45 minutes ago and it has
propogated to all DC's. 

Any info would be appreciated.

Christopher Flesher
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Re: [ActiveDir] question regarding Tony's article on linked attributes

2006-06-09 Thread Brett Shirley
It is 1/2 a dozen of one, 1/2 a dozen of the other ...

We store forward links, but AD defines a table, with indices such that
we have an efficient way to lookup backlinks for a given object.  Don't
have time right now to show you what I mean, but my Daddy says there are
24 usable hours in the day, so maybe at 3 AM ...

Cheers,
BrettSh


On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Willem Kasdorp wrote:

 Hi, 
 
  
 
 I was just reading Tony's article
 
 (http://www.activedir.org/article.aspx?aid=92) on linked attributes, and
 encountered something that I wondered about. This section Why have linked
 attributes? says:
 
  
 
 I haven't seen an official explanation, but I can think of two reasons why
 they would be useful.  The first is consistency.  By storing one half of the
 link only in the directory database, it ensures that queries for the back
 link attribute values are always consistent with the information stored in
 the forward link.  The second reason is that it is an efficient means of
 storage in the directory database and keeps the space used to a minimum. 
 
  
 
 My guess would be that the primary function of back links is to enable
 efficient backward lookups: of which groups is this user a member? Secondly,
 the quote suggests that the backlinks are not stored in the database. I'd
 think they are stored there because it would be pretty hard/inefficient to
 calculate them on the fly, but that they are not replicated. 
 
  
 
 Anybody care to comment?
 
  
 
 --
 
  
 
Cheers, Willem.
 
  
 
  
 
 

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RE: [ActiveDir] Password Policy change

2006-06-09 Thread Darren Mar-Elia
Password policy changes for domain user accounts can only take affect if
they are linked to a GPO at the domain level. I have a short video training
session that explains this at www.gpoguy.com/training.htm if you're
interested in understanding more.

So, bottom line is that if you're making password complexity changes to
domain user accounts, it must be done on a GPO linked at the domain level.
Since the Default DC Policy is linked at the OU level, it won't effect
anything.

Darren

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Policy information.
 


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Flesher
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:59 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Password Policy change

Hello,

When the default domain controller policy is changed in respect to password
complexity, length, etc., how long is it before the change takes affect? We
have an automated system that is trying to change passwords but is getting
bounced back that the password doesn't meet complexity. I changed the policy
about 45 minutes ago and it has propogated to all DC's. 

Any info would be appreciated.

Christopher Flesher
The University of Chicago
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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

2006-06-09 Thread Rimmerman, Russ

Are you saying that if I deployed an MSI to a bunch of users from a
single fileshare and later get rid of that share, all those users GPO
installed apps are going to break even though they completely have the
software installed?

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Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:33 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

Russ-
The right answer with Software Installation is pretty much to always use
DFS. That way if the package ever has to physically move off of a
server, the path doesn't have to change. Path changes aren't supported
in GPSI without a re-install. So,to answer your question, yes, I would
use DFS to distribute the package. There is no way to control the
deployment rate, unfortunately, unless you artificially do it using
something like security filters--where you gradually add regional-based
groups to the security filter on the GPO as the previous groups deploy
the package.

Darren

Darren Mar-Elia
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www.gpoguy.com-- the best source for GPO tips, tools and whitepapers.
Also check out the Windows Group Policy Guide, a soup-to-nuts resource
for Group Policy information.


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Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:19 PM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit


I'm wanting to deploy an MSI (office communicator) to 100% of the
desktops in our domain.  These desktops are scattered across the world
over various wan links.  I'd like to deploy it with a GPO (assign the
software, not force the install), but I also don't want to kill our wan
links.  Is there any way to limit the number of concurrent deployments
of a software package assigned to 9500+ users?  Or is the right answer
to use DFS so they don't all pull from the central fileserver?


Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question

2006-06-09 Thread Rimmerman, Russ

One more question - if you assign a software package to users, does it
push to their PC when they login next or when they click add in
add/remove programs?

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First I wouldn't use such a wide-open group as Domain Users to target
your install. If you do, then you pick up a lot of unwilling victims. I
would try creating a special group just for this deployment and use that
to security filter either the GPO or the individual app.

