RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
I think the docs I skimmed included a recommendation to put the activation service on DCs so you dont need to license a new box to run the key server. You can also opt not to have an internal activation server. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:37 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation I can completely understand Microsoft's point, don't get me wrong. I guess it just kinda gets my goat that they're so tired of people using VLE keys as the new favorite of license violators that they're going to put the onus on the business owners to pay for a new server just to manage Microsoft's licenses. Also, Vista is one thing, but Longhorn? Do they really have that many server instances running with VLE keys that it justifies a company having to pay for 1-10 licensing servers (remember, not everyone is 100% in a single global region) to keep not only my workstations up and running, but the servers too? I just kinda feel like if they're going to go this far, they should provide me with a license appliance to handle every x number of stations. Enough people are paying for software assurance where it seems like it would be a good business move to keep people happy, a little good with the bad I guess. The scary part that I'm wondering about is what they're going to do with the retail/OEM versions of the software. There are enough people out there who will buy a computer but not have an internet connection (yes, I know it's not a *huge* number, the internet is half the reason a lot of people get computers), what are they going to have to do, call MS every 180 days to 'reactivate' their computer? Talk about a pain. My father would just end up giving his computer away if it came to that. Granted, he's 60 and doesn't know a tenth what most people under the age of 30 know about computers, but those are the people who need everything more convenient and less of a hassle. On 10/4/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft's Software Protection Platform: Protecting Software and Customers from Counterfeiters: The company announces innovative technology in Windows Vista and Windows Server Longhorn to reduce the risk of piracy and software tampering while improving software licensing.: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspx Windows Genuine Advantage : New technology to protect Windows Vista and other products: http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2006/10/04/New-technology-to-protect-Windows-Vista-and-other-products.aspx Whitepaper http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/9/c2935f83-1a10-4e4a-a137-c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc As long as it works and works well, and when it's updated it gets disclosed so that tinfoil folks won't be shutting off auto updates because that's what's happening now. Brian Desmond wrote: *I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys.* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *c - 312.731.3132* * * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hargraves *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
Correct. There is no requirement to implement an additional server for licensing purposes, and it is noted throughout the documentation that there is no such requirement. Laura From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian DesmondSent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:48 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation I think the docs I skimmed included a recommendation to put the activation service on DCs so you dont need to license a new box to run the key server. You can also opt not to have an internal activation server. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt HargravesSent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:37 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation I can completely understand Microsoft's point, don't get me wrong.I guess it just kinda gets my goat that they're so tired of people using VLE keys as the new favorite of license violators that they're going to put the onus on the business owners to pay for a new server just to manage Microsoft's licenses. Also, Vista is one thing, but Longhorn? Do they really have that many server instances running with VLE keys that it justifies a company having to pay for 1-10 licensing servers (remember, not everyone is 100% in a single global region) to keep not only my workstations up and running, but the servers too? I just kinda feel like if they're going to go this far, they should provide me with a license appliance to handle every x number of stations. Enough people are paying for software assurance where it seems like it would be a good business move to keep people happy, a little good with the bad I guess. The scary part that I'm wondering about is what they're going to do with the retail/OEM versions of the software. There are enough people out there who will buy a computer but not have an internet connection (yes, I know it's not a *huge* number, the internet is half the reason a lot of people get computers), what are they going to have to do, call MS every 180 days to 'reactivate' their computer? Talk about a pain. My father would just end up giving his computer away if it came to that. Granted, he's 60 and doesn't know a tenth what most people under the age of 30 know about computers, but those are the people who need everything more convenient and less of a hassle. On 10/4/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft's Software Protection Platform: Protecting Software andCustomers from Counterfeiters: The company announces innovativetechnology in Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn" to reduce therisk of piracy and software tampering while improving software licensing.: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspxWindows Genuine Advantage : New technology to protect Windows Vista and other products:http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2006/10/04/New-technology-to-protect-Windows-Vista-and-other-products.aspx Whitepaperhttp://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/9/c2935f83-1a10-4e4a-a137-c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc As long as it works and works well, and when it's updated it getsdisclosed so that tinfoil folks won't be shutting off auto updatesbecause that's what's happening now.Brian Desmond wrote: *I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys.* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *c - 312.731.3132* * * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hargraves *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx --Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days?http://www.threatcode.comIf you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbsList info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
