[agi] I Wrote an IA program, SIID, Simulatore IDee .. .
Which thing we want from a IA? , we want TRULY something? the doubt rises me that nobody affidera' never to the words of a program, e' piu' easy to entrust itself to a book. the book from the emergency, its words cannot change, what there e' written e' nearly sure reliable. it is entrusted to us of piu' to the handbook of the bimby in order making the mousse of chocolate that to an expert system of jurisprudence. who, would make to pilot its machine to a program? who would make to regulate its cardiac heartbeat to a program, if she were not in danger of dead women? the fact e' that nobody wants to have dependency from one STUPID person PIU if not for reasons of friendship or compassion. . and who could never try friendship or compassion for a pentium4? ah. I have found, we cover the beautiful pentium with a peluches soft, and put a resistance from 40W that loporti to a temperature gradevole. all fact. our program diventera' INFINITELY PIU' EVOLUTO AND WORKS THEM. perhaps qualcono iniziera' to use it. _ Self-Building Robotic Brain - Fri, Nov 26, 2004, Davy Bartoloni 12th May 2004, 11:56 #9 Member Experience Computer: Experienced++ Join: May 2004 Davy Bartoloni is Online (Active in topic: Italian team pinpoints the origin of consciousness) Top Davy Bartoloni Junoir member Recorded: 16/02/06 00:58 Messages: 77 Residence: Wedge Envoy: Ven Giu 30, 2006 10:37 am Object: After this vent, I continue. Then, today task ce a structure of this type, is the piu' flexible. cmq remains in attended of suggestions. INPUT INFORMATION a tot of information. rescue of the information originates them (for one successive rivisitazione) OPTIMIZATION INFORMATION finche' the integral structure e', e' better to remove due rough errors to human imprecisioni DIVISION INFOMAZIONI small subdivision of the information in piu' that the program puo' to process NORMALIZATION OF THE SINGLE INFORMATION a rounding of the information in order to facilitate searches recording, and to improve the velocita' of elaboration SOTITUZIONE OF THE SIMILAR INFORMATION if 2 information are practically identical, but they defer the not necessary deliveries to the intentional result. to render them, this in order to improve the structure of logon of the information identical, and to increase the possibilita' of replies. CREATION OF THE INTERCONNECTIONS creation of a net for every information, reaching to all the information cher are known, (those not still uniforms), therefore a number TOT of nets, with gunlayers, valences, peaks, percentages, and all which everyone of we think piu' appropriated for the treatment. COMPARISON OF THE NETS the comparison for the likenesses of the several created nets, unification in one final net. EXTRACTION OF THE DISTANCE extraction of the distance in order to obtain the result. CREATION OF THE RESULT always reaching to all the infomazioni available, to create a reply, with it turns out obtained from the net, trying the not important parts to you of the result., therefore result finale= turned out net + you leave not important . placed side by side to these well you leave, in contemporary, dovra' to be in function also a part of: RECOVERY INFORMATION. that is a procedure for being able to make the demands appopriate, for research purposes for information lacking. (external searches on database, Internet, asking directly or indirectly persons. or inserting the demands piu' or less celatamente in other contexts. after one night of job. it seems that siid it finally succeeds to use as usual of the tabelline (inserted to the stregua of the children.. 1 for 2 equal to 2, 3 x 3 uguuale to 6. etc. an other step ahead. and the next one? . the ruotine moves them. that sara' in charge of the various answers to the questions, based on humor of Siid. naturally false answers will arrive alone in case of Hatred with the customer. if cmq someone wanted to try to make a plan parallel, is on hand for whichever thing. the only things demanded from the programming language, and the possibilita' to manage ARRAY and GUNLAYERS. other not servants. (even some good function than management stringhe. but not e' of vital importance if someone wanted to contact to me privately, in order to create a Team online. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello and good job to All! as far as instrucing. in realta the system, puo to approach of the witnesses, uniforms in phrases. with completed sense or not. we say that for the tabelline, I have docvuto to write just, the multiplications in characters. two for three ago six for other things, the thing puo' is epiu' vague. Spyware Trojan Horse in Windows-Xp, Malware application. Siid, based on lists that it has. it creates the base net (than a net does not have valences on the nodes) e' only that indicates the logons. if this net e'
[agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?