But, if you need to use Domain Users or just in general want to exclude
the install from servers, then there's probably a couple of ways to skin
it. You could put all your admins into a special Admin Group and then
set a Deny ACE on that GPO or package for that group. The Deny would
take precedence over the Allow of the Domain Users. Or, you can enable
loopback on all your servers, in replace mode, and control user policy
from the computer GPOs that apply to those servers. In this scenario,
any user policies (like software installation) would be ignored when
those admins logged into those servers.

Darren

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www.gpoguy.com-- the best source for GPO tips, tools and whitepapers.
Also check out the Windows Group Policy Guide, a soup-to-nuts resource
for Group Policy information.



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Subject: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question


If I assign a software GPO to all users (domain users), how do I ensure
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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

2006-06-09 Thread Darren Mar-Elia
Generally speaking, no, they won't break. It gets a little complicated.
Let's say that the application is a single MSI with embedded files. That MSI
gets cached on the workstation during install. So if, for example, the app
needs to be repaired or removed, then it will find that cached MSI and life
is good. Where it gets tricky is when the app is composed of an MSI and
separate CAB files. If those files go away (on the server) and the app needs
to reference them, then you get that annoying dialog about having to enter
the path to the install files. What I was referring to below is, if you need
to move a package from one server to another and still want that GPO
application relationship to be maintained on the workstation, that process
of moving the package, and then having to create a new GPO package, will
typically trigger a reinstall on the client, to re-establish that
relationship between client and GPO. 

Hope that helps.

Darren

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:50 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit


Are you saying that if I deployed an MSI to a bunch of users from a single
fileshare and later get rid of that share, all those users GPO installed
apps are going to break even though they completely have the software
installed?


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:33 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

Russ-
The right answer with Software Installation is pretty much to always use
DFS. That way if the package ever has to physically move off of a server,
the path doesn't have to change. Path changes aren't supported in GPSI
without a re-install. So,to answer your question, yes, I would use DFS to
distribute the package. There is no way to control the deployment rate,
unfortunately, unless you artificially do it using something like security
filters--where you gradually add regional-based groups to the security
filter on the GPO as the previous groups deploy the package.


Darren

Darren Mar-Elia
For comprehensive Windows Group Policy Information, check out
www.gpoguy.com-- the best source for GPO tips, tools and whitepapers.
Also check out the Windows Group Policy Guide, a soup-to-nuts resource for
Group Policy information.



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Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:19 PM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit


I'm wanting to deploy an MSI (office communicator) to 100% of the desktops
in our domain.  These desktops are scattered across the world over various
wan links.  I'd like to deploy it with a GPO (assign the software, not force
the install), but I also don't want to kill our wan links.  Is there any way
to limit the number of concurrent deployments of a software package assigned
to 9500+ users?  Or is the right answer to use DFS so they don't all pull
from the central fileserver?


Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question

2006-06-09 Thread Darren Mar-Elia
Well, both really. If you User Assign an application, it can be installed at
logon or just advertised (i.e. install on first use). It will also appear in
ARP unless you check the box for it to not appear. 

Darren

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One more question - if you assign a software package to users, does it push
to their PC when they login next or when they click add in add/remove
programs?


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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question

First I wouldn't use such a wide-open group as Domain Users to target your
install. If you do, then you pick up a lot of unwilling victims. I would try
creating a special group just for this deployment and use that to security
filter either the GPO or the individual app.


But, if you need to use Domain Users or just in general want to exclude the
install from servers, then there's probably a couple of ways to skin it. You
could put all your admins into a special Admin Group and then set a Deny
ACE on that GPO or package for that group. The Deny would take precedence
over the Allow of the Domain Users. Or, you can enable loopback on all your
servers, in replace mode, and control user policy from the computer GPOs
that apply to those servers. In this scenario, any user policies (like
software installation) would be ignored when those admins logged into those
servers.

Darren

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Also check out the Windows Group Policy Guide, a soup-to-nuts resource for
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Another GPO question


If I assign a software GPO to all users (domain users), how do I ensure that
if one of those users is in the IT department, they won't unknowingly push
the Office Communicator installation to every server in our server room?



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RE: RE : RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP Logging.

2006-06-09 Thread Gil Kirkpatrick



You can use SPA, or you can use logman and tracerpt to get 
detailed LDAP stats. SPA does a lot of analysis for you and diagnoses several 
classes of AD perf problems. Tracerpt will give you a fairly raw look at all the 
LDAP traffic. I covered all three in my DEC AD Performance session (which I 
didn't actually deliver at DEC :). Its available on the NetPro website at http://www.netpro.com/community/medialibrary.cfm.

