Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:54:26PM -0700, Jason Polites wrote: So, the NDK stuff is pretty simply if your project is created in an NDK Friendly way. That is, you have a folder called jni and in that folder you have an Android.mk and an Application.mk file. Yeah, it's definitely configured in the NDK Friendly way, as you say. I basically just installed the NDK (back then) per the docs, right beside the SDK under ~/Android, and included the jni directory in the project's top-level. Frankly, I didn't even know there's another way (and don't know or care what that would be---it's easier to just do it the right way, IMHO). :-) You have two options: 1. Create an ANT script that simply calls the ndk-build executable. For example: [] 2. Configure an External Tool in intellij. Here's an example: http://cl.ly/image/3n020g1S1v1H I'm not really interested in whether or not IntelliJ does the builds for the JNI stuff, just debugging (preferably, as I mentioned, including the OpenCV stuff, which is 99% of the JNI code so far). I'd LOVE to have code completion, lint, etc., for that. I do the NDK builds by hand anyways. Then I have an extra script that copies the OpenCV libs back, since the NDK build seems to always want to rm them. From what I've gathered, I could probably just put that extra bit into a script in IntelliJ, and probably will...eventually. Right now, I've barely scratched the surface, and have a LOT of RTFM time to put in (or maybe it's simple enough that I don't ... we shall see). As for the OpenCV question (assuming you're referring to the fact that this is C++) then this is where intellij falls down a little. I have a similar issue with Box2D and my solution is to run a separate eclipse for this, but the eclipse is a pure CDT flavor. Yuck. No, ultimately, I only want one of the two in use. My brain (since my first cancer) has enough trouble with one I'm also, btw, hoping the editor in IntelliJ is better (no, please, no comp.editors style wars here! ... this is just my opinion) than the one in Eclipse (which had me doing the edits in gvim, and then syncing from Eclipse). If you ONLY run CDT (and download the I should probably already know this, and I'm probably using it and just not recognizing it by name, but what is CDT? Thanks for the great info---I'm definitely holding on to your reply for both current and future reference. Thanks, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 Running Mac OS X Lion spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W In light of DHS's recommendation to defend yourself against armed intruders with scissors, I'm giving my deer rifle a new nickname: Scissors. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Google should build it's own IDE and just model it after Visual Studio. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:47:11 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: OK.. I've just about had enough of eclipse. I have been using it for 10+ years (ever since it was WSAD :/) and have put up with it's slowness, buggyness, upgrade nightmares, plugins that don't work, plugins that do work.. then don't, random crashes etc etc... but I just can't take it anymore. This latest version of eclipse (Juno Service Release 2 Build id: 20130225-0426) is so riddled with bugs that I can't get through just a few hours with either my delete key not working ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2539672/my-delete-key-wont-work-in-eclipse-in-os-x), files not saving, a veritable torrent of NullPointerExceptions in the Error Log which manifest as random UI failures mixed in with the occasional but predictable complete crash followed by a build the world on restart that takes about 3 days. I love eclipse, but enough is enough. So.. is intellij for Android development a realistic option? Obviously Google make plugins for eclipse so this is always going to be the first stop for SDK updates, but if anyone is out there who has made the switch from eclipse to intellij *specifically for Android work* please let me know your opinion. I also do a reasonable amount in C++ using the CDT (which is a whole other source of issues) and I understand that this is not a strong point for intellij (?) I really wish the folks at eclipse (whoever they are) would stop trying to build features and just make the darn thing stable... I mean 10 years.. c'mon guys. :/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 02:32:57PM -0700, bob wrote: I tried intelliJ on Mac yesterday, and it *was* a hassle telling it where the JDK and Android SDK were. I'm not even sure how I got past that part. A lot of fiddling and googling were involved. I just downloaded it and got started with it---it seemed to find the JDK was on its own, so I let it go with that. As for the SDK, I just selected ~/Android/android-sdk-macosx and it figured it out. Guess I got lucky (that, or it's not going to work right). What I haven't figured out is how to A) get it to recognize the NDK B) get it to use ~/Android/workspace/OpenCV-2.4.1 If anyone can either help me with these or point me towards the appropriate FM so I can RTFM, I'd appreciate it. I did find some forum pages saying it's not supported, but they were all over a year old, so Anyhow, it is working now, and the fonts are pretty nice on Mac. I'd say I prefer them over Eclipse. I saw a video on the UI designer, and it looks pretty nice Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 Running Mac OS X Lion spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W In light of DHS's recommendation to defend yourself against armed intruders with scissors, I'm giving my deer rifle a new nickname: Scissors. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
So, the NDK stuff is pretty simply if your project is created in an NDK
Friendly way. That is, you have a folder called jni and in that folder
you have an Android.mk and an Application.mk file. Basically the process
documented here (
http://developer.android.com/tools/sdk/ndk/index.html#GetStarted). If
that's the case then the NDK integration is pretty easy, although it
doesn't have much to do with Intellij as such.