I am beginning to wonder if this forum would be better off with a restricted membership policy. Richard Loosemore Davy Bartoloni - Minware S.r.l. wrote: Which thing we want from a IA? , we want TRULY something? the doubt rises me that nobody affidera' never to the words of a program, e' piu' easy to entrust itself to a book. the book from the emergency, its words cannot change, what there e' written e' nearly sure reliable. it is entrusted to us of piu' to the handbook of the bimby in order making the mousse of chocolate that to an expert system of jurisprudence. who, would make to pilot its machine to a program? who would make to regulate its cardiac heartbeat to a program, if she were not in danger of dead women? the fact e' that nobody wants to have dependency from one STUPID person PIU if not for reasons of friendship or compassion. . and who could never try friendship or compassion for a pentium4? ah. I have found, we cover the beautiful pentium with a peluches soft, and put a resistance from 40W that loporti to a temperature gradevole. all fact. our program diventera' INFINITELY PIU' EVOLUTO AND WORKS THEM. perhaps qualcono iniziera' to use it. _ Self-Building Robotic Brain - Fri, Nov 26, 2004, Davy Bartoloni 12th May 2004, 11:56 #9 Member Experience Computer: Experienced++ Join: May 2004 Davy Bartoloni is Online (Active in topic: Italian team pinpoints the origin of consciousness) Top Davy Bartoloni Junoir member Recorded: 16/02/06 00:58 Messages: 77 Residence: Wedge Envoy: Ven Giu 30, 2006 10:37 am Object: After this vent, I continue. Then, today task ce a structure of this type, is the piu' flexible. cmq remains in attended of suggestions. INPUT INFORMATION a tot of information. rescue of the information originates them (for one successive rivisitazione) OPTIMIZATION INFORMATION finche' the integral structure e', e' better to remove due rough errors to human imprecisioni DIVISION INFOMAZIONI small subdivision of the information in piu' that the program puo' to process NORMALIZATION OF THE SINGLE INFORMATION a rounding of the information in order to facilitate searches recording, and to improve the velocita' of elaboration SOTITUZIONE OF THE SIMILAR INFORMATION if 2 information are practically identical, but they defer the not necessary deliveries to the intentional result. to render them, this in order to improve the structure of logon of the information identical, and to increase the possibilita' of replies. CREATION OF THE INTERCONNECTIONS creation of a net for every information, reaching to all the information cher are known, (those not still uniforms), therefore a number TOT of nets, with gunlayers, valences, peaks, percentages, and all which everyone of we think piu' appropriated for the treatment. COMPARISON OF THE NETS the comparison for the likenesses of the several created nets, unification in one final net. EXTRACTION OF THE DISTANCE extraction of the distance in order to obtain the result. CREATION OF THE RESULT always reaching to all the infomazioni available, to create a reply, with it turns out obtained from the net, trying the not important parts to you of the result., therefore result finale= turned out net + you leave not important . placed side by side to these well you leave, in contemporary, dovra' to be in function also a part of: RECOVERY INFORMATION. that is a procedure for being able to make the demands appopriate, for research purposes for information lacking. (external searches on database, Internet, asking directly or indirectly persons. or inserting the demands piu' or less celatamente in other contexts. after one night of job. it seems that siid it finally succeeds to use as usual of the tabelline (inserted to the stregua of the children.. 1 for 2 equal to 2, 3 x 3 uguuale to 6. etc. an other step ahead. and the next one? . the ruotine moves them. that sara' in charge of the various answers to the questions, based on humor of Siid. naturally false answers will arrive alone in case of Hatred with the customer. if cmq someone wanted to try to make a plan parallel, is on hand for whichever thing. the only things demanded from the programming language, and the possibilita' to manage ARRAY and GUNLAYERS. other not servants. (even some good function than management stringhe. but not e' of vital importance if someone wanted to contact to me privately, in order to create a Team online. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello and good job to All! as far as instrucing. in realta the system, puo to approach of the witnesses, uniforms in phrases. with completed sense or not. we say that for the tabelline, I have docvuto to write just, the multiplications in characters. two for three ago six for other things, the thing puo' is epiu' vague. Spyware Trojan Horse in Windows-Xp, Malware
Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?
On 7/26/06, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am beginning to wonder if this forum would be better off with arestricted membership policy. Well we only get stuff like that once in a blue moon so I don't see a major problem. If it started being every day then yeah, I'd agree there was a case for making changes. To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?
i Used a very Poor Translator... - Original Message - From: BillK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum? On 7/26/06, Richard Loosemore wrote: I am beginning to wonder if this forum would be better off with a restricted membership policy. Richard Loosemore Davy Bartoloni - Minware S.r.l. wrote: Which thing we want from a IA? , we want TRULY something? the doubt rises me that nobody affidera' never to the words of a program, e' piu' easy to entrust itself to a book. the book from the emergency, its words cannot change, what there e' written e' nearly sure reliable. it is entrusted to us of piu' to the handbook of the bimby in order making the mousse of snip It *might* sound a bit better in the original Italian??? But Babelfish / Google translate has made a real mess of it. BillK --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 25/07/2006 --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?