-gil


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve 
LinehanSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:50 AMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: RE : RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
Logging.


It is true that SPA is 
not localized but I believe the French version will be ok. The problem 
comes about with the localization of the perfmon data. If you have 
problems post back and we can try a few work arounds because we are only really 
interested in the trace data at this point which should not be 
impacted.

Thanks,

-Steve





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On Behalf Of YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:31 
AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE : RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
Logging.


Thank you for your answer Steve. I will install spa on 
monday and see if i can log some ldpa activities (errors, connections 
pb,etc...).



Will this version of spa work on a w2k3 sp1 French 
version ?



Regards,



YannSteve 
Linehan 
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écrit:

  
  I would suggest 
  taking a look at Server Performance Advisor (SPA), assuming these are Windows 
  Server 2003 DCs and using it to collect and analyze the data for the DCs in 
  question. This tool combines performance counters and the tracing data 
  that Joe is referring to which will allow you to get very detailed information 
  on what is occurring. This tool will give you a peak into the new 
  performance and monitoring capabilities that we are adding into the next 
  versions of the OS. It will also give you hints on what we believe the 
  performance problems are. One of these days when I get a chance I will 
  try to write a blog entry on all of the things you can do with SPA. By 
  the way it also collects information for other server roles as well such as 
  IIS giving you tremendous amounts of detail found no where else. Yes 
  event tracing is the future of not only performance monitoring but debugging 
  difficult issues.
  
  
  
  You can download SPA 
  from here:
  
  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=09115420-8c9d-46b9-a9a5-9bffcd237da2DisplayLang=en 
  
  
  
  
  Thanks,
  
  
  
  -Steve
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
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  On Behalf Of joeSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:35 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
  Logging.
  
  
  
  Unfortunately the 
  logging is very basic, it will not log LDAP errors from anything I have seen. 
  This is something I have asked for from MSFT as well, very detailed LDAP 
  logging like you can enable with some of the other directories. Usually I hear 
  a response of use event tracing but I haven't gotten had a chance to really 
  dig deep into that yet to see how useful it will be. 
  
  
  
  
  It depends on the 
  code is displaying error messages bit possibly a query timed out? That could 
  be indicative of a very poor query. By default, if a query goes more than 2 
  minutes, it will get dropped.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  --
  
  O'Reilly Active 
  Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
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  On Behalf Of YannSent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:42 
  AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re : [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
  Logging.
  
  
  
  Good point 
  Joe.
  
  
  
  
  
  I will use perfmon to monitor the health of my 
  DC.
  
  
  An nother 
  question.
  
  
  
  
  
  The Web app timed out with thisgeneric error 
  "the serveur is down", where "the server" = 
  mydc.
  
  
  At the time of the web app timed 
  out, i saw no errors about ldap connections between my dc and the zope 
  server.
  
  
  
  
  
  With the Field 
  Engineeringset to5 
  andifthe web apptimed-out, willa LDAP error appear in 
  my eventlogs that stated a disconnection occured 
  ?
  
  
  
  
  
  Thanks for taking time to 
  reply,
  
  
  
  
  
  Cheers,
  
  
  
  
  
  Yann
  
  
  
  
  
  - Message d'origine De : joe 
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  le : Vendredi, 9 Juin 2006, 2h25mn 26sObjet: RE: [ActiveDir] AD LDAP 
  Logging.
  
  When you change that 
  threshhold you are specifying how expensive you want the query to be before AD 
  reports it.
  
  
  
  Changing "Expensive" 
  to 1, according to the docs means that as soon as a query has to look 
  atone or more entries it will be logged. So when you turn down that 
  value, you are telling it to log pretty much everything. 
  
  
  
  
  That being said, 
  unless you 

RE: [ActiveDir] WMI Filter

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Desmond








That is correct. XP and newer only. 





Thanks,

Brian Desmond

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From:
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Behalf Of Figueroa, Johnny
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:19 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WMI Filter







I thought WMI filters could only be evaluated by XP or 2003 ?,
2000, NT will ignore the filter and apply. 