You have two options:
1. Create an ANT script that simply calls the ndk-build executable. For
example:
project name=ndk default=ndk-build
property file=../local.properties /
target name=ndk-build
exec executable=${ndk.dir}/ndk-build failonerror=true/
/target
target name=ndk-clean
exec executable=${ndk.dir}/ndk-build failonerror=true
arg value=clean/
/exec
/target
/project
(ndk.dir is just the path where the NDK is installed)
2. Configure an External Tool in intellij. Here's an example:
http://cl.ly/image/3n020g1S1v1H
In either case you can configure them to run after or before a project
build or before running the project.
As for the OpenCV question (assuming you're referring to the fact that this
is C++) then this is where intellij falls down a little. I have a similar
issue with Box2D and my solution is to run a separate eclipse for this, but
the eclipse is a pure CDT flavor. If you ONLY run CDT (and download the
CDT version of eclipse rather than stuffing the CDT plugin into an other
version) then it all runs pretty smoothly and actually doesn't seem to use
much memory.
One of the wonderful things about Intellij is also that it automatically
picks up changes on the file system (something eclipse has never done). So
if I change a .cpp file and rebuild within CDT but the time a flick back to
intellij it's already updated itself and I'm good to go.
I'll admit it's not ideal having two separate IDE's, but in many ways it
makes more sense. Not to mention that it (so far) has lead to far fewer
headaches.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Jim Graham spooky1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 02:32:57PM -0700, bob wrote:
I tried intelliJ on Mac yesterday, and it *was* a hassle telling it where
the JDK and Android SDK were.
I'm not even sure how I got past that part. A lot of fiddling and
googling
were involved.
I just downloaded it and got started with it---it seemed to find the JDK
was on its own, so I let it go with that. As for the SDK, I just
selected ~/Android/android-sdk-macosx and it figured it out. Guess I
got lucky (that, or it's not going to work right).
What I haven't figured out is how to
A) get it to recognize the NDK
B) get it to use ~/Android/workspace/OpenCV-2.4.1
If anyone can either help me with these or point me towards the
appropriate FM so I can RTFM, I'd appreciate it. I did find some forum
pages saying it's not supported, but they were all over a year old,
so
Anyhow, it is working now, and the fonts are pretty nice on Mac. I'd
say I
prefer them over Eclipse.
