Re: [android-developers] Why Android doesn't provide features update via OTA?

2017-08-22 Thread yogesh . dahiya 
I think I already mentioned that in first post. (Removed hardware level in 
Android 8). 
But that doesn't bring Push Red Button to Deploy Updates on every android 
devices feature. 



On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 18:41:10 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>
> Read about project Treble. I believe that's Google's current answer to 
> this issue.
>
> Marina
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:56 PM,  
> wrote:
>
>> Ya right. But at least they can try it say for next 2 versions. If their 
>> market share is falling then reverse back to current system. 
>>
>> By giving option to manufacture to alter the OS they are delaying 
>> security patches. Who suffers in "capital war"? End user. 
>>
>> Because manufacturer doesn't provide updates on time, everyone knows it. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 August 2017 20:31:01 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>>>
>>> One could think that they have enough of a market share right now to try 
>>> it but... 
>>>
>>> I think they know more about what's going on than what I know. So I 
>>> don't think I'm qualified to be against Google's decisions :)
>>>
>>> Marina
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:13 PM,  wrote:
>>>

 The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs 
> and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship 
> their 
> devices with.


 Well Google should take he risk. Don't allow manufacturer to alter it's 
 base android. You said that most OEM won't use Android. What would they 
 do? 

 Everyone knows what happened to Symbian (Nokia), Bada (Samung), 
 Blackberry. Android is in demand. And no one can replace it at least not 
 in 
 another 10 years. 

 I don't know about "Marketing" thing. But I know what happened to other 
 OS. What are your opinions about it? 







 On Friday, 18 August 2017 00:54:20 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>
> The difference, I believe, is more in the maturity of the hardware.
>
> In the PC/laptop world, there is already a lot of standards on 
> relation on how the hardware interfaces are made. Most devices are mostly 
> the same, or at least "have to" respond to the same interfaces, so their 
> drivers are the only thing that need to be added. And Windows in phones 
> is 
> sold only in a few devices; the relation is more similar to iPhone/iOs 
> that 
> to what Android's market is and it's not comparable.
>
> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs 
> and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship 
> their 
> devices with. 
>
> If they could try to enforce that, most OEMs would decide not to use 
> Android, because they WANT to make things different visually, and because 
> they NEED to optimise stuff on relation with their hardware.
>
> The solution Google found is to put more and more functionality into 
> the Google Play Services app and other independent apps. That way 
> sometimes 
> they can force changes on most devices. That's the closest they can get 
> to 
> an "OTA" update without alienating the OEMs.
>
>
> Marina
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:
>
>> 1) Android release updates. 
>> 2) Manufacturer alter those updates.  (Of course Android removed 
>> hardware level in Android 8) 
>>
>> Why can't Google release all updates via OTA just like Microsoft do 
>> for its PC and Mobile systems? 
>>
>> Android is very mature by now. Billions of users are using it but it 
>> doesn't have OTA update feature.
>>
>> Android requirement is less than 1 GB. But our 4GB handset gets old 
>> in one or two year. Because Manufacturer doesn't release New android 
>> version on old devices. 
>>
>> Can't Google solve this problem? 
>>
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Re: [android-developers] Why Android doesn't provide features update via OTA?

2017-08-22 Thread Marina Cuello 
Read about project Treble. I believe that's Google's current answer to this
issue.

Marina

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:56 PM,  wrote:

> Ya right. But at least they can try it say for next 2 versions. If their
> market share is falling then reverse back to current system.
>
> By giving option to manufacture to alter the OS they are delaying security
> patches. Who suffers in "capital war"? End user.
>
> Because manufacturer doesn't provide updates on time, everyone knows it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, 18 August 2017 20:31:01 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>>
>> One could think that they have enough of a market share right now to try
>> it but...
>>
>> I think they know more about what's going on than what I know. So I don't
>> think I'm qualified to be against Google's decisions :)
>>
>> Marina
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:13 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs
 and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their
 devices with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well Google should take he risk. Don't allow manufacturer to alter it's
>>> base android. You said that most OEM won't use Android. What would they do?
>>>
>>> Everyone knows what happened to Symbian (Nokia), Bada (Samung),
>>> Blackberry. Android is in demand. And no one can replace it at least not in
>>> another 10 years.
>>>
>>> I don't know about "Marketing" thing. But I know what happened to other
>>> OS. What are your opinions about it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 18 August 2017 00:54:20 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:

 The difference, I believe, is more in the maturity of the hardware.

 In the PC/laptop world, there is already a lot of standards on relation
 on how the hardware interfaces are made. Most devices are mostly the same,
 or at least "have to" respond to the same interfaces, so their drivers are
 the only thing that need to be added. And Windows in phones is sold only in
 a few devices; the relation is more similar to iPhone/iOs that to what
 Android's market is and it's not comparable.

