Tony Blair interview: transcript in full [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Try not to throw up at this. Butcher Blair's hypocrisy is unbelievable. This is a man responsible for the deaths of thousands of people and for encouraging terrorists world wide. The, I hesitate to call him a man, is despicable. JDK Wednesday, 19 September, 2001, 13:11 GMT 14:11 UK Tony Blair interview: transcript in full UK Prime Minister Tony Blair was interviewed on BBC's World Service's Newshour on Tuesday about the UK's role following last week's terror attacks in the US. Here is the transcript of the interview in full. Alex Brodie: Is Osama Bin Laden your prime suspect? Tony Blair: He is the prime suspect. We are still assembling the evidence and we have said we will do so in a careful and measured way. But we've known for some time of his activities and those of his associates, that have been designed to spread terror around the world that are I believe fundamentally contrary to the basic teachings of Islam. And in respect of this particular incident there's no doubt at all - as both ourselves and President have said - he is the prime suspect. AB: Him alone or anybody else? TB: Well, when we assemble the evidence finally, we will present it to people. But as we have said he is the prime suspect. AB: Have you seen evidence yourself? TB: Yes of course, all the time we are going through evidence that comes to us from various sources and what is important, as I said the other day, is that when we proceed, we proceed on the basis of a hard-headed assessment of that evidence. But I think, people are still taking in the enormity of what happened last week. Thousands of people killed in the worst terrorist incident of all time. This was the worst terrorist incident in respect of British citizens - incidentally 200 - 300 killed - since World War II. When you think that Britain went through the Blitz when we were under attack - day in day out - for several years and we lost just over 20,000 of our citizens. Here were 5,000 or more murdered, literally, in a day and I think some impression is given of just how serious this is. Let's be quite clear as well, the thing that we have to confront and the reason why we have to take action against this apparatus of terrorism at every level, is that if these people were able to kill more people they would. The only limits on their actions are not moral in any sense at all - they are practical or technical. AB: Is it Osama Bin Laden who you have the evidence against that he was actively involved in planning what happened in the United States or is it just that you have evidence that he has set up a network? TB: Well Alex, when we are in a position to put evidence before people, we will put it before them then. What we have said so far, because people have asked us and it's right because this is where the evidence tends, that he is the prime suspect. AB: Anybody else? TB: There may be various other people but that is a matter that we can deal with when we come to present the evidence fully? AB: And do you know where he is? TB: We know that he is in Afghanistan. We know the various places that he has been. But it is important that other people co-operate with us in ensuring that he is brought to justice and this is a situation in which those who have been harbouring him or helping him have a very simple choice. They either cease the protection of Bin Laden or they will be treated as people helping him. AB: This is echoing what George Bush said isn't it about how we will go not just for the perpetrators but for those who harbour him - and you are talking about the Taleban? TB: Well, for all those people who have been in a position where they have been helping or harbouring terrorism - the way that it operates, camps that are dedicated to training people in it. These are people trained in these camps who go out and basically wreak havoc wherever they can, killing many, many innocent people. And although what happened last week is obviously an atrocity almost beyond our imagination, it is not an isolated incident - in that sense, there has been a history going back over several years. Now you mention the Taleban - the Taleban have a very clear choice - the Taleban either cease to help or harbour those that are fermenting terrorism or they will be treated as part of the terrorist apparatus themselves. Now they have that choice and they should consider very, very carefully the consequences that they face at this moment of choice. AB: If they don't give him up, what are those consequences? TB: Those are the consequences again that we will consider and we will announce the appropriate response when we have made up our minds. AB: So what you are looking for the Taleban to do now, is to say - you can have him we will extradite him, we will give him up. TB: We are looking for the Taleban to co-operate on the basis of the evidence that we present -
Fw: A LONG VIEW [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Forward from mart. Please distribute widely. - Original Message - From: william m mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: A LONG VIEW by William Mandel Oakland, California 9/11/01 5:36 PM The attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center are the most important event in world history since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The disappearance of the USSR ended a half century in which two powers dominated the world. The casualties in New York, Washington, and in the skies made an end to the belief that the United States could continue waging wars costing us no blood, whether in no-fly zones over Iraq, in Kosovo, or anywhere else on any continent. For fifty-six years Washington has successfully conducted mass murders of noncombatant civilians from the air with no fear of retaliation. In 1945, when Japan could no longer strike back, there was Hiroshima, 75,000 killed. Then Nagasaki, 40,000 killed. The Korean War cost that country, with no possible means of harming the United States, 4,000,000 dead [Encyclopedia Brittanica] versus 34,000 Americans, or more than 100 Koreans per American. Most of the Korean deaths were caused by American carpet bombing (white phosphorus, napalm, explosives)to break the will to resist, and therefore were predominantly civilian. The numbers in the Vietnam War were of the same orders of magnitude.Desert Storm has slaughtered 6,000 Iraqi children per month since the end of the fighting, due to the embargo against necessities. Until now the vast majority of Americans have clucked their tongues over these things and gone about their business. No more. The deaths in the collapsed New York towers, the Pentagon, and the crashed airliner are 6,000 [number corrected post 9/11]. The super-expensive space and information age espionage technology of the National Security Agency, as well as the more conventional activities of the CIA and FBI are now the laughing stock of the world. As to the Defense Intelligence Agency in the Pentagon, I wonder if it was accidental that the plane striking that building hit exactly the section where that agency was housed. There is simply nothing Washington can do to restore the situation existing before this morning. Even if it decides to blame Saddam Hussein, and nukes Baghdad off the face of the earth, it will accomplish nothing in a world of suicide bombers and underground organizations capable of working in complete secrecy and with perfect coordination. Undoubtedly U.S.intelligence(?!)operations will be multiplied. That guarantees absolutely nothing. The Korean War was accompanied by the rise of McCarthyism. It is possible that today's events may bring similar hysteria and suppression of civil liberties. Not only would that further diminish the civil liberties that are one of this country's proudest achievements, but by so doing it would reduce the ability of the citizenry to ask the necessary questions about the policies responsible for the hatred of the United States expressed in this catastrophe. The time has come to realize that the motivation that brought about our Revolutionary War in 1776 is the strongest single force active in the world today. Peoples will be independent, no matter what Washington, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley want to do with and in their countries. The United States must either adapt to that or suffer the fate of ancient Rome. William Mandel, Oakland, California (37 years [1958-1995] on Pacifica Radio stations Do you teach in the social sciences? Consider my SAYING NO TO POWER (Creative Arts, Berkeley, 1999), for course use. It was written as a social history of the U.S. for the past three-quarters of a century through the eyes of a participant observer in most progressive social movements (I'm 84), and of the USSR from the standpoint of a Sovietologist (five earlier books) knowing that country longer than any other in the profession. Therefore it is also a history of the Cold War. Positive reviews in The Black Scholar, American Studies in Scandinavia, San Francisco Chronicle, forthcoming in Tikkun, etc. Chapters are up at http://www.billmandel.net - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://TOPICA.COM/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register
RE: Those 4000 Israelis? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - According to the the Washington Post that about 113 Israelis are reported to be missing in the WTC. Sandeep -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 September 2001 04:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Those 4000 Israelis? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - In a message dated 9/20/2001 7:11:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For it to be true, those 4000 people would have had to maintaain absolute secrecy. Are you prepared to say that no Israeli's worked in the WTC? - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: email address phone number for Barbara Lee [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Re: email address phone number for Barbara Lee [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Well, not quite - but I AM suggesting that Serbs learn to fight dirty. No - the last thing the Serbs, pro-Serbs (PLUS Macedonians and others persecuted by Albanians) should do is actually jump ONTO the global anti-muslim lynch mob themselves... BUT, what we/they definitely should do (since the American-led anti-Muslim lynch mob already exists) is do the non-Albanian causes some good, for a change...! By making sure that this US lynch-mob is left in no doubt as to the direct ethnic connection between Muslim KLA/NLA terrorists in Kosovo and Macedonia and their Muslim terrorist brothers-in-arms all over the world. Don't worry - the American-led lynch-mob itself can do the rest... So, what I AM advocating is... that we just make sure that that the word Muslim is ALWAYS clearly juxtaposed with the word Albanian - and with abbreviations KLA or NLA - wherever and whenever we possibly can... Ergo: if we find ourselves mentioning Albanian terrorists - KLA or NLA - ALWAYS make sure that the word Muslim is also prominently included too... Too many ignorant Americans - (the ones in the lynch mob) - fail to make that connection... It's up to us all to make very, very sure that they do! That's all. JJ -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: email address phone number for Barbara Lee [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001, 8:25 pm - Dear ppdscat, I may be misinterpreting you (I hope I am), but aren't you suggesting that the Serbs and other Slavs should jump on the global anti-Muslim lynch mob in order to forward their own narrow territorial interests? Personally I find such a view revolting and would be very suprised if you were indeed advocating it. As a Serb and a victim of an attrocious ten year concerted propaganda campaign to demonize my people I will NEVER, repeat NEVER, engage in the demonization of another people. The only way for the Serbs to emancipate themselves at this critical historical moment is to join the global people's struggle against racism and war, support the defence of patriots and progressives around the world - or to use a word that encapsulates both concepts, fight the new milenarian IMPERIALISM of NATO (aka The Old Colonial Club). If the Serbian leadership instead chooses to lach onto the current imperialist lynch mob of the global elites it will only deepen and reinforce the process leading to the destruction and subjugation of Slavic and other people's across the globe. It is time for Serbs everywhere to speak out against the current racist backlash, condemn American nationalism, and STOP NATO! NO TO RACISM AND WAR! FOR PEOPLE'S PEACE AND JUSTICE! SMRT FASIZMU! SLOBODA NARODU! Kole In a message dated 17/09/01 12:49:03 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ridiculous - that's true... But