I saw a video on the UI designer, and it looks pretty nice
Later,
--jim
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Hi, On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:42:38 AM UTC+1, Lew wrote: It puts it in perspective, that is, it illustrates the value of arguing over the best editor as folks have been doing here. One more reason to use Maven — every team member can use the Editor/IDE he/she likes best. Martin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Hi, On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:59:42 PM UTC+1, Jason wrote: I initially tried to get the C++ pluginhttp://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/?id=1373to work for my NDK related stuff but just couldn't get the paths setup correctly (I assume) because none of my includes were resolving so I gave up. Again: the Android Maven Pluginhttp://code.google.com/p/maven-android-plugin/might be the answer. Then all you need from the C++ plugin http://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/?id=1373 is syntax highlight. Martin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Actually what I really want is code complete (and all the bells and whistles that go along with a proper editor). Syntax highlighting actually works without any plugins but if you want any sort of code complete (et. al.) then it's going to require some sort of C++ interpreter. Running the NDK build is fairly trivial (either via ANT or just command line configured as an external tool in Intellij). I tried several times with the C++ plugin for Intellij but just kept getting all sorts of errors in the logs generated by the plugin and it just couldn't seem to recognize any header files. I assume I did something wrong with the paths etc but all the errors were just too painful so I removed it. Aside from that I've now been working in Intellij exclusively for the past few days and here's my (semi) informed opinion. I still feel like eclipse is a better tool from a feature perspective. The three main things I think eclipse has over intellij in this regard is: 1. Screen area. The perspectives concept in eclipse wins hands down over the somewhat cramped panel approach of Intellij and although eclipse too has similar panels you can arrange them in whichever way you like in eclipse whereas intellij lacks some flexibility in this regard. 2. Code complete. Some aspects of the code complete in Intellij are actually a lot better than eclipse, but there are a few irritating aspects in intellij like methods not having their parameters auto completed and the organize imports equivalent not dealing with classes you haven't imported yet. 3. Debugging. The debugger in eclipse just seems better organized and more intuitive. This could just be a familiarity thing though. However, the fact that I have been using Intellij consistently for 3 days and have not had one single error (aside from some problems with the C++ plugin which is 3rd party) and the fact that it's SO much faster than eclipse has made the overall experience a breath of fresh air. Startup/Shutdown time is much faster, debugging is approximately one million times faster (I'm talking debugging on an Android device here) and despite the slight shortfall when it comes to feature breadth there are a bunch of cool features in Intellij that are not in eclipse, so I guess on the whole they're probably about even. Suffice to say I will not be going back to eclipse any time soon unless I absolutely have to. Reminds me of the day I switched from PC to Mac.. another one of those never go back moments. On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Martin Krischik krisc...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi, On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:59:42 PM UTC+1, Jason wrote: I initially tried to get the C++ pluginhttp://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/?id=1373to work for my NDK related stuff but just couldn't get the paths setup correctly (I assume) because none of my includes were resolving so I gave up. Again: the Android Maven Pluginhttp://code.google.com/p/maven-android-plugin/might be the answer. Then all you need from the C++ plugin http://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/?id=1373 is syntax highlight. Martin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-developers/03O6rEVdXCY/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ozzy's Odyssey! A new game for Android https://market.android.com/details?id=com.carboncrystal.odyssey http://www.carboncrystal.com/ http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Hallo Jarson: On Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:12:18 AM UTC+1, Jason wrote: 1. Screen area. The perspectives concept in eclipse wins hands down over the somewhat cramped panel approach of Intellij and although eclipse too has similar panels you can arrange them in whichever way you like in eclipse whereas intellij lacks some flexibility in this regard. Eclipse perspectives are a quite cool and hard to beat. However, did you try the options popping up when you click the gear icon (which every panel has). For example on a two monitor set-up using “floating” on debugger and/or logcat might clean up things. Not docking = auto hide is an option for windows you don't need visible all the time or need loot of real estate to be useful (i.E. Subversion and Atlassian Pannels). I for example have the project and structure permanently visible, logcat and debugger detached on the 2nd monitor and all the rest is on auto hide. Last not least: it makes a difference if you you drag the panel button to the