 The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs
 and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their
 devices with.

 If they could try to enforce that, most OEMs would decide not to use
 Android, because they WANT to make things different visually, and because
 they NEED to optimise stuff on relation with their hardware.

 The solution Google found is to put more and more functionality into
 the Google Play Services app and other independent apps. That way sometimes
 they can force changes on most devices. That's the closest they can get to
 an "OTA" update without alienating the OEMs.


 Marina


 On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:

> 1) Android release updates.
> 2) Manufacturer alter those updates.  (Of course Android removed
> hardware level in Android 8)
>
> Why can't Google release all updates via OTA just like Microsoft do
> for its PC and Mobile systems?
>
> Android is very mature by now. Billions of users are using it but it
> doesn't have OTA update feature.
>
> Android requirement is less than 1 GB. But our 4GB handset gets old in
> one or two year. Because Manufacturer doesn't release New android version
> on old devices.
>
> Can't Google solve this problem?
>
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Re: [android-developers] Why Android doesn't provide features update via OTA?

2017-08-18 Thread yogesh . dahiya 
Ya right. But at least they can try it say for next 2 versions. If their 
market share is falling then reverse back to current system. 

By giving option to manufacture to alter the OS they are delaying security 
patches. Who suffers in "capital war"? End user. 

Because manufacturer doesn't provide updates on time, everyone knows it. 





On Friday, 18 August 2017 20:31:01 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>
> One could think that they have enough of a market share right now to try 
> it but... 
>
> I think they know more about what's going on than what I know. So I don't 
> think I'm qualified to be against Google's decisions :)
>
> Marina
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:13 PM,  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs 
>>> and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their 
>>> devices with.
>>
>>
>> Well Google should take he risk. Don't allow manufacturer to alter it's 
>> base android. You said that most OEM won't use Android. What would they do? 
>>
>> Everyone knows what happened to Symbian (Nokia), Bada (Samung), 
>> Blackberry. Android is in demand. And no one can replace it at least not in 
>> another 10 years. 
>>
>> I don't know about "Marketing" thing. But I know what happened to other 
>> OS. What are your opinions about it? 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 August 2017 00:54:20 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>>>
>>> The difference, I believe, is more in the maturity of the hardware.
>>>
>>> In the PC/laptop world, there is already a lot of standards on relation 
>>> on how the hardware interfaces are made. Most devices are mostly the same, 
>>> or at least "have to" respond to the same interfaces, so their drivers are 
>>> the only thing that need to be added. And Windows in phones is sold only in 
>>> a few devices; the relation is more similar to iPhone/iOs that to what 
>>> Android's market is and it's not comparable.
>>>
>>> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs 
>>> and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their 
>>> devices with. 
>>>
>>> If they could try to enforce that, most OEMs would decide not to use 
>>> Android, because they WANT to make things different visually, and because 
>>> they NEED to optimise stuff on relation with their hardware.
>>>
>>> The solution Google found is to put more and more functionality into the 
>>> Google Play Services app and other independent apps. That way sometimes 
>>> they can force changes on most devices. That's the closest they can get to 
>>> an "OTA" update without alienating the OEMs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 1) Android release updates. 
 2) Manufacturer alter those updates.  (Of course Android removed 
 hardware level in Android 8) 

 Why can't Google release all updates via OTA just like Microsoft do for 
 its PC and Mobile systems? 

 Android is very mature by now. Billions of users are using it but it 
 doesn't have OTA update feature.

 Android requirement is less than 1 GB. But our 4GB handset gets old in 
 one or two year. Because Manufacturer doesn't release New android version 
 on old devices. 

 Can't Google solve this problem? 

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Re: [android-developers] Why Android doesn't provide features update via OTA?

2017-08-18 Thread Marina Cuello 
One could think that they have enough of a market share right now to try it
but...

I think they know more about what's going on than what I know. So I don't
think I'm qualified to be against Google's decisions :)

Marina

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:13 PM,  wrote:

>
> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs and
>> Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their
>> devices with.
>
>
> Well Google should take he risk. Don't allow manufacturer to alter it's
> base android. You said that most OEM won't use Android. What would they do?
>
> Everyone knows what happened to Symbian (Nokia), Bada (Samung),
> Blackberry. Android is in demand. And no one can replace it at least not in
> another 10 years.
>
> I don't know about "Marketing" thing. But I know what happened to other
> OS. What are your opinions about it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, 18 August 2017 00:54:20 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>>
>> The difference, I believe, is more in the maturity of the hardware.
>>
>> In the PC/laptop world, there is already a lot of standards on relation
>> on how the hardware interfaces are made. Most devices are mostly the same,
>> or at least "have to" respond to the same interfaces, so their drivers are
>> the only thing that need to be added. And Windows in phones is sold only in
>> a few devices; the relation is more similar to iPhone/iOs that to what
>> Android's market is and it's not comparable.
>>
>> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs
>> and Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their
>> devices with.
>>
>> If they could try to enforce that, most OEMs would decide not to use
>> Android, because they WANT to make things different visually, and because
>> they NEED to optimise stuff on relation with their hardware.
>>
>> The solution Google found is to put more and more functionality into the
>> Google Play Services app and other independent apps. That way sometimes
>> they can force changes on most devices. That's the closest they can get to
>> an "OTA" update without alienating the OEMs.
>>
>>
>> Marina
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> 1) Android release updates.
>>> 2) Manufacturer alter those updates.  (Of course Android removed
>>> hardware level in Android 8)
>>>
>>> Why can't Google release all updates via OTA just like Microsoft do for
>>> its PC and Mobile systems?
>>>
>>> Android is very mature by now. Billions of users are using it but it
>>> doesn't have OTA update feature.
>>>
>>> Android requirement is less than 1 GB. But our 4GB handset gets old in
>>> one or two year. Because Manufacturer doesn't release New android version
>>> on old devices.
>>>
>>> Can't Google solve this problem?
>>>
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Re: [android-developers] Why Android doesn't provide features update via OTA?

2017-08-17 Thread yogesh . dahiya 


> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs and 
> Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their 
> devices with.


Well Google should take he risk. Don't allow manufacturer to alter it's 
base android. You said that most OEM won't use Android. What would they do? 

Everyone knows what happened to Symbian (Nokia), Bada (Samung), Blackberry. 
Android is in demand. And no one can replace it at least not in another 10 
years. 

I don't know about "Marketing" thing. But I know what happened to other OS. 
What are your opinions about it? 







On Friday, 18 August 2017 00:54:20 UTC+5:30, Marina Cuello wrote:
>
> The difference, I believe, is more in the maturity of the hardware.
>
> In the PC/laptop world, there is already a lot of standards on relation on 
> how the hardware interfaces are made. Most devices are mostly the same, or 
> at least "have to" respond to the same interfaces, so their drivers are the 
> only thing that need to be added. And Windows in phones is sold only in a 
> few devices; the relation is more similar to iPhone/iOs that to what 
> Android's market is and it's not comparable.
>
> The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs and 
> Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their 
> devices with. 
>
> If they could try to enforce that, most OEMs would decide not to use 
> Android, because they WANT to make things different visually, and because 
> they NEED to optimise stuff on relation with their hardware.
>
> The solution Google found is to put more and more functionality into the 
> Google Play Services app and other independent apps. That way sometimes 
> they can force changes on most devices. That's the closest they can get to 
> an "OTA" update without alienating the OEMs.
>
>
> Marina
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 PM,  
> wrote:
>
>> 1) Android release updates. 
>> 2) Manufacturer alter those updates.  (Of course Android removed hardware 
>> level in Android 8) 
>>
>> Why can't Google release all updates via OTA just like Microsoft do for 
>> its PC and Mobile systems? 
>>
>> Android is very mature by now. Billions of users are using it but it 
>> doesn't have OTA update feature.
>>
>> Android requirement is less than 1 GB. But our 4GB handset gets old in 
>> one or two year. Because Manufacturer doesn't release New android version 
>> on old devices. 
>>
>> Can't Google solve this problem? 
>>
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2017-08-17 Thread Marina Cuello 
The difference, I believe, is more in the maturity of the hardware.

In the PC/laptop world, there is already a lot of standards on relation on
how the hardware interfaces are made. Most devices are mostly the same, or
at least "have to" respond to the same interfaces, so their drivers are the
only thing that need to be added. And Windows in phones is sold only in a
few devices; the relation is more similar to iPhone/iOs that to what
Android's market is and it's not comparable.

The only way Google could imitate that is if they don't allow the OEMs and
Carriers to change anything on the versions of Android they ship their
devices with.

If they could try to enforce that, most OEMs would decide not to use
Android, because they WANT to make things different visually, and because
they NEED to optimise stuff on relation with their hardware.

The solution Google found is to put more and more functionality into the
Google Play Services app and other independent apps. That way sometimes
they can force changes on most devices. That's the closest they can get to
an "OTA" update without alienating the OEMs.


Marina


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:

> 1) Android release updates.
> 2) Manufacturer alter those updates.  (Of course Android removed hardware
> level in Android 8)
>
> Why can't Google release all updates via OTA just like Microsoft do for
> its PC and Mobile systems?
>
> Android is very mature by now. Billions of users are using it but it
> doesn't have OTA update feature.
>
> Android requirement is less than 1 GB. But our 4GB handset gets old in one
> or two year. Because Manufacturer doesn't release New android version on
> old devices.
>
> Can't Google solve this problem?
>
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