there's something BIG in here for pro-Serbs - and Macedonians too, come to that!... Both could do their respective causes some presentational good by fastening onto it like a steel trap and never letting go... - - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: email address phone number for Barbara Lee [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Re: email address phone number for Barbara Lee [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Cossack, with respect, both Kole (as he hoped) and you it seems, do indeed missunderstand what I'm suggesting. No - I'm not advocating Muslim-bashing... That, in case you haven't noticed - thanks to America's reactions to its own pain and grievously wounded pride - is now already taking place! And so - since there is little we can do to stop it - I'm simply suggesting that Serbs (plus, of course, other non-Albanians who've been made to suffer at the hands of the KLA/NLA terrorists - with the help of the USA) SHOULD NOW TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT...!!! BY DRAWING TO THE ATTENTION OF AMERICANS THE ETHNIC CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE MUSLIM TERRORISTS NATO HELPED TO DESTROY FORMER MULTI-ETHNIC YUGOSLAVIA... AND THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS IN-ARMS THAT WASHINGTON NOW ABHORS AND SEEKS TO PUNISH FOR DESTROYING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND REDUCING ONE SIDE OF THE PENTAGON TO RUBBLE. NATO wants Americans to remain unaware of that connection. So we should make sure that as many as possible quickly become acquainted with it. Once they do, the potential advantage to be gained by Serbs, non-Albanians and Macedonians suffering under NATO's military occupation should be patently obvious. JJ -- From: Mitchell Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: email address phone number for Barbara Lee [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001, 10:26 pm - Bravo Kolja, dobro receno! I agree with you completely, of course. I've heard far too much 'Islam bashing' to be comfortable. We must STOP the demonization. Stop the murder. Stop the hatred. Weed out the 'bad actors' (not political targets but the psychotic lunies who live for death and destruction). Learn to hate your neighbor and you will soon learn to hate me. Cossack - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
U.S. Denies Report That Israel Warned of Militants' Entry [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - I still smell rats. Click here: U.S. Denies Report That Israel Warned of Militants' Entry http://www.1stheadlines.com/israel.htm - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
NATO Denies.... [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - [And that intelligence agencies from the US and other key NATO nations ran training camps for the very villains they're now prepared to wage world war in the name of, from Pakistan to Albania and elsewhere. Acknowledging this, the indisputable, would work against the 'dominant narrative' of the policy makers and global imperialists. When history and the truth get in the way of a war of conquest and acquisition, a smart gambler doesn't bet on the first two.] NATO, UN Deny Bin Laden Has Bases in the Balkans PRISTINA, Sep 21, 2001 -- (Agence France Presse) The United Nations Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) and NATO's multi-national KFOR taskforce both said Thursday there is no evidence that Osama bin Laden's followers have cells in Kosovo. Both organizations were responding to allegations made by Serbian Interior Minister Dusan Mihajlovic on Wednesday that bin Laden's supporters are active throughout the Balkans. We believe we have a very tight grip on the activities in Kosovo ... and we don't have any evidence. We are not aware, KFOR spokesman Commander Roy Brown told AFP. Simon Haselock, head of communication for UNMIK said: We don't have any information on that. If some authorities have information about a possible threat, it is extremely important it is presented to the relevant authorities in Kosovo. It seems highly unlikely to me, he added. Mihajlovic said bin Laden's organization had two bases in Bosnia-Herzegovina, two in Kosovo, and was also present in Albania -- claims which have already been denied by Albania and Bosnia. ((c) 2001 Agence France Presse) __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Slovakia, Czech Republic, Poland To Form Joint Armed Force [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - [To hunt down Al-Qaida cells and shadowy Iraqi operations in Central Europe, no doubt.] Slovakia, Czech Republic, Poland to Form Joint Armed Force ORAVSKY PODZAMOK, Sep 21, 2001 -- (Agence France Presse) The defense ministers of Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Poland signed an accord on Thursday creating a joint military force, as Slovakia steps up its efforts to join NATO, local radio reported. Slovakia is seeking to join its brigade partners as a NATO member when the alliance extends membership invitations at a ministerial meeting in Prague in November next year, Czech minister Jaroslav Tvrdik said. The brigade will be headed by a Slovakian general, as part of the country's increased efforts to integrate with the military alliance, Tvrdik said. The September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States prove that integration is the only possible path, he added. The brigade, composed of the three countries' elite battalions and conforming to NATO standards, is to comprise 2,500 soldiers and be fully operational around 2004-2005. It is thought that the armed unit could take part in NATO and European Union peacekeeping exercises. Poland and the Czech Republic joined NATO in March 1999. ((c) 2001 Agence France Presse) __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Terrorism We Can Tolerate [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - And actively support and finance. A Serb Woman Killed in Kosovo PRISTINA, Sep 20, 2001 -- (Agence France Presse) A Serb woman was killed late Wednesday near the town of Urosevac in southern Kosovo and her suspected killer arrested, a spokesman for the UN Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) said Thursday. Sladjana Bungul, 37, married to an (ethnic) Albanian, was found dead hit on the head with axe, Andrea Angeli told AFP. He added that a 38-year old Kosovo Albanian had been arrested immediately afterwards by UNMIK police on suspicion of having committed the crime. Bungul was killed in Dranjak, a village 12 kilometers (seven miles) away from Urosevac. The Serb minority in Kosovo has been regularly targeted by ethnic Albanian extremists since the province came under international protection in June 1999. ((c) 2001 Agence France Presse) __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Greek Government: Despite NATO Denials.... [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Greece Suspects Bin Laden Accomplices Recently Visited Balkans ATHENS, Sep 19, 2001 -- (dpa) The Greek government said Wednesday that it suspected accomplices of Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect in the investigation into last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, had visited the Balkans. We know that colleagues of bin Laden have visited the Balkans recently, which is why we need tougher security measures in the region, Foreign Minister George Papandreou said after a parliamentary debate on the government's new anti-terrorism law. An unconfirmed report in the Athens daily To Vima Wednesday said that accomplices of bin Laden had visited Kosovo and Albania in February and possibly passed through Greece. The United States has named bin Laden, a Saudi millionaire living in exile in Afghanistan, as the prime suspect behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, which are believed to have claimed more than 5,400 lives. The U.S. believes bin Laden was behind a number of other attacks, including the 1998 bombing of two American embassies in East Africa which killed 238 people. (C)2001. dpa Deutsche Presse-Agentur __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Those Harboring Terrorists 'Will Share Their Fate'? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - New Albanian Rebel Group Formed in Southern Serbia BUJANOVAC, Sep 19, 2001 -- (Agence France Presse) Ethnic Albanian rebels in Kosovo have formed a new group which is seeking to join parts of southern Serbia to an independent Kosovo, a Serbian official said Wednesday. The National Liberation Army for Western Kosovo is seeking to make the towns of Presevo, Bujanovac and Medvedja part of UN-run Kosovo and may include members of a former rebel group active in southern Serbia and which disbanded at the end of May under an agreement with NATO. Milovan Coguric said the new group formed in early August is an attempt to carve out this part of southern Serbia with the aim of annexing it, along with Kosovo, to a Greater Albania or an independent state of Kosovo. Rebels of the previous Liberation Army for Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac fought Serbian forces for over a year in southern Serbia before agreeing to pull back under NATO pressure. Under a deal struck with NATO, ethnic Albanians were to gain representation in southern Serbia but leaders of the new group say Serbian authorities are dragging their feet in implementing the deal. Some 70 percent of the 100,000 inhabitants of southern Serbia are ethnic Albanian. Among the founders of the new group are Muhamet Xhemaili, Shefqet Musliu and Shaquir Shaqiri who were also instigators of the previous rebel army. But Xhemaili denied Tuesday that he was involved in the new rebel group but told AFP that he was ready to take up arms again if the lives of ethnic Albanians in Presevo were not improved. Serbian police had said in August that a new terrorist group in southern Serbia was responsible for the murder of three Serbian police officers in the Muhovac region. ((c) 2001 Agence France Presse) __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fw: US subversion in Belarus admitted [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: New Worker Online To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: [pttp] US subversion in Belarus admitted International story - 21/9/2001. US subversion in Belarus admitted. by Steve Lawton ALEXANDER Lukashenko, who was overwhelmingly re-elected President of Belarus a fortnight ago, has survived a US destabilisation effort and blocked its longer term aim of creating a pro-Western state on the Russian border. The process was monitored by hundreds of international observers with backing from 45 countries -- a measure of how much 'interest' there has been in the strategically sensitive state. The observers grudgingly accepted the result. But the United States had been busily orchestrating Lukashenko's downfall from its embassy in Minsk, capital of Belarus. US Ambassador Michael Kozak, in a candid letter to The Guardian (August 25), likened the US effort to change the course of the election as a Latin American Contra-style operation. He said that the United States' objective and to some degree methodology are the same in Belarus as that conducted in Nicaragua in the 80s. Nicaragua was subjected to mercenary anti-communist killers called Contras in a war claiming at least 30,000 lives. They were organised by the US Administration under President Ronald Reagan against the liberation forces the Sandinistas, but also in other guises elsewhere against the Salvadoran FMLN in particular. An official at the US embassy in Minsk told The Times (September 3) that they had assisted around 300 non-governmental organisations, media and political forces that were seeking political change. The main Belarus daily Sovetskuya Belorussiyu (September 5) alleged US, British and German intelligence agencies had cooked up a plan to get rid of Lukashenko. The paper, which sourced its information to Moscow, said that the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) group based in Minsk and assorted NGOs were used as a cover. Lukashenko has a popular mandate because he has so far managed to salvage some semblance of economic and social order out of the Soviet Union's demise. That has kept most peoples' heads above water and prevented a collapse of the state into Western hands. This puts a rather different light on the assassinations of Lukashenko's opposition leaders, said by Western agencies to have been carried out by death squads at his instigation. This has been used to brand him in the West as an unreconstructed communist dictator who simply eliminated rivals to hold on to power. So reports, prior to Kozak's admission, that had been exposed by Lukashenko's Government and by state media at the time and still ridiculed now look a sight more credible. News programmes over the last six months have frequently alleged US covert operations