furthest left/right or up/down inside the area for panel buttons. Martin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Jason wrote: Sure, but the intention of the thread was to inform as to whether intellij is a realistic option for Android development. People are relaying their personal experience with each, which is all valid, relevant information for those interested in the answer, which I am since I posted the original question. But again, thanks for the contribution. The intent of my post was to point out that discussion of editors (IDEs included) has always been an open-ended and subjective matter. Anything anyone says on such matters has to be taken with a hod-ful of salt because it is basically a matter of taste, or even religious fervor. The only way to know is to try. And in my own experience, not to get too attached to one or another but to leverage each according to its strengths and weaknesses. I guess I was being too subtle. But anyway, you're welcome. I hope you come to appreciate the value of my contribution minus your condescension. Lew wrote: Jason wrote: Not sure how that helps the discussion, but thanks. It puts it in perspective, that is, it illustrates the value of arguing over the best editor as folks have been doing here. Does that make it clearer? Lew wrote: Jason wrote: My issue has never been with the features of eclipse [sic] .. [sic] they're awesome. My issue is that they just don't work. Running CDT along side [sic] regular Java along side Android ADT is just broken. I am constantly getting combinations of: http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Editor_warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war -- Lew -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
I tried intelliJ on Mac yesterday, and it *was* a hassle telling it where the JDK and Android SDK were. I'm not even sure how I got past that part. A lot of fiddling and googling were involved. Anyhow, it is working now, and the fonts are pretty nice on Mac. I'd say I prefer them over Eclipse. Plus, it seems a bit less sluggish than Eclipse. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:17:28 PM UTC-5, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:59:55 PM UTC+4, Martin Krischik wrote: Am Dienstag, 12. März 2013 17:51:41 UTC+1 schrieb b0b: Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. Have you ever considered that this is so because is truly Intellij IDEA is awesome. Consider this: Almost every Java programmer has used eclipse at one time. So everybody who bashes Eclipse actually knows what he / she is talking about. *Have you tried Intellij IDEA?* I tried several times, most recently, as it happens, today. First, on Ubuntu. Fonts in IDEA are lacking antialising or hinting or both. JetBrains' response on an old bug report about this is won't fix, Linux market is too small, not worth it. Tried a couple magic tweaks found on the 'net, still, no improvement. Next, rebooted into Windows 8. IDEA could not find the installed JDK when trying to create a new Android project, so I could not get past the new Android project stage. Will try again when it won't make my eyes bleed and is able to find Java :) -- K -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
So I've been working in Intellij all day today, although most of the time was spent in the setup/config process. I initially tried to get the C++ plugin http://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/?id=1373 to work for my NDK related stuff but just couldn't get the paths setup correctly (I assume) because none of my includes were resolving so I gave up. The config of Android SDK and JDK were a little unexpected but I wonder if that has more to do with importing from an eclipse project or not. Anyway this didn't take long to setup. I think most of the confusion is just around different naming conventions in Intellij (project vs module). So I now have my Android project in Intellij building, running and debugging fine. I decided to just download a fresh copy of eclipse CDT only for the C/C++ work and with just CDT it seems to be running fine. So far my experience in actually using the tool has been good, but I'm not sure it's all that much better than eclipse. It's definitely faster and more responsive, but also seems to use more RAM and I really miss the perspectives in eclipse (debugging in Intellij can mean you run out of screen real estate really fast. Double monitor would probably help here). Now that I'm running two IDEs (CDT for C++, Intellij for Java) I'm wondering whether I'd get a similar level of stability from running two separate eclipse instances. I'm going to continue to use Intellij for a good amount of time to get over the initial learning curve on the tool itself. I'm wary about drawing conclusions that are more about learning how to use a hammer than whether the hammer works well. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM, bob b...@coolfone.comze.com wrote: I tried intelliJ on Mac yesterday, and it *was* a hassle telling it where the JDK and Android SDK were. I'm not even sure how I got past that part. A lot of fiddling and googling were involved. Anyhow, it is working now, and the fonts are pretty nice on Mac. I'd say I prefer them over Eclipse. Plus, it seems a bit less sluggish than Eclipse. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:17:28 PM UTC-5, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:59:55 PM UTC+4, Martin Krischik wrote: Am Dienstag, 12. März 2013 17:51:41 UTC+1 schrieb b0b: Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. Have you ever considered that this is so because is truly Intellij IDEA is awesome. Consider this: Almost every Java programmer has used eclipse at one time. So everybody who bashes Eclipse actually knows what he / she is talking about. *Have you tried Intellij IDEA?