FW: Vatican STILL hiding its WWII Holocaust crimes! [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - -Original Message- From: dd chukurov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:37 PM To: Tribunal Watch List Subject: Vatican STILL hiding its WWII Holocaust crimes! http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=207354 Tuesday, 31 July 2001 11:11 (ET) UPI hears ... Insider notes from United Press International for July 31, 2001: [...] -0- A panel of six Jewish and Catholic scholars, assembled in 1999 by the Vatican to investigate the papacy and the Holocaust, has refused to submit a final report. The savants had hoped to put to rest allegations of silence on the part of Pope Pius XII about the fate of the Jews. The Vatican had said the panel would be given every assistance. But instead of opening up its archives, Vatican officials presented the panel members with copies of the 11-volume Acts and Documents of the Holy See during World War II, published nearly 40 years ago. All requests for further, original documentation were refused. The panel sent a letter to the Vatican saying, We cannot see a way forward at present and believe that we must suspend our work. Scholars point out that in the published Acts there are no references to the original sources and no guarantee as to the integrity and scope of its inclusions. Vatican officials have accused the panel scholars of bad faith. -0- [...] -- Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Zastava Workers Protest in Kragujevac [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - 'We arrived in the central Serbian city of Kragujevac several hours later than planned, due to an overly ambitious schedule and the delay caused by Jaime's injury. Despite our belated arrival at Zastava factory in Kragujevac, management staff had waited patiently and they were there to greet us. Zastava was the largest factory in the Balkans, and certainly the largest I've seen anywhere. Primarily a manufacturer of automobiles and trucks, Zastava supplied 95 percent of automobiles operating in Yugoslavia. This diverse factory also produced tools and machinery. 'It was far too tempting a target for NATO. Shortly after the inception of NATO's war, workers at Zastava organized human shields to protect the plants. Zastava workers sent an open letter to the public of NATO countries and email messages to Western leaders and NATO, notifying them of their action. Their letter proclaimed that we, the employees of Zastava and citizens of freedom-loving Kragujevac, made a live shield, and that workers would remain in the factory to protect with their bodies what provides for their and their families' living. In the early hours of April 9, NATO sent its reply to the workers' letter, in the form of bombs and missiles. Miraculously, no one was killed, but 120 workers were wounded, 30 of them seriously. One woman lying on a stretcher, her head bandaged, said, I can only tell Clinton, we will build a new factory. He cannot destroy everything. Three days later, Zastava endured another onslaught, and 20 more workers were wounded. The six largest plants at Zastava lay in ruins. Interestingly, NATO ignored the plant that manufactured AK-47 automatic rifles. Their intention was to cripple industry. 'According to Dragan Stankovic, export director for Zastava, the factory complex in Kragujevac employed 28,000, and an additional 8,000 in associated Zastava factories throughout Yugoslavia, most of which were also bombed. Stankovic pointed out, Of all the catastrophes that befell us, we consider the humanitarian catastrophe to be the biggest. One of the components of this catastrophe, he felt, was that workers in many factories depended on Zastava, and with its destruction they and their families, 200,000 people in all, were left without a means of livelihood. Zastava's director, Milosav Djordjevic, ruefully concluded, On the nights of the 9th and 12th of April, all our dreams were destroyed in a mere 15 minutes of bombing. It was difficult for him to understand the mentality that could inflict death and destruction. We couldn't believe that some people exist who would kill other people. It was all too easy for me to believe, after months of exposure to the ranting of Madeleine Albright, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Jamie Shea. Stankovic personally witnessed the attacks on April 9th. He was in his apartment during the first detonations at 1:40 AM, which felt like an earthquake. Approximately eight hours later, he was on the grounds of Zastava when the second assault came. I saw a series of mushroom clouds, he said, a series of mushroom clouds, strong light and fire, like an atomic bomb. Strangely, he could hear neither the aircraft nor the explosions. You could see the explosions and big fires only. You couldn't hear anything. ' Greg Elich, Yugoslavia Amid the Maelstrom, http://www.spintechmag.com/0104/ge0401.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Zastava Workers Protest in Kragujevac [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - As far as I remember Kragujevac and the Zastava plant workers resisted NATO vociferously. Including an anti-NATO letter during the bombings and the destruction of their factory. I find it hard to believe that these same people cheered NATO on, but I could be wrong... cheers! Kole In a message dated 31/07/01 06:29:29 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: Zastava Workers Protest in Kragujevac [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Date: 31/07/01 06:29:29 Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Rozoff) Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our website: A HREF= HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK/A - Good job all of you. The word SCAB seems to work, too. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA
RE: RAIMONDO THE REFRIGERATOR TRUCKS - A 'BLACK' COMEDY [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - [...I think I'll post Szamuely's letter, written when he was fired. - Jared] I'd like to see that letter. Jy - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Vatican attack misguided [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Vatican Slander Allegation Unwarranted For Immediate Release August 8, 2001 Jonathan Levy and Tom Easton, Attorneys Tel. 513-528-0586 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vatican spokesman Rev. Peter Gumpel has accused Jewish historians on a special Holocaust commission of ``clearly incorrect behavior,'' charging that they have helped mount a ``slanderous campaign'' against the Catholic Church. Gumpel said several of the Jewish members of the commission had ``publicly spread the suspicion'' that the Holy See was trying to hide documents ``that in their judgment could be compromising.'' However, World War II era documents in possession of attorneys suing the Vatican Bank for laundering Nazi gold tell a different story. According to Jonathan Levy, co-counsel for plaintiffs in the class action lawsuit, Alperin v. Vatican Bank, plenty of evidence already exists to tarnish the reputations of both Pope Pius XII and his successor Paul VI. I dont understand the Vatican position, said Levy, Army counterintelligence documents from 1945-1947 period document Nazi war criminals from the Balkans being sheltered at the Vatican. The then Vatican Secretary of State Montini, later Paul VI, met regularly with Ante Pavelic, known as the Butcher of the Balkans. The lawsuit against the Vatican Bank and Franciscan Order is based in part on a 1998 US State Department report that implicates the Vatican in the laundering of Nazi gold. The Vatican is widely believed to have destroyed incriminating documents. Pius XII and Paul VI were in bed with the Nazis acting as their landlord, travel agent, and banker, said Levy, referring to the Vatican sheltering of Nazi war criminals in safe houses, Vatican provided escape routes or ratlines to South America, and use of the Vatican Bank to launder Nazi funds. Levy says he will make available on his firms web site copies of the most damning documents including one authored by Special Agent William Gowen, one of the few remaining witnesses to Vatican complicity with former Nazis. www.vaticanbankclaims.com/press.html www.vaticanbankclaims.com/pavelic.htm www.vaticanbankclaims.com/paul.htm Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: US Bill On Restrictions On Zimbabweans Is Racist [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Cough up your breakfast television There's a regular feature on CITY-TV's Breakfast Television in Toronto, where a guy comes out in his bathrobe, armed with a mug of coffee and a highlight pencil, and gives commentary on