in Belarus. Last February, for instance, one programme said that over an eight year period hundreds of US spies had visited Belarus, a relatively small country, through the US embassy. It accused the US of fomenting separatist and religious divisions. Opposition organisations from the Youth Front of the Belorussian Popular Front to the Belorusian Independent Trade Union -- among many accused of being US-funded -- have mocked the Lukashenko Government for branding any opposition as tantamount to being an imperialist spy. So the real meaning of Kozak's interview with Belarus National TV on 21 December 2000 is now clear. (This was the one that was pulled from the TV schedule, never to be aired, and which the US embassy in Minsk decided, nevertheless, to stick on its website). He arrogantly explained, while maintaining the democratic value of the Bush-Gore election shenanigans, that the perception exists in the United States and in Europe that the processes by which the [Belarus] Parliament was recently appointed or selected did not meet...basic standards of democratic processes that are applied to all [We've reached a] situation now where we've got a Parliament that we aren't able to recognise as being representative of the Belorusian people. He added that there is a fundamental problem of the credibility of the electoral process [in Belarus]. Kozak appears not to have done US-assisted groups any favours by his admission now that Lukashenko has been elected. Belarus remains close to Russia, not least because it is economically heavily dependent: President Vladimir Putin has endorsed Lukashenko. The broader connection of this US role is not coincidental in the light of the deep involvement of its forces -- military and intelligence -- in former Yugoslavia's Macedonia and other parts of the Balkans. Nato-EU expansion up to Russia's borders has been persistently warned against by President Putin. That, so far, has been foiled. But now the US is about to unleash its dogs of war
FW: [abolition-caucus] INVOKE MONTREAL SABOTAGE CONVENTION! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954(voice) 217-244-1478(fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Boyle, Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:18 AMTo: abolition-caucus@egroups. com (E-mail)Subject: [abolition-caucus] INVOKE MONTREAL SABOTAGE CONVENTION!Importance: HighSensitivity: Private The 1971 Montreal Sabotage Convention is directly on point here, and provides a comprehensive framework for dealing with the current dispute between the United States and Afghanistan over the tragic events of 11 September 2001. Both States are contracting parties to the MontrealSabotage Convention, together with 173 other States in the World . The United States isunder an absolute obligation to resolve this dispute with Afghanistan in a peaceful manner as required by UN Charter Article 2(3) and Article 33 as well as by the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928, as well as in accordance with the requirements of the Montreal Sabotage Convention--all of which treaties bind most of the States of the World. In addition, the United States should offer to submit this entire dispute to the International Court of Justice in The Hague (the so-called World Court) on the basis of the Montreal Sabotage Convention, and should ask the Government of Afghanistan to withdraw its Reservationto World Court jurisdictionas permitted by article 14(3) of the Montreal Sabotage Convention. Furthermore, all other contracting parties must invoke the Montreal Sabotage Convention against both the United States and Afghanistan in order to produce a peaceful resolution of this dispute. Francis A. Boyle Professor ofInternational Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954(voice) 217-244-1478(fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To subscribe to the Abolition Global Caucus, send an email from the account you wish to be subscribed to: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Do not include a subject line or any text in the body of the message. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fw: The Terror Crusade: A Giant Case of PTSD [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: NY Transfer News Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: [CubaNews] The Terror Crusade: A Giant Case of PTSD Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit Now officials are now concerned that the sea wall underneath the smoking ruins of the Trade Center might collapse, flooding the subway tunnels and perhaps causing a new wave of casualties. The clean-up and recovery crews are having trouble dealing with the grisly reality of mammoth destruction and mass death. Even the fire dept personnel and the cops are overwhelmed. Civilian construction crews aren't trained for this sort of thing. New York City is functioning at a slow limp, with major roadways partially closed. Moving roadblocks and security checks slowing down everything. The Feds are extremely worried about a second strike -- to water supplies, nuclear plants, and large gatherings like the memorial for the WTC victims. They admit they have no idea what to expect. The economy, in trouble before September 11, is in a complete tailspin. Much of the population is in a horrified, grief-stricken trance of fear. They can't believe it happened here. Some people are numb, others enraged. Everyone is irrational. Knowing nothing about their government's real foreign policy, they are astounded that their country isn't loved the way a beacon of freedom should be loved. Their defense department failed to defend them. Their intelligence agencies don't seem to have any intelligence. They have barely begun to comprehend that this isn't just another video game. They seek answers and the comfort of certainty after the strikes of September 11th. But rather than steady leadership, they get... Flags. Wanted Dead or Alive. The Imbeciles' Crusade at the OK Corral. The Feds say there will be NO release of intelligence information, and immediately the press is filled with contradictory leaks and rumors from 'sources close to the investigation.' A reassuring official announcement that the hijackers have been identified turns out to be premature -- another FBI blunder. They are told the economy is strong, but the stock market is diving and thousands of jobs disappear overnight. They are told to prepare for a long war, with many casualties. But they don't know who the Enemy is. Rumsfeld says the Prime Suspect is not the only Enemy. There are many more (but who)? In many countries (someplace). George says, If you aren't with me, you're with the Terrorists. But no one seems to knows who the Terrorists are. The nation has a whopping case of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. The treatment of choice is not more trauma, more violence, more chaos and death. But that's just what the doctor ordered - a recipe for madness and self-destruction. Welcome to the Terror Crusade. Thursday September 20 04:26 PM EDT Sea Wall Below WTC Is Shaky; Security Fears Stalk New York By ABCNEWS.com A new worry is hampering rescue and recovery operations in the still-smoldering ruins of New York's World Trade Center: the possible collapse of a sea wall below the site. Forty U.S. senators toured the still-smoldering ruins of New York's World Trade Center today as rescue and recovery workers worried over a new threat -- the possible collapse of an underground sea wall built to provide a stable base before the towers were erected. From the outside it looks structurally sound, New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said. But we don't know what it looks like from the inside, and that's the concern. Amid those concerns and the ongoing search for survivors, complicated again today by rain, Giuliani led the senators through the debris and muck at ground zero. I'm from a part of the country that has been hit by hurricanes repeatedly, said Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss. But I must say, I've never seen anything comparable to what we have seen here today, the magnitude of it and the horror of it. Fear of Instability The twin towers rose 110 stories, but also went 70 feet into the bedrock below, with a 3-foot-thick concrete wall acting like an underground dam against New York Harbor water seeping through surrounding landfill. Recovery experts fear rubble and debris may be all that is holding the walls of that underground structure in place. If the material is not removed carefully, it could send water from the harbor into the space, and possibly into nearby subway tunnels that run under where the Trade Center buildings stood before two hijacked planes slammed into the twin towers on Sept. 11. We have to proceed very, very carefully, Giuliani said. Still Hoping, Despite Long Odds Searchers still were unwilling to give up hope survivors might be found. After every move is made the fire department is looking for any voids during their searches and rescue attempts along with our moves to move debris for them to be able to move
Fw: [Spy News] Misdirection [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: JamiatKZN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: [Spy News] Misdirection Letter from Ramallah - "Israel is pounding us even as I write" Sept 16, 2001 - Ramallah I am writing to you now to the sound of Israel's "Defense Forces" pounding the living daylights out of my hometown Ramallah. As the whole world is too busy paying tributes to the victims of terror attacks in NYC and DC, Israel has had a field day in terror attacks of their own on us here. Since the attacks in the US, the Israelis have taken their assaults on Palestinians to new heights. Every day they have invaded a few cities using tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets. Since the beginning of the intifada, there has not been so much Israeli aggression like that witnessed since last Tuesday. No one could put this clearer than Shaul Mofaz, Israel's Chief of Staffs, who boasted that his forces have killed tens of Palestinians and no one in the world said anything. Indeed, since last Tuesday there have been unrelenting attacks on each Palestinian city for no reason. Since the beginning of the Intifada Israelis have carried out only 2 or 3 such attacks, while since Tuesday, there has been at least a dozen. Tens of Palestinian martyrs have fallen, and their cries have fallen on deaf ears in this world. Everyone seems to be more interested in backing that raging cowboy Bush as he declares his country going into war against a yet unidentified enemy. The attack on the WTC and Pentagon, is a clear act of terror that I, and millions of Palestinians, denounce. Yet it must be really painful to see how the whole world has had nothing to do in the last few days but mourn the victims, while more than a million and a half civilian Iraqis have died since the beginning of the US terror campaign on Iraq. Why did no one weep for them, why did no one weep for the hundreds of thousands in Rwanda, and why is my people's suffering under the illegal Israeli occupation no longer interesting to anyone? Excuse me if my thoughts are a bit incoherent, or if my sentences seem to make little sense, but it is really hard to concentrate with Apache choppers hovering a few hundred feet above your head, armored tanks unleashing their might on your neighborhood, all sorts of missiles flashing across your window, and a nearby building being obliterated to rubble. If you don't hear from me anymore, then know that one of those missiles has managed to find its way to my room, turning me into a meaningless number in a meaningless statistic that no one will pay attention to. For some inexplicable reason I felt like writing this here and now, and sharing it with you, I would really appreciate it if you could pass it on to as many people as possible. Israel must not be allowed to continue its attacks on Palestinians. If terror is to be fought in this world, state terror is the first terror that must be eradicated. American attacks on civilians in Iraq, Sudan, and Yugoslavia, and Israel's continued terror in Palestine are primary examples. Finally, my heart goes out to every victim of terror in the world, to the people of Hiroshima, Auschwitz, Rwanda, Baghdad, Belgrade, Vietnam, New York, and DC, it is at moments like this that I feel your suffering and pain. I can now honestly say that I know what it feels like to be a victim. Yours Saifedean Ammous 16/9/20001 Ramallah, Palestine Source (Islamic Association of Palestine) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM -~- == SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html == *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to SPYNEWS eGroup members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- SPY NEWS home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Profaca, independent journalist, SPY NEWS eGroup list owner, editor moderator, is a member of of the Committee of Concerned Journalists,