* I tried several times, most recently, as it happens, today. First, on Ubuntu. Fonts in IDEA are lacking antialising or hinting or both. JetBrains' response on an old bug report about this is won't fix, Linux market is too small, not worth it. Tried a couple magic tweaks found on the 'net, still, no improvement. Next, rebooted into Windows 8. IDEA could not find the installed JDK when trying to create a new Android project, so I could not get past the new Android project stage. Will try again when it won't make my eyes bleed and is able to find Java :) -- K -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-developers/03O6rEVdXCY/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ozzy's Odyssey! A new game for Android https://market.android.com/details?id=com.carboncrystal.odyssey http://www.carboncrystal.com/ http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. As I said in my original post I've been using eclipse for as long as there has been an eclipse and many many of the concepts in how data is presented in eclipse make a LOT of sense. The problem is that it's buggy. And I don't mean a few minor issues here and there, I mean hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures that make an average day of using eclipse less desirable than a barbed wire sandwich. If one was to use eclipse to endlessly write Hello World apps in a pure java environment without any external data sources, or libraries, or version control system, or other languages.. then one would likely be quite happy and be completely confused why anyone would see a problem with eclipse. Like I said in the original post.. I love eclipse, I just can't deal with it anymore. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, b0b wrote: Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
I don't think that's been my experience: I've never intended to bash Eclipse on the sole basis that I've not taken time to give it some overall evaluation. For me, Eclipse eats tons of ram, the plugins I use usually break it (though this is really a problem with those plugins, it's definitely not a great thing that Eclipse ends up in an inconsistent state so easily), and I feel like my screenspace is completely wasted with it's thousands of panels. (Using an eclipse fullscreen plugin is completely necessary, in my opinion..) I don't want to say that Eclipse sucks for everyone: maybe it's just that I haven't taken the time to properly configure it for my needs. At the same time, I'm not advocating IntelliJ either. It's obvious that Eclipse has certain points that many people will find advantageous: lots of users, ADT emphasis, a mature development community. But at the same time, I come back again and again to Eclipse and try to reevaluate how it can fit into my workflow. I've consistently found that it doesn't work for my needs: it doesn't integrate with command line build tools (maybe I'm in the minority of people here), I consistently get a buggy enough experience that it forces me to restart it, etc... I actually have *tried* to use Eclipse multiple times, and the metaannoynces of Eclipse crashing before my knees for some strange reason has forced me asking why I even use it? I can live without it. (FYI I have used Eclipse for some other projects, and it's worked fine, but my experiences with respect to Android have not been pleasant..) Kris On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM, b0b pujos.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Oh my gosh, did I just walk into the 21st century version of vi vs emacs. Bottom line: They all suck, just in different ways. For the love of all that is good and right in the universe, don't try to tell me IDEA has no hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures, because I have used it for close to 10 years, and I KNOW that's not true. My advice: Pick the one that sucks the least *for you* and use it for what you need to do. Larry On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jason jason.poli...@gmail.com wrote: Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. As I said in my original post I've been using eclipse for as long as there has been an eclipse and many many of the concepts in how data is presented in eclipse make a LOT of sense. The problem is that it's buggy. And I don't mean a few minor issues here and there, I mean hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures that make an average day of using eclipse less desirable than a barbed wire sandwich. If one was to use eclipse to endlessly write Hello World apps in a pure java environment without any external data sources, or libraries, or version control system, or other languages.. then one would likely be quite happy and be completely confused why anyone would see a problem with eclipse. Like I said in the original post.. I love eclipse, I just can't deal with it anymore. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, b0b wrote: Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