some of the stories from the morning's newspapers which have caught his eye. His picks this morning were supposed to show that the world was falling apart. Exhibit A? The horrible violence against whites in Zimbabwe, which we all agree surely heralds the Apocalypse. But in the course of deploring these developments, he actually SAID that the country had enjoyed good race relations before Mugabe starting stirring things up. The 15-year war of terror by the white minority Ian Smith régime against Zimbabwe's black majority, which claimed more than 40,000 black Zimbabwean lives, preceded by decades of institutional racism and a colour-based land tenure system still in place that would make antebellum Mississippi look socialist - all this was airbrushed out of history, banished down the same memory hole which contains the factual débris of what happened in Yugoslavia between 1941 and 1945. There's at least a certain consistency here. This same station was running South African government tourism ads during the minority rule era in South Africa. And the station's owner, Moses Znaimer, who also owns MuchMusic, (cross Randolph Hearst with Jann Wenner and you get the idea) decreed that MM was not to play Public Enemy songs because of the group's anti-semitism. You gotta lay down the line sometime, you see. jy -Original Message- From: Rick Rozoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: US Bill On Restrictions On Zimbabweans Is Racist [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - MONDAY, AUGUST 06, 2001 THE TIMES OF INDIA America is basically a racist country. Its history is a history of racism, slavery and colonialism. Our former slave masters can never be our liberators. We want to see democracy in Harlem because charity begins at home. 'US bill on restrictions on Zimbabweans is racist' HARARE: A US Senate bill which could usher in visa restrictions against people responsible for violence in Zimbabwe is racist, Zimbabwean Information Minister Johnathan Moyo said in an interview Sunday with a pro-government newspaper. The bill is a racist bill because it's targeting African people whose crime is to seek the restoration of their fundamental rights, Moyo said in The Sunday Mail. America is basically a racist country. Its history is a history of racism, slavery and colonialism. Our former slave masters can never be our liberators, Moyo said. The bill, which passed late Wednesday, asks the administration of President George W. Bush to consult with other nations on ways to implement visa restrictions and other targeted sanctions against those responsible for political violence in Zimbabwe. Known as the Zimbabwe Democracy and Recovery Act, the bill would also double funding for democracy programs in the southern African nation and urges US support of observers for upcoming parliamentary and 2002 presidential elections. Zimbabwe is embroiled in a bitter land row over government attempts to seize land from white farmers without compensation in a bid to correct colonial-era inequities. The land reforms have been accompanied by violent invasions of white farms by militant veterans of Zimbabwe's 1970s liberation war, who have also been tied to political violence that has left some 35 people dead during the last year. Moyo said the United States should promote democracy at home instead of meddling in Zimbabwe affairs. We want to see democracy in Harlem because charity begins at home. The people don't understand how a country that does not want to apologise for slavery in Africa, a country that does not want to compensate Africa for colonialism ... can poke its nose on the affairs of Zimbabwe. I can't see a normal president signing such a racist bill, he said. ( AFP ) __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register
Sara Flounders of IAC and Michel Chossudovsky interviewed on Macedonia [WWW.STOP
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - RealAudio clip of interview with Dennis Bernstein of KPFA Berkeley - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
correction [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Interview was conducted by Nicole Hanrahan - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Freedom of Expression [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Talk about your textbook cases of muzzling free speech. Somebody get on the blower to Amnesty and Human Rights Watch over this. If this was a KLA narcotrafficker, they'd have already convened a press conference by now. -Original Message- From: Lee Mager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Freedom of Expression [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - So Milosevic tried to bring to public knowledge his views on his illegal detainment by a bunch of murdering liars? The scoundrel! I tell you, the more I hear about that man... From: Jim Yarker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Freedom of Expression [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:14:08 -0400 Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - -Original Message- From: Gregory Elich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:07 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: Milosevic Threatened with Loss of Privileges After Giving U.S. Television Interview Associated Press August 24, 2001 MILOSEVIC THREATENED WITH LOSS OF PRIVILEGES AFTER GIVING U.S. TELEVISION INTERVIEW By Anthony Deutsch, Associated Press Amsterdam, Netherlands (AP) Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic was warned Friday that he could lose jail privileges after he gave an unauthorized interview to Fox television. Fox said Milosevic initiated the interview by phoning the station from a telephone just outside his cell at the U.N. detention unit at The Hague, where he is awaiting trial for alleged war crimes against Kosovo Albanians in 1999. ''We found out that he had spoken with a journalist in violation with the rules of detention and he has been warned that if there was to be a repetition that it could result in a withdrawal of all privileges,'' said Jim Landale, spokesman for the Yugoslav war crimes tribunal. ''The situation is crystal clear to him.'' Fox said in an e-mail that Milosevic was surrounded by guards during the phone call, but they did not intervene. Landale said he could not confirm the circumstances of the call. He called the incident ''regrettable'' and said Milosevic had claimed he was unaware he had broken rules by giving the interview. Landale said Milosevic could forfeit his communications privileges, except with an attorney present. Detainees are normally free to buy prepaid telephone cards at the prison store. Milosevic is known to frequently telephone family, supporters and leaders of his political party in Belgrade. According to a transcript of the interview, Milosevic again charged that the tribunal is illegitimate and denied Serb forces had systematically committed war crimes. ''There are individual crimes, but there was clear order that any crime has to be punished immediately and whoever did it have to be arrested,'' he said. As proof, ''more than 500 different individuals were arrested by the police or the army,'' he said. Crimes ''were consequences of chaotic situation created by massive bombing of NATO.'' Milosevic was transferred to the tribunal June 28 from Belgrade, where he had been arrested in April on charges of abuse of power and corruption during his 13-year rule. The former leader declined to enter a plea or appoint lawyers to defend him against the war crimes accusations, and the judges entered innocent pleas to all the charges. Asked in the interview if he regretted the tens of thousands of people killed during the Balkan wars, Milosevic said: ''All of us are sorry for the death of any person all around the world.'' Milosevic said he had always acted in the interest of a united Yugoslavia, and expressed confidence in his public support back home. ''I have very, very wide and very strong support within my people,'' he said. ''So, they understand how they have brought that puppet regime now in Belgrade with those stolen elections and they understand that that is the way to occupy Yugoslavia, and everything is now worse than it was before.'' Milosevic, who was ousted from power in October, was succeeded by President Vojislav Kostunica. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down
RE: NYT Calls For Coup Against Bully of Belarus [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
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"Scribblers in Manhattan know what's best for the people of
Eastern Europe and the world; locals can't
be trusted to recognize their true
interests - after all, look how
often they vote the wrong
way."