Fw: The Israelis Have a New Target for US [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: NY Transfer News Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:44 AM Subject: [CubaNews] The Israelis Have a New Target for US Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit The Israelis Have a New Target for the USA [ ...and the Brits at Janes Information Group are happy to oblige by dressing up the Israeli agenda and spreading it around. Janes call it an alternative view, but it looks more like Israeli intelligence is just pointing George's nose at an additional target they'd like to have taken out. And sowing confusion, and muddying the waters. And widening the Armageddon Crusade to include Iraq. And then perhaps Syria, or maybe Lebanon ... The Israelis may be thinking they can sell the US on anything, right now; confidence in US intelligence is at an all-time low, and sinking ever lower, as dead Saudi hijackers turn up alive and as the CIA/DIA/FBI/NSA seem to stumble around in a desert of ignorance. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, it's the Immoral leading the Unspeakable, with a little assistance from the faded Imperial. There are traps within traps in this crisis, and Cowboy George might be dumb enough to fall into all of them. -- NY Transfer] * This Sept 19, 2001 excerpt is from Janes Foreign Report at: http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.shtml Foreign Report: Who Did It? An Alternative View Israel's military intelligence service, Aman, suspects that Iraq is the state that sponsored the suicide attacks on the New York Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington. Directing the mission, Aman officers believe, were two of the worlds foremost terrorist masterminds: the Lebanese Imad Mughniyeh, head of the special overseas operations for Hizbullah, and the Egyptian Dr Ayman Al Zawahiri, senior member of Al-Qaeda and possible successor of the ailing Osama Bin Laden. The two men have not been seen for some time. Mughniyeh is probably the worlds most wanted outlaw. Unconfirmed reports in Beirut say he has undergone plastic surgery and is unrecognisable. Zawahiri is thought to be based in Egypt. He could be Bin Ladens chief representative outside Afghanistan. The Iraqis, who for several years paid smaller groups to do their dirty work, were quick to discover the advantages of Al-Qaeda. The Israeli sources claim that for the past two years Iraqi intelligence officers were shuttling between Baghdad and Afghanistan, meeting with Ayman Al Zawahiri. According to the sources, one of the Iraqi intelligence officers, Salah Suleiman, was captured last October by the Pakistanis near the border with Afghanistan. The Iraqis are also reported to have established strong ties with Imad Mughniyeh. Weve only got scraps of information, not the full picture, admits one intelligence source, but it was good enough for us to send a warning six weeks ago to our allies that an unprecedented massive terror attack was expected. One of our indications suggested that Imad Mughniyeh met with some of his dormant agents on secret trips to Germany. We believe that the operational brains behind the New-York attack were Mughniyeh and Zawahiri, who were probably financed and got some logistical support from the Iraqi Intelligence Service (SSO). Mughniyeh was the only one believed to have tried it before. On April 12th 1997, he was reported to be only two hours away from achieving the highest goal of any terrorist organisation (until last week): blowing up an Israeli El-Al airliner above Tel Aviv. A man carrying a forged British passport with the name Andrew Jonathan Neumann was in a Jerusalem hotel preparing a bomb he was supposed to take on board an El-Al flight leaving Israel, when it accidentally went off. Andrew Jonathan Neumann was very badly injured but strong enough to reveal later to the Israelis that he was not British but Lebanese, and that his operation was supposed to be a special gift to Israel from Imad Mughniyeh. A psychopath Bin Laden is a schoolboy in comparison with Mughniyeh, says an Israeli who knows Mughniyeh . The guy is a genius, someone who refined the art of terrorism to its utmost level. We studied him and reached the conclusion that he is a clinical psychopath motivated by uncontrollable psychological reasons, which we have given up trying to understand. The killing of his two brothers by the Americans only inflamed his strong motivation. Experts on Iraq and Saddam Hussein also believe that Iraq was the state behind the two terror masterminds. In recent months, there was a change, and Iraq decided to get into the terror business. On July 7th, they tried for the first time to send a suicide bomber, trained in Baghdad, to blow up Tel Aviv airport (Foreign Report No. 2651). Our sources believe that it will be very difficult to get to the bottom of this unprecedented terror operation. However, they
Fw: US prepares for 'ground war' [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: Barry Stoller Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: [C-I] US prepares for 'ground war' AP; AFP. 21 September 2001. Pentagon Orders More Planes to Gulf; Cuba's official press suspicious of threats in Bush's speech Bush engaged in state terrorism: Zyuganov. Combined reports, edited. WASHINGTON, HAVANA and MOSCOW -- The Pentagon on Friday ordered more Air Force planes to support a buildup of U.S. firepower in the Persian Gulf area, as the Bush administration prepared to strike back at terrorism. The Pentagon has kept a lid on most information about military deployments following last week's twin terrorist attacks. Victoria Clarke, spokeswoman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, said the U.S. military is ready, but she did not comment on specific deployments. You'll see a lot of activity, she said in an interview. We're preparing for what could very well be a wide range of options. So, you will see a lot of people moving, you'll see a lot of equipment moving. The Air Force announced that 5,131 members of the Air Force National Guard and Air Force Reserve have been ordered to active duty. They are from 29 units in 24 states and the District of Columbia. Rumsfeld has said he expects 35,500 members of the Reserve and National Guard to be called up. The Pentagon is repositioning military forces to prepare for action, Rumsfeld said, but would not provide details. Other officials said both active and reserve forces are beginning to move. The Air Force is sending 100 to 130 aircraft to the Gulf region, a senior defense official said, including fighters and B-1 and B-52 bombers. Also, tanker aircraft began deploying from U.S. bases Thursday to establish an air bridge for refueling fighters and bombers as they cross the Atlantic. The Air Force has fighter aircraft in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and the Army keeps a virtually permanent presence in Kuwait with soldiers and war materiel sufficient to equip an additional 5,000 troops. The Navy's 5th Fleet headquarters is on the Gulf island emirate Bahrain, and it normally keeps one aircraft carrier on patrol in the Gulf year-round. It now has one in the Gulf and one nearby in the Arabian Sea; a third -- the USS Theodore Roosevelt -- left port at Norfolk, Va., on Wednesday en route to the Mediterranean. Each carrier has 75 aircraft aboard and is accompanied by a dozen warships. Early Friday in Japan, the USS Kitty Hawk, the only U.S. aircraft carrier stationed in the western Pacific, left its port in Yokosuka for an undisclosed location. The carrier has a crew of 5,500 sailors, naval aviators and Marines and typically carries 70 aircraft. A contingent of about 2,100 Marines also is in the Gulf, and a similar-size unit is headed in that direction. [N.B.] House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said bluntly that a ground war is expected. [N.B.] We're going to have people on the ground somewhere, sometime and we're going to have to face these people -- go into the shadows where they live and work and take them out, he said Friday on NBC's Today. AFP. 21 September 2001. Cuba's official press suspicious of threats in Bush's speech. The official Cuban press responded with marked suspicion Friday to US President George W. Bush's address before the US Congress a day earlier, bristling at what it deemed an implicit threat and saying the leader's words inspired doubt. The central themes of Bush's speech culminated in a threat and pressure, which immediately inspired doubt, the official daily Juventud Rebelde charged. The daily deemed as threats Bush's remarks that either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists and, from this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. Cuba is one of seven countries the US State Department deems a state supporter of terrorism, along with Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, North Korea and Syria. Havana, for its part, has accused Washington of promoting state terrorism against Cuba for the past 40 years. Russian Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov accused US President George W. Bush on Friday of waging state terrorism by threatening to attack the Taliban militia in Afghanistan. The United States wants to be the judge and the hangman at the same time, said Zyuganov, who heads the largest party in Russia's State Duma lower house of parliament. That is genuine state terrorism, Zyuganov said, accusing the US president of paving the way for a war against all countries he does not like. The communist leader said he was particularly irritated by Bush's call for nations to choosing sides, the US president saying Thursday that either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - This Discussion List is the
Say no to war! Join us in a vigil! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Say no to war! Join us in a vigil! When: Thursday, 27th Sept. 2001 at 6:30PM Where: The Dail, Dublin All are welcome! Call 672 7803/087 2225742 for more details Please pass on this email to others. http://www.endiraqsanctions.net Statement from the Campaign to End the Iraq Sanctions. Justice not retribution is the only way forward for humanity. The Campaign to End Iraq Sanctions extends our deepest sympathies and condolences to the families and friends of the innocent civilians who were killed in the United Sates on the 11th September in the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon and in Pensyliviana. The sudden and arbitrary taking of life by an individual, government or group is immoral and wrong whether it be in America, Iraq, Sudan or Yugoslavia. Since Tuesday the 11th September we have seen images of the carnage and the faces of human misery and loss from America. We have witnessed the magnitude of the waste and destruction. And we have shared their pain, confusion and fear. The coverage was however, in stark contrast to the media's past coverage of the Gulf War, when, instead of real buildings exploding over and over again, we saw only sterile views of concrete targets -- there and then gone. We did not see the destruction and carnage nor the misery on the faces of people whose loved ones were killed and buried under the rubble and whose lives had been changed terribly and unrecognisable in a matter of seconds. Yet, whilst thousands of American families mourned for the dead and injured the Bush administration took advantage of the tragic human toll to strengthen and intensify the Pentagon's war machine. Not two days after this attack, whilst the Pentagon and the World Trade Centre were still burning, President Bush, talked of how America was at War. This was before any group had taken responsibility or before any concrete facts were established who were America at war with? The Middle East was put centre stage backed up by irresponsible media coverage. A whole culture was held accountable and guilty. The backlash of anti- Muslim and Islamic feeling has had consequences for the innocent throughout the World, sadly from America to Ireland. Innocent people are being targeted with hatred and violence as a result of the naked racism expressed, condoned and encouraged by World leaders such as Tony Blair and President Bush. Throughout the week what has been glaringly absent and in fact has been repressed by the media, has been any attempt to explore, discuss or understand possible motives of the terrorists, why would they do it? What was their political agenda? At a time when the World is in shock we have seen Bush calling for retribution, revenge and war. Afghanistan, where an estimated 5.5 million people will be totally dependent on food aid this coming winter as a result of a three year drought, and the ravaging of their country by the repressive Taliban regime, is the prime target of American and NATO's vengeance. Poverty is already so severe that hundreds of thousands can not afford to travel to food distribution centres, and thus face certain starvation. The majority of the population have not even heard about the events in America. Yet, their fragile existence is the target of the most powerful and supposed democratic countries in the world. Pakistan has been handed an ultimatum by President Bush that either they assist in the destruction of Afghanistan or they will also be viewed as an enemy. The Campaign is calling on the Irish government and World leaders to truly live up to the values of humanity and halt the impeding human carnage that now faces our world. The potential destruction and decimation of a poor, oppressed and innocent people will not only result in the escalation of civilian deaths both in the Middle East and in the West, but will also result in the death of the spirit of humanity. It is a time for true democratic leadership based on the values of justice, peace and the equal value of life whether it be an American or Afghani life. It is a time for world reflection and not blind retribution. It is a time to truly invoke the values of peace and justice that reflects the values of humanity as we recognise the vulnerability and the fragility of all human life. No amount of body bags be they Irish, English, American, Afghan or Pakistani will bring the innocent victims of violence back to their grieving families. Justice not retribution is the only way forward for humanity. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that
