RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations
Ah sorry I wasn't clear. I COMPLETELY agree with keeping the forest. My statement of new installs of 2K3 was for the DCs themselves. You don't need to upgrade a DC to keep the AD for 2K to K3 as you did NT to 2K. You can simply prep and spin up a new DC. Actually that would have been cool for 2K as well but would have added complexity... Let you spin up 2K BDC to see how your AD would look and if you decide to go live with it you promote to PDC and your Domain becomes a 2K domain instead of an NT domain. That way people aren't upgrading NT4 PDCs and praying with a BDC locked up and powered down just in case... joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier, Guido Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations hey Joe - just to clarify: I was talking about an inplace-upgrade of the DOMAIN - vs. migration to a new DOMAIN... that was David's main question. Inplace-Upgrading the DCs themselves is a separate discussion. but I know you just read my answer and assumed the later ;-) And I truly doubt that you preferr a fresh forest every time there's a new WinServer-OS and happily migrate all users and applications accross... /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2004 21:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations This sounds like a valid approach but would recommend new installs of 2K3 if you can do it versus upgrades. You could show me hundreds of perfectly fine upgrades but will still prefer a fresh install until MS displays a report at the end of the upgrade that tells me what items are using old OS configurations versus new configurations and what I would have to do to correct them to the new configurations. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier, Guido Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations unless you really have a badly designed or misbehaving Win2k AD today, there is no reason for you to go through a migration with all the hassles involved (the hassles are worth it for consolidation and other reasons, but not to go from 2000 to 2003). So stick to an inplace upgrade and check out the following KB with more details: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325379 You mainly have to be aware of the preparations to take for the mangled attributes during forestprep and the changes in the default security of AD, which could impact some legacy clients. /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2004 00:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations I know MS has some decent whitepapers on migrations, but I was curious if any of you have any real-world feedback on tips or gotchas to be aware of when going from 2000 to 2003. The kind of migration I'm talking about is for a small environment, all Windows 2000, native mode, 8 DC's in 5 sites, maybe 3000 users. Exchange 2003 is also in use. I'm thinking of doing an in-place upgrade as opposed to a migration with ADMT into a new Forest. I know to run adprep /forestprep and /domainprep. I'm loosely aware of the possible mangled(?) attributes when Exchange is deployed; I'll need to re-read up on that. I haven't decided yet on if I'll perform an OS upgrade of the PDCE to 2003 or try building a new 2003 DC. Most of what I've read/heard about so far is that this type of migration should be pretty straight forward, but I figured I'd ask while still in the early planning stages while I still have time to adjust as necessary. Oh, and if anyone knows of any post 2003 RTM hotfixes that should be applied to the DC's right off the bat, I'd appreciate info on that, too. List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations
hey Joe - just to clarify: I was talking about an inplace-upgrade of the DOMAIN - vs. migration to a new DOMAIN... that was David's main question. Inplace-Upgrading the DCs themselves is a separate discussion. but I know you just read my answer and assumed the later ;-) And I truly doubt that you preferr a fresh forest every time there's a new WinServer-OS and happily migrate all users and applications accross... /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2004 21:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations This sounds like a valid approach but would recommend new installs of 2K3 if you can do it versus upgrades. You could show me hundreds of perfectly fine upgrades but will still prefer a fresh install until MS displays a report at the end of the upgrade that tells me what items are using old OS configurations versus new configurations and what I would have to do to correct them to the new configurations. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier, Guido Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations unless you really have a badly designed or misbehaving Win2k AD today, there is no reason for you to go through a migration with all the hassles involved (the hassles are worth it for consolidation and other reasons, but not to go from 2000 to 2003). So stick to an inplace upgrade and check out the following KB with more details: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325379 You mainly have to be aware of the preparations to take for the mangled attributes during forestprep and the changes in the default security of AD, which could impact some legacy clients. /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2004 00:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations I know MS has some decent whitepapers on migrations, but I was curious if any of you have any real-world feedback on tips or gotchas to be aware of when going from 2000 to 2003. The kind of migration I'm talking about is for a small environment, all Windows 2000, native mode, 8 DC's in 5 sites, maybe 3000 users. Exchange 2003 is also in use. I'm thinking of doing an in-place upgrade as opposed to a migration with ADMT into a new Forest. I know to run adprep /forestprep and /domainprep. I'm loosely aware of the possible mangled(?) attributes when Exchange is deployed; I'll need to re-read up on that. I haven't decided yet on if I'll perform an OS upgrade of the PDCE to 2003 or try building a new 2003 DC. Most of what I've read/heard about so far is that this type of migration should be pretty straight forward, but I figured I'd ask while still in the early planning stages while I still have time to adjust as necessary. Oh, and if anyone knows of any post 2003 RTM hotfixes that should be applied to the DC's right off the bat, I'd appreciate info on that, too. List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations
This sounds like a valid approach but would recommend new installs of 2K3 if you can do it versus upgrades. You could show me hundreds of perfectly fine upgrades but will still prefer a fresh install until MS displays a report at the end of the upgrade that tells me what items are using old OS configurations versus new configurations and what I would have to do to correct them to the new configurations. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grillenmeier, Guido Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations unless you really have a badly designed or misbehaving Win2k AD today, there is no reason for you to go through a migration with all the hassles involved (the hassles are worth it for consolidation and other reasons, but not to go from 2000 to 2003). So stick to an inplace upgrade and check out the following KB with more details: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325379 You mainly have to be aware of the preparations to take for the mangled attributes during forestprep and the changes in the default security of AD, which could impact some legacy clients. /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2004 00:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations I know MS has some decent whitepapers on migrations, but I was curious if any of you have any real-world feedback on tips or gotchas to be aware of when going from 2000 to 2003. The kind of migration I'm talking about is for a small environment, all Windows 2000, native mode, 8 DC's in 5 sites, maybe 3000 users. Exchange 2003 is also in use. I'm thinking of doing an in-place upgrade as opposed to a migration with ADMT into a new Forest. I know to run adprep /forestprep and /domainprep. I'm loosely aware of the possible mangled(?) attributes when Exchange is deployed; I'll need to re-read up on that. I haven't decided yet on if I'll perform an OS upgrade of the PDCE to 2003 or try building a new 2003 DC. Most of what I've read/heard about so far is that this type of migration should be pretty straight forward, but I figured I'd ask while still in the early planning stages while I still have time to adjust as necessary. Oh, and if anyone knows of any post 2003 RTM hotfixes that should be applied to the DC's right off the bat, I'd appreciate info on that, too. List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations
unless you really have a badly designed or misbehaving Win2k AD today, there is no reason for you to go through a migration with all the hassles involved (the hassles are worth it for consolidation and other reasons, but not to go from 2000 to 2003). So stick to an inplace upgrade and check out the following KB with more details: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;325379 You mainly have to be aware of the preparations to take for the mangled attributes during forestprep and the changes in the default security of AD, which could impact some legacy clients. /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Dienstag, 13. Juli 2004 00:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] 2000 to 2003 Migrations I know MS has some decent whitepapers on migrations, but I was curious if any of you have any real-world feedback on tips or gotchas to be aware of when going from 2000 to 2003. The kind of migration I'm talking about is for a small environment, all Windows 2000, native mode, 8 DC's in 5 sites, maybe 3000 users. Exchange 2003 is also in use. I'm thinking of doing an in-place upgrade as opposed to a migration with ADMT into a new Forest. I know to run adprep /forestprep and /domainprep. I'm loosely aware of the possible mangled(?) attributes when Exchange is deployed; I'll need to re-read up on that. I haven't decided yet on if I'll perform an OS upgrade of the PDCE to 2003 or try building a new 2003 DC. Most of what I've read/heard about so far is that this type of migration should be pretty straight forward, but I figured I'd ask while still in the early planning stages while I still have time to adjust as necessary. Oh, and if anyone knows of any post 2003 RTM hotfixes that should be applied to the DC's right off the bat, I'd appreciate info on that, too. List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