And not just the scribes of the wire services and
Manhattan editorial desks - let's not forget the scribes in the Peace Movement,
Civil Society Inc., and the innumerable outposts of the Birkenstock
International; the Herrenvolk in casual dress, who dole out pious lectures to
Eastern Europeans about their "nationalism" ("Imagine there's no
countries...")and the perils of "anti-Nato militarism" - roughly the equivalent
of evoking the threat of "African-American militarism" during the Reconstruction
era - as their own countries continue their unprovoked and murderous march to
the gates of Moscow. They make me want to eat greasy food from non-biodegradable
containers and play "Kalifornia Über Alles" at peak volume.
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RE: Macedonian Rebels Retreat To Kosovo, Released By NATO [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Nato forces fear a phoney peace... Runner up for the Goebbels Prize to The Observer (and let's hear it for ALL our fine contestants...) - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Human Rights, Open Society, Rule Of Law On NATO's Eastern Flank [WWW.STOPNAT
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - You left out Self-Determination. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Belarus Pre-election report [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Excerpt: Westerners should be wary of the extent to which the envoys of their countries are giving Western-style democracy a bad name in Belarus. The OSCE Advisory and Monitoring Group chief in Belarus, Hans Georg Wieck, former head of West German intelligence service, participated in an opposition demonstration in central Minsk the day before the parliamentary election last year. US Ambassador Kozak was active in Latin America, when, ironically, anti-Communist death squads and disappearances were every day events. He played a major role in coordinating US democracy assistance to the Nicaraguan opposition in the elections there in February, 1990 _ along with Mark Palmer, another critic of Belarus today. Various official Western agencies and spokesmen seem determined to pre-judge the outcome of the presidential elections in Belarus. The disjuncture between the active election campaign witnessed on the ground in Belarus and their statements denying it are a worrying phenomenon. Why do OSCE officials fail to notice opposition posters and activists in the streets or opposition candidates speaking for up to half an hour at a time on state television? Report from BHHRG - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: JUSTIN RAIMONDO: WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN MACEDONIA? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK [
Title: Re: JUSTIN RAIMONDO: WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN MACEDONIA? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - One of these days, great minds will discover whats really going on with Justin Raimondo. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Postmark Prague on Nato 2002 Summit [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - RedNet News News and Views from the Communist Press Fw: Postmark Prague news release on Nov.2002 NATO summit in Prague From Ken Biggs, 7/09/01 02:39:17 [En Español] [Em Português] [En Français] [In Italiano] [Auf Deutsch] [-] POSTMARK PRAGUE No.345 News release/feature (700 words) THURSDAY 6 SEPTEMBER 2001 NATO SUMMIT IN PRAGUE November 21st/22nd 2002 At a Communist Party press conference on August 23, the chair of the Czech Republics Communist Union of Youth JOSEF GOTTWALD announced that the recent 15th World Festival of Youth and Students in Algiers had endorsed its call for an international peaceful protest action in Prague against the summit. Its call was also well-received by the more than 13,000 delegates from 143 countries who took part in the festival. Leaders of the World Federation of Democratic Youth, the festivals organiser, will meet in Prague shortly to discuss the nature of the protest. WHY DOES NATO HAVE TO MEET IN PRAGUE? asks Vaclav Vertelar of the Czech Left daily Halo Noviny* The size and militancy of anti-globalisation demonstrations at summits of the worlds richest and most powerful is growing. They peaked at the G8s Genoa summit. What goes on at the meetings themselves is usually pushed far into the background. Instead, pictures of battles between the police and demonstrators and words full of blood and violence dominate the TV news and front pages. But two questions have to be asked. Why are these summits held at all and what are the results? Why are they held in different countries and cities, like world sports championships? * Negative results Only in some cases do these summits have an agenda dealing with specific fundamental issues of major importance to the world. Their results are usually very modest or virtually nil, especially from the point of view of the leaders and countries taking part. Of late they have brought only negative results for the organising state and city: huge sums spent on organisation, security and repairing the damage done during street battles. Perhaps originally the idea was that the organising city would enhance its reputation and benefit from related building projects and the profits from summit-related tourism. In fact, quite the opposite has been the case. The cost outweighs the income, which is certainly not the case with sports championships! * Brussels or New York? The agenda, course and method of arranging political and financial summits mobilises the anti-globalisation forces and violent militant groups. They set the timetable. If this doesnt change, the demonstrations and accompanying violence will increase further. So why go on with all this? Would they be any the less world events if they were more rationally organised and held at the UNs headquarters, which was set up for such purposes? Or, in the case of EU and NATO summits, in Brussels? Opponents of this idea will say that there would be demonstrations there too. This is only partly true. If the summit agendas were changed so that they dealt much more with real problems, and if the discussions were democratically prepared and the main opposition organisations and respresentatives invited, a substantial improvement in the situation could be expected. Anyway, the next G8 talks will be held deep inside Canadas forests or in the inaccessible Rocky Mountains, while the World Trade Organisation will meet in November in the sun-baked desert of the Arab emirate of Qatar. All other things being equal, this will solve nothing. The opponents of globalisation will simply look for other ways of making their point. * Prague The organisers of NATOs summit in Prague in November 2002 are granite-like in their resolve to go ahead. According to Alexandr Vondra, the Czech governments plenipotentiary for the summit and its US ambassador, he is not thinking of moving the summit from Prague. Its inappropriate to react to disturbances by making concessions, he says. So there is no prospect of any reversal of the escalation of violent struggle by various groups at this stage of the establishment of global capitalism. (I have resisted the temptation to call this an intensification of the class struggle.) The government has learned nothing from the IMF/World Bank summit held in Prague in September 2000. It promised a huge income for Prague from summit-related tourism and greater prestige for Prague and the Czech Republic throughout the world. Nothing of the sort happened. Quite the opposite. The summit cost several billion crowns which there is no hope of recovering. In addition, the situation today and in a years time will be different and worse. So, while there is still time, why not discuss holding the NATO summit at NATO itself in Brussels? * This is an abridged translation of an article published