LMNOP Sunday Peace Walks at Lake Merritt, 3 P.M. [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Please forward hither yon: Lake Merritt Neighbors Organized for Peace (LMNOP) invites you to join us on weekly peace walks around Lake Merritt in Oakland. Every Sunday at 3:00. Meet at the columns at the east end of the Lake, between Grand Lakeshore Avenues. Near Grand Ave. exit off 580 freeway. Most well-known nearby landmark: Grand Lake Theater. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER! Justice Not Revenge! Information: (510)763-8712, [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Petition to stop the violence [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - The following message was posted to the Baltimore Green Party list: Date: 9/17/01 10:49:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin and Gita Lefstein) Hi all--here's something easy but important that we can all do. . . . It makes me feel like I can at least try to have my opinion heard in the midst of all the craziness that's surrounding me down here. Please forward the following message. I saw a sign today that read Save the world - Love someone. With all the terror going on right now, it is scary to think of what might come next, what sort of retaliatory measures our government might take. But we now have an extraordinary opportunity to show the world that we will not stand for violence. Now is a time for love and compassion, not revenge and more killings. President Bush has the power and responsibility to respond to the attacks against our country. A violent response - attacks against other countries or groups - will not accomplish anything, but will only continue this unending cycle of violence. Justice must be served, but not at the cost of more innocent lives around the world. Before it is too late, let's show the world that peace is an alternative. If you agree with this sentiment, please add your name to this list, and pass it on to your friends. And EVERY 10th PERSON, please forward this to the White House at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The immediacy of this situation requires urgent action. We can only hope that our voices will help to put an end to the killing. WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, TAKE A STAND AGAINST VIOLENCE! 1. Michelle Oliveros-Larsen, Amherst, MA 2. Supurna Banerjee, Amherst, MA 3. Jiehae Park, Amherst, MA 4.Chris Mancini, Poughkeepsie,MA 5.Miranda Harris, New York, NY 6. Gabrielle Revlock, Phila., PA 7. Martha Curren-Preis, Phila., PA 8. Kate Blakinger, Bryn Mawr, PA 9. Lena Dalke, Alamo, TX 10. Julie Bruck Philadelphia, PA 11. Lee Watkins, Amherst, MA 12.Ben Lefstein, Amherst, MA 13. Martin S. Lefstein, Baltimore, MD 14. Gita Lefstein, Baltimore, MD 15. David L. Fishman, Owings Mills, MD 16. Nancy A. Hey, Bethesda, MD - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Susan Sontag on the WTC Attack, lies and deceptions [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - http://www.ucolick.org/~de/WTChit/Sontag.html The WTC Attack, Sep 11 2001 Commentary and Analysis Susan Sontag in The New Yorker -- The disconnect between last Tuesday's monstrous dose of reality and the self-righteous drivel and outright deceptions being peddled by public figures and TV commentators is startling, depressing. The voices licensed to follow the event seem to have joined together in a campaign to infantilize the public. Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a cowardly attack on civilization or liberty or humanity or the free world but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions? How many citizens are aware of the ongoing American bombing of Iraq? And if the word cowardly is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others. In the matter of courage (a morally neutral virtue): whatever may be said of the perpetrators of Tuesday's slaughter, they were not cowards. Our leaders are bent on convincing us that everything is O.K. America is not afraid. Our spirit is unbroken, although this was a day that will live in infamy and America is now at war. But everything is not O.K. And this was not Pearl Harbor. We have a robotic President who assures us that America still stands tall. A wide spectrum of public figures, in and out of office, who are strongly opposed to the policies being pursued abroad by this Administration apparently feel free to say nothing more than that they stand united behind President Bush. A lot of thinking needs to be done, and perhaps is being done in Washington and elsewhere, about the ineptitude of American intelligence and counter-intelligence, about options available to American foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East, and about what constitutes a smart program of military defense. But the public is not being asked to bear much of the burden of reality. The unanimously applauded, self-congratulatory bromides of a Soviet Party Congress seemed contemptible. The unanimity of the sanctimonious, reality-concealing rhetoric spouted by American officials and media commentators in recent days seems, well, unworthy of a mature democracy. Those in public office have let us know that they consider their task to be a manipulative one: confidence-building and grief management. Politics, the politics of a democracy-which entails disagreement, which promotes candor-has been replaced by psychotherapy. Let's by all means grieve together. But let's not be stupid together. A few shreds of historical awareness might help us understand what has just happened, and what may continue to happen. Our country is strong, we are told again and again. I for one don't find this entirely consoling. Who doubts that America is strong? But that's not all America has to be. -- Susan Sontag __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Susan Sontag on the WTC Attack, lies and deceptions [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Dear Steve, Damn straight - and get ready for lots more in this vein, now that the Beautiful People have the picturesque and risk-free setting they require to oppose militarism, viz. now that's it's clear to all that the Bush White House has overplayed its hand on the Sympathy Thing. You'll pardon my venom. It's all for Sontag, and none for you. Best, jy - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Reuters on lessons from Yugoslavia [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - [While air strikes might have U.S. popular backing, Bush has acknowledged that it doesn't make sense to fire a $2 million missile into a $10 dollar tent to hit a camel in the butt. ] Yugoslavia worrying precedent for U.S. air power By Douglas Hamilton MANAMA, Sept 21 (Reuters) - If the 1999 war with Yugoslavia is anything to go by, the United States may launch 1,000 warplanes against Osama Bin Laden's Afghan hideouts without destroying or even crippling his shadowy forces. Ultimately, troops on the ground backed by a credible threat of invasion might be required for a successful assault. America and its NATO allies had some 900 aircraft flying at the height of Operation Allied Force, completing some 35,000 sorties on Yugoslav targets over 78 days, for a remarkably thin haul in enemy casualties and military destruction. Following last week's devastating suicide attacks in the United States, for which Washington says bin Laden is a prime suspect, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Thursday U.S. military forces were being deployed to help fight a new war on terrorism. He gave no details, but three aircraft carriers and air deployment announced by defence officials could place up to 500 U.S. warplanes in the Mediterranean, Gulf and Indian Ocean areas for what Washington suggested could be a strike against Afghanistan. In that war-ravaged, impoverished country, military targets for U.S. pilots would be far fewer than in Yugoslavia. In the 1999 bombing campaign launched over President Slobodan Milosevic's brutal crackdown on ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, NATO said it destroyed 93 Serb tanks. The Serbs said they lost only 13 and military experts said there was very little sign of a shattered army in Kosovo. In the end, Milosevic's Yugoslavia yielded only when Washington and NATO got serious about a land invasion, setting a mid-September 1999 date for an offensive by some 210,000 troops, according to diplomatic sources. NOTHING RULED OUT THIS TIME In one of the acknowledged strategic errors of the Kosovo campaign, a ground offensive against Yugoslavia had originally been ruled out by then-President Bill Clinton. President George W. Bush has ruled nothing out in his war against terrorism in the wake of the September 11 attacks with hijacked airliners on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington. Rumsfeld has declined to say if elite Special Operations troops might move towards the Afghanistan region, but said army elements were part of his deployment order. While estimates of the Taliban's antiquated arsenal vary widely, military experts say their fighters could spend years punishing an occupied force from the rugged hills and valleys of the countryside. While air strikes might have U.S. popular backing, Bush has acknowledged that it doesn't make sense to fire a $2 million missile into a $10 dollar tent to hit a camel in the butt. It would most probably be a futile waste of expensive precision-guided munitions, as well as a public failure to strike a decisive blow at the perpetrators. MEETING EXPECTATIONS This reflects the dilemma faced by the United States and allies in Kosovo, when Western public opinion rapidly ran out of patience with NATO's inability to stop, and punish, the so-called fielded forces of the Yugoslav Army. Western media demanded to know why bombs were being rained on refineries far away from the scene of suspected genocide. But air force generals don't like plinking tanks and they don't like bombing mud, said a frustrated former NATO Supreme Commander Europe, General Wesley Clark, at the time. Clark fought an uphill battle with his Pentagon bosses to deploy a symbolic ground force of 5,000 troops plus Apache attack helicopters and Army tactical missiles in neighbouring Albania, as a token of NATO's readiness to invade. It came late and was never thrown into battle and it was unclear how decisive the move was in bringing about the Yugoslav surrender. Not a single U.S. or NATO soldier was killed in combat in the Western alliance's first hot war, but Clark warned this must not be seen as the ideal model for modern conflict. If there's nothing worth fighting for and maybe dying for, then maybe there's nothing worth living for, he said. 07:32 09-21-01 - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Susan Sontag on the WTC Attack, lies and deceptions [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - In a message dated 9/21/2001 7:25:15 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's time to have a Nobel Prize for Hypocrisy. And if there's any justice, the first recipient should be (edging out Christopher Hitchens just by a whisker) Susan Sontag. Oh, there are s many candidates. How about Tom Friedman. He said on Terry Gross that this was a time for surgical strikes. I was reminded that he called for less surgical strikes against Belgrade. I wanted to write to Gross and tell her she could have scored a journalistic coup by reminding him of that, and asking him to explain. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Lukashenko Sworn in as Belarussian President [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - [Via Communist Internet... http://www.egroups.com/group/Communist-Internet ] [Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] . .Lukashenko Sworn in as Belarussian President . Alexander Lukashenko was sworn in as the Belarussian president for the second term Thursday, Russian news agency reported. Lukashenko was re-elected in the September 9 presidential election with a support rate of 76 percent. Speaking at the inauguration ceremony, Lukashenko thanked the Belarussian people for their confidence and trust. Noting the government is facing a responsible and difficult period, the president, who will take office for another five years, vowed to further develop a powerful policy of social welfare. We have a idea to built a powerful and prosperous Belarus, he added. Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a congratulation message to Lukashenko on the same day, pledging to further strengthen bilateral relations. Our countries are steadfastly and invariably working on the consolidation of the fraternal friendship, cooperation and multifaceted relations in the (Russian-Belarussian) union, Putin wrote. I am confident we can solve the grand tasks of further integration between Russia and Belarus in the interests of strengthening the union and ensuring welfare and prosperity of our peoples he added. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[PNEWS] The nuclear threat: Pakistan could lose control of its ars