I can completely understand Microsoft's point, don't get me wrong.I guess it just kinda gets my goat that they're so tired of people using VLE keys as the new favorite of license violators that they're going to put the onus on the business owners to pay for a new server just to manage Microsoft's licenses. Also, Vista is one thing, but Longhorn? Do they really have that many server instances running with VLE keys that it justifies a company having to pay for 1-10 licensing servers (remember, not everyone is 100% in a single global region) to keep not only my workstations up and running, but the servers too? I just kinda feel like if they're going to go this far, they should provide me with a license appliance to handle every x number of stations. Enough people are paying for software assurance where it seems like it would be a good business move to keep people happy, a little good with the bad I guess. The scary part that I'm wondering about is what they're going to do with the retail/OEM versions of the software. There are enough people out there who will buy a computer but not have an internet connection (yes, I know it's not a *huge* number, the internet is half the reason a lot of people get computers), what are they going to have to do, call MS every 180 days to 'reactivate' their computer? Talk about a pain. My father would just end up giving his computer away if it came to that. Granted, he's 60 and doesn't know a tenth what most people under the age of 30 know about computers, but those are the people who need everything more convenient and less of a hassle. On 10/4/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft's Software Protection Platform: Protecting Software andCustomers from Counterfeiters: The company announces innovativetechnology in Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn" to reduce therisk of piracy and software tampering while improving software licensing.: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspxWindows Genuine Advantage : New technology to protect Windows Vista and other products:http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2006/10/04/New-technology-to-protect-Windows-Vista-and-other-products.aspx Whitepaperhttp://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/9/c2935f83-1a10-4e4a-a137-c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc As long as it works and works well, and when it's updated it getsdisclosed so that tinfoil folks won't be shutting off auto updatesbecause that's what's happening now.Brian Desmond wrote: *I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys.* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *c - 312.731.3132* * * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hargraves *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx --Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days?http://www.threatcode.comIf you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbsList info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
OEMs pre-activate. (off topic) Matt Hargraves wrote: I can completely understand Microsoft's point, don't get me wrong. I guess it just kinda gets my goat that they're so tired of people using VLE keys as the new favorite of license violators that they're going to put the onus on the business owners to pay for a new server just to manage Microsoft's licenses. Also, Vista is one thing, but Longhorn? Do they really have that many server instances running with VLE keys that it justifies a company having to pay for 1-10 licensing servers (remember, not everyone is 100% in a single global region) to keep not only my workstations up and running, but the servers too? I just kinda feel like if they're going to go this far, they should provide me with a license appliance to handle every x number of stations. Enough people are paying for software assurance where it seems like it would be a good business move to keep people happy, a little good with the bad I guess. The scary part that I'm wondering about is what they're going to do with the retail/OEM versions of the software. There are enough people out there who will buy a computer but not have an internet connection (yes, I know it's not a *huge* number, the internet is half the reason a lot of people get computers), what are they going to have to do, call MS every 180 days to 'reactivate' their computer? Talk about a pain. My father would just end up giving his computer away if it came to that. Granted, he's 60 and doesn't know a tenth what most people under the age of 30 know about computers, but those are the people who need everything more convenient and less of a hassle. On 10/4/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft's Software Protection Platform: Protecting Software and Customers from Counterfeiters: The company announces innovative technology in Windows Vista and Windows Server Longhorn to reduce the risk of piracy and software tampering while improving software licensing.: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspx Windows Genuine Advantage : New technology to protect Windows Vista and other products: http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2006/10/04/New-technology-to-protect-Windows-Vista-and-other-products.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2006/10/04/New-technology-to-protect-Windows-Vista-and-other-products.aspx Whitepaper http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/9/c2935f83-1a10-4e4a-a137-c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/9/c2935f83-1a10-4e4a-a137-c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc As long as it works and works well, and when it's updated it gets disclosed so that tinfoil folks won't be shutting off auto updates because that's what's happening now. Brian Desmond wrote: *I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys.* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *c - 312.731.3132* * * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hargraves *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