RE: WashTimes: Pure Fiction in Macedoinia [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - I think this is the first time that I've encountered the term non-negotiable estimate. I bet it won't be the last. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Sense and Nonsense About September 11th [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
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RE: Israeli intelligence: Iraq financed attacks [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Message Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Exactly. The notion than any state or government would want to run the risk of having something like this lead back to them, given the U.S.'s limitless capacity to take it out of their hides, is something we would all do well to question, esp in the case of a state whose entire thrust in foreign policy is understandably to try to remove itself from under the Anglo-American boot. Keep your guard up for references to state sponsorship. Of course, theres been state sponsorship of bin-Laden. See preceding posts for what state that is. Interesting how anxious the authorities (and the media) were to trumpet the fact that the flight manual supposedly found in the Boston hotel room of the suspected hijackers was in Arabic. I wonder what the high-profile disclosure of this finding (or finding) did to further the case? It wasnt possible to say theyd developed some important leads to the likely hijackers, incl a flight manual in a hotel room, and just leave it at that? I have a feeling that would have sufficed, if the flight manual had been in English, or Danish. But they obviously WANTED to highlight the fact that it was in Arabic. I guess that was just so that Arab-Americans and Arab-Canadians could sleep a little easier, just like Mr. Giuliani wants. These are agencies which sit on any info they want wave off any questions they want to release info only to suit their purposes. They WANTED that to come out. And then todays pogroms (and more to come). Shame on those motherfuckers. jy -Original Message- From: Francisco Javier Bernal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Israeli intelligence: Iraq financed attacks [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK- BS, why would somebody with an estimated fortune of $250 millions need of Saddam Hussein's financial support? - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ --=extPart_001_003C_01C13CA6.E9A5F610-- --=extPart_000_003B_01C13CA6.E9A5F610 Content-Type: image/gif; name=000439503628.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://realmedia-a592.d4p.net/6/592/1130/0001/multi1.rmuk.co.uk:80/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/Mailround.com/MRhouse2/mailroundtips004.gif R0lGODlhhQACAdU/AAAzmf///5+3wG2Vora2tldgZY+qtP+ZALfH3QAAAKS7wyhRpN4JCcfHxzw9 PU9+kP/fr4CJk0Vrs3GOx3YECMfS5UZOUv+1R8y+q2l1ff/IdeLi4fzq0B4tNYBRDS42O9zk7oeb o/+sMP716IBhRwMLL4+RPUQpBOju8PDz95+dnT5WhgCcKNiGDQB+ALVzKurawxENDGdk1/+iF6GJ bcGfmYWezhofIX2Age/u7KrDy20WieDy7zIvLqyvAP///yH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEh+QQF 9AE/ACwAhQACAQAG/8CAUNgYNgjDAKFIRA6XRqcQ2kwqmQHsNZqkZqVE7hN7TJLB5O7Zqt4c wYSlO96Vv+uNOVhph/f9eXdtglN/g3Rjc3h6dU9xiHWPbI+QjpKTlFaUe3yXkZWFnqGgm5qZhYRs qqusra6vsLGys45FZbS4ubq7vKxUG5wBGyoFPTEJyMnKy8zNzs/Q0dLT0jE9BSobqgTaX2wqDtTi 4+Tl5tIOKpO2lTkZ5/Dx8vPLGTl4qu/JNw4kLy0HAgocSLCgwYMIEypcyPBgixckHNxQlsHUN2UO XjTcyLGjx48HX4RLpq7VhpEJSIBcybKlywMkkjnotkqFzJc4c+o0iLLkqv8CyG5oFKihqFGjAY8q XThDqVMNF3a+bKp0xoEXExMUsCikBzIHBDlgGEsWQ4ALMwKUJTtioYYRZUfAJQtDg1SXF+aOHWH1 wMgetRAdS0kwQAYAiBPDuABhROLEC9oq1IAh8YoRAVYkxmD3LksNMCDzDRgzQQxU3gIkGxrwQoDH ijUEUAEbQIS2VJWiPUA5gu8ach9zgHqh+AWjUUU8FXFghnHjzp9LL15V4HGjECojvi3wRbIpTIAJ SQaQaGjEhxFjaGx5MwQIAfSOhSFXRAAY+OmDhiwkP324dWEmVlkcBABBXv6N8JZ/BSaoF2YXiIAZ DGQFEIF7ArXwnRLd3JL/DEHZbbbZbIipkB4AdUFwYW0LDPeaYiFuh9lj2pkFg2a13bZfYgZqB0AG HDi22QKPwdAYBziiV2RnAW0IhSAfDjTCigAICQAGQkb2mII1+BYBDAHUsNmOiAlB5XrnIUYkimle 6eOVMdoWH5U1cNDmClTa1liSGWBwYpVRCeSkF+MhM1BaOK7wom20XZmmovCNQOFYZ8ZZ0aIoxmkb fhYmVtKZUyZWA3xJrufjZZ2WGGdkYlkWQF9NIuOIFVG2ZqU6KyYKl6dy5QkbfXRywMGWoW5nYF5F wrfmlQEsa6SVAARJJ2alqpjYbSOIKSNBG65SK29prucrlmemyiy01I55/6oQ1R4gwrCKqUVskSSq ye6Y0HJgbYnxtTtQt6p8G6eRb0ZwL2Jg0gjDiQvEJxwH2toWXGLDuZuZZREzi6ma106M2HBtGphn BEmiyGSsCXClmqEC7QtAAJQJxx6P9SK2go+3hczBiWg+FgBzB4zAga+bwizvZo0CMGrIMRvb2Ik3 +xyooLKagYjAVshmhX1WwGcnDAV2zUbYQ2idhEAiROqfEAfyFh+nbJhddtczFGgn2WdzWzUfqX27 kgjPAa1TdM8RRPjUHwFenOAIDVqEeCsn4NnklHvkJBMeslz55pwb5KQ2UGre3HSkSyfC4Yt3rvpB l/NdqOREAbPJ7JQ0UP9UDrWfvPrujtMqOgc41Cb8tRq4bJvuu6u+YQ4R4OA77AFdPLzwBGiw82Mq IJ/85ho287x1G0/P4wVIPpYD4ttv7sFgzHzfGgHi16boAUN7aTCs6TP0ggf8O+D//wCUyDNigAMc RKABeXBd5MBnheC5ygoc4I1T8seQFpyAHj2gidWc4LeBSG87EKDgS1rAvgT4rwAFTKEKD4hABFoA GT24xyoyBz2C2Ac22SvIe3b4ngMwhofvwcwQIIA/dxXPCgoq4kouqBUtxAIoCYihSTgouoFooAGw
Palestinian People's Party, Press Release over acts of b=?i
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - RedNet News News and Views from the Communist Press Palestinian Peoples Party, Press Release over acts of bombing in the US From SolidNet, 14/09/01 02:01:22 [En Español] [Em Português] [En Français] [In Italiano] [Auf Deutsch] [-] Palestinian People's Party, Press Release over acts of bombing in the US From: Palestinian People's Party, Thu, 13 Sep 2001 http://www.palpeople.org , mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Release over acts of bombing in the US The Palestinian People's Party warns of the scheme of Sharon's government which is trying to exploit the bombing operations with planes that targeted the World Trade Center in New York and the US Defense Department in order to settle accounts with the Palestinian leadership and people through forming the so-called international front to fight terrorism that offers a cover up for more acts of aggression against the Palestinian people and against the other peoples of the world who are struggling to reinforce their independence and right in self determination. We join our voice to the voices of all Palestinian, Arab, and international forces in condemning the suicide operations in the US.And we affirm that the attempt to picture the Palestinian people as supporters of such acts is nothing but an Israeli attempt to justify the policy of tightening the aggression and siege. We understand the call to form the so-called international front against terrorism which was advocated first by Israel as an attempt aiming to exploit the aftermath and international reactions resulting from the bombing operations that condemn the killing of innocent civilians. This Israeli call aims to break the international isolation resulting from the policy of colonialism and racial discrimination and the establishment of a new alliance that can save it from its isolation and can allow it to resume its aggressions against the Palestinian people. We stress that the current phase requires urgent efforts to form an international front against colonialism and racial discrimination and work on implementing the decisions of Durban Conference, mainly the formation of an international movement against Israeli racial discrimination against the Palestinian people. The Palestinian People's Party September 12, 2001 *End* Back - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Don't Rebuild the Twin Towers [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - An Architecture of Doom and Dread one loss that mustn't be mourned are the Twin Towers themselves, those blinding