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:30:45 -0400 From: Nisan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Progressive News Views [since 82] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PNEWS] The nuclear threat: Pakistan could lose control of its arsenal (from The London Times) ||| Subscribe or Unsubscribe to (PNEWS) Forums-- http://pnews.org/signup.shtml PNEWS-L on the WEB -http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/pnews-l.html ||| From: Jim Farmelant [EMAIL PROTECTED] THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 20 2001 The nuclear threat Pakistan could lose control of its arsenal BY NIGEL HAWKES West's worst scenario A LEADING authority on Pakistans nuclear programme has given warning of a nightmare scenario in which a destabilised Pakistan lost control of its nuclear weapons to supporters of the Taleban. Any military action against Muslim terrorists within Afghanistan will have to take account of that, said George Perkovich, a nuclear weapons expert at the W. Alton Jones Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, who has specialised in the nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan. He dismissed any prospect that the present Government of Pakistan would use its nuclear armoury, but said that questions about the security of the weapons should be high on the agenda of the military planners. My guess would be that the US and the UK are thinking about that now, Mr Perkovich said. If things go wrong, what do we do? Do we send commandos in to get the weapons and take them out in helicopters, like the last days in Saigon? Has this even been discussed with the Pakistanis? Militarily, Pakistan's nuclear weapons are its crown jewels, but valuable as they may be for asserting national pride in the rivalry with India, they are of little use in the awkward diplomatic situation the Pakistani Government now faces. Mr Perkovich said that Pakistan has about two to three dozen potential nuclear weapons, all based on highly enriched uranium. Tests carried out in 1998 demonstrated that they work. Pakistan also has medium-range missiles capable of reaching targets in India, if no farther afield. In normal times, they keep the warheads separate from the missiles, he said, and the fissile uranium the core of the weapon is not kept in the warhead, which consists of electronics and high explosives, but doesn't have the fissile core in it. It's all dressed up and nowhere to go. Assuming this is still true, it would make it much harder for those unfamiliar with the system to assemble the weapon and make it work. The fissile core, about the size of a melon and weighing up to 66lb, can be sub-divided into segments that can be stored separately. So the entire weapon can be split into components that in themselves are innocuous. So what we have are a range of different components, with different groups controlling them, he said. Each part is well guarded and they have taken great care to assess the reliability and security of the storage. In addition to having the weapons disassembled and safely stored, he said that the Pakistanis will have given thought to how they would be evacuated in an emergency. The most worrisome thing is the fissile core. That's easily moveable, which is both g ood and bad. It's bad because Saddam Hussein could make a bid for it, good because it means it could be put on a helicopter and taken out of harm's way. He believes that changes in organisation this year make it clear that grown-ups in Pakistan are trying to make the whole system orderly and under control. The integration of two competing teams, both run by egomaniacs, into a single organisation, he says, is a good sign. Until then, both and missile development were split between the A. Q. Khan Research Laboratories (KRL) named after Abdul Qadeer Khan, self-proclaimed father of the Pakistani bomb and the Pakistan Atomic Energy Organisation (PAEC), led by Asfad Ahmad Khan. When both were retired in March, the move was attacked by Narwaz Sharif, the former Prime Minister, as a hideous conspiracy designed to roll back the nuclear programme and weaken the country. He called on people to rise up and thwart the conspiracy. In fact, there was little public reaction. On Tuesday Dr Khan went out of his way to reassure people about the weapons security. Thousands of people are involved in the supervision who discharge their duty as a sacred mission and the masses should not worry about the security of the nuclear installation, he told reporters after assuming the duties of patron-in-chief of his old laboratory. While rivalry existed between the two men and their respective laboratories, Pakistan had an internal arms race, which accelerated its acquisition of nuclear weapons and
The roots of hatred [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Message Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - The causes The roots of hatredSep 20th 2001 From The Economist print edition Whatever its mistakes, the idea that America brought the onslaught upon itself is absurd AP WHO is to blame? The simple answerthe suicide attackers, and those behind themis hardly adequate, just as it would hardly be adequate simply to blame Hitler and his henchmen for the second world war, without mentioning the Treaty of Versailles or Weimar inflation. But that does not exculpate the perpetrators of last week's onslaught, just as the Versailles treaty does not excuse Auschwitz: whatever their grievances, nothing could excuse an attack of such ferocity and size. So what explains it? A surprising number of people, and not just gullible fanatics looking for someone to hold responsible for the hopelessness of their lives, believe that to a greater or lesser extent America has reaped as it sowed. If this charge is to be taken at all seriously, it must first be separated from the general anti-Americanism fashionable in some left-wing circles in Europe, say, or even Latin America. It may be reasonable to dislike the death penalty, a society so ready to tolerate guns, even the vigour of a culture that finds its expression in unpretentious movies and McDonald's hamburgers, but none of these could conceivably explain, let alone justify, a single act of terrorism. Similarly, though globalisation clearly arouses fury among protesters, and concern among some more moderate critics, it would be ridiculous to think that last week's attack was prompted by any American antipathy towards welfare payments, closed economies or restraints on speculative capital movements. The charge that in politics the United States is arrogant, even hypocritical, may deserve more notice. America has recently brushed aside some good international agreements (on nuclear testing, for example, a world criminal court, land mines), as well as dismissing some bad ones (the Kyoto convention on global warming) with an insouciance unbecoming to the world's biggest producer of greenhouse gases. Its understandable determination to pursue a missile shield threatens to upend the system of deterrence and arms control that has so far saved the world from nuclear Armageddon. It has refused to pay its dues to the United Nations, even as it has cut its aid for the world's poorest. Its eagerness to prosecute African and Balkan war criminals while refusing to allow its own nationals to submit to an international court has made it seem unwilling to hold itself to the standards it imposes on others. Were these actions unwise? Possibly. Have they caused resentment? Yes. But could that resentment plausibly have motivated a single one of last week's suicide attackers? No. The seeds of discord Perhaps it would be more profitable to look deeper into the past. During the half-century of the cold war, the United States undoubtedly subordinated principles as well as causes to the overriding concern of defeating communism. The great upholder of laws at home was happy to trash them abroad, whether invading Grenada or mining Nicaraguan harbours. It propped up caudillos in Latin America, backed tyrants in Africa and Asia, promoted coups in the Middle East. More recently, it has been willing to kick invaders out of Kuwait, to strike at ruthless states like Libya and Iraq and, moreover, to go on trying to contain them with sanctions and, in Iraq's case, with almost incessant bombardment. Is it here perhapsespecially in the Middle Eastthat America has gone wrong? No. The Economist has not been an uncritical supporter of American policy in the Middle East. We have been more ready to argue the Palestinian case than have recent administrations and believe that the United States could sometimes have done more to restrain Israel. We have also pointed out that the policy of sanctions against Iraq, whatever its intention, in practice punishes innocent Iraqis and thus allows Saddam Hussein to blame the West, notably America, for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi children. Perhaps nothing does more to fuel anti-American resentment in the Arab world. Such criticisms as we have made, however, in no way imply that we think America was wrong to fight the Gulf war or to try to disarm Saddam afterwards. It was also right to stand by Saudi Arabia as an ally, however much that annoyed zealots. Similarly, whatever Israel's mistakes, America can hardly be accused of having failed to try to bring it to a peace: every administration of recent years has attempted to bring the two sides together, and none has come closer than Bill Clinton's last year. America defends its interests, sometimes skilfully, sometimes clumsily, just as other countries do. Since power, like nature, abhors a