The process is nothing like that.There's a lot of hyperbole around this whole thing, IMO. It's really not as onerus as many of these speculative articles would have people believe. Seriously, folks, dig a little and you'll find things like this: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/9/12/5269 ...and then maybe Chicken Little can go back to the coop for another year or two. :-) Laura From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt HargravesSent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:30 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation When you've got 100k workstations in your environment and it takes 2-3 minutes to run through the activation and then however much time to manage the server...100k*2.5 ends up equalling about 2 year's worth of wages for a single employee (call it $120k total). I don't mind them trying to protect keys, but it's not the companies with 1k+ workstations, it's the companies with 50 workstations and 'computer geniuses' (don't you dread it when you hear that phrase - you know something's *really* screwed up) who are using invalid or stolen keys. I know that 120k might be 'beans' to a large company, but reality is that you just increased the deployment cost for a new tool. If I can run XP for an extra 2 years and use the version after Vista, then I just saved my company $120k.. I just paid my salary for the next year probably. This is how management personnel think - that's why we call them 'bean counters' because that 120k means something to them. They know that not using legit versions is not a valid solution, but they also know that saving $120k means something after you do it 10 times (and just saved the company 0.1% off their costs - every little bit counts for accountants). On 10/3/06, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt HargravesSent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product...Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volumelicensing activation.List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
Oh, one other thing- it most certainly *is* companies with 1000+ workstations who are exceeding their license purchases. They're typically not doing it intentionally, but they're most certainly doing it. (Of course, not *all* companies of any particular size do it, but there are far more that do than one might expect.) That's why there's a whole process called a "true-up", which is where companies license purchases are compared against their actual usage and they pay for the difference between what they paid for and what they have actually been using. You'd be surprised how many installations in extremely large environments are *not* legally licensed. That's the whole reason that things such as this approach have become necessary. We're talking about millions, even billions of dollars in unlicensed software use here, not a few hundred or even a few thousand dollars. Every little bit counts for Microsoft, too. :-) Again, however, the volume licensing activation process is nothing like what you're thinking it is. It's silent, automatic, and a lot simpler than people are assuming it to be. Laura From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt HargravesSent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:30 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation When you've got 100k workstations in your environment and it takes 2-3 minutes to run through the activation and then however much time to manage the server...100k*2.5 ends up equalling about 2 year's worth of wages for a single employee (call it $120k total). I don't mind them trying to protect keys, but it's not the companies with 1k+ workstations, it's the companies with 50 workstations and 'computer geniuses' (don't you dread it when you hear that phrase - you know something's *really* screwed up) who are using invalid or stolen keys. I know that 120k might be 'beans' to a large company, but reality is that you just increased the deployment cost for a new tool. If I can run XP for an extra 2 years and use the version after Vista, then I just saved my company $120k.. I just paid my salary for the next year probably. This is how management personnel think - that's why we call them 'bean counters' because that 120k means something to them. They know that not using legit versions is not a valid solution, but they also know that saving $120k means something after you do it 10 times (and just saved the company 0.1% off their costs - every little bit counts for accountants). On 10/3/06, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt HargravesSent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product...Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volumelicensing activation.List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
Personally I find the licensing policies of Microsoft much harder to understand than the technical issues. With the plethora of good and often free alternatives I am amazed at the insensitivity shown by Microsoft to its customers who are made to jump through hoops like performing dogs. I could give it examples but I guess you've all seen them. Peter Jessop MSCE On 10/4/06, Laura A. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, one other thing- it most certainly *is* companies with 1000+ workstations who are exceeding their license purchases. They're typically not doing it intentionally, but they're most certainly doing it. (Of course, not *all* companies of any particular size do it, but there are far more that do than one might expect.) That's why there's a whole process called a true-up, which is where companies license purchases are compared against their actual usage and they pay for the difference between what they paid for and what they have actually been using. You'd be surprised how many installations in extremely large environments are *not* legally licensed. That's the whole reason that things such as this approach have become necessary. We're talking about millions, even billions of dollars in unlicensed software use here, not a few hundred or even a few thousand dollars. Every little bit counts for Microsoft, too. :-) Again, however, the volume licensing activation process is nothing like what you're thinking it is. It's silent, automatic, and a lot simpler than people are assuming it to be. Laura From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation When you've got 100k workstations in your environment and it takes 2-3 minutes to run through the activation and then however much time to manage the server... 