prongs that rose up like a tuning fork above the Battery. Under other circumstances, thousands would have gathered to cheer the planned demolition of these oppressive structures as lustily as they have the implosions of the Kingdome in Seattle and other misbegotten monstrosities of the 1970s. You could say the World Trade Center was a singular atrocity--except there were two of them. As architectural historian Francis Morrone wrote his 1998 Architectural Guidebook to New York: The best thing about the view from the indoor and out observation decks of Two World Trade Centeris that they are the only high vantage points in New York city from which the World Trade Center itself is not visible. http://www.counterpunch.org/dontrebuild.html - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Fred Halliday: He's Older and Wiser [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - I remember his analyses of the Gulf War and how I thought its been a long way down. Didnt realize he still had so much further to plummet: The United States is a country with a record at home and abroad that arouses criticism and indignation and, in some cases, rightly so: Vietnam, Nicaragua, the neglect of Palestinian rights, Cuba, the grotesque irresponsibility of its gun laws and its media, the insidious role of religion, and money in public life, to name but a few. Yet such criticism has to be matched, and often is not, by a recognition of what that country means and will mean for the world as a whole. Too much discussion of the United States, in Western Europe as much as elsewhere, is guided by a set of lazy prejudices, condescending in continental Europe, more fetid (in Left and Right variants) in the British case, demagogic and rancorous without proportion in much of the Third World. For all its faults, the United States is, to date, the most prosperous country in human history, the one to which many people, possibly half of the world, would like to emigrate to and work, whose vitality in a range of fields from music to medicine outstrips all others. In regard to many issues, gender and immigration among them, it has a record that puts much of Europe to shame. Much has been made, especially in recent days, of American militarism and belligerency: this is, the discourse of cowboy culture aside, a myth. No other major country has a record as restrained as the United States: it had to be dragged into world war in 1941, as it was dragged into Bosnia in 1995. Sneering at American aggression comes strangely from other countries, given their record in modern times: Britain and France, who trampled over half of Asia and Africa, Russia and China, not to mention Germany, Italy and Japan. http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,552759,00.html - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: News from Neptune for Sept. 21 (fwd)] [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - 'Last week's terrorist crimes in New York are just that -- crimes, and not an act of war, as the Bush Administration keeps bleating. (Even the insurance companies, who would be let off the hook if the New York losses were the result of war, have admitted that they can't claim that.)' - Tell that to CNN, who didn't waste any time shifting gears from Attack on America to America's New War. Apart from the gleefully dishonest rush to use the word war, I was trying to figure out just what bothered me so much about the transition, and then I just heard Harry Shearer hit the nail on the head on Le Show: new is the single biggest come-on word in the history of advertising. It's a HYPE word. We can't be far shy of America's New and Improved War. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Kole: Secular regimes [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Rick, I still agree with Kosta that neither Iran nor Sudan can be characterized as secular régimes (they don't have to be calqued on the Taliban to be non-secular), and that this is the case whether one is speaking of the governing parties' ideology or the larger legal/constitutional order in these states. That quibble aside, I still think this analysis is one of the most important for showing a neglected aspect in all this business - namely, the instrumentality of an occupation of the Hindu Kush region in completing the encirclement (or the noose around) Russia/FSU. With the arc of satellites from the Balkans/Caucasus thus extended, the logical next/last step is the self-determining of Xinjiang. (enter Human Rights). It adds another piece to the picture showing who gains from all this? Good job, all of you. I hope this is widely read by peace groups, and of course, I fear it won't be. Best, Jim -Original Message- From: Rick Rozoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Kole: Secular regimes [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Dear Kole, Notwithstanding the lingering effects of Khomeini era influence in Iran, nor the introduction of Islamic law in Sudan, Iran now is different than it was in 1979 - according to the US itself at any rate - and neither Iran nor Sudan was established as a theocratic state after World War II, unlike several others I could name. In no way can either be compared to Aghanistan under both the Mujahedin and Talian regimes, as Western propaganda is currently trying to portray them. Similarly, Libya's constitution has an Islamic flavoring, but could hardly be described as an Islamic fundamentalist regime. Both Iran and Sudan have had several governments since 1945, and the vast majority of years intervening between then and now have seen purely secular governments. As they may again at anytime. Such is definitively not the case with US client regimes and recipients of US military aid like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, etc. Without splitting too many hairs, the US is 'building a case' against several countries with no connection - or with Sudan, no current connection - with the alleged evildoer Osama bin Laden, and it seems incumbent on all of us to acquaint Western friends - who do not understand why Shiite Iran would not harbor Wahhabi Sunni fundamentalists, for example - with the truth. For peace, Rick __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Dennis Bernstein interviews Rep. Barbara Lee on Flashpoints [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - http://www.flashpoints.net/cgi-bin/ra.pl?date=20010917start=05:20 Dennis Bernstein w US House Rep Barbara Lee (her email).. Barbara was the lone congressperson to vote against war.. Barbara: I was in the Capitol that morning, meeting with.. about assistance for small business.. in the dining room of the Capitol.. someone screamed.. we turned on the TV.. we could not believe it.. all our phones were dead.. (discussion).. (about her vote).. people are very angry right now.. I had to look into my conscience, deal with my intellect.. secure the future for our children.. very very scarey, (this legislation).. the use of restraint makes sense.. we had a five hour debate on this.. going to war, a five hour debate.. it does democracy a disservice.. we can not respond in a conventional way.. as a responsible member of Congress. I have received thousands and thousands of calls and emails.. thank you very much.. a critical junction in our history.. thank you for your trust.. a very serious historical moment, how we respond will determine the future of our planet.. Dennis: thank you.. Gandhi: an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Blaming the U.S., whitewashing terror [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Title: Message Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Goes