Fw: Codename embarrassment [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: NY Transfer News Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: [CubaNews] Codename embarrassment Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit source - MichaelP [EMAIL PROTECTED] [If it is still possible to howl at the President Select and his bone-headed administration, perhaps there is still hope. The intellectual quality and level of cultural propaganda packaging in this Crusade indicates they are going to get slaughtered -- no doubt about it. The ultimate absurdity of Muslims giving the US Government opinions on what is and is not blasphemous in its choice of War Titles (and the US government making hasty retreats from their messy faux pas) needs no comment. You can't drop napalm and white phosphorous on Third World children without conducting a good series of Focus Groups. What can Baby Bush be thinking?] GUARDIAN (London), Friday September 21, 2001 by Julian Borger Codename embarrassment Washington, Sept 21--An embarrassed Pentagon yesterday was forced to rethink its choice of codename for the war on terrorism declared by President Bush after Muslims complained that the name Infinite Justice was blasphemous. The defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, distanced himself from the offending phrase, saying it had been thought up by someone, somewhere, but doubting it would last. He said: Obviously, the United States does not want to do or say things that create an impression on the part of the listener that would be a misunderstanding. A White House official said it was likely the name would be withdrawn after complaints from Muslim clerics that infinite justice could only be provided by God, not the US government. The name was leaked on Wednesday night, as details emerged of deployments of US air power to the Gulf - the most visible sign so far of the military build-up ahead of a conflict whose protagonists and aims remained unclear yesterday. Nihad Awad, the head of the Council on American Islamic Relations, said: When it is translated to some concepts in Arabic, it refers to something that belongs to God and that could cause some misunderstanding between the United States and some Muslim countries. So it would be wise to withdraw the term. Previously, President Bush drew criticism by his use of the word crusade for the anti-terrorist campaign, as for Muslims the medieval crusades were still thought of with horror. Some US commentators also criticised the word infinite. The liberal online magazine Salon.com said Americans were looking for some reassurance that the conflict we face is not infinite - that Bush's team can define a reasonable set of achievable objectives so we can declare victory some time in our lifetimes, preferably sometime soon. = NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://TOPICA.COM/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Refuting Christopher Hitchens [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - I think that the appended article by Christopher Hitchens is worth the effort of refuting because he and The Nation magazine still have some influence over sections of the left. My contribution to that refutation follows. Feel free to plagiarize from it if you think you can do a better job. No credit to me is necessary. - Aaron P.S. I put 'American' in quotes so as not to insult the rest of the peoples of the Western Hemisphere. I often just write it as 'AmeriKKKan', but I thought that might be too distracting to those trying to follow my argument. I have, however, used 'United Snakes' when not wanting to abbreviate to 'U.S.'. I hope lovers of long, scaly, limbless reptiles will not be too offended. The Nation October 8, 2001 Against Rationalization by Christopher Hitchens [SNIP] In one form or another, the people who leveled the World Trade Center are the same people who threw acid in the faces of unveiled women in Kabul and Karachi, who maimed and eviscerated two of the translators of The Satanic Verses and who machine-gunned architectural tourists at Luxor. Hitchens has no more knowledge of who carried out the 911 attacks or what motivated them than the rest of us have. But his whole argument is based on the above presumption. Actually, it can't even be called a presumption since starting it with the phrase, in one form or another, makes it so vague as to be almost meaningless. I was apprehensive from the first moment about the sort of masochistic e-mail traffic that might start circulating from the Chomsky-Zinn-Finkelstein quarter, and I was not to be disappointed. With all due thanks to these worthy comrades, I know already that the people of Palestine and Iraq are victims of a depraved and callous Western statecraft. And I think I can claim to have been among the first to point out that Clinton's rocketing of Khartoum--supported by most liberals--was a gross war crime, which would certainly have entitled the Sudanese government to mount reprisals under international law. With all due thanks to Mr. Hitchens for his understanding of these facts, I don't think any of us 'masochistics' are aiming our exposures of imperialism's crimes at people like him. It is worse than idle to propose the very trade-offs that may have been lodged somewhere in the closed-off minds of the mass murderers. Were their minds any more closed off than those of the millions of United Snakes patriots who call for bloody 'retaliation' against the peoples and nations who 'in one form or another' (to use Hitchens' phrase) were responsible for the 911 attacks? The people of Gaza live under curfew and humiliation and expropriation. This is notorious. Very well: Does anyone suppose that an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza would have forestalled the slaughter in Manhattan? In the mechanical way Hitchens poses the question, probably not. It would take a moral cretin to suggest anything of the sort; Millions of us 'moral cretins' speculate that, if the people who gave their own lives in carrying out the attacks were indeed from the Middle East, they may well have been motivated by rage at the U.S. backing for Israeli state terror and at the U.S.-led mass murder of about 1,500,000 mostly Arab, mostly Muslim people in Iraq. And that wouldn't be any less true if that rage led them to Muslim fundamentalism in the absence of a mass communist (or other secular anti-imperialist) movement. [T]he bombers of Manhattan represent fascism with an Islamic face, and there's no point in any euphemism about it. What they abominate about the West, to put it in a phrase, is not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state. Is the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or the other supposed targets (the White House, the Capitol, or Camp David) a particular locus or symbol of emancipated women, scientific inquiry, or separation of religion from the state? Aren't they rather loci and symbols of 'American' imperial economic and military domination? Any decent and concerned reader of this magazine [i.e., The Nation] could have been on one of those planes, or in one of those buildings --yes, even in the Pentagon. Yes, decent people were on those planes, and some of them might have had the poor judgement to be readers of The Nation, for which they certainly shouldn't have been killed. But the persons killed inside the Pentagon were no more innocent victims than were any Germans (other than spies or prisoners) killed inside a bombed Gestapo or Wehrmacht building. ...this is an enemy for life, as well as an enemy of life. Hitchens is writing about the Islamicists, and he is right. But, on a world scale, the United Snakes and its imperialist allies are overwhelmingly more
Fw:7000 Protesters at Meeting of Finance Ministers. [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - - Original Message - From: reg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: [C-I] Protesters at Meeting of Finance Ministers from the Oread Daily THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES Around 7000 protesters marched in east Belgian city of Liege as European finance ministers began gathering to discuss the economic impact of the US terror attacks. With police patrolling in boats and helicopters near the city center, riot police with water canons were visible, and all roads to the site of the meeting were blocked. The marchers, from around the 15-nation EU and Eastern Europe, demanded that the finance ministers make jobs and social welfare their major priority, said Waltraud Etz from the European Trade Union Confederation. The demonstrators said that about 200,000 jobs had been lost in Europe since January and urged the finance ministers to tackle that problem as well. Banners were spotted which read, The euro is coming but not the jobs and End horror of capitalism. Sources: Ananova, Reuters The Oread Daily provides daily (Monday-Friday) progressive, left, anti-racist, anarchist, commie, activist, environmental, Marxist, revolutionary, etc. news and information from around the US and around the world. The Oread Daily was a mimeographed sheet that came out first in the summer of 1970 in Lawrence, Kansas. It was irreverent, radical, spicy, revolutionary et. al. Now, three decades later it returns. To view the entire Oread Daily, please visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OreadDaily - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://TOPICA.COM/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
A LEADER IS REQUIRED [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Izvestia September 21, 2001 A LEADER IS REQUIRED Putin is offered the chance to become father to a new system Author: Svetlana Babaeva, Georgy Ilichev [from WPS Monitoring Agency, www.wps.ru/e_index.html] SOME RUSSIAN POLITICAL SCIENTISTS GATHERED YESTERDAY AT THE CIVIL DEBATE CLUB TO DISCUSS RUSSIA'S ROLE IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND FORMULATE A NEW AGENDA FOR THE GOVERNMENT. TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER STRIKES AGAINST CIVILIZATION, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF RUSSIA AND NATO MEMBERS FORM A REAL PARTNERSHIP. We are entering an undetermined situation. There is no place in the world for a new equivalent of the Roman Empire; but a leader is required. Putin may become such a leader if he does not allow his country to become involved in a war, proves capable of proposing unifying initiatives, and shapes Russia's interests and line of conduct. These are the opinions of some Russian political scientists who gathered yesterday at the Civil Debate club to discuss Russia's role in the new world order and formulate a new agenda for the government. There are other assessments. Economist Mikhail Delyagin, speaking about the US: It has reclaimed the mandate of world leader. There is no consensus on evaluations of the general situation either: some consider that World War IV has started (the Cold War was considered to be World War III), others that the old era has ended, while the new one has not yet begun. Despite the absence of a clear definition of the point we are at, the political scientists at Civil Debate (incidentally, they are sponsored by the authorities to some extent) tried to shape the new agenda for the Russian political establishment. Speakers said that this is the first large-scale crisis in which Russia can express its own position - a crisis in attempts to guarantee security for itself while ignoring the security of others. Political scientist Gleb Pavlovsky and other experts who may be described as close to the top decision-making circles proposed to develop a new security system. Their proposals can be reduced to some key points. The first is as follows: contemporary (also political) institutions, which had inherited much from the Cold War, have shown their inability to respond to new threats. It is necessary to reform NATO, the UN - and the UN Security Council, which must be deprived of the status of Washington's regional committee by means of admitting new members. In addition, the security system must be collective, without a dominant force but with a leader, possibly Putin, and all civilized countries as members of the system. Close cooperation between special services, especially in intelligence exchange, must become a subdivision of this system. Since Russia has various forms of intelligence, it will be able to be on an equal footing with the leading world powers, primarily with the US. Also, new initiatives and think-tanks are required; otherwise Russia will remain shackled by an antiquated foreign policy and will continue to counter new threats by old methods. It is not ruled out that some of these initiatives will be announced by the president within days. Statements made by many senior state officials and political scientists are remarkably similar on a few points: the need to transform NATO into a structure which does not dictate ideology; the need to admit new states into the process of shaping the world order (via the UN Security Council); active cooperation between the G-8 member nations, especially their special services. Another point was mentioned by Alexander Auzan, director of the Consumer Groups Confederation, at a roundtable meeting. He said that society itself would cope with solving some of the problems - such as ethnic and religious conflicts, which will inevitably arise and which must not develop into international antagonism, relations between rich and poor, etc. He added: As a citizen, a taxpayer, I am willing to pay additional taxes to maintain the special services if they deliver Khattab, Basaev, and others within a year, preferably to stand trial. However, I do not wish to pay for satellites which can detect the light of a cigarette but cannot see a detachment of 100 guerrillas. Another leading Russian political scientist, Dmitry Trenin, deputy director of the Moscow Carnegie Center, expressed a sharper opinion about Russia's foreign policy. He spoke of the role of a junior partner being prepared for Russia, rather than a leader's position. Trenin thinks that the major problem Russia faces now is simple and cruel: whether we should fight side by side with the Americans, or try to stay out of it. If we make the wrong decision here, we will have to pay a very high, almost exorbitant, price. Admitting the obvious - the fact that the terrorist attacks proved to be an ugly
Bush Announces New Cabinet Level Office For Homeland Security [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.