That's basically the point, but at the same time, a discussion as to which workflows go well with which environments may be constructive for some users. I think it's best to take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt... Eclipse will suck to some people, other things will suck to other people. (As an example, I'm sure most people probably think that emacs sucks as an IDE!) Kris On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Larry Meadors larry.mead...@gmail.comwrote: Oh my gosh, did I just walk into the 21st century version of vi vs emacs. Bottom line: They all suck, just in different ways. For the love of all that is good and right in the universe, don't try to tell me IDEA has no hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures, because I have used it for close to 10 years, and I KNOW that's not true. My advice: Pick the one that sucks the least *for you* and use it for what you need to do. Larry On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jason jason.poli...@gmail.com wrote: Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. As I said in my original post I've been using eclipse for as long as there has been an eclipse and many many of the concepts in how data is presented in eclipse make a LOT of sense. The problem is that it's buggy. And I don't mean a few minor issues here and there, I mean hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures that make an average day of using eclipse less desirable than a barbed wire sandwich. If one was to use eclipse to endlessly write Hello World apps in a pure java environment without any external data sources, or libraries, or version control system, or other languages.. then one would likely be quite happy and be completely confused why anyone would see a problem with eclipse. Like I said in the original post.. I love eclipse, I just can't deal with it anymore. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, b0b wrote: Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
IntelliJ certainly has its own issues :) On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Larry Meadors larry.mead...@gmail.comwrote: Oh my gosh, did I just walk into the 21st century version of vi vs emacs. Bottom line: They all suck, just in different ways. For the love of all that is good and right in the universe, don't try to tell me IDEA has no hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures, because I have used it for close to 10 years, and I KNOW that's not true. My advice: Pick the one that sucks the least *for you* and use it for what you need to do. Larry On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jason jason.poli...@gmail.com wrote: Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. As I said in my original post I've been using eclipse for as long as there has been an eclipse and many many of the concepts in how data is presented in eclipse make a LOT of sense. The problem is that it's buggy. And I don't mean a few minor issues here and there, I mean hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures that make an average day of using eclipse less desirable than a barbed wire sandwich. If one was to use eclipse to endlessly write Hello World apps in a pure java environment without any external data sources, or libraries, or version control system, or other languages.. then one would likely be quite happy and be completely confused why anyone would see a problem with eclipse. Like I said in the original post.. I love eclipse, I just can't deal with it anymore. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, b0b wrote: Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
I don't care to argue about the superiority or inferiority of each product; I'll just say that after trying Xcode, Eclipse, and IntelliJ (and after having used Visual Studio since version 2.0), IntelliJ was the one product that made intuitive sense to me. I assume that this is because its paradigm is similar in many ways to Visual Studio, not because it's inherently better. I will, however, stand by my observation that NDK development in Eclipse is no fun at all. That isn't necessarily the fault of Eclipse. Ian On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Romain Guy romain...@android.com wrote: IntelliJ certainly has its own issues :) On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Larry Meadors larry.mead...@gmail.comwrote: Oh my gosh, did I just walk into the 21st century version of vi vs emacs. Bottom line: They all suck, just in different ways. For the love of all that is good and right in the universe, don't try to tell me IDEA has no hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures, because I have used it for close to 10 years, and I KNOW that's not true. My advice: Pick the one that sucks the least *for you* and use it for what you need to do. Larry On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jason jason.poli...@gmail.com wrote: Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. As I said in my original post I've been using eclipse for as long as there has been an eclipse and many many of the concepts in how data is presented in eclipse make a LOT of sense. The problem is that it's buggy. And I don't mean a few minor issues here and there, I mean hair pulling, vein popping, cat kicking failures that make an average day of using eclipse less desirable than a barbed wire sandwich. If one was to use eclipse to endlessly write Hello World apps in a pure java environment without any external data sources, or libraries, or version control system, or other languages.. then one would likely be quite happy and be completely confused why anyone would see a problem with eclipse. Like I said in the original post.. I love eclipse, I just can't deal with it anymore. On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:51:41 AM UTC-7, b0b wrote: Eclipse for life here. I use it for Android, regular Java, C/C++, GWT development. Having it all in the same IDE is nice. Bashing Eclipse is popular. Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. This pattern is 100% predictable, especially on some developers IRC channels, where bitching about build tools is a recurring activity. Note: I have noting against Intellij. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-developers/03O6rEVdXCY/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ian Ni-Lewis Staff Developer Programs
