Re: [Apple-Crop] Newbie Orchardist questions Herbicide on First Year Plantings

[john]

Have used gramoxone for decades with pre-emergent no problemJohn


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 Original message From: Doug Nelson 
 Date: 5/10/17  9:56 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
Apple-Crop discussion list  Subject: 
[Apple-Crop] Newbie Orchardist questions Herbicide on First Year Plantings 
I have a new tall spindle orchard planted in an alfalfa field this spring.  I 
did not realize how much work it would be to mechanically weed the orchard. All 
the orchards I have visited have told me not to use herbicides for the first 
year on newly planted trees. There is a conventional nursery across the street 
that uses barrier on new trees. 
Does anyone have a herbicide they are using on new trees or stick to mechanical?

-- 
Doug NelsonPresidentNelson Multimedia Inc.

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Re: [Apple-Crop] NAD

[John Bruguiere]

Anyone out there had any experience(positive or negative) using Amid 
Thin(NAD) at petal fall to help thin Gala prior to 8MM (using 6-ba 
then)?  Mature trees, heavy bloom.


John Bruguiere


On 1/29/2017 10:27 PM, wincowg...@centurylink.net wrote:
Apple Croppers- Jon and I do try to keep a pretty hands off approach 
with regard to moderating this list.


We have only had to remove one person from the list in 24 years.

That being said, if you don't agree with someones post, there is the 
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I know many on this list may not always agree, but that is not 
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Certainly most of you that know Jon Clements and I, know we often do 
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This apple-crop list lasting 24 years is a tribute to that.

If someone has a real beef with a post or a person, please share you 
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On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Jon Clements <jon.cleme...@umass.edu 
<mailto:jon.cleme...@umass.edu>> wrote:


Yea, we try to be pretty hands-off with apple-crop, and I have gotten 
a little lost in the thread this afternoon, but please let's not let 
this get out of hand. Last thing I want to be is a moderator...


Thanks.

Jon

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Philion 
<vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca <mailto:vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca>> wrote:


You are missing the point. There is plenty of room for expressing
your political and religious views in other forums.

http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html
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“Discussion relating to all aspects of apple production from
cultivar selection, tree growth and performance, rootstock
development and testing to the development of sustainable
production systems is welcome.”

Vincent Philion, agr. M.Sc. IRDA.

“an environment that once again values and rewards the
entrepreneur”. Hopefully, there is room for the “environment” in
your environment!



Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:28, Kurt W. Alstede <k...@alstedefarms.com
<mailto:k...@alstedefarms.com>> a écrit :

Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers,
I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so
little tolerance these days for alternative view points. Yet, to
suggest that politics don’t influence our businesses and farms
would be not only a mistake but also a disservice to our goal of
helping and supporting one another who grow apples.  What I can
share with you with confidence as a full time family farm owner
in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama administration was
more difficult, more costly, and much more challenging than any
other time in my 35 years of farming.  I have seen a steady
increase in the direct costs associated with regulatory
compliance as well as the amount of management time that I and
my team spend simply making sure that our business can
operate….none of which helps us grow a better apple for our
customers.  We are only 10 days into the new administration and
I can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance
our family business to the next generation in an environment
that once again values and rewards the entrepreneur, hard work,
rural values, and the risk that we all take each year as
farmers.   I also look forward to a positive business
environment that will allow us to expand our farm, purchase and
preserve more farmland, employ more people, and stimulate the
local economy.
Simply stated….I am very excited!
Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless
the United States of America.
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Re: [Apple-Crop] sprayer calibration debate

[John Bruguiere]

thanks to all for helping with my calibration.

john


On 3/2/2017 10:19 AM, Jon Clements wrote:

You can look at the third item here to do exactly what you want I think:

http://fruitadvisor.info/tfruit/clements/trvcalculator.html

Jon

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 9:15 AM, John Bruguiere <j...@dickiebros.com 
<mailto:j...@dickiebros.com>> wrote:


Hello all, need some healthy practical advice on sprayer
calibration.  Specifically air blast sprayers. For decades we have
measured a block of trees to determine acreage, sprayed out tank
and determined gallons per acre based on what area was covered in
tank. For example trees planted at 8 x 18 spacing gave us 300
trees to acre, we sprayed out tank, counted trees and determined
that our sprayer puts out 2.5 acres per tank.  we used this  to
determine amount of material to put in the tank etc. All the
calibration formulas , I have seen require tree row volume(height
x row spacing) to be part of equation.  I have 4-5 different
spacings in 100 acres of orchard which makes it more of a headache
to constantly figure gallons per acre and spray materials needed
in each different block(thus the reason we simply measured trees
per acre). I know my speed , i know my gallons per minute but
can't find an equation that converts this to gallons per acre
without tree row volume.

need a simple but effective solution...any takers?

in Virginia we have plums in full bloom, fantasia and red gold
nectarines in pink and some open blooms, 21 degrees forecasted on
friday and saturday night.

God Bless,

John Bruguiere

Dickie Bros. Orchard


On 1/30/2017 6:36 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote:

I agree Mo.  We try and remove trees every year and plant every
year.  I did use the word can to hedge the productive life of a
block.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:48 PM, maurice tougas
<appleman.maur...@gmail.com <mailto:appleman.maur...@gmail.com>>
wrote:


Art

I agree that it's great to be out pruning. I disagree that you
should expect a longer productive life with high density
systems. My goal here is to be looking at replanting when the
orchard reaches twenty years or so. New varieties, strains of
varieties and improved planting system encourage 5% renewal in
my opinion.

My best to you
Mo Tougas

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM, George Greene
<cortla...@icloud.com <mailto:cortla...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Art:

Your comment makes sense to me.  Right now I have a cold and
I fell on the ice on Dec. 29th and I am still suffering.  Pt
may help but it may take a while.

I suppose that you are enjoying the warmer weather.

Be well, George


On Jan 30, 2017, at 12:43 PM, kellyorchards
<kellyorcha...@gmail.com <mailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Ruminations after a morning pruning.  The weather is
ideal.  The temps are in the high 20's, the wind is light
and the sun is shining.  Weather like this is why we live
here. Permanent limbs ultimately and inevitably get too
large.  This is why high density systems can have a longer
productive life than less dense orchards.




Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Maine
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