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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clay, Justin
(ITS)
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:55
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] WMI Filter



I
think I did something wrong... I was using this WMI filter on a GPO:











select
* from Win32_OperatingSystem where Caption = Microsoft Windows XP
Professional OR Caption = Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional











I
was doing this to keep this GPO from applying to server operating systems, and
when I tested it with Windows 2003 and XP and 2000 Pro, everything seemed to be
fine. Well, I just tested it with a couple of 2000 Advanced Server boxes and
the policy is applying. DId I do something wrong with the filter? Is caption
not the best method to filter by OS?











Thanks,









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ITS Enterprise Services 
Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County 
Howard School Building 
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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Desmond
What you need to do is get your file servers at strategic points on your WAN
(hub, edges, etc) setup and use DFSR to replicate the MSI. Then you can
deploy the MSI from the DFS path and your clients will use the local copy. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:19 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO deployment limit


I'm wanting to deploy an MSI (office communicator) to 100% of the desktops
in our domain.  These desktops are scattered across the world over various
wan links.  I'd like to deploy it with a GPO (assign the software, not force
the install), but I also don't want to kill our wan links.  Is there any way
to limit the number of concurrent deployments of a software package assigned
to 9500+ users?  Or is the right answer to use DFS so they don't all pull
from the central fileserver?
 Thanks

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Re: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1

2006-06-09 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]

And when you put ISA on a DC... we prob go into negative layers...

;-)

Brian Desmond wrote:

*When I think of a firewall I think of a layer 4 contraption. Layer 7 
is like putting ISA or something on the box.*


* *

*Thanks,*

*Brian Desmond*

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* *

*c - 312.731.3132*

* *

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Al Mulnick

*Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2006 9:54 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings 
after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1


 

Interesting.  I'm fascinated by the architecture. 

 

FWIW, I was hinting around at layer-7 firewalls being a better choice 
than a traditional ACL on a router or a port-forwarding type of 
firewall. Firewall technology gives fine control, but it also opens 
pandora's box in terms of support, coordination, etc. It also doesn't 
do anything for application layer attacks because for that only one 
port is needed.  The downside is that layer-7 firewalls have a hard 
time reaching line speed due to the amount of work and analysis they 
do.  You almost need a grid cluster to power such a thing. :)


 


Thanks for the responses.  It's helpful to me at least.

 


Al

 

On 6/9/06, *Clay, Justin (ITS)* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sorry for the mega-delay in responding to my own thread, I've been sick!

 

I don't control our firewalls at all, but my understanding is that 
this firewall is there for the exact reasons that Brian described. 
It's especially important to us to separate the clients from the 
servers and DCs in this case because all of the PCs in this forest are 
public-facing (Public Library, Public Parks, etc). I believe we're 
either going to go with the method that Brian is using, or they might 
possibly use the application-level (I think that's the term they use) 
filtering, where, as I understand it, the Checkpoint firewall would 
dynamically open the high ports based on information it received by 
looking inside the RPC packets and determining which high port the DC 
is telling the client to connect on. I think there's a lot more 
overhead with this method, but it seems like something our firewall 
guys would like to at least try.


 

As to some of the earlier questions, our firewall guys only opened 
such a large range for me so quickly so that the problem would go away 
while we researched a more secure solution. It's amazing what they'll 
do when they have the director of the Nashville Public Libraries on 
the phone yelling at them.


 

 




*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Brian Desmond

*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:07 PM


*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org

*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings 
after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1


 

*Yes. It isolates different applications and tiers. One of the big 
isolation issues is in house managed vs vendor managed stuff. Database 
tier vs app tier vs web tier. Web shouldn't be able to talk to 
database at all, generally. Your HR database should not be in a subnet 
that a vendor with TS access to another DB server has access to, and 
so forth. *


* *

*Thanks,*

*Brian Desmond*

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

* *

*c - 312.731.3132*

* *

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Al Mulnick

*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:50 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings 
after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1


 

Interesting.  So, more or less, the firewall between tiers is more of 
a control mechanism? i.e. you can impose fine control over new 
applications that should be there, while preventing malicious 
applications from running amok on the network at the high port ranges? 
Rather, you either use the proposed ports, else take your packets and 
go home?


 


Or am I missing the idea of putting the FW's in between the tiers?

 


Does this provide you much benefit?  What's been the trade-off?