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Am Dienstag, 12. März 2013 06:47:11 UTC+1 schrieb Jason: So.. is intellij for Android development a realistic option? *Yes!* Absolutely. We at NOSER Bern use nothing else for Android Development. Note that we also Maven and in theory every developer is free to chose the IDE. But in praxis Intellij IDEA is so superior that everybody dumped Eclipse. At least for Android development. In the past we started Eclipse from time to time for the GUI-Designer. But now Intellij IDEA has an GUI-Designer for Android as well. So even that is history. As far as I see the more important question is: Is Eclipse for Android development a realistic option? Obviously Google make plugins for eclipse so this is always going to be the first stop fist stop ≠ best stop. And besides: Intellij IDEA was first to have colour highlight for logcat. The first to have search in logcat (filter ≠ search). So Eclispe is not even *“always going to be the first stop*”. Martin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Am Dienstag, 12. März 2013 17:51:41 UTC+1 schrieb b0b: Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. Have you ever considered that this is so because is truly Intellij IDEA is awesome. Consider this: Almost every Java programmer has used eclipse at one time. So everybody who bashes Eclipse actually knows what he / she is talking about. *Have you tried Intellij IDEA?* Martin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:59:55 PM UTC+4, Martin Krischik wrote: Am Dienstag, 12. März 2013 17:51:41 UTC+1 schrieb b0b: Each time someone bashes Eclipse, it is generally followed by stating how awesome Intellij is. Have you ever considered that this is so because is truly Intellij IDEA is awesome. Consider this: Almost every Java programmer has used eclipse at one time. So everybody who bashes Eclipse actually knows what he / she is talking about. *Have you tried Intellij IDEA?* I tried several times, most recently, as it happens, today. First, on Ubuntu. Fonts in IDEA are lacking antialising or hinting or both. JetBrains' response on an old bug report about this is won't fix, Linux market is too small, not worth it. Tried a couple magic tweaks found on the 'net, still, no improvement. Next, rebooted into Windows 8. IDEA could not find the installed JDK when trying to create a new Android project, so I could not get past the new Android project stage. Will try again when it won't make my eyes bleed and is able to find Java :) -- K -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
W dniu wtorek, 12 marca 2013 18:13:16 UTC+1 użytkownik Jason napisał: Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. Exaggerating a bit, don't you think? Sure 4.2 isn't such a great release (new UI framework is still buggy, but SR2 helped a lot - at least on linux and windows). I work a lot with native (c++) code and I didn't find any IDE that can replace eclipse for that, also I use a lot AST based navigation (type hierarchy, call hierarchy, override paths, outlines, data flows) and I really didn't find any IDE matching eclipse in this regard (and that is for single language not to mention for both java and c++). So I really think millage may vary and IDEs comparison are extremely subjective, so my advice is: try other options and see if they works for you. -- Bart -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
My issue has never been with the features of eclipse.. they're awesome. My issue is that they just don't work. Running CDT along side regular Java along side Android ADT is just broken. I am constantly getting combinations of: weird behavior (dialogs not containing default values, false-positive errors in config dialogs, failure to locate referenced libraries, failure to index referenced libraries for code complete), visible errors (Alert dialogs reporting that an error occurred with a details section that simply says NullPointerException, eclipse Error Logs with literally hundreds of errors usually NPEs, and UI controls simply ceasing to work.. that is, panels that fail to load and just display a blank screen or windows that simply don't display), and of course complete crashes at LEAST once per day. I'm not saying it's easy.. quite the opposite. I'm sure building an IDE to do all this is immensely difficult but that shouldn't mean we just lower our expectations to accomodate should it? I love all the features of eclipse and I too make extensive use or type hierarchy views, refactoring etc etc but I wonder how much I'd be willing to give up for the sake of stability. Actually I know how much... a lot. I recently had to disable Build Automatically because it would cause unrecoverable crashes when ADT tried to create a JAR file. So I had to manually build every time I wanted to see a change. It was a bit of a pain but FAR less than the pain of having to restart every hour or so. I've now been using Intellij (Community Edition) for about 3 hours so it's too early to tell definitively but so far all the features I want are there (with the exception of C++ support) so we'll see if it lives up to its reputation from a stability/speed perspective. On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:18 PM, a1 arco...