some way toward explaining why one doesnt find too many copies of the Post in the bulldozed dwellings of the West Bank/Gaza and in the Shia neighbourhoods of Beirut. - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Susan Sontag on the WTC Attack, lies and deceptions [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - Dear Steve, Damn straight - and get ready for lots more in this vein, now that the Beautiful People have the picturesque and risk-free setting they require to oppose militarism, viz. now that's it's clear to all that the Bush White House has overplayed its hand on the Sympathy Thing. You'll pardon my venom. It's all for Sontag, and none for you. Best, jy - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: Refuting Christopher Hitchens [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - '[T]he bombers of Manhattan represent fascism with an Islamic face, and there's no point in any euphemism about it. What they abominate about the West, to put it in a phrase, is not what Western liberals don't like and can't defend about their own system, but what they do like about it and must defend: its emancipated women, its scientific inquiry, its separation of religion from the state.' This is actually a close variation on Bush's claim, viz. They hate us because we're free, because we're a beacon to the world... etc etc etc. The whole things fits neatly into the well-established Hitchens genre of fake iconoclasm, rolling out a safe, jingoistic, opportunistic apologia for Imperialism and pretending he's courageously slaying some big dragon of untruth or conceit nursed by fellow leftists. None of the people he's turding on were rationalizing the actions in question, nor issuing their statements with a view to elucidating Mideast politics for Hitchens and his crowd of snooty-toot friends. It's all just pure shadow-boxing - we're not supposed to notice that (as usual) he's taking the Administration's line. For all the efforts of this pompous tosser to manicure some reputation for himself as an anti-imperialist friend of Arab peoples, his rotten political stances have by no means been limited to the Balkans, Eastern Europe, and Central America. He lined up with Jesse Helms and the Republican Right to press the demand for military exclusion zones in Iraq, the territory therein to be administered by the U.S.-backed and -funded Iraqi National Congress exile group, the exclusion of Iraq's forces from it's own sovereign territory to be ensured and policed by U.S. firepower, of course. And if Iraq were to say no to this perfectly reasonable demand, well, more bombs, more babies who won't live very long, etc. See here: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/bushbomb_cp.html - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
FW: Uzbek leaders remain tight-lipped on anti-terrorism participati [WWW.STOPNA
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - To our list's fine satirists: Here's a piece of raw meat. Bon appétit. jy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Janet M Eaton Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:25 AM To: Mai-not Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: san: Uzbek leaders remain tight-lipped on anti-terrorism participati --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:04:55 +0200 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: SOTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TURKISTAN-N] TN: UZBEK LEADERS REMAIN TIGHT-LIPPED ON COUNTRY'S PARTICIPATION IN ANTI-TERRORISM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Turkistan Newsletter Sat, 22 Sep 2001 18:12:39 Turkistan Bulteni ISSN:1386-6265 Uze Tengri basmasar asra yer telinmeser, Turk bodun ilining torugin kem artati, udaci erti. [Bilge Kagan in Orkhon inscriptions] UZBEK LEADERS REMAIN TIGHT-LIPPED ON COUNTRY'S PARTICIPATION IN ANTI-TERRORISM STRUGGLE Josh Machleder: 9/20/01 Uzbekistan has adopted a twin-track policy on possible US retaliation against Afghanistan. In the international arena, Uzbek President Islam Karimov's government has pronounced its support for possible US military action against the Taliban, the radical Islamic movement that controls about 90 percent of Afghan territory. Meanwhile, the government is keeping a tight lid on the domestic media as part of an overall clampdown on civil liberties. The United States has begun deploying warplanes to a variety of Central Asian locations, including Uzbekistan, according to a report September 20 in the Washington Post. Other sources in Washington tell EurasiaNet that American warplanes are destined not only for Uzbekistan, but also for Tajikistan. But Karimov has not explicitly acknowledged that Uzbekistan is making it facilities available to the US military. Indeed, at a September 19 news conference, Karimov stressed he was open to discussing concrete forms of cooperation, while denying that any military cooperation arrangement had been reached. Authorities in Tashkent on September 20 denied that US planes were located on Uzbek territory, the Interfax News Agency reported. Uzbekistan is Central Asia's most populous country with over 25 million inhabitants. Many observers view the country, which was an important staging area during the Soviet army's occupation of Afghanistan from 1979-89, as having the region's most developed military infrastructure. As such, Uzbekistan could play a prominent role in supporting US strikes against Afghanistan. Uzbek statements designed for the domestic audience, circulated by state-run television and newspapers, have used the September 11 tragedy to vindicate government policies imposing strict limits on freedom of speech. In addition, thousands of Uzbeks have been jailed in connection with a campaign against forms of Islamic expression not explicitly sanctioned by the state. [For additional information see the Eurasia Insight archives]. The crackdown followed bombings in the Uzbek capital Tashkent in February 1999. The blasts, blamed on Islamic radicals, were portrayed as an assassination attempt against Karimov. Since 1999, Uzbek authorities have responded to a guerrilla campaign waged by the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) by stepping up repression. Karimov has cast the insurgents as Islamic terrorists. The IMU reportedly has training and logistics bases in Taliban-controlled areas of Afghanistan, and the insurgents' military leader, Juma Namangani, has ties to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. The Uzbek media has trumpeted statements made by Karimov in recent years, including one made at the 2000 United Nations Millennium summit, warning about the dangers of terrorism, and calling for a multinational effort to reduce the security threat posed by terrorists. Local media claim Uzbekistan has been leading a fight against terrorism for years that has gone unheeded, implying that had the West been more responsive to Uzbekistan's warnings and security needs, the September 11 attacks might possibly not have occurred. Uzbek authorities remain concerned about domestic stability. Despite the fact that the Uzbek government lauds the US move against Afghanistan, local media has provided spotty coverage, encouraging the spread of rumors among the population. While the world watched the September 11 attacks in disbelief, Uzbekistan's state television did not interrupt coverage of the President's Cup Tennis tournament. To residents of Tashkent, the lack of news from local sources is no surprise, even considering that Uzbekistan may be one of the strategic sites from which the US may launch retaliatory military actions and there is much interest in how this may affect their lives. If we didn't have access to Internet or Russian TV, we would be the some of last ones in the world to know, said one Tashkent resident. In the