Title: Message Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Bush Announces New Cabinet Level Office For Homeland Security -- President Bush last night announced the creation of a new White House office to lead the government's efforts to defend the American public against terrorists and named Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge (R) to the Cabinet-level post, according to The Washington Post. ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1708-2001Sep21.html ) As the first director of the new Office of Homeland Security, Ridge will coordinate 40 federal agencies and departments, overseeing everything from the interaction between the FBI and the CIA in developing and using intelligence to working with governors and state agencies to adequately prepare for potential attacks. "There are precedents that should worry us," writes Cato Vice President for Defense and Foreign Policy Studies Ted Galen Carpenter in "Exploiting the New War on Terrorism." ( http://www.cato.org/current/terrorism/pubs/carpenter-010920.html ) "America's involvement in World War I was a major factor leading to the adoption of Prohibition. In World War II, the government acquired the power to withhold income taxes from workers' payrolls -- a 'temporary' measure that is with us still and serves to disguise the extent of the tax burden on Americans. During the Cold War the 'national defense' justification was used to pass laws that had nothing to do with that task. It is not coincidental that the legislation that gave the federal government a foot in the door on educational matters was the National Defense Education Act." - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Will Barbara Lee's Risky Gamble Pay Off? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Message Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Will Barbara Lee's Risky Gamble Pay Off? Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNetSeptember 19, 2001 California Congresswoman Barbara Lee, a black Democrat, is gambling that she won't share the fate of Montana Republican Jeanette Rankin, Oregon Senator Wayne Morse, and Alaska Senator Ernest Gruening. Rankin cast the only congressional vote against Franklin Roosevelt's declaration of war against Japan following the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941. Morse and Gruening cast the only votes against the Tonkin Gulf resolution that gave Lyndon Johnson full power to wage war in Vietnam in 1965. The voters didn't forgive or forget their dissent. Rankin left Congress in 1943, and Morse and Gruening were trounced in their re-election bids. Lee followed their example when she cast the lone vote against giving President Bush carte blanche to unleash war against terrorists. She ignored polls that show that a staggering number of Americans want a swift, pulverizing hit against terrorists even if that means body-bagging innocent civilians in the process. The vote was her personal message to Bush to think before lobbing bombs, cruise missiles, and ground troops at Afghanistan. Lee is not off base in her dread that Bush's big stick will turn terrorist wanted man Osama bin Laden and the Afghan Taliban into mythic heroes among their supporters, swell the ranks of terror bombers, cripple relations with moderate Arab and Palestinian leaders, and torpedo chances for an Israeli-Palestinian deal. Some British and French officials, and Bush's Arab allies, have implored him to use caution and restraint in dealing with Afghanistan. But the parallel to the dissent over America's entrance into World War II and Vietnam don't hold up. Much of the world was already at war when the Japanese attacked the U.S. military, and while the Vietnam war was a towering disaster, with heavy racist, and imperial overtones, the Americans that filled the body bags were mostly combatants. Those filling the bags at the Trade Center and Pentagon are clerks, typists, computer processors, security guards, fire fighters, and beat police officers. And, those European officials and Arab leaders that voiced mild dissent to U.S. war making in the next breath pledged their total support to any action Bush takes. Lee also banks that in bucking Bush and the public's war mania she speaks for her core supporters, the black voters in the Berkeley and Oakland districts she represents. Lee claims that she received thousands of emails from those constituents urging her to take a stand against Bush and war. But this also rests on the shaky belief that blacks are less willing to back America's wars than whites. This is pure myth. During America's wars, black protest has always given way to black patriotism. Black divisions distinguished themselves in the Civil War and the Spanish American War. During World War I, black scholar, and activist, W.E.B. Dubois in a Crisis Magazine editorial rallied blacks to the flag with a call to close ranks and forget their racial grievances. They flocked to a segregated army in droves. Patriotic fever among blacks soared during World War II. Black newspapers carried headlines "Buy a Liberty Bond and Win the War." Not only did blacks buy millions of dollars in war bonds, they also staged victory balls, rallies, and fund drives. During the Korean conflict, blacks again dutifully trudged off to yet another foreign battlefield. The massive 1960s protests, and urban riots, heavyweight boxing champ, Muhammad Ali's draft refusal, the relentless attack by Malcolm X, the Black Panthers, and black power advocates on the Vietnam war as "racist," and "imperialist," did not dissuade blacks from fighting and dying in disproportionate numbers in Vietnam. In the Gulf War in 1991, blacks composed more than one-third of the fighting force. When Congress voted unanimously to authorize Clinton to wage war against Serbia in 1998, other than Lee who cast the sole vote against the war resolution, and a small number of black militants, there was scarcely a murmur of opposition among blacks. The week before the Trade Center and Pentagon terror attacks, Congressional Black Caucus members were savaging Bush for not attending the World Racism Conference, the Florida vote fraud, and his tax rebate that further drained billions from the budget coffers for health and education programs. The moment after the attacks, they instantly reversed gear, rallied round the flag, and with not a peep of public protest, other than Lee, backed Bush's war power resolution. The Black Caucus's most vocal Bush critics, Georgia representative, Cynthia McKinney and Texas Representative, Eddie Bernice Johnson, even issued public statements that sounded every bit as bellicose as Bush's. The reflexive liberal politics of
PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Dear readers! Here's another article from the Russian press about the US terrorist attacks. The URL of this page is: http://eairc.boom.ru/views/pearl.html === PEARL HARBOR II: The Technology of Manipulation Did Washington know about the World Trade Center attacks in advance? by G. Shcherbatov ARI (Agency of Russian Information), Sept. 12, 2001 Translated from the Russian, slightly abridged and modified Two years ago, on the eve of the beginning of the 2nd Chechen War, when apartment houses were being blown up in Moscow, evidence surfaced that they might have been blown up not by Chechen terrorists, but by the Kremlin, to create a pretext to declare war. Now some are voicing a similar theory in relation to the recent New York terrorist attacks, i.e., that Washington itself had a hand in them. If this sounds too far-fetched for you, then read on. Live coverage of the attack was just getting underway in New York, and already we were hearing the words: Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor. It's another Pearl Harbor! Just how accurate this comparison was could be judged by the cold shiver that ran up my spine and the spines of others who remember their history. For consumers of hamburgers raised on the Hollywood version of that tragedy, Pearl Harbor! is a rallying cry to destroy the infidels, only with Arabs this time in the role of the Japanese. I can imagine how fat-bottomed housewives all over America shed patriotic tears into their popcorn at the sight of those boys singing on the Capitol steps. Those more skeptical of official American propaganda, however, will find the following facts to be a good memory-refresher: On December 7, 1941 a surprise Japanese air-attack over Pearl Harbor resulted in 4574 casualties (killed, injured, and missing), 177 aircraft, two destroyers, two squadron minesweepers and a lot of smaller vessels destroyed. That day went into US history as a day of infamy. This has been pounded into the heads of all American schoolchildren for the last 60 years. But what's been beaten out of their heads just as insistently? 1. On January 27, 1941, the US ambassador in Tokyo informed his government that in case of conflict between the United States and Japan, the Japanese intend a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. 2. The legendary Soviet agent Richard Sorge informed the Soviet Government in October 1941 that the Japanese intend to attack Pearl Harbor in the next 60 days, and received an answer that this information had been passed on to President Roosevelt. (From Sorge's admission, published in the New York Daily News of May 17, 1951.) 3. From September 1941 until the moment of the attack, all Japanese communiques intercepted and deciphered by American intelligence pointed to the impending attack on Pearl Harbor, but they were not passed on to local command: Documents published after the war show that the American base in Hawaii was deprived of all information about the inevitable attack. Even such agitprop as the Discovery Channel is in agreement with this. 4. On December 1, 1941, the head of the Far East Division of US Naval Intelligence wrote in his report to the commander of the Pacific Fleet: War between the United States and Japan will begin in the nearest future. The report never reached the commander's desk, because it was accidentally detained by his superiors. 5. On December 5, 1941 Colonel Sadtler from US military communications wrote the following telegram to his command, based on information he'd received: War with Japan will begin immediately; exclude all possibility of a second Port Arthur. This telegram was also detained. 6. The Japanese' answer to Roosevelt's ultimatum, tantamount to a declaration of war, was received by Washington on the 6th of December, 1941. Not a word of this was passed on to the Pearl Harbor command. In addition to these incontrovertible facts there are the memoirs of three high-ranking commanders of the US Navy, all participants in the events surrounding Pearl Harbor: Rear Admiral Kimmel, head of the Pacific Fleet; Fleet Admiral Halsey, under Kimmel's command in December, 1941; and Rear Admiral Theobald, commander of the minesweeper squadron at Pearl Harbor. From Kimmel's memoirs: It was part of Roosevelt's plan that no warning be sent to the Hawaiian Islands. Our leaders in
Why Americans are so Blind [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Message Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Why Americans are so Blind by Henrey H. Lindner Why do Americans, who otherwise have a fair moral sense and have often intervened around the world to protect victimized groups, continue to tolerate any and all Israeli crimes against Palestinians, and then blame the Palestinians for fighting back? Why do Americans consider Palestinians undeserving of basic human rights? Why don't Americans realize that Zionism is a form of ethnic and religious bigotry and discrimination? Why did Americans go to war on the basis of UN Resolutions in order to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo, yet continue to aid and abet the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in contradiction to the UN Resolution 242 and 338? Having been raised in a typical American Protestant family, I believe I can shed some light on this issue. I was once there myself. America's moral blindness on this issue is due to many factors working together, reinforcing each other: Physical Isolation -- Americans live on a continent on the other side of the Earth. Most Americans never travel to the Middle East. Here they may know some Jews, but few know any Palestinians. Americans are not close enough to the people or the conflict to receive any unbiased factual information. They must rely on the American media for information. Media Bias -- The American media and political establishment is rabidly pro-Israeli for a variety of reasons, some listed below. Many newspapers and media giants are owned by Israel-sympathizing Jews. In addition, the Israeli propaganda machine is sophisticated and powerful, practically guaranteeing that Americans receive nothing but pro-Israeli propaganda. Any one who attempts to criticize Israel's actions is shouted down with the all-purpose charge of "anti-Semitism". Any attempt to present a "neutral" journalistic view of current events in the Middle East plays into Israel's hand, as such a treatment ignores the historical and moral context that has produced the current violence. The movie "Exodus", seen by millions of Americans, presented the ethnic cleansing of Palestine as a peaceful transition. Jewish manipulation of the American Political system -- Politicians are afraid of the Zionist lobby. They should be. No comprehension of suffering -- Americans generally have grown up comfortably in a stable country that was never threatened. They have no idea what life is like for people who see relatives killed, who are displaced from their homes, who live under the power of a hostile tribalistic government, who have their houses bulldozed, whose ability to earn a living depends on their captor's whims. Americans simply cannot understand why the Palestinians hate their overlords so much that they will take up stones against soldiers firing bullets. Let any American live with some Palestinians in the West Bank for a few days and his views would be transformed. Shared Racism and Genocide -- America, like Israel, was created by Europeans with a genocide of the indigenous people. White settlers drove the American Indians off their ancestral land. If they fought, they were killed. Indians were confined to a few reservations. No thought was given to the rights of the Indians. Whites believed that God wanted them to have the land. Until recent years, the Indian genocide was celebrated in Western movies, and never criticized in schools. Just as Indians were considered uncivilized heathens not deserving basic rights; so are the Palestinians. The parallels between the establishment of the American and Israeli states are many. The American genocide and enslavement of African people likewise has been insufficiently recognized, criticized, or corrected. Racism thrives at a subconscious level in the vast majority of Americans' minds. Americans consider themselves and their country to be especially righteous and blessed by God. The Israeli Jews, of course, consider themselves the "Chosen People". The religious bigotry and tribalism inherent in this idea require no comment. The Bible -- Having little history of their own, and being descended largely from fervent Christians, Americans have grown up in Sunday schools being taught stories from the Bible about the Jews--their suffering in Egypt, their march through the desert, their wars, their kings, their prophets, their heros and heroines, etc. From the Old Testament, American kids learn that the Jews' attack upon, conquest of, and slaughter of the Canaanites, Philistines, and other indigenous peoples of Palestine was good and right; ordained by God himself! Imagine the effect of such ideas on little children! The Old Testament makes it clear: Jews-Good: Canaanites-Bad. Now of course,