Basically, as you can all probably see, Davy has written a chat bot typeof program. If you email him he'll send you a copy --- he says it's a bitover 1.5 MB and runs on XP.It's a bit hard to understand how it works, partly because (by his own confession) he doesn't know much about AI and so doesn't know toproperly describe what he's doing.The machine translation is made considerably worse by the fact that he'snot writing in proper Italian --- he's using abbreviations for words, not using standard vowel accents, punctuation, capitalisation etc...ShaneOn 7/26/06, Davy Bartoloni - Minware S.r.l. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:i Used a very Poor Translator...- Original Message - From: BillK [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: agi@v2.listbox.comSent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:08 PMSubject: Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum? On 7/26/06, Richard Loosemore wrote: I am beginning to wonder if this forum would be better off with a restricted membership policy. Richard LoosemoreDavy Bartoloni - Minware S.r.l. wrote: Which thing we want from a IA? , we want TRULY something? thedoubt rises me that nobody affidera' never to the words of a program, e' piu' easy to entrust itself to a book. the book from the emergency, its wordscannot change, what there e' written e' nearly sure reliable. it isentrusted to us of piu' to the handbook of the bimby in order making the mousse of snip It *might* sound a bit better in the original Italian??? But Babelfish / Google translate has made a real mess of it. BillK --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate yoursubscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 25/07/2006 ---To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription,please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?
Richard Loosemore wrote: I am beginning to wonder if this forum would be better off with a restricted membership policy. SL4 uses the List Sniper technique. Anyone can join, and if they don't seem suitable, they're removed. The bane of mailing lists is well-intentioned but stupid people, and list moderators who can't bring themselves to say anything so impolite as Goodbye. -- Eliezer S. Yudkowsky http://singinst.org/ Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[agi] programming at the edge of cybernetics
Gents, I was prompted to write up the following by a discussion (argument?) I'm having with Marvin Minsky: Enjoy, Josh - Programming at the Edge of Cybernetics The two major approaches to engineering the mind, cybernetics and AI, differ sharply in approach. Cybernetics was based on differential equations, where AI favors sequential, symbolic, programs. Sequential programming is much easier than differential equations. You can say exactly what happens, and when. More specifically, effects only go one way. Statement A affects the values as seen by statement B, but not vice versa. This is to some extent like the difference between a digital logic circuit and an analog one: In a digital circuit, signals only go one way on a wire, and what happens downstream can't affect what happens upstream. One reason sequential programming is so intuitive is that at the conscious level, we live in a sequential world. This was the intuition Turing captured in the Turing Machine: you do one thing after another, and what happens during the second step can't affect the first. Earlier steps are faits accomplis; causality just doesn't work backwards in time. That's how we see things and how we do things. We design physical machines as causal chains, too. The fire boils the water into steam which pushes against the piston which cranks the wheel, making the train move. But when the train hits a slope, the weight turns to torque which forms a back-pressure on the piston and the whole process slows. The causal chain in a locomotive is not described by a sequential program, but by an equation. It is important to separate two distinctions that I've conflated so far. One is the sequential versus equational formulation with their difference in causality flow. The other is discrete versus continuous. Although they are often linked, as in analog versus digital circuits, they do not have to be. We can build continuous circuits that exhibit one-way causality, such as meters and op-amps, and we can build digital systems that exhibit two-way causality, such as cellular automata. (Two-way in space, anyway!) The sequential program is the most unresponsive form of machine Man has yet invented. If we had built a locomotive with a sequential program, the fire would heat the water, steam would push the piston, and when the torque on the wheel was insufficient for the slope, the program would dump core or pop up an error window with a useless and insulting message. With a sequential program, you simply can't push back. What actually happens in the mind? Let's consider a Society of Mind-like agency, with a Build agent that gets blocks by activating Find, Reach, and Grasp in sequence. At this level, the sequential aspect in Build is necessary. But inside, say, Reach, there may be something more: Reach is using Look to guage the positions of the hand, and various Muscles to move it. But the Muscles are giving proprioceptive feedback as to expected position, and the eyes have to be moved to track the hand. You can think of lots of servo loops, or perhaps more simply, of a set of equational constraints being set up that tracks an equilibrium. When the hand reaches position over a block, Build switches from Reach to Grasp. Or does it? It would make more sense to run both for an overlap period, where each constrained the other. Inside Grasp, therre's an equilibrium to be found between muscle tension and skin pressure. There's probably even more interaction between Find and the earlier parts of Reach. This works well in a continuous domain, but what about a discrete, symbolic one? I think that equation-like constraints are at work there too. Consider language, which requires a series of distinct symbols. We use various forms of word agreement, devices like alliteration and consonance, continued metaphors, segues and transitions to stitch speech seemingly seamlessly (sorry!). Back in the programming world, there is a wealth of forms in which equations can be used to harness two-way causality. There are continuous differential systems, the physicist's friend. There are diophantine equations and discrete constraint systems, and various forms of linear programming. There is Backus' algebra of functions, the point of which the field of functional programming appears to have missed. At the molecular scale, there are two ways to build machines. We can either build them like macroscale machines, with parts like gears and shafts that have to be put together by robot manipulators as a macroscale machine would, or by self-assembly, having the parts float around and match up, the way a virus forms. In designing nanomachines, I came up with a hybrid notion: self-assisted assembly. (I'd bet Drexler thought of it first, but I was the first to use the phrase in print.) The idea is that you use machine-like systems, but do the finest manipulations with self-assembly. For example, if you want to put a screw into a threaded hole, you hold it
Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?
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