Re: Hitchens: reactionary character etc... [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/msg08376.html [Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] Re: Hitchens: reactionary character etc... To: marxmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hitchens: reactionary character etc... From: jenyan1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:50:31 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, John Cox wrote: from the current The Nation: October 8, 2001 Against Rationalization by Christopher Hitchens This was my induction into the now-familiar symbiosis of tribal piety and high-tech; a symbiosis consummated on September 11 with the conversion of the southern tip of the capital of the modern world into a charred and suppurating mass grave. Not that it necessarily has to be a symbol of modernism and innovation that is targeted for immolation. As recently as this year, the same ideology employed heavy artillery to destroy the Buddha statues at Bamiyan, and the co-thinkers of bin Laden in Egypt have been heard to express the view that the Pyramids and the Sphinx should be turned into shards as punishment for their profanely un-Islamic character. Since my moment in Peshawar I have met this faction again. In one form or another, the people who leveled the World Trade Center are the same people who threw acid in the faces of unveiled women in Kabul and Karachi, who maimed and eviscerated two of the translators of The Satanic Verses and who machine-gunned architectural tourists at Luxor. Even as we worry what they may intend for our society, we can see very plainly what they have in mind for their own: a bleak and sterile theocracy enforced by advanced techniques. Just a few months ago Bosnia surrendered to the international court at The Hague the only accused war criminals detained on Muslim-Croat federation territory. The butchers had almost all been unwanted volunteers from the Chechen, Afghan and Kashmiri fronts; it is as an unapologetic defender of the Muslims of Bosnia (whose cause was generally unstained by the sort of atrocity committed by Catholic and Orthodox Christians) that one can and must say that bin Lade! nism poisons everything that it touches. Like a good Liberal, Hitchens rails against the Islamist while ignoringthe fact that the civilised have, for reasons best known to themselves,for the last hundred years or more, set themselves resolutely andviolently against every democratic and popular force in the Arab andIslamic worlds. Which western intelligence agency was it that collaboratedwith the theocratic Iranian regime as it liquidated the Iraniancommunist party, the Tudeh, in the 1980's. And most of those wailing todayabout the rights of women under theocratic regimes, were strangely silent,or even rallied around the banner of anti-communism, when it suited theirends to destroy a secular Afghan state (and a whole nation in the process)which advanced and protected the rights of those same women. The drivel spouted by Hitchens is symptomatic of the mendacity, basenessand corruption that have sunk themselves deeply into the soul of theWestern bourgeoisie.===PLEASE clip all extraneous text before replying to a message References: Hitchens: reactionary character of Bin Ladism From: John Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prev by Date: Re: what really happened to the plane that went down in PA? Next by Date: Re: Forwarded from Anthony (Bush speech) Prev by thread: Re: Hitchens: reactionary character of Bin Ladism Next by thread: Forwarded from Anthony (Bush speech) Index(es): Date Thread - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - [Well folks, arent you glad that someone finally had the courage to do it? Oh, let the appeasers and milquetoasts howl about prejudicing the progress of re-unification efforts which are opposed by Washington, about reinforcing so-called punitive Washington policies like draconian sanctions and reneging on its commitment to finance non-nuclear power for DPRK after ordering DPRK to abandon nuclear. Let them squawk!! And get ready for the yammering of the fellow-travelers about the millions of dead from U.S. aggression and the most thorough and relentless aerial blitzkrieg ever visited on a single state for which there were no so-called reparations. At least someone on the Left can brave these cowardly distractions and conceits, roll up their sleeves and give North Korea the laurel for Worlds Worst Country. A fitting choice to be sure, since it combines despotism with state failure, in sharp contrast to Hitchenss favoured Bosnia, for example. Of course, the competition was fierce, and among the also-rans is poor Zimbabwe, whose citizens will be devastated to learn theyve now lost the title of Hitchs favorite African nation. ] http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:fi43R7C2NwU:www.msnbc.com/news/594939.asp+%22christopher+hitchens%22+afghanistanhl=en Worst of the Worst: Why North Korea is No. 1 The hermit kingdom combines despotism with state failure Christopher Hitchens July 9 issue A couple of months ago, the White House held a screening of a movie about the life of Varian Fry, the great prewar humanitarian who rescued innumerable artists and writers from Nazified Europe. Several current leaders of humanitarian and relief organizations were invited and one of them was presented to President George W. Bush. What, inquired the chief executive, is the worst country in the world? Congo, Mr. President, came the reply. Oh yesI had that Paul Kabila visit me recently. So, whats the second worst country? Afghanistan Mr. President. Rightwhere them loonies shoot up the statues. PICKING THE WORST COUNTRY in the world is not unlike choosing rogue nationsa parlor game that is open to interpretation, whether informed or not. What goes to make up a real hellhole? The chief ingredients are tyranny, chaos and corruption, but in most countries, the lack of one tends to mitigate the presence of the others. An authoritarian state can bring stability and order; on the other hand, chaotic countries are more likely to have governments that are not very good at repression. In Baghdad I have been sickened by the pervasive feeling of fear while feeling reasonably confident that, if I was knocked down by a car, an ambulance would come. In the Congolese capital of Kinshasa, I realized there would be nobody to call. Some dictatorships, like China, are tough on crime as well as any form of disorder; Tiananmen Square on an average day is very controlled but also very safe. Whereas in Zimbabwe, which used to be my favorite African nation, the state now uses criminal elements for law enforcement. Nor should one forget the systems and societies that are perfectly open, unless you happen to be a member of the wrong race or religion. Yet there is one place on earth that is home to all these forces of misery: the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. Into this tiny space has been packed the worst combination of absolute despotism and utter breakdowna weird coincidence of totalitarianism with state failure. Its the totalitarian aspect that strikes you first, as it did me when I visited North Korea last winter. Fifty years of ultra-Stalinism have made the very idea of a private life almost unthinkable. Every move and utterance is planned and scripted, with an entire people endlessly mobilized for a cult of hysterical adulation. The president of the country is a dead man named Kim Il Sung, whose rotund visage glares from every wall. All other official leadership posts are held by his son Kim Jong Il, whose birth is said to have been attended by miraculous signs and portents. All films, all books, all newspapers and all radio and television broadcasts are about either the Father or the Son. Everybody is a soldier. Everybody is an informer. Everybody is a unit. Everything is propaganda. There are no minorities in North Korea, but that doesnt mean its society isnt intensely chauvinistic. Children are drilled to think of Japanese and Americans, in particular, as monstrous. It is forbidden for citizens to have any contact with the handful of foreign visitors. One of my party-appointed guides told me that South Korea would need to be liberated very soon by the North, before intermarriage and exposure to outsiders could mongrelize the South Korean people. The old justification for the Stalinist forced-march system was that at least it led to development. But even in Pyongyang,