@gmail.com wrote: W dniu wtorek, 12 marca 2013 18:13:16 UTC+1 użytkownik Jason napisał: Bashing eclipse is popular because eclipse is a horrible experience, from start to end. Exaggerating a bit, don't you think? Sure 4.2 isn't such a great release (new UI framework is still buggy, but SR2 helped a lot - at least on linux and windows). I work a lot with native (c++) code and I didn't find any IDE that can replace eclipse for that, also I use a lot AST based navigation (type hierarchy, call hierarchy, override paths, outlines, data flows) and I really didn't find any IDE matching eclipse in this regard (and that is for single language not to mention for both java and c++). So I really think millage may vary and IDEs comparison are extremely subjective, so my advice is: try other options and see if they works for you. -- Bart -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-developers/03O6rEVdXCY/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ozzy's Odyssey! A new game for Android https://market.android.com/details?id=com.carboncrystal.odyssey http://www.carboncrystal.com/ http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Jason wrote: My issue has never been with the features of eclipse [sic] .. [sic] they're awesome. My issue is that they just don't work. Running CDT along side [sic] regular Java along side Android ADT is just broken. I am constantly getting combinations of: http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war -- Lew -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Not sure how that helps the discussion, but thanks. On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Lew lewbl...@gmail.com wrote: Jason wrote: My issue has never been with the features of eclipse [sic] .. [sic] they're awesome. My issue is that they just don't work. Running CDT along side [sic] regular Java along side Android ADT is just broken. I am constantly getting combinations of: http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war -- Lew -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-developers/03O6rEVdXCY/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ozzy's Odyssey! A new game for Android https://market.android.com/details?id=com.carboncrystal.odyssey http://www.carboncrystal.com/ http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Jason wrote: Not sure how that helps the discussion, but thanks. It puts it in perspective, that is, it illustrates the value of arguing over the best editor as folks have been doing here. Does that make it clearer? Lew wrote: Jason wrote: My issue has never been with the features of eclipse [sic] .. [sic] they're awesome. My issue is that they just don't work. Running CDT along side [sic] regular Java along side Android ADT is just broken. I am constantly getting combinations of: http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war -- Lew -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
Sure, but the intention of the thread was to inform as to whether intellij is a realistic option for Android development. People are relaying their personal experience with each, which is all valid, relevant information for those interested in the answer, which I am since I posted the original question. But again, thanks for the contribution. On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Lew lewbl...@gmail.com wrote: Jason wrote: Not sure how that helps the discussion, but thanks. It puts it in perspective, that is, it illustrates the value of arguing over the best editor as folks have been doing here. Does that make it clearer? Lew wrote: Jason wrote: My issue has never been with the features of eclipse [sic] .. [sic] they're awesome. My issue is that they just don't work. Running CDT along side [sic] regular Java along side Android ADT is just broken. I am constantly getting combinations of: http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Editor_warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war -- Lew -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/android-developers/03O6rEVdXCY/unsubscribe?hl=en . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Ozzy's Odyssey! A new game for Android https://market.android.com/details?id=com.carboncrystal.odyssey http://www.carboncrystal.com/ http://www.carboncrystal.com/droid-odyssey/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [android-developers] Re: Eclipse or Intellij.. what's the verdict?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:04:53AM -0700, Ian Ni-Lewis wrote: I don't care to argue about the superiority or inferiority of each product; Just FWIW, I, no doubt like most here, still remember what comp.editors used to be like in the weekly editor wars, some of which were still going while the next had already started. I'd hate to see that happen here. However, having said that, this conversation has made me decide to at least see what IntelliJ is, exactly, and how it works vs Eclipse. Then I'll decide on that for myself. :-) (No, I haven't really been following this thread until now...but I do know how to look it up grin). I will, however, stand by my observation that NDK development in Eclipse is no fun at all. That isn't necessarily the fault of Eclipse. I don't know about that last bit---I never did get it to work with Eclipse. I just use the NDK and its scripts, along with one or two of my own scripts. Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 Running Mac OS X Lion spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W In light of DHS's recommendation to defend yourself against armed intruders with scissors, I'm giving my deer rifle a new nickname: Scissors. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