 

On 6/7/06, *Brian Desmond*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


*I haven't really read this thread thru (too busy) but I think I have 
the gist of it. I'll generally throw a firewall between each of my 
server tiers (some sort of trunked interface of course) and then of 
course between my clients and these tiers. I'm not about to open TCP 
1024-65535 between clients and the servers, might as well just put an 
any rule in. Weird stuff that's not belonging on a box has a habit of 
running on weird high range ports anyway, this is just conducive to it. *


* *

*I guess I also have the very large enterprise datacenter network 
model of subnet for each little item 

RE: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Desmond
No, that's a layer 8 issue - operator error. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, 
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:26 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings after 
upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1

And when you put ISA on a DC... we prob go into negative layers...

;-)

Brian Desmond wrote:

 *When I think of a firewall I think of a layer 4 contraption. Layer 7 
 is like putting ISA or something on the box.*

 * *

 *Thanks,*

 *Brian Desmond*

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 * *

 *c - 312.731.3132*

 * *

 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Al Mulnick
 *Sent:* Friday, June 09, 2006 9:54 AM
 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings 
 after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1

  

 Interesting.  I'm fascinated by the architecture. 

  

 FWIW, I was hinting around at layer-7 firewalls being a better choice 
 than a traditional ACL on a router or a port-forwarding type of 
 firewall. Firewall technology gives fine control, but it also opens 
 pandora's box in terms of support, coordination, etc. It also doesn't 
 do anything for application layer attacks because for that only one 
 port is needed.  The downside is that layer-7 firewalls have a hard 
 time reaching line speed due to the amount of work and analysis they 
 do.  You almost need a grid cluster to power such a thing. :)

  

 Thanks for the responses.  It's helpful to me at least.

  

 Al

  

 On 6/9/06, *Clay, Justin (ITS)* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry for the mega-delay in responding to my own thread, I've been sick!

  

 I don't control our firewalls at all, but my understanding is that 
 this firewall is there for the exact reasons that Brian described.
 It's especially important to us to separate the clients from the 
 servers and DCs in this case because all of the PCs in this forest are 
 public-facing (Public Library, Public Parks, etc). I believe we're 
 either going to go with the method that Brian is using, or they might 
 possibly use the application-level (I think that's the term they use) 
 filtering, where, as I understand it, the Checkpoint firewall would 
 dynamically open the high ports based on information it received by 
 looking inside the RPC packets and determining which high port the DC 
 is telling the client to connect on. I think there's a lot more 
 overhead with this method, but it seems like something our firewall 
 guys would like to at least try.

  

 As to some of the earlier questions, our firewall guys only opened 
 such a large range for me so quickly so that the problem would go away 
 while we researched a more secure solution. It's amazing what they'll 
 do when they have the director of the Nashville Public Libraries on 
 the phone yelling at them.

  

  

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 --

 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Brian 
 Desmond
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:07 PM


 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
 mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org

 *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings 
 after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1

  

 *Yes. It isolates different applications and tiers. One of the big 
 isolation issues is in house managed vs vendor managed stuff. Database 
 tier vs app tier vs web tier. Web shouldn't be able to talk to 
 database at all, generally. Your HR database should not be in a subnet 
 that a vendor with TS access to another DB server has access to, and 
 so forth. *

 * *

 *Thanks,*

 *Brian Desmond*

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

 * *

 *c - 312.731.3132*

 * *

 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Al Mulnick
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:50 AM
 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
 mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] PCs hang at Applying computer settings 
 after upgradingDCs to 2K3 SP1

  

 Interesting.  So, more or less, the firewall between tiers is more of 
 a control mechanism? i.e. you can impose fine control over new 
 applications that should be there, while preventing malicious 
 applications from running amok on the network at the high port ranges?
 Rather, you either use the proposed ports, else take your packets and 
 go home?

  

 Or am I missing the idea of putting the FW's in between the tiers?

  

 Does this provide you much benefit?  What's been the trade-off?

  

 On 6/7/06, *Brian Desmond*  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *I haven't really read this thread thru (too busy) but I think I have 
 the gist of it. I'll generally throw a firewall 

Re: [ActiveDir] Is this like AD blog season or what?

2006-06-09 Thread AdamT

Not an AD blog, but I quite enjoy Raymond Chen's blog:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/

Interesting stuff, even if you're not a Win32 API guru.

And let's not forget the blog of the SBS Diva ;-)

http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/

On 09/06/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Active Directory Discussion : Introducing the Active Directory
Discussion Blog:
http://blogs.technet.com/ad/archive/2006/06/09/434604.aspx





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