How U.S. destroyed progressive secular forces in Afghanistan [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.U
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/afghan0927.php How U.S. destroyed progressive secular forces in Afghanistan By Deirdre Griswold The media are suddenly full of opinions about Afghanistan, now that the Bush administration is accusing Osama bin Laden and other Islamic fundamentalists of being behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. In the 1980s, the reactionary political elements now ruling Afghanistan were working with the CIA to overthrow a progressive Afghani government supported by the Soviet Union. After the spending of an ocean of blood and billions of U.S. dollars, the reactionaries won. Washington was happy and unconcerned as its protégés went on to butcher Afghani progressives, restore landlordism and repress women while fighting among themselves. The eventual triumph of the Taleban faction represented a catastrophe for the Afghani people. Just in the last year thousands of Afghani refugees have died of starvation and exposure and Kabul, the capital, is such a wasteland that the U.S., demanding vengeance, can't even find anything to bomb. On Oct. 10, 1996, Workers World printed the following article about how the U.S. strangled a popular revolution led by the Progressive Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) against feudalism and imperialism. Not that long ago, the bourgeoisie could still feel pride in their revolutionary history. They continued to celebrate the 1789 French Revolution and many other great victories in the struggle against feudal oppression. They even spoke approvingly of the 1917 overthrow of the czarist autocracy in Russia. The problem, they said, was that the Bolsheviks had spoiled that struggle for democracy by going too far. But capitalism in this rotten age of U.S. imperialist conquest of the globe has degenerated so far from its revolutionary roots that it is now, to borrow a phrase from Henry Kissinger, to the right of the czar. And it is celebrating the return of absolute feudal rule in Afghanistan. The powerful media engines, their reach multiplied by the most modern technologies, are presenting the world with instant photographic images of a lynching--that's all it was--of the few progressives left in Kabul. . To make the deed more palatable, the media use adjectives like butcher to describe former President Najibullah and his aides. Dragged out of the United Nations compound where they had sought asylum for the last four years, they were beaten to death and then left hanging for all to see. But among themselves, foreign-policy experts for the U.S. establishment know that the Afghani progressives' real crime was that they tried to carry out a social transformation in their country in the direction of socialism. What authority bears witness to this? None other than the U.S. Department of the Army itself. The Pentagon puts out what it calls country study books on almost every country in the world. They are updated every few years. These books contain basic information for the use of U.S. personnel traveling or working abroad. There's nothing classified in them. They're available in most libraries. Afghanistan--a Country Study for 1986 has of course the anti-communist line expected of a Pentagon publication. But it also contains much useful information about the changes instituted by the Afghani Revolution of 1978. Freeing women and peasants Before the revolution, 5 percent of Afghanistan's rural landowners owned more than 45 percent of the arable land. A third of the rural people were landless laborers, sharecroppers or tenants. Debts to the landlords and to money lenders were a regular feature of rural life, says the U.S. Army report. An indebted farmer turned over half his crop each year to the money lender. When the PDPA took power, it quickly moved to remove both landownership inequalities and usury, says the Pentagon report. Decree number six of the revolution canceled mortgage debts of agricultural laborers, tenants and small landowners. The revolutionary regime set up extensive literacy programs, especially for women. It printed textbooks in many languages--Dari, Pashtu, Uzbek, Turkic and Baluchi. The government trained many more teachers, built additional schools and kindergartens, and instituted nurseries for orphans, says the country study. Before the revolution, female illiteracy had been 96.3 percent in Afghanistan. Rural illiteracy of both sexes was 90.5 percent. By 1985, despite a counter-revolutionary war financed by the CIA, there had been an 80-percent increase in hospital beds. The government initiated mobile medical units and brigades of women and young people to go to the undeveloped countryside and provide medical services to the peasants for the first time. Among the very first decrees of the revolutionary regime were to prohibit bride-price and give women freedom of choice in marriage.
scientific polling on internment camps (can we spell Agenda?) [WWW.STOPNATO.
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - One third of New Yorkers favor establishing internment camps for individuals who authorities identify as being sympathetic to terrorist causes, according to a poll from the Siena College Research Institute. [Institute Director Douglas] Lonnstrom said he didn't know if those questioned equated the phrase sympathetic to terrorist causes to Arab-Americans. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--attacks-newyorkpo0924sep24.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
where's the chlorpromazine? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]
Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK - It must be said that by this, and by other lies and numberless other atrocities, Milosevic distinguished himself as an enemy of Islam. His national-socialist regime took the line on the towel-heads that the Bush Administration is only accused, by fools and knaves, of taking. Yet when a stand was eventually mounted against Milosevic, it was Noam Chomsky and Sam Husseini, among many others, who described the whole business as a bullying persecution of--the Serbs! I have no hesitation in describing this mentality, carefully and without heat, as soft on crime and soft on fascism. No political coalition is possible with such people and, I'm thankful to say, no political coalition with them is now necessary. It no longer matters what they think. http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=specials=hitchens20010924 - This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