100k*2.5 ends up equalling about 2 year's worth of wages for a single employee (call it $120k total). I don't mind them trying to protect keys, but it's not the companies with 1k+ workstations, it's the companies with 50 workstations and 'computer geniuses' (don't you dread it when you hear that phrase - you know something's *really* screwed up) who are using invalid or stolen keys. I know that 120k might be 'beans' to a large company, but reality is that you just increased the deployment cost for a new tool. If I can run XP for an extra 2 years and use the version after Vista, then I just saved my company $120k.. I just paid my salary for the next year probably. This is how management personnel think - that's why we call them 'bean counters' because that 120k means something to them. They know that not using legit versions is not a valid solution, but they also know that saving $120k means something after you do it 10 times (and just saved the company 0.1% off their costs - every little bit counts for accountants). On 10/3/06, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
Microsoft’s Software Protection Platform: Protecting Software and Customers from Counterfeiters: The company announces innovative technology in Windows Vista and Windows Server “Longhorn” to reduce the risk of piracy and software tampering while improving software licensing.: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspx Windows Genuine Advantage : New technology to protect Windows Vista and other products: http://blogs.msdn.com/wga/archive/2006/10/04/New-technology-to-protect-Windows-Vista-and-other-products.aspx Whitepaper http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/9/c2935f83-1a10-4e4a-a137-c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc As long as it works and works well, and when it's updated it gets disclosed so that tinfoil folks won't be shutting off auto updates because that's what's happening now. Brian Desmond wrote: *I read through the docs on this vl activation and it’s not as bad as it sounds. They’re really just trying to protect the keys.* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *c - 312.731.3132* * * *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hargraves *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product...Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes.On 10/2/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volumelicensing activation.List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
When you've got 100k workstations in your environment and it takes 2-3 minutes to run through the activation and then however much time to manage the server...100k*2.5 ends up equalling about 2 year's worth of wages for a single employee (call it $120k total). I don't mind them trying to protect keys, but it's not the companies with 1k+ workstations, it's the companies with 50 workstations and 'computer geniuses' (don't you dread it when you hear that phrase - you know something's *really* screwed up) who are using invalid or stolen keys. I know that 120k might be 'beans' to a large company, but reality is that you just increased the deployment cost for a new tool. If I can run XP for an extra 2 years and use the version after Vista, then I just saved my company $120k.. I just paid my salary for the next year probably. This is how management personnel think - that's why we call them 'bean counters' because that 120k means something to them. They know that not using legit versions is not a valid solution, but they also know that saving $120k means something after you do it 10 times (and just saved the company 0.1% off their costs - every little bit counts for accountants).On 10/3/06, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation
I dont think the docs are public so just take my word its not like the consumer activation process. Ive been in orgs larger than that, dont worry I cringed when I heard about it too. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation When you've got 100k workstations in your environment and it takes 2-3 minutes to run through the activation and then however much time to manage the server... 100k*2.5 ends up equalling about 2 year's worth of wages for a single employee (call it $120k total). I don't mind them trying to protect keys, but it's not the companies with 1k+ workstations, it's the companies with 50 workstations and 'computer geniuses' (don't you dread it when you hear that phrase - you know something's *really* screwed up) who are using invalid or stolen keys. I know that 120k might be 'beans' to a large company, but reality is that you just increased the deployment cost for a new tool. If I can run XP for an extra 2 years and use the version after Vista, then I just saved my company $120k.. I just paid my salary for the next year probably. This is how management personnel think - that's why we call them 'bean counters' because that 120k means something to them. They know that not using legit versions is not a valid solution, but they also know that saving $120k means something after you do it 10 times (and just saved the company 0.1% off their costs - every little bit counts for accountants). On 10/3/06, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read through the docs on this vl activation and it's not as bad as it sounds. They're really just trying to protect the keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Hargraves Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:34 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: Volume licensing activation Yeah... MS is going to get really high levels of adoption on this product... Gotta wonder what in the heck they're thinking sometimes. On 10/2/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=26 Mary Jo Foley reports that the next version of Vista will